How do these hazards compare to alcohol abuse?

Carcinogenic smoke: Most heavy drinkers smoke far more tobacco than anyone smokes MJ.

Memory loss: Get drunk once, and you kill some brain cells and possibly forget the whole evening. Continue drinking heavily and you won’t be able to remember much besides where you stashed the next bottle. I don’t know how MJ compares to that, but old winos generally look far more dysfunctional than old hippies…

Schizophrenia: Ever hear of alcoholic psychosis? Continuous heavy use of most any drug will seriously mess you up – and that includes all prescription drugs. OTOH, anyone who chooses to obliterate the real world on a continuing basis wasn’t mentally healthy to begin with.

And one final difference: A quart of 80 proof liquor has more than enough alcohol to kill you. Every year several frat boys will prove it. The lethal dose of marijuana is too high to measure.

The issue should not be whether MJ is more effective as a medication than various pharmaceuticals – it’s why a substance that is safer than aspirin and cheaper than prescription drugs is banned out of fear that someone might enjoy their medicine.

So Largo,

You poor little thing, are you really so totally & completely clueless you actually compare what you wrote with my using caps on various words?

Oh, but I do compare them. What I wrote was far less legible than what you wrote. By orders of magnitude. Do you not agree? In fact, that is why I rarely, VERY rarely, write that way.

bUT wHY tHE cONDESCENCION?

Respectfully,
L.

The odds of you having any brain cells for pot to kill is so miniscule you should not worry about it.

You poor little thing, are you really so totally & completely clueless you actually compare what you wrote with my using caps on various words?

Well child, I have been doing this for for over the ten years I have been netting. And I send the things I write to OVER 400 people.

MOST of these people have been receiving what I send for over eight years. Not only can they have me drop them from my lists at any time, NONE, not one of them have complained about it at all.

Of course, I am very sure all of them are MANY MANY TIMES more intelligent than you are.

Does your poor mommie have to help you put your clothes on and feed you? Do you eat retard pills or are you the way you are naturally from birth ?

Ta Ta Child, please don’t spill on your bib.

If some people CHOOSE to let their hang up on Caps get in the way of, to interfere with their comprehension skills in relationship to the content of the message, so be it. It IS their problem.

This IS the way in which I choose to communicate.

sOME pEOPLE choose tO gET hUNG uP oN nONSTANDARD uSE oF cASE. iF tHEY fIND iT iNTERFERES wITH tHE rATE oF tHEIR rEADING (iN wORDS pER mINUTE)–bUT dON’T cONSIDER tHE eXTRA eFFORT tO bE wORTH tHEIR tIME (cOMPARED tO tHE wORTH oF wHAT i hAVE tO sAY)–sO bE iT. iT is tHEIR pROBLEM.

tHIS is tHE wAY iN wHICH i (sOMETIMES) cHOOSE tO cOMMUNICATE.

rESPECTFULLY,
lARGO

Active Ingredient in Marijuana Kills Brain Cancer Cells.

This just in: Marijuana Kills Brain Cells!

Ryan Waxx

The real problem here is that some people have defective skepticism when it comes to claims that they WANT to believe.

Your claim: there are no unique properties of cannabinoids.

Steve Kubby has survived adrenal cancer long beyond the limits predicted by the prognosis for this disease. The doctor (a specialist in the illness) who treated him in the first years of his illness: “In some amazing fashion, this medication [marijuana] has not only controlled the symptoms of the pheochromocytoma, but in my view, has arrested its growth.”

Active Ingredient in Marijuana Kills Brain Cancer Cells. There’s a known mechanism for THC causing cancer cell death; this property probably explains why marijuana smokers don’t suffer from abnormal rates of lung cancer.

The third-party experts quoted in the article are still skeptical about results from smoking marijuana as a treatment for cancer; OTOH, their opinions do not result from the findings of clinical trials :->.

The real problem here is that some people have defective skepticism when it comes to claims that they WANT to believe.

And some people have “defective skepticism” (skepticism in excess) when confronted with claims that they DON’T want to believe.

“HE did not care you could TEST IT”

So SORRY!!!

I hope you can figure out what my various mis communications mean.

Thank you for your information.

I’ve living for nearly 75 years and I mostly do not follow any rules I am not in full agreement with. Doing so is for the SHEEP of the world. I have also been “internetting ” for over 10 years and I am well aware of the supposed rules.

ONLY I do NOT consider some, to many words here & there to be shouting. That said, I do consider entire e-mail s and/or perhaps entire paragraphs in caps to be shouting.

If some people CHOOSE to let their hang up on Caps get in the way of, to interfere with their comprehension skills in relationship to the content of the message, so be it. It IS their problem.

This IS the way in which I choose to communicate.

Again, THANK YOU for your input.

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OREN,

1. I am sorry you did not understand everything I posted AFTER “Because I
am not PC?” was NOT directed toward you in the least. (And I am at a loss why you did not understand it as the intent was clear.)

It WAS to ALL of those whose illogical arguments against marijuana being decriminalized due to some supposed lack of scientific studies or there are other ways to effectively treat what ever. These arguments have NOTHING to do with it and are mere smoke screens thrown up those who seem to have NO clue what the real issue is.

2. I note you did not inform me why you think I am such as ass. (I do admit to being a Grumpy Old Son Of a Beach and I am certainly far, far from being perfect.)

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As far as WAXX and his comments on
SOME people having “Defective Skepticism”

Yes, they do and, it is more than “SOME” it is MANY.

On the other hand, SOME people, like a famous Skeptic James Randi, let their Skepticism over ride the fact what they are being informed is not only true, there are MANY, MANY FACTS to back it.

I KNOW Randi as done so as he has done it to me when he reported he was unable to get of the flu he had. I was willing to spend over $40,00 of my social security money and send him a bottle of a immune boosting MIRACLE I have been drinking and/or using topically now for over twelve years.

(It’s a junior “miracle” when I, an Agnostic Atheist Activist calls anything a “miracle”.)

Rather than his taking the time to look at the FACTS concerning it, he just called it “Snake Oil” he did not care about ANY proof which could be provided or that it has been used to effectively treat all kinds of things for over 5,000 years.

I did not care you could TEST IT for it’s fantastic abilities by simply measuring your Blood Pressure and Cholesterol Levels, then drink two ounces of it a day for a month. Then measure those levels again and you WILL see an improvement

(Unless you are some kind of a freak of nature)

You can also test it by accidentally burning yourself. This was just after a friend had given me a bottle of it and had told me it works on both the insides and outside of our bodies. (As well as ALL birds, reptiles, mammals and animals)

So here I was with the same size burn on two adjacent fingers. So I sez to myself:

“Self, here is a perfect way to test it, put in on one burn and not on the other one and see what happens”

The burn I did not put it on continued to hurt and left a scar. The other burn did not, I also used it on a large grease burn on my leg with the same positive results.

I used it to cure a toe nail fungus which YEARS of doctor prescribed medicine had not, I have used it cure Athletes foot in HALF the time of other treatments.

I Do NOT have the normal aches & pains of aging I HAD 12 years ago. I do NOT suffer the muscle soreness & fatigue the days after playing beach Vball which I USED to. (I am soon 75 and still playing two person Beach V-ball)

I NO longer need to use “Bag Balm” to stop the cracking of the skin on the bottoms of my feet!
(One day on what we call a ‘double sock’ I found the sand to be 134% so it is no wonder the skin on the bottoms of our feet dry out.)

I’ve it used to cure bites, cuts and sunburns. It has improved my sleep and my dreams.

It VASTLY slowed the graying of my bead and hair, it reduced the amount of my hair loss.

At age 63, I USED to occasionally were eye glasses and I have NOT used them in the last 12 years. And On & On & On with the GREAT things it has done and is doing for me. Even after over 12 years, it STILL amazes me.

So while Skepticism is fine, it also has it’s limits.

And giggle giggle, Randi and all other close minded fools like him will just continue to suffer more than they need to while the multi-millions like me who drink it every day, do not.

(Test shows its over 70% as effective as Morphine in treating pain. Other research
show it boosts our immune system over 160%)

FYI I used to get the flu around once a year, I have NO flu in the last 12 years.

SO SUFFER, RANDI ‘et al’ SUFFER!

While I, DO NOT!

Bonze Saunders:
Steve Kubby.

I’ll see you one Steve Kubby and raise you five people who believe in Dianetics and three that swear by ear candling.

Hey, while we’re at it, how much you want to bet I can’t find a few who swear that Jesus healed them?

The real problem here is that some people have defective skepticism when it comes to claims that they WANT to believe. If these same sources claimed that believing in god had the same effects, I bet you’d be finding problems with their testimony in a hurry.

In internet etiquette, using capital letters is considered to be shouting, and is rude. Reading what you have typed has a similar effect as listening to someone who shouts word for emphasis in a sentence. As it is, your posts are abrasive to read because of the excess capitalization.

Eee PCs can be found for less than $300. Plus, they are tiny (9″ or 10″), so they have long battery life and are very portable. You don’t even need a USB mouse, the touchpad will do fine. Very cheap and easy way to be free from Web TV’s limitations. At a bare minimum, does your provider offer an attachment that allows for mouse as well as keyboard?

Italics and bold can also be accomplished with HTML. Use the following code, and replace the square brackets with angle brackets. You can also learn a bit of basic HTML for editing text at W3 Schools.

[strong]This text will be bold.[/strong]
[em]This text will be italicized.[/em]
[del]This text will be crossed out.[/del]
[a href="http://www.yoururl.com/"]This text acts as a link.[/a]

[blockquote]

This text will appear as a block quote.

[/blockquote]

In case, you have not figured it out, I LIKE CAPS! (Besides I do not know how to do those other things with my WebTV)

Nor do I take commands or abide by stupid rules. Doing so is for SHEEP!

Are YOU a sheep?

As far as my being an Ass.

WHY?

Because YOU can NOT handle the TRUTH?

Because I do NOT suffer fools much a all, supposedly intelligent fools and liars much less?

Because I am VERY Blunt, Honest and Truthful?

(The odds of meeting anyone who is MORE truthful than I am is ZERO!)

Because I KNOW what I am talking about?
(If I am wrong on ANY subject, PROVE IT!)

Because I say what I mean and mean what I say? Because I am not PC?

Next, what it seems those who post about scientific studies and how effective pot is for treating medical problems do NOT seem to get is:

A. Marijuana should have NEVER been made illegal in the first damn place!

B. It is ONLY illegal due to a Conspiracy, Money, Yellow Journalism, Racism, and Perjured testimony.

C. The AMA was AGAINST it being made illegal as they were already using it to treat medical problem and thought thy would discover more uses for it.

D. There are an estimated 400,000 in prison WHO SHOULD NOT BE THERE!

These people not only suffer for NO good reason, they could be out and working!

E. The COSTS we Taxpayers have to pay to keep them in prison is MILLIONS and MILLIONS A YEAR, EVERY YEAR!

F. Hemp USED to be used for MANY things Rope, Cloth, Paper and more. Now due to the STUPID laws it is restricted in use.

As I said before, ANYONE who smokes ANY type of tobacco and/or drinks ANY type of alcohol and still thinks pot should be illegal is a HYPOCRITE!

(And an ASSHOLE!)

Just why should others be able to enjoy tobacco and alcohol legally when POT is MANY, MANY, MANY times LESS bad for those who choose to use it?

THERE IS NO VALID REASON!

It should be legal and REASONABLY taxed!

my focus was not to say there are no benefits to pot whatsoever, rather that there were no unique benefits

Interesting. So you can’t use ibuprofen because naproxen does the same thing (and actually works by the same mechanism)? No oxycontin either because it’s not unique — oxycodone provides all the same benefits.

IOW, I have never heard the idea that a drug must have unique effect in order to be of medical utility. Certainly that’s not the policy of the FDA at the moment.

Ryan Waxx:

my focus was not to say there are no benefits to pot whatsoever, rather that there were no unique benefits

Steve Kubby.

Ryan Waxx: rather that there were no unique benefits… that each of the various things pot advocates claims it does, other drugs do them better

And this is based on which published scientific studies comparing the effectiveness of marijuana to other medicines across a broad cross-section of potential patients? The reason we have lots of different medicines available for any given ailment is that different medicines can affect a given individual differently. Doctors often have to change a patient’s prescription if the initial prescription (one that may well have been rigorously shown effective in clinical trials) does not work for the patient.

In any case… as I said earlier, even assuming that it does have any significant medical benefits(which it does not)

Again, based on which published studies? You seem to be missing the point. Member doctors of the AMA have decided there is a need for actual research into the potential medical benefits of marijuana. How many years of experience do you have treating AIDS and cancer patients?

My double posts are ACCIDENTS!

(And if you think otherwise, you are a world class retard!)

WAXX

It is your totally uninformed comments which are Foolish. They prove you have absolutely NO knowledge of the various medical conditions which marijuana has VERY EFFECTIVELY treated.

The FACTS are Marijuana HAS effectively treated various medical problems in MANY, MANY people in MANY countries and has done so for MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS

It seems the only thing which exceeds your infinite ignorance of the subject of use of marijuana to treat medical problems is your astronomical arrogance you have the slightest clue.

And I assure you child, you DO NOT!

Although, ascribing fictional positions to a person and then attacking the fictional position is such a commonplace here, I’m not sure there’s actually any such misunderstanding.

In any case… as I said earlier, even assuming that it does have any significant medical benefits(which it does not), the fact is that the effect of medical marijuana is that the prescription process is, as we speak, being corrupted to the point that people are going to demand some sort of controls being imposed, which are likely going to backlash on people who want REAL, ACTUAL pain medication instead of this… politically-driven psuedoscientific fantasy.

You want to get high, do it in an aboveboard fashion instead of turning doctors into dealers. It’s hard enough to get effective meds without you people practically writing the next 60 minutes expose of “pot docs”.

Ryan Waxx: The other obstacle, of course, is the inappropriateness of putting the word “medical” and “marijuana” in the same sentence.

And you know this because of which published scientific study on the medical effectiveness of marijuana?

53.Neil C. Reinhardt says:
OPPS SORRY!!!!

I did not realize part of my last post had posted before.

That is sooooo funny! Go ahead and post it again – you’ll probably enjoy it just as much as you did the first time.

Ryan Waxx

The transparent lie that pot is needed for it’s “medical” properties was exposed in the last thread on this subject. When challenged, some of the supporters claimed it had less side effects, some claimed superior pain-relieving effects, some claimed it wasn’t for pain… it was for inducing appetite. Still another person claimed that the smoking delivery was the important part, so that the cancer sufferer didn’t vomit out the “medicine”.

All a the above plus lotsnlots more, but acourse thas just what sick people gettin high say. Thas why “Doctor” Lester Grinspoon refers to it as a “miracle drug”: heez a librul, coz he seen his son eatin after chemo when his wife done slipped his son a joint without atellin him! So whas he gonna do? Call the police? NAW! “Oh that wuz MEDICINE!”

The DEAs been heroically preventin clinical trials ta stop this librul mennis afore librul “sinetists” make a mockery a farmacology by “substantiatin” these “anecdotal” claims with their preverted “double blind studies”!

An acourse, “DEA Chief Administrative Law Judge Francis L. Young wrote that cannabis in its natural form is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man” coz, dammit, heez a librul, not on accounta the lethal dose a smokin that weed is mehsured by tunnage per hour!

I ainna goin inta a loooong borin list a government commiessions (Indian Hemp Commiession, Shafer Commiession, LaGuardia Commiession, LeDain commiession) splainin that marijuana aint totally eeeevil because alla these commie-issions wuz infiltrated by libruls out to undermine our Way A Life!

An acourse any body prattlin that growin marijuana for their “medicine” in hizzen own basement fer $400/yr is a better deal than Sativex fer $10,000/yr is a librul schemer out to undermine the foundations a our society by comparin “soiled, contaminated, genetically dubious, smoky, unpredictable quantities of CHEAP THC/CBD/etc. to hygienically pure, cloned, sprayed, precisely dosed quantities of CLASSY THC/CBD/etc.”

An what a gall these libruls flaunt in public there even sayin smokin that reefer don’t cause cancer.

Ya know it’s a lie coz it’s done been printed in High Times!

I did not realize part of my last post had posted before.

With my old WebTV & this sites software SOMETIMES I know I was successful in my attempt to post and other times, I have NO clue!

So AGAIN, I’m SORRY!

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Hey WAXX

You are so full of BS I will bet you have brown eyes and it dribbles from your nose & ears as
well as your idiot mouth!

HAVE YOU EVER USED POT TO TREAT ANY MEDICAL PROBLEMS?

IF NOT, SHUT THE HELL UP! As YOU CHILD have NO clue
as to the FCTS!

“Science is the on going, ever expanding, never ending and self- correcting search for truth.”

Which CHILD, IS how I live my life. I GO where the FACTS take me!

The odds of YOU (or anyone else) being able to DISPROVE ANYTHING on ANY subject I chose to comment on are so close to zero, they may as well be zero!

You talk of science, facts, etc. while you most probably believe in one of the hundreds of thousands of MYTHS, just little childish superstitions called religions.

YOU probably believe in one, or more, of the over 25,000 plus named “gods” humans have invented so far.

IF you are religious and you talk of science being the end all of every thing, you are a HYPOCRITE!

I did not realize part of my last post had posted before.
With my old WebTV & this stites software SOMETIMES I know I was successful in my attempt to post and other times, I have NO clue!

So AGAIN, I’m SORRY!

1. Pot IS, and has effectively treated many various medical problems for at least many hundreds, and more likely, many thousands of years,

2. Eating it in food provides the longest lasting and best results.

3. I’ve now been, OFF and ON, smoking and or eating pot for well over 45 years.

(I started after about a year and a half of doing my own research in to it.).

And Children, this “pot head” will OUT THINK most of you any time and any where!

4. Anyone who compares smoking pot to smoking cigarette has no clue what they are talking about! People who smoke cigarettes smoke more than one a day.

While those of us who do smoke pot (at least me) & IF I had any to smoke, would smoke the equivalent of one half of a cigarette, IF THAT, a day. (I would much rather be eating it in cookies or brownies)

5. As far as I knopw, pot has three different effects on those who eat/smoke pot experience.

A. It makes FEW “Paranoid.” So unless they LIKE being paranoid, they should not smoke it.

B. It puts some others to sleep. So, those who have with reaction should not “use” it UNLESS they want to go Nite Nite.

C. The effect MOST or us have is a PERCEIVED INCREASE in the enjoyment
tactile feeling, Food, Music, Colors and SEX!

6. I SHOULD have as much RIGHT to use pot as does ANYONE who smokes ANY type of tobacco and/or drinks ANY type of alcohol.

And ANYONE who smokes ANY type of tobacco and/or drinks ANY type of alcohol and still thinks pot should be illegal is a low- life HYPOCRITE!

7. Pot should be made legal and WITH IN REASON, taxed

8. My mother died from her three pack a day habit and my dad smoked two packs a day. (Second hand smoke?)

And as for 5 years out of my first 7 years of life, we lived at 14,232 ft of elevation, I’m very surprised I’m still alive. Much less, at nearly 75, still playing two person Beach Volley Ball in the deep sands of Manhattan Beach, Ca.

(Of course, being a paratrooper. deep sea diver, climber, spelunker, etc., etc. is not too good for life expectancy either.)

Last, IF I could get pot and could afford it, I would damn well be smoking it often.

Joe T. Guest:
I start to think that maybe the stuff eats brain cells and should be banned.

Chronic stress and chronic sleep deprivation (and let’s not even talk about alcohol) both cause demonstrably more brain damage than chronic marijuana use does. The studies I have seen indicating cognitive impairments on marijuana users sampled subjects that had smoked 40+ joints a day for at least two years. I do not believe any physician would recommend this level of use.

Joe T. Guest:
There is also the problem that all my friends who are potheads who are basically useless most of the time — though in their case I’m not sure whether that is causation or mere correlation.

Funny, most of my friends who use marijuana are successful students, business, and members of their community. My personal anecdote cancels out your personal anecdote.

I mean, you can let drug use exacerbate other personal problems so that you become an annoying waste of space, but any drug (or not even drugs, look at the addictive and socially-destructive properties of World of Warcraft) can do this.

Smooth, like a Rhapsody:
Thanks Plotter, but how is a drug ingested via “vaporization”?

A machine pulls hot air over the plant, aerosolizing the oils for inhalation. There is no combustion, and therefore no carcinogenic smoke. Can also be done with the pure oil extract, allowing for more careful quality control.

Laura(southernxyl):
That’s a good thought.I’m thinking of articles I’ve seen here and there, that indicate that marijuana has at least as many carcinogens as tobacco, that it appears to lead to memory loss, and that its use is correlated to onset of schizophrenia.

The carcinogenic activity in marijuana appears to derive from its combustion in smoking. Orally-consumed marijuana does not appear to act as a carcinogen, while chewing tobacco does. One Israeli scientist discovered anti-tumor properties of THC in vitro, but the results have yet to be replicated. (Nicotine further harms the lungs by depressing the motion of the cilia that clear the lungs of dirty mucous, and it hardens the arteries over time leading to arteriosclerosis. Still legal, though.)

It is correlated with memory loss, as are sleep deprivation, stress, and alcohol. The acute effect of short-term memory loss is an excellent reason that no one should drive a car, operate heavy machinery, etc. while stoned or intoxicated by any substance. Lasting memory damage is only regularly observed in the heaviest of users.

Schizophrenia is a genetically-based disease of psychosis. Persons with a family history of schizophrenia should take care to avoid the environmental factors that can trigger psychosis, including (you guessed ‘em) sleep deprivation, stress, and drug use. Psychedelics are the class of drug most likely to trigger psychosis from non-heavy use, and for these purposes, marijuana can be considered one of them. A physician should not prescribe marijuana for someone who has a family history of schizophrenia. (A physician should also not prescribe marijuana for someone who has heart complications, because the drug acts on vessel dilation and blood pressure.)

Laura(southernxyl):
Anatid, what you’re saying about the different molecules is true, but then isn’t it better to narrow the therapeutic use of cannabinoids down to one molecule in particular in order to investigate side effects and so on?And as to your coffee/NoDoz analogy, just control dosage size?

For research purposes, and for many medical purposes where dosage is crucial, single molecules are absolutely crucial. For patients who are using a substance long-term, the spectrum of molecules in a plant extract is gentler on your system and healthier, causing fewer long-term side effects. Plant extracts are common in Europe and Asia – you’ve probably heard of tonics?

These are two schools of thought in medicine, and I feel that both are important to pursue. For nearly a century, the AMA has crushed the mention of tonics or other plant-based medicine in this country. It’s nice to see that they may be starting to consider more options.

NowMDJD: neurodoc says:
Marinol is not widely prescribed for relief of nausea in chemotherapy; practitioners find that other drugs work much better in practice.

A pill that you have to be able to keep down for ~45min, that won’t become active for 1hr, really doesn’t seem like a very good choice.

Right now the best candidate I know that won’t nuke your liver or kidneys is subdural ondansetron. Good stuff, but it only alleviates, not eliminates nausea, and it doesn’t stimulate hunger at all.

Ryan Waxx:
That’s liberal tolerance for you.You see, “science” means “what I want to hear” to a liberal.

Ryan Waxx: The transparent lie that pot is needed for it’s “medical” properties was exposed in the last thread on this subject.When challenged, some of the supporters claimed it had less side effects, some claimed superior pain-relieving effects, some claimed it wasn’t for pain… it was for inducing appetite.Still another person claimed that the smoking delivery was the important part, so that the cancer sufferer didn’t vomit out the “medicine”.And finally, after it became clear that not even its supporters had any clue as to what set pot apart from existing medication choices, they fell back on the “well, we should have as many choices as possible… just in case”.

That was all me, and you’ve done a smashing job of misrepresenting my original argument.

Fine. You hate liberals

O well, its not like I actually expected a substantive answer…

Fine. You hate liberals. We get it. Tell your doctor never to give you anything a liberal would tolerate. Maybe you’ll find a therapeutic use for waterboarding.

Laura(southernxyl): How do you get that from what I said?

I understood your comment to be opposed to research into medical mj. Appoligies if I misunderstood, rereading it I don’t see that as clearly.

Well, I have news for you… there’s a thriving business now in CA with docs willing to write up prescriptions “just in case”. Anotherwords, not only is the science not on your side, it’s quite apparent that any imaginary legitimate business in the drug is dwarfed by the mass of people getting prescriptions based on their doctor’s willingness to lie.

This may come as a surprise to some, but I actually don’t care if pot is legalized. It won’t have any of the positive benefits that its supporters claim (the drug war has never been principally about pot), and I believe we’ll see more negative effects than the Netherlands is experiencing, but I don’t think the negative effects will be bad enough to justify its ban.

What I *do* care about is actual, legitimate medicines being stigmatized because of this idiocy. There are real medicines out there whose gatekeepers are physicians writing prescriptions… and right now we’re seeing that process corrupted by “medical” marijuana. Public support for physicians being allowed to prescribe a non-pot painkiller for me when I need it without the feds breathing down their neck can only suffer in a nation who sees docs blatantly writing “get high” scripts on demand.

Shorter version: Because YOU can’t be bothered to work for a honest legalization vote instead of this dishonest “prescribe me a high” crap, I’m going to have more trouble the next time I break a leg, or have to have a tooth removed, etc. Thanks a bunch.

P.S. Please note that even if pot WERE a wonderdrug, the above would apply, because the process which we ALL depend on is being abused.

Laura(southernxyl): How do you get that from what I said?

That’s liberal tolerance for you. You see, “science” means “what I want to hear” to a liberal. If someone cites the positive effects of marijuana, that person is a scientist (even if he actually happens to be a lawyer or a politican). If you cite negative effects – well then you want to lock up cancer victims, as you just now discovered.

Liberals make much of conservatives’ suspicion of science, but they commit a far greater crime: they corrupt science, abusing its authority and subverting its methods to achieve policy goals.

Hence, they think it’s OK to bypass the ballot box on pot legalization by cynically using “medical marijuana” as a camel’s nose.

Hence, although they claim to have science on their side in AGW, major parts of the underlying data are simply not available in a form that hasn’t been pre-massaged by an AGW supporter… and they can’t figure out why this is a PROBLEM.

Hence, politicians make millions… and sometimes billions… because they use government power to route business from existing companies to “green” ones that become profitable only because of that government intervention.