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		<title>By: Ryan Waxx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Waxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-671361&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-671361&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;jccamp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: I’m trying to envision someone making this exact speech at, say, the Academy Awards…

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<p><strong><a href="#comment-671361" rel="nofollow">jccamp</a></strong>: I’m trying to envision someone making this exact speech at, say, the Academy Awards…</p>
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		<title>By: Blargh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blargh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 03:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little more &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thomasbernhard.org/cousineautbintro.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;context&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;In the same year the awarding of the Austrian National Prize was the occasion for Bernhard&#039;s giving an acceptance speech that provoked the first of the many public controversies that were to follow both himself and his work throughout his life. In it, he declared that &quot;The state is a structure permanently condemned to failure, the populace is a structure incessantly condemned to infamy and to spiritual weakness. Life is despair to which philosophies look for support, philosophies in which everything is, finally, pledged to insanity&quot; (qtd. in Porcell 43-44). Bernhard&#039;s own account of this awards ceremony, which appears in &lt;em&gt;Wittgenstein&#039;s Nephew&lt;/em&gt;, is as amusing as it is implausible: &quot;The encomium delivered by the minister in the audience chamber of the ministry was utter nonsense, because he merely read out from a sheet of paper what had been written down for him by one of his officials charged with literary affairs. He said, for instance, that I had written a novel about the south seas, which of course I had not. And although I have been an Austrian all my life, the minister stated that I was Dutch. He also stated that I specialized in adventure novels, though this was news to me. More than once during his encomium he said that I was a foreigner, a visitor to Austria&quot; (70)&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little more <a href="http://www.thomasbernhard.org/cousineautbintro.shtml" rel="nofollow">context</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>In the same year the awarding of the Austrian National Prize was the occasion for Bernhard&#8217;s giving an acceptance speech that provoked the first of the many public controversies that were to follow both himself and his work throughout his life. In it, he declared that &#8220;The state is a structure permanently condemned to failure, the populace is a structure incessantly condemned to infamy and to spiritual weakness. Life is despair to which philosophies look for support, philosophies in which everything is, finally, pledged to insanity&#8221; (qtd. in Porcell 43-44). Bernhard&#8217;s own account of this awards ceremony, which appears in <em>Wittgenstein&#8217;s Nephew</em>, is as amusing as it is implausible: &#8220;The encomium delivered by the minister in the audience chamber of the ministry was utter nonsense, because he merely read out from a sheet of paper what had been written down for him by one of his officials charged with literary affairs. He said, for instance, that I had written a novel about the south seas, which of course I had not. And although I have been an Austrian all my life, the minister stated that I was Dutch. He also stated that I specialized in adventure novels, though this was news to me. More than once during his encomium he said that I was a foreigner, a visitor to Austria&#8221; (70)</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Blargh</title>
		<link>http://volokh.com/2009/10/12/bernhard-on-prizes/comment-page-1/#comment-671895</link>
		<dc:creator>Blargh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I don’t see any semblance of a rational argument in the quote.&lt;/em&gt;

It&#039;s not meant to be a rational argument.

Also, while it&#039;s a quote from a fictional character, it probably accurately reflected Bernhard&#039;s views.  It can&#039;t be understood without reference to Bernhard&#039;s political beliefs and love/hate relationship to his home country of Austria.  By the way, Bernhard actually did say something similar to this when he won Austria&#039;s top literary prize, along the lines of &quot;[thanks, but] everything is ridiculous when one thinks of death.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I don’t see any semblance of a rational argument in the quote.</em></p>
<p>It&#8217;s not meant to be a rational argument.</p>
<p>Also, while it&#8217;s a quote from a fictional character, it probably accurately reflected Bernhard&#8217;s views.  It can&#8217;t be understood without reference to Bernhard&#8217;s political beliefs and love/hate relationship to his home country of Austria.  By the way, Bernhard actually did say something similar to this when he won Austria&#8217;s top literary prize, along the lines of &#8220;[thanks, but] everything is ridiculous when one thinks of death.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see any semblance of a rational argument in the quote.

Awards serve an important social function:  they tell us who to esteem.  They are one among many credentials we use to facilitate this function, including for example titles and diplomas.  Their value lies in their efficiency:  knowing the credentials of an individual helps me decide to what extent I should trust him, sparing me the labor of performing a full investigation into his past.  Because people like esteem, awards motivate those who seek prominence.    

Now it is true that some people/groups attempt to hijack this utility, because it doesn&#039;t cost much to hand over a plaque but at the same time this could in principle convey a valuable credential.  This is not unlike obtaining a diploma from a degree mill.  

This is why I think a monetary prize is an important component of an award.  Monetary prizes, of course, cost money.  This constrains the awarders ability to award prizes, and presumably the awarders respond by giving more care to their selections.  The incentive of the awarders, presumably, is to elevate their own status, by affiliation with the successful award winners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see any semblance of a rational argument in the quote.</p>
<p>Awards serve an important social function:  they tell us who to esteem.  They are one among many credentials we use to facilitate this function, including for example titles and diplomas.  Their value lies in their efficiency:  knowing the credentials of an individual helps me decide to what extent I should trust him, sparing me the labor of performing a full investigation into his past.  Because people like esteem, awards motivate those who seek prominence.    </p>
<p>Now it is true that some people/groups attempt to hijack this utility, because it doesn&#8217;t cost much to hand over a plaque but at the same time this could in principle convey a valuable credential.  This is not unlike obtaining a diploma from a degree mill.  </p>
<p>This is why I think a monetary prize is an important component of an award.  Monetary prizes, of course, cost money.  This constrains the awarders ability to award prizes, and presumably the awarders respond by giving more care to their selections.  The incentive of the awarders, presumably, is to elevate their own status, by affiliation with the successful award winners.</p>
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		<title>By: Snaphappy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snaphappy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Widemerpool has it.  Which would be worse?

a) Another Holocaust
b) Another Hurricane Katrina
c) Another World War
d) Another MTV Music Awards ceremony</description>
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<p>a) Another Holocaust<br />
b) Another Hurricane Katrina<br />
c) Another World War<br />
d) Another MTV Music Awards ceremony</p>
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		<title>By: Widmerpool</title>
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		<dc:creator>Widmerpool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the brilliance starts right away in the first sentence:  &quot;there is nothing in the world more intolerable than award ceremonies.&quot;  What is that I see slouching towards Stockholm?  What rough beast, its hour come at last, shuffling to the podium?  The horror, the horror.

Sometimes hyperbole is justified--and sometimes it&#039;s just silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the brilliance starts right away in the first sentence:  &#8220;there is nothing in the world more intolerable than award ceremonies.&#8221;  What is that I see slouching towards Stockholm?  What rough beast, its hour come at last, shuffling to the podium?  The horror, the horror.</p>
<p>Sometimes hyperbole is justified&#8211;and sometimes it&#8217;s just silly.</p>
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		<title>By: Pendulum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pendulum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a brilliant man he was. Just a brilliant thinker.</description>
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		<title>By: PeteP</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeteP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Norwegians would like to give ME a million dollars for doing absolutely nothing, I&#039;d LET them piss on me.  Quite literally.  

$ 1,000,000 buys a whole lot of &#039;getting over it&#039; time :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Norwegians would like to give ME a million dollars for doing absolutely nothing, I&#8217;d LET them piss on me.  Quite literally.  </p>
<p>$ 1,000,000 buys a whole lot of &#8216;getting over it&#8217; time :-)</p>
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		<title>By: yao</title>
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		<dc:creator>yao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 04:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this &quot;Bernhard on Prizes&quot; or &quot;Bernhard&#039;s Fictional Character on Prizes&quot;?  I&#039;d be a little more careful in distinguishing an author&#039;s voice from speeches uttered in a work of fiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this &#8220;Bernhard on Prizes&#8221; or &#8220;Bernhard&#8217;s Fictional Character on Prizes&#8221;?  I&#8217;d be a little more careful in distinguishing an author&#8217;s voice from speeches uttered in a work of fiction.</p>
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		<title>By: LarryA</title>
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		<dc:creator>LarryA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Define &quot;award.&quot;

Somehow working my buns off for several years and finally earning my Eagle Scout badge doesn&#039;t fit this category.

Neither do the National Federation of Press Women communications awards my wife and I have won over the years, judged by our peers.

Of course there&#039;s no cash attached to either of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Define &#8220;award.&#8221;</p>
<p>Somehow working my buns off for several years and finally earning my Eagle Scout badge doesn&#8217;t fit this category.</p>
<p>Neither do the National Federation of Press Women communications awards my wife and I have won over the years, judged by our peers.</p>
<p>Of course there&#8217;s no cash attached to either of them.</p>
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		<title>By: fnook</title>
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		<dc:creator>fnook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting that quote. Didn&#039;t read your original post but that is some beautiful prose. I turn 40 shortly so I guess my time for accepting cash enhanced awards is over, unless of course I&#039;m comfortable with vileness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting that quote. Didn&#8217;t read your original post but that is some beautiful prose. I turn 40 shortly so I guess my time for accepting cash enhanced awards is over, unless of course I&#8217;m comfortable with vileness.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Hardy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Hardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got some while working for government. It was a little embarrassing, in front of your peers and all (who&#039;d done no less than you), but everyone recognized you hadn&#039;t written up the commendation and were going thru it for the filthy lucre attached. It would have been easier if they&#039;d recognized that we were a mercenary bunch and just thrown us the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got some while working for government. It was a little embarrassing, in front of your peers and all (who&#8217;d done no less than you), but everyone recognized you hadn&#8217;t written up the commendation and were going thru it for the filthy lucre attached. It would have been easier if they&#8217;d recognized that we were a mercenary bunch and just thrown us the money.</p>
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		<title>By: road2serfdom</title>
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		<dc:creator>road2serfdom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 02:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did they tell you it was raining?</description>
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		<title>By: corneille1640</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
For a prize is always awarded by incompetents who want to piss on the recipient.
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I disagree.  I recently won a prize at my workplace, and it was given by very talented people while I was the incompetent one.  No p***ing was involved.</description>
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For a prize is always awarded by incompetents who want to piss on the recipient.
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<p>I disagree.  I recently won a prize at my workplace, and it was given by very talented people while I was the incompetent one.  No p***ing was involved.</p>
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		<title>By: jccamp</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m trying to envision someone making this exact speech at, say, the Academy Awards...</description>
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		<title>By: SMatthewStolte</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although this quote packs a punch, I find it difficult to take such an attitude seriously.

Ingratitude is an hateful thing, even among those whose list of thanksgivings is far shorter than my own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although this quote packs a punch, I find it difficult to take such an attitude seriously.</p>
<p>Ingratitude is an hateful thing, even among those whose list of thanksgivings is far shorter than my own.</p>
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		<title>By: PatHMV</title>
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		<dc:creator>PatHMV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve received a few awards that I would toss into this category. They are most often made by people who want something from you -- money, time, patronage, favors -- or by people trying to reward you for providing those things at some point in the past (often a combination of the two). While the latter feels rather better than the former, it&#039;s really just a matter of determining when payment is due. A prostitute is still a prostitute, whether she gets paid up front or after services are rendered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve received a few awards that I would toss into this category. They are most often made by people who want something from you &#8212; money, time, patronage, favors &#8212; or by people trying to reward you for providing those things at some point in the past (often a combination of the two). While the latter feels rather better than the former, it&#8217;s really just a matter of determining when payment is due. A prostitute is still a prostitute, whether she gets paid up front or after services are rendered.</p>
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		<title>By: Plufyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plufyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was this written by someone who was close to winning a Nobel Prize, but then never got it?</description>
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