Jimbino: Our national parks and forests are de-facto racist White Country Clubs financed by our deprived minorities.

That’s (I think) satire, but see:
cnn.com/2009/TRAVEL/09/02/national.parks.minorities/index.html
fs.fed.us/demographics/s4_pp5.htm

And many more. You can buy a yearly pass for $80 good for all NPs and similar; perhaps they could offer half price to someone based on their race.

Meanwhile, it would be great if this site could concentrate on things like the possibility that some or all of the workers were here illegally, and the DOL doesn’t care when caring about things like that could reduce the abuses they complain about.

I had no idea there was a movie about such an incident.

in mediaeval Western Europe criminal prosecution of animals actually did take place from time to time?

That’s the basis for The Hour of the Pig (a.k.a. the Advocate)—one good lawyerin’ movie.

The hanging of Mary the Elephant wasn’t at all the same as the mediaeval cases I am talking about. In those cases, criminal charges were brought by the proper authorities andthe animal was tried in accordance with the procedures of the time and sentenced in accordance with the law. Mary the Elephant was lynched!

If trees don’t have standing, they are timber.

But if a tree falls and no one is there to hear it, it is hearsay.

…because it is very obviously and clearly just a trick to be able to steal the money without due process. Its a lawyer’s lie to allow the sort of behavior that the constitution was specifically set about to stop. The judges will rule that habeas only applies to people, which is obvious… but will still allow the lawsuit to be brought against the money.

Making tax law a civil matter is also a way around a lot of protections in the constitution, and allows government to install fines ex-post facto as taxes can be imposed expost facto. This also violates all sorts of other protections we have, such as due process for criminal matters. By making tax law a civil matter, the burden of proof is much lower than in a criminal case, but the fine can still be substantial. The state can then impose “taxes” that are really fines. One example of the “tax” on not having approved health insurance that the congress is proposing, right now is an example of this sort of behavior, and I don’t really see a way around this problem. Another set of examples is the 100% tax on expired gift card/account balances and the huge tax on bonuses paid in the financial industry.

Simply put we need to find a better way to deal with taxes and with civil trials that the government initiates.

If the suit is successful, I can see their practice really branching out.

Couldn’t be that those persons of color or ethnicity have other interests and/or priorities on which to spend their time and/or money.

Well, appearantly all hispanics in national parks are drug smugglers.

Jimbino says:
Our national parks and forests are de-facto racist White Country Clubs financed by our deprived minorities.

The entrances to these parks are obviously patrolled by white supremacist park rangers in hoods, with orders to shoot to kill if they as much as see a person of color or ethnicity within half a mile who is not “laboring” for the white man.

Couldn’t be that those persons of color or ethnicity have other interests and/or priorities on which to spend their time and/or money. Maybe we should have some Democratic congresscritter propose a new “Federal Park Access Reform”, wherein minorities underrepresented as “guests” would be forced to attend. Hey, we could even levy a tax penalty on the ones who refused.

The last time I was in Mesa Verde, for instance, there were no persons of these minorities, as far as I could easily tell, among 250 wandering among the ruins. And this smack dab in Indian and Mexican country! At Great Sand Dunes there were no American minorities among 35 guests that day, but I did see a van full of Japanese men.

Our national parks and forests are de-facto racist White Country Clubs financed by our deprived minorities.

Of course, Norse myth tells us how the first humans were created by divinely inspiring trees. So maybe there is something to this…. ;-)

…This included Wawona’s operations manager subjecting Latino employees to a higher standard of work performance;…

Expecting more from wise Latinos, eh?