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		<title>By: Don Franzen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Franzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 17:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Professor is right as far as copyright law goes, but the cases have recognized a right to a credit for a songwriter whose name was ommited from an album and sheet music as a Trademark Law (Lanham Act) violation.  See Lamothe v. Atlatnic Records 847 F.2d 1403 (9th. Cir. 1985).  So Anka has the law on his side as to the credit issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Professor is right as far as copyright law goes, but the cases have recognized a right to a credit for a songwriter whose name was ommited from an album and sheet music as a Trademark Law (Lanham Act) violation.  See Lamothe v. Atlatnic Records 847 F.2d 1403 (9th. Cir. 1985).  So Anka has the law on his side as to the credit issue.</p>
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		<title>By: RodW</title>
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		<dc:creator>RodW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm.  I can see why one might not need to attribute authorship &lt;em&gt;at all&lt;/em&gt; -- a radio station may not identify the artist, much less the writer, of every song it plays -- but that&#039;s not the same thing as falsely or incompletely attributing authorship, by saying &quot;Michael&quot; rather that &quot;Michael and Paul&quot;.  It seems to me a lawyer with half a brain can find a plausible cause of action here without asserting a right to attribution of authorship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm.  I can see why one might not need to attribute authorship <em>at all</em> &#8212; a radio station may not identify the artist, much less the writer, of every song it plays &#8212; but that&#8217;s not the same thing as falsely or incompletely attributing authorship, by saying &#8220;Michael&#8221; rather that &#8220;Michael and Paul&#8221;.  It seems to me a lawyer with half a brain can find a plausible cause of action here without asserting a right to attribution of authorship.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Schilling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Schilling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The consensus, if I&#039;m following, is this:  If David and I wrote a song together, I could change two words in it and re-issue it as my own work, and so long as I give David half the publishing, he has no recourse.  I knew this stuff was unintuitive, but my sweet Lord!  I&#039;ll have to tell the old man down the road about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The consensus, if I&#8217;m following, is this:  If David and I wrote a song together, I could change two words in it and re-issue it as my own work, and so long as I give David half the publishing, he has no recourse.  I knew this stuff was unintuitive, but my sweet Lord!  I&#8217;ll have to tell the old man down the road about this.</p>
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		<title>By: mariner</title>
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		<dc:creator>mariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If your students are foolish enough to troll on your blog, I hope they are rewarded accordingly.

(OTOH if they&#039;re smart enough to lurk here ...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your students are foolish enough to troll on your blog, I hope they are rewarded accordingly.</p>
<p>(OTOH if they&#8217;re smart enough to lurk here &#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Teh Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teh Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Attribution is not legally required?  Ah ha, now I know why sometimes the copyright pages of books contain a notice about the author&#039;s moral right to be identified as the creator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attribution is not legally required?  Ah ha, now I know why sometimes the copyright pages of books contain a notice about the author&#8217;s moral right to be identified as the creator.</p>
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		<title>By: epeeist</title>
		<link>http://volokh.com/2009/10/18/copyright-kerfuffle/comment-page-1/#comment-674437</link>
		<dc:creator>epeeist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Others have noted that there could be issues in other countries (e.g. maplestar, attributon in Canada) even if not in the U.S.

Also, as I think has been alluded to but without details, Anka and Jackson may well have had a contractual arrangement from their joint songwriting that modified the minimum obligations under copyright (e.g. that required attribution or consent of both or whatever).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Others have noted that there could be issues in other countries (e.g. maplestar, attributon in Canada) even if not in the U.S.</p>
<p>Also, as I think has been alluded to but without details, Anka and Jackson may well have had a contractual arrangement from their joint songwriting that modified the minimum obligations under copyright (e.g. that required attribution or consent of both or whatever).</p>
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		<title>By: maplestar</title>
		<link>http://volokh.com/2009/10/18/copyright-kerfuffle/comment-page-1/#comment-674412</link>
		<dc:creator>maplestar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As others have mentioned, the quote: &quot;copyright owners do not (with some exceptions not relevant here) have the right to insist on “attribution” of authorship&quot; only works if one limits the discussion to United States copyright law.

In Canada, subsection 14.1(1) of the Copyright Act reads (in part) &quot;The author of a work has...the right, where reasonable in the circumstances, to be associated with the work as its author by name....&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As others have mentioned, the quote: &#8220;copyright owners do not (with some exceptions not relevant here) have the right to insist on “attribution” of authorship&#8221; only works if one limits the discussion to United States copyright law.</p>
<p>In Canada, subsection 14.1(1) of the Copyright Act reads (in part) &#8220;The author of a work has&#8230;the right, where reasonable in the circumstances, to be associated with the work as its author by name&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention The Volokh Conspiracy » Blog Archive » Copyright Kerfuffle: -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention The Volokh Conspiracy » Blog Archive » Copyright Kerfuffle: -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Peter Black, MJ. MJ said: The Volokh Conspiracy » Blog Archive » Copyright Kerfuffle: http://bit.ly/14A3um [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ben Sheffner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Sheffner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 01:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prof. Post:

Isn&#039;t the reason Anka was complaining was that, until he spoke up, the Jackson estate was proceeding as though Jackson was the 100% owner of the composition &quot;This is it&quot;? Until Anka went public with his claim about &quot;I never Heard,&quot; the estate did not acknowledge that Anka was a joint author, and presumably intended to keep all of the &quot;This is it&quot; publishing revenue. You are, of course, correct that if Jackson and Anka were joint authors, either one of them (or their successors) has the right to issue licenses, with only the obligation to account to each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prof. Post:</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t the reason Anka was complaining was that, until he spoke up, the Jackson estate was proceeding as though Jackson was the 100% owner of the composition &#8220;This is it&#8221;? Until Anka went public with his claim about &#8220;I never Heard,&#8221; the estate did not acknowledge that Anka was a joint author, and presumably intended to keep all of the &#8220;This is it&#8221; publishing revenue. You are, of course, correct that if Jackson and Anka were joint authors, either one of them (or their successors) has the right to issue licenses, with only the obligation to account to each other.</p>
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		<title>By: wm13</title>
		<link>http://volokh.com/2009/10/18/copyright-kerfuffle/comment-page-1/#comment-674278</link>
		<dc:creator>wm13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 01:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that the law of real property would be the same as the law of copyright here.  Each tenant in common is seised of the entire property and, I believe, might grant licenses to whomever he pleases, though he must account to his co-tenant for the profits.  In fact, a co-tenant might lease the premises, although a lease which is subject to the rights of the other co-tenant may not be that marketable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that the law of real property would be the same as the law of copyright here.  Each tenant in common is seised of the entire property and, I believe, might grant licenses to whomever he pleases, though he must account to his co-tenant for the profits.  In fact, a co-tenant might lease the premises, although a lease which is subject to the rights of the other co-tenant may not be that marketable.</p>
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		<title>By: SuperSkeptic</title>
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		<dc:creator>SuperSkeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 01:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you all are correct on this attribution matter, the law might want to think about changing itself because getting credit for something you did (money aside) seems pretty important - particularly in the arts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you all are correct on this attribution matter, the law might want to think about changing itself because getting credit for something you did (money aside) seems pretty important &#8211; particularly in the arts.</p>
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		<title>By: byomtov</title>
		<link>http://volokh.com/2009/10/18/copyright-kerfuffle/comment-page-1/#comment-674265</link>
		<dc:creator>byomtov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 01:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; The co-author of a work is, of course, morally entitled to attribution, no matter what the law might happen to say. And people are not required to conform their moral sentiments to the law. He was perfectly justified in being pissed off about the lack of attribution.&lt;/i&gt;

What&#039;s this?? I agree with Brett. Amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> The co-author of a work is, of course, morally entitled to attribution, no matter what the law might happen to say. And people are not required to conform their moral sentiments to the law. He was perfectly justified in being pissed off about the lack of attribution.</i></p>
<p>What&#8217;s this?? I agree with Brett. Amazing.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk Parker</title>
		<link>http://volokh.com/2009/10/18/copyright-kerfuffle/comment-page-1/#comment-674254</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 01:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;So the whole thing was pretty strange – he was getting everything he was entitled to under the law, and not getting something he wanted but which he was not entitled to.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Someone from the entertainment industry &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/15851/detail/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;behaving strangely&lt;/a&gt;?  &lt;i&gt;Quelle surprise&lt;/i&gt;!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>So the whole thing was pretty strange – he was getting everything he was entitled to under the law, and not getting something he wanted but which he was not entitled to.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Someone from the entertainment industry <a href="http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/15851/detail/" rel="nofollow">behaving strangely</a>?  <i>Quelle surprise</i>!!</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Bellmore</title>
		<link>http://volokh.com/2009/10/18/copyright-kerfuffle/comment-page-1/#comment-674230</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Bellmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 00:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So the whole thing was pretty strange – he was getting everything he was entitled to under the law, and not getting something he wanted but which he was not entitled to.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s not all that strange once you realize the operative phrase is, &quot;entitled to &lt;i&gt;under the law&lt;/i&gt;&quot;, not, &quot;entitled to&quot;. The co-author of a work is, of course, &lt;i&gt;morally&lt;/i&gt; entitled to attribution, no matter what the law might happen to say. And people are not required to conform their moral sentiments to the law. He was perfectly justified in being pissed off about the lack of attribution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So the whole thing was pretty strange – he was getting everything he was entitled to under the law, and not getting something he wanted but which he was not entitled to.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s not all that strange once you realize the operative phrase is, &#8220;entitled to <i>under the law</i>&#8220;, not, &#8220;entitled to&#8221;. The co-author of a work is, of course, <i>morally</i> entitled to attribution, no matter what the law might happen to say. And people are not required to conform their moral sentiments to the law. He was perfectly justified in being pissed off about the lack of attribution.</p>
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		<title>By: Dom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 00:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the explanation, Sean M.</description>
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		<title>By: Can't find a good name</title>
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		<dc:creator>Can't find a good name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 00:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My understanding is that the people associated with the Jackson estate who prepared the &quot;This Is It&quot; track for release (adding instrumentation and backup vocals) did not even realize that the track was a version of &quot;I Never Heard&quot; and that Anka was the co-writer of it (or, for that matter, that a female singer known as Sa-Fire had released the song as an album track almost 20 years ago).

Thus, if nobody had spoken up, all of the songwriter&#039;s royalties would have been paid to the Jackson estate, rather than 50% to the Jackson estate and 50% to Anka.

I can&#039;t help but wonder how careful the Jackson estate was about reviewing the tapes Jackson left behind. Michael Jackson wrote many songs, but he also recorded many songs by other songwriters. The fact that he made a tape of himself singing an otherwise unknown song does not necessarily mean that he wrote the song.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding is that the people associated with the Jackson estate who prepared the &#8220;This Is It&#8221; track for release (adding instrumentation and backup vocals) did not even realize that the track was a version of &#8220;I Never Heard&#8221; and that Anka was the co-writer of it (or, for that matter, that a female singer known as Sa-Fire had released the song as an album track almost 20 years ago).</p>
<p>Thus, if nobody had spoken up, all of the songwriter&#8217;s royalties would have been paid to the Jackson estate, rather than 50% to the Jackson estate and 50% to Anka.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help but wonder how careful the Jackson estate was about reviewing the tapes Jackson left behind. Michael Jackson wrote many songs, but he also recorded many songs by other songwriters. The fact that he made a tape of himself singing an otherwise unknown song does not necessarily mean that he wrote the song.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dom,

The short answer to your answer is that the law of jointly owned copyrights just doesn&#039;t work like that.  As case law has developed, the scope of that right means that each owner may grant a non-exclusive license to the work to others without the permission of the other co-owner, though the licensing co-owner is entitled to an accounting of profits where he will receive 50% of all of the money earned from the licensing agreement.

So in your example, the exclusive license to the company you own WOULD require the consent of the co-author, but not a non-exclusive license at the same rate.  This is a risk of being a co-author.  If your other author makes bad business deals, you&#039;re stuck with it.  Choose your co-authors wisely or modify the standard rules of joint authorship by contract.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dom,</p>
<p>The short answer to your answer is that the law of jointly owned copyrights just doesn&#8217;t work like that.  As case law has developed, the scope of that right means that each owner may grant a non-exclusive license to the work to others without the permission of the other co-owner, though the licensing co-owner is entitled to an accounting of profits where he will receive 50% of all of the money earned from the licensing agreement.</p>
<p>So in your example, the exclusive license to the company you own WOULD require the consent of the co-author, but not a non-exclusive license at the same rate.  This is a risk of being a co-author.  If your other author makes bad business deals, you&#8217;re stuck with it.  Choose your co-authors wisely or modify the standard rules of joint authorship by contract.</p>
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		<title>By: Orin Kerr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Orin Kerr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the other hand, complaining about not getting attribution did trigger a lot of news stories, effectively and inexpensively giving him attribution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand, complaining about not getting attribution did trigger a lot of news stories, effectively and inexpensively giving him attribution.</p>
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		<title>By: Dom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Jackson’s estate, as co-owner of the copyright, is perfectly within its rights to license the distribution of the song, with or without Anka’s permission or even his knowledge – that’s what copyright co-ownership entitles you to.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It does!? That is quite surprising. Wouldn&#039;t both 50%-each co-owners need to sign off on any license, just like selling or renting out a co-owned piece of real estate? If not, let&#039;s say that you and I co-write a song. What stops me from licensing it to myself exclusively—or to a company I wholly own—for 1¢ per zillion copies distributed?

I know there are statutory compulsory licenses, where you can record anyone else&#039;s song for something like 9.1¢ per copy manufactured, but in that case the co-ownership seems irrelevant. Maybe this is where the issue of songwriting credit comes in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Jackson’s estate, as co-owner of the copyright, is perfectly within its rights to license the distribution of the song, with or without Anka’s permission or even his knowledge – that’s what copyright co-ownership entitles you to.</p></blockquote>
<p>It does!? That is quite surprising. Wouldn&#8217;t both 50%-each co-owners need to sign off on any license, just like selling or renting out a co-owned piece of real estate? If not, let&#8217;s say that you and I co-write a song. What stops me from licensing it to myself exclusively—or to a company I wholly own—for 1¢ per zillion copies distributed?</p>
<p>I know there are statutory compulsory licenses, where you can record anyone else&#8217;s song for something like 9.1¢ per copy manufactured, but in that case the co-ownership seems irrelevant. Maybe this is where the issue of songwriting credit comes in?</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisTS</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisTS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 22:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul Anka and Michael Jackson lived at the same time?</description>
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		<title>By: Mark N.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 22:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They might have a problem if they intend to release the single internationally, though, since many countries &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; recognize a right of attribution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They might have a problem if they intend to release the single internationally, though, since many countries <i>do</i> recognize a right of attribution.</p>
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