A local controversy here in Colorado involves an auto dealer who used the billboard on his property to ask the question “PRESIDENT or JIHAD?” The rest of the billboard attempts (not very successfully in my view) to connect this question to the issue of Obama’s birth certificate. Last night I was briefly interviewed about the billboard by Channel 7 News, the local affiliate of ABC. My view is that there is not a scintilla of evidence to suggest that our President is a jihadi. Accordingly, I exercised my First Amendment rights to criticize someone else’s foolish use of his own First Amendment rights. As is the norm, not every portion of a taped interview gets used on the air. One portion that didn’t make the cut was my equating the allegation of “jihad?” with the earlier claims of some mean-spirited extremists that President Bush was as evil as Hitler.
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troll_dc2 says:
It would be interesting if someone were to track the dealer’s sales and see whether they increased or decreased as a result of the billboard.
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November 21, 2009, 5:29 pmDangerMouse says:
Obama’s not a jihadi. He just has to give a shout-out to his pals first before addressing the murder of American troops. I mean, COME ON, which is more important? Don’t you know that they make a great photo op also?
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November 21, 2009, 5:59 pmSandy MacHoots says:
I think to be a jihadi you have to belief in something larger than yourself. So no, he’s not.
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November 21, 2009, 6:00 pmtroll_dc2 says:
I detect hostility in this thread toward Obama.
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November 21, 2009, 6:02 pmShelbyC says:
I’m sure the same guy has another dealership nearby with a Bush = Hitler billboard.
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November 21, 2009, 6:23 pmptt says:
Judging from the graphics, I would have asked President? or Sikh?
Or both, of course, the two characteristics not being mutually exclusive...
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November 21, 2009, 6:27 pmPersonFromPorlock says:
Jihadi, communist, socialist... nope. Just a corrupt Chicago politician in over his head.
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November 21, 2009, 6:27 pmBT says:
Maybe the guy is just promoting a new car, like the Subaru Jihadi?
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November 21, 2009, 6:35 pmB.D. says:
Whenever I want to accuse someone of something with no evidence, I throw in a question mark.
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November 21, 2009, 6:43 pmGuy says:
Of course, he’s not accusing Obama of anything. He’s just a patriotic American asking questions. All these questions would go away if Obama would just answer them.
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November 21, 2009, 6:48 pmJK says:
And we have a winner!
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November 21, 2009, 8:06 pmChrisTS says:
Yes, but of what?
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November 21, 2009, 8:20 pmLeo Marvin says:
The Olin Fellowship in Conspiracy and Economics.
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November 21, 2009, 9:10 pmInstapundit » Blog Archive » DAVE KOPEL EXPLAINS: President Obama Is Not A Jihadi. “There is not a scintilla of evidence to sug… says:
[...] KOPEL EXPLAINS: President Obama Is Not A Jihadi. “There is not a scintilla of evidence to suggest that our President is a [...]
Subotai Bahadur says:
Did you really think that they would leave in the broadcast anything that equated the Jihadi sign with the Bush = Hitler signs? The first is sacrilege, the second is an article of faith to the Left.
More on point, however; our poor country is in deep trouble when by his own statements and policy actions, the president can draw such a question and it cannot be automatically laughed away.
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November 22, 2009, 12:39 amlarry says:
The mention of the native Americans and the Chief was a thumb in the eye of the U.S. Military.
One of the armies there at Fort Hood still wears a cavalry hat and saw action in the late 1800s.Probably protecting the settlers. So that is the connection and Obama being a master of the insulting gesture, gave a shout out to Indians before a throw-away line on terrorism and murder at Ft Hood. Imo, of course.
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November 22, 2009, 12:45 ambyomtov says:
our poor country is in deep trouble when by his own statements and policy actions, the president can draw such a question and it cannot be automatically laughed away.
Our poor country is in trouble when there is a substantial number of people who do not automatically laugh this away, and one of our major political parties caters to these nutballs. It has nothing to do with Obama’s statements and policy actions.
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November 22, 2009, 12:51 amJosh says:
Holy shit you guys are nuts. Or did Glenn Beck sign in under a bunch of different names?
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November 22, 2009, 12:58 amAlan K. Henderson says:
Obama certainly isn’t a suicide jihadi. They blow up others and themselves in the process. Obama does not intend to blow up himself (or his political allies) with his economic policy.
But seriously folks...one can argue that Obama’s policies make life operationally easier for terrorists. But the billboard casts him not as an unwitting dupe but as an actual participant. Obama isn’t a jihadi any more than Jimmy Carter was an Ayatollah or a Sandinista.
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November 22, 2009, 1:06 amObiJohnKenobe says:
Never ascribe to malice what can be attributed to incompetence.
Obama isn’t a jihadi. He’s an idiot.
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November 22, 2009, 1:10 amNagarajan Sivakumar says:
Our poor country is in trouble when there is a substantial number of people who do not automatically laugh this away, and one of our major political parties caters to these nutballs. It has nothing to do with Obama’s statements and policy actions.
There is no reason to automatically laugh this away — only a blind partisan Democrat would believe that Obama went to Wright’s church for 25 years without sharing his views... or worked with Bill Ayers without sharing his views on communism.. or was a friend of shakedown thug like Tony Rezko without helping him with favors.
And by the way, “your poor country” had a substantial number of lefties who thought that there was nt a bigger evil than George W Bush.
Obama and the Democrats deserve all the muck that is thrown at them — its nothing compared to the pure hatred and vitril that Bush had to face day after day for most of his two terms as President.
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November 22, 2009, 1:10 amHale Adams says:
Yes, but Jimmy Carter’s policies aided and abetted the actions of the ayatollahs and the Sandinistas. Obama’s policies are aiding and abetting the actions of the jihadis.
You may have just made a distinction without a difference, Alan.
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November 22, 2009, 1:34 amJaguar Paw says:
His anti-Americanism is more based on Frantz Fanon than UBL. But they can find common ground, I’m sure.
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November 22, 2009, 1:40 ambbbeard says:
Oh, please. There’s lots of “evidence” that he could be a “jihadi”. It’s just that not much is particularly convincing.
He does show inordinate (and, AFAICS, unearned) respect for the leaders of Muslim countries, coupled with deep hostility to both Israel and those he perceives as colonial powers (like Great Britain). His instinctive bow to the Saudi King, following so soon after his various calculated insults to the Brits, was very telling. His unwillingness to lift even a rhetorical finger for the democracy movement in Iran is more easily understood as a display of conditioned obedience to Islamic authority than as any kind of rational diplomatic calculation.
But your mileage may vary.
BBB
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November 22, 2009, 1:41 amMaster of Obvious says:
The sign should say:
Obama: Jihadi or sociopath.
Maps the basis. Certainly, he is not nothing. Pick one or the other.
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November 22, 2009, 1:51 amKazinski says:
There isn’t any evidence at all to speculate that Obama is a jihadi. Obama was once a Muslim, according to the pre-school registration filled out by his step-father. But that doesn’t mean anything. I myself was a Mormon until I was 5, and that didn’t take at all.
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November 22, 2009, 2:28 amLeo Marvin says:
Just when I thought the Freepers had lost interest and gone home....
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November 22, 2009, 2:53 amAlec Rawls says:
Actually, there is a huge amount of evidence that Obama is a jihadist (a traditional Muslim of the conquor-the-infidels stripe). First, he has a string of Islamofascist connections as long as your arm. His “cousin” and close political ally and confident, Raila Odinga (who calls himself an Anglican) was outed by Kenya’s Muslim leadership to be a secret Islamofascist (having signed an agreement declaring himself to be Muslim and promising to impose sharia law on Kenya).
Jeremiah Wright is a Muslim. He got a masters degree in Islam, where he presumably learned of Muhammad’s instructions that Muslims should pretend they are infidels, when by doing so they can advance the cause of Islamic conquest.
Bill “Abu Zyad” Ayers is a radical Muslim, taking Nation of Islam names for himself and his two children.
According to Percy Sutton, Obama’s admission to Harvard Law was managed and funded by Khalid al Mansour, a radical racist Islamofascist with top Saudi connections.
Obama’s best dinner buddy (his description) is Rashid Khalidi. Another Obama dinner buddy is Edward Said.
Obama has lots of NOI connections, including NOI senate staffers.
He is also overtly on the side of Ahmadinijad and other Islamofascist thugs like Hugo Chavez (siding with Chavez’ usurper buddy Zelaya in Honduras). Yes, Hugo Chavez has apparently converted to Islam, and now uses “Allah willing” salutations.
Obama also sang the beginning of the Islamic call to prayer for Nicholas Kristof. The beginning of the call to prayer is the Shahada, the Muslim declaration of faith, a single sincere utterance of which constitutes conversion to Islam according to sharia law. Obama called it “one of the prettiest sounds on earth at sunset.”
He has told numerous lies about his Islamic background, saying for instance that his only connection to Islam is the father he never met. Lie. He was raised by a devout Muslim who he considered his mentor. Obama said he never prayed in a mosque. Multiple childhood associates remember praying in the mosque with him regularly. Islam encourages its followers to lie, but not for any purpose. Only to advance the cause of Islamic conquest. Citations at my link.
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November 22, 2009, 3:56 amOrson says:
Foolish? YES.
But this — “My view is that there is not a scintilla of evidence to suggest that our President is a jihadi.” — misses the point.
There is the justifiable tacit consent with Obama’s far-leftist World Apology Tours and failure to even name the real terror threat. If he isn’t serious about our defense, then he must be against us.
This, combined with pending health care fascism, is generating palpable fear among the people.
At least, this is how I judge the tenor of callers to Denver based 850KOA radio after an interview with this man on Saturday night.
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November 22, 2009, 4:49 amchai says:
Truer words were never spoken.
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November 22, 2009, 7:15 amLeo Marvin says:
QED
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November 22, 2009, 7:16 amFred says:
I say Obama is a Jihadi. So far, personally for him, it’s not been physical, he was groomed for other events. Economic Jihad, health jihad, wealth jihad, security jihad (against American citizenry, for Islamist terrorists), Fundamentally transforming America (but those voting for him, didn’t bother to ask, change America to what, Indonesia, cuba, Venezuela?) let us not forget ‘the prettiest sound on EARTH is the Muslim call to prayer’ for him. And don’t forget, he did say ‘when the political winds shift, he would stand Muslim.’ I say he’s doing a good job of it. Despite his words and the thuggery around him, denying it at every step. Ye, shall know them by their DEEDS.
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November 22, 2009, 8:05 amreliapundit says:
NOT A JIHADI.
BUT PERHAPS A CRYPTO-MUSLIM.
ASK YOURSELF THIS (THOUGHT EXPERIMENT):
IF OBAMA REALLY WAS A CRYPTO-MUSLIM WHO WANTED TO BRING THE USA DOWN, BUT DIDN’T WANT TO BE DISCOVERED, THEN WOULD HE BE DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENTLY?
I THINK NOT.
HE IS A BLACK LIBERATIONIST IN PRACTICE OF HIS FAITH.
A POSTMODERN LEFTIST IN HIS POLITICAL IDEOLOGY.
A CHICAGO-MACHINIST IN IMPLEMENTATION.
WHICH MAKES HIM A
BREZHNEV STYLE AMERICAN BAATHIST.
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November 22, 2009, 8:14 amPatrick Of Atlantis says:
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November 22, 2009, 8:15 amPatrick Of Atlantis says:
Sparing the life of KSM and company adds to the litany of evidence that you have provided Mr. Rawls. Thank you. Your words should be sent to all Americans. Obama is bad for America as is Islam.
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November 22, 2009, 8:19 amSarcastro says:
Sociopath OR Jihadi? I think Obama can totally be both!
But like some kind of ninja-idiot-savant, his stupidity does not keep him from cunningly hiding that he’s also an atheist, and a Nazi, and a Stalinist, and a Maoist. Also a Marxist, and a fascist of course, as all libs are.
The point is he’s both stupid, evil AND clever enough to be an existential threat to America.
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November 22, 2009, 8:39 amZeek says:
A little objective thought will prove that obama is not a jihadi.
However depraved and wrong a jihadi’s beliefs are, it is incontrovertible that a jihadi believes that there is something larger and greater than himself.
Obama harbors no such delusions. There is nothing larger and greater than himself in obama’s belief system.
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D. Ch. says:
That list of evidence from Alec Rawls is interesting. It has occurred to me (or possibly I read it in a comment somewhere) that putting the 9/11 terrorists into the criminal system allows Obama to pardon them just before leaving office, on the way out the door — and if he wants a relatively tranquil life after doing this he’ll have to live in a Muslim country after leaving office ...
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November 22, 2009, 9:04 amwillis says:
“And we have a winner!
Yes, but of what?”
How about a Nobel Peace Prize? I understand they come pretty cheap these days.
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November 22, 2009, 9:10 amShelbyC says:
I’m almost sure he’s not a jihadi, but just to be safe let’s take his water bottle away when he boards Air Force One.
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November 22, 2009, 9:36 amMithras says:
What a cesspool in here. Our country really is in trouble if a sizable chunk of the population thinks the President might be a traitor if he doesn’t try to antagonize the rest of the world.
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November 22, 2009, 9:56 amSublime to ridiculous and back again | Likelihood of Success says:
[...] was a Red (click the picture). This morning it’s even better: DAVE KOPEL EXPLAINS: President Obama Is Not A Jihadi. “There is not a scintilla of evidence to suggest that our President is a [...]
Snack McSnarkerston says:
Wow, it stinks like AM talk radio in here.
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November 22, 2009, 10:12 amPaul A'Barge says:
Wow. Film at 11:00. The lame stream media editing out rationality. Who’d have thunk it.
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November 22, 2009, 10:32 amtroll_dc2 says:
I want to believe that some of the responses are parodies, but, no, they seem to be posted in all earnestness.
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November 22, 2009, 10:54 amWell, that’s good to know « Public Secrets says:
[...] Well, that’s good to know There’s not a bit of evidence to prove that President Obama is a jihadi. [...]
epignosis says:
More likely is that Obama is practicing syncretism, attempting to reconcile personal belief in Islam and Christianity. Having matriculated at Trinity United Church of Christ for 20 years, he likely has not received efficacious doctrine regarding Christianity. Therefore his views are shallow and distorted.
It is doubtful that he entertains the purpose of Jihad. He probably intends to humble our nation so that we are mere participants rather than leaders on the world stage.
The extent of arrogance that he possesses can easily produce self-deception and self-righteousness. In that sense, he is a delusional holy warrior for Utopian goals of economic justice through redistribution and reparation.
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November 22, 2009, 11:13 amsureyoubet says:
Agree with those that conclude he can’t be jihadi because he doesn’t believe there is any God greater than he.
People have misread his bowing problem. It’s not that he wants to express the inferiority of the US to the likes of Saudi Arabia or the Japanese emperor.
It’s that he sees himself as the messiah and, like Jesus washed the feet of his disciples, he is attempting the same by bowing. Of course the disciples protested that they were not worthy. Obama is not getting the same reaction, and that confuses him.
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November 22, 2009, 11:27 amTexEd says:
There is no evidence, not a scintilla, that Obama is not a jihadi; about that same amount of evidence that he is. But, there is a powerful presumption that he is and has been hiding something. There is a whole list of documents Obama has elected not to divulge, his medical records, for example. Why would a reasonably young man with a good upbringing not show his medical records? We saw Bush’s medical records. Obama elects not to show his medical records because they contain information that would cause honest Americans to question him. The same holds true for a long list of other documents that he is concealing.
Whether they hide the fact that Obama is a jihadi, I don’t know. But, so long as he does hide information that any, say, judicial nominee of a Republican President before a democrat Senate Judiciary Committee would be required to provide, we have the right to make presumptions about his honesty, integrity, judgment and core beliefs.
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November 22, 2009, 11:43 amBilly Oblivion says:
You’re saying the Democrats need to work harder to distance themselves from people like Michael Moore, “Van” Jones, Reverend “God Damn America” Wright, etc.?
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November 22, 2009, 11:44 ambyomtov says:
Wow. If anyone needed evidence that there are some serious ODS sufferers out there, this thread should suffice.
Amazing. Absolutely amazing and frightening vitriol based on absolutely nothing.
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November 22, 2009, 12:05 pmMason says:
Disclose the birth certificate.
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November 22, 2009, 1:04 pmStJames says:
It is totally amazing that the left could lambast Bush for 8 years and then when it’s their turn in the barrel all they want to do is cry foul.
I also agree disclose the birth certificate and the remainder of the records that other presidents have disclosed.
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November 22, 2009, 1:39 pm45 says:
Mithras, 11/22 9:56 am: His Wonness doesn’t demonstrate antagonism to the rest of the world, except for out allies. (Sorry your addled mind can’t see that your impplication is that Bush antagonized the world. Yet the record shows, that he, with the approval of Congress (97 yay, 1 nay) invaded both Iraq and Afghanistan to FREE those people from oppressive regimes so that their PEOPLE might have a chance at FREEDOM).
His Wonness regularly demonstrates:
***Antagonism to American traditions (won’t place hand on heart during National Anthem, thinks he’s better than all Americans).
***Antagonism to white Americans (with prejudice he proclaimed the Cambridge police acted “Stupidly” before he knew the situation; 20+ years as a disciple of a white-hating preacher).
***Antagonism towards American tax-paying citizens (covert taxes such as Health Care, Cap and Trade, devaluing the dollar, making out children pay off our debt, not doing anything rational to help the recession like cutting taxes).
***Antagonism towards American allies (Britain, Australia, Israel), while currying favor with American adversaries (Russia, Cuba, Venezeula, Iran).
***Antagonism towards the American system of governance (37 czars without any oversight by Congress, many of whom have Socialist, Communist, or Fascist statements of desire; seeking international treaties to get around the Constitution).
***Antagonism towards American Business (vilifying insurance companies, banks, Big Oil, pharmaceutical companies, physicians, automobile companies, small business owners with high taxation, etc. while promoting his Union allies).
Only someone hallucinating on his kool-aid would NOW be unable to see that when he said he would “fundamentaly transform America” tearing down all that has made America the beacon to the world, and turn us into Argentina, or worse, Cuba, etc.
This isn’t a cesspool! Here we are casting pearls of truth! Too bad you are as swine...
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November 22, 2009, 1:59 pmLeo Marvin says:
But you conveniently ignore why this is a FAIL. Obama’s obviously evil and Marxist enough to be an Islam, but he’s totally too arrogant, probably about something in his hidden medical records.
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November 22, 2009, 2:11 pmLeo Marvin says:
How much would it cost to set this thread up with its own website and make it permanent? Whatever it is, put me down for a few bucks.
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November 22, 2009, 2:23 pmMithras says:
Is this a parody? I’m thinking not, but it’s hard to be sure. I think the typo rate might be high even for a real wingnut. Also, “pearls of truth” seems over the top. Is it real?
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November 22, 2009, 2:37 pmBlargh says:
Finally, I understand — Obama is both an atheist AND a secret Muslim! It makes so much sense.
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November 22, 2009, 2:44 pmBlargh says:
Also, don’t forget — there haven’t been any terror attacks on US soil since Obama was elected. This proves that his security policies are totally working.
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November 22, 2009, 2:44 pmGuesterson says:
Jesus Jumpin’ Christ, stop with these kinds of posts. I know they draw eyeballs, but it’s bringing down the level of discourse here. Professor Volokh, please help.
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November 22, 2009, 3:35 pmAnonymous says:
Because people who don’t agree with me are simply insane, and should not be seen!
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November 22, 2009, 5:02 pmCJColucci says:
My view is that there is not a scintilla of evidence to suggest that our President is a jihadi.
It says nearly everything that needs to be said that a seemingly reasonable person would feel the need to say this. It says everything else that needs to be said that the seemingly reasonable person would feel the need to hedge and say that it is only his “view” that there is no evidence that the President of the United States is a jihadi.
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November 22, 2009, 6:18 pmArthurKirkland says:
This site’s current base has spoken, Prof. Kopel, and has pronounced you a gullible commie (with probable Muslim leanings).
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November 22, 2009, 6:29 pmAlan K. Henderson says:
The distinction is important. Outcomes and not intentions define the worth of policies. But intentions are important in another regard: defining the character of the individual in question. It’s not ethical to say that a person is what he/she is not. Also, you can’t deal with someone effectively if your perception of that individual is flawed. You do not deal with a terrorist sympathizer (e.g. Lynne Stewart) the same way you deal with someone who unwittingly abets terrorists (e.g. Yitzhak Rabin, Shimon Peres).
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November 22, 2009, 6:35 pmHale Adams says:
Alan,
You’re right that we should not impute malign motives to policies we don’t like when there’s no evidence of ill intent. My point is only this: the results of those motives are what is important, and it’s those results that we have to live with.
The results of Obama’s policies are likely to be even more baleful than those of Carter’s policies.
There’s a reason that there is an old saying: “The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.”
Is Obama leading us down the (figurative) road to Hell? He may not mean to, but his intentions DO NOT matter. What DOES matter is what we do about it.
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November 22, 2009, 8:13 pmGuesterson says:
Yes, that’s exactly it. And their views are really reasonable, too. Get a life, freeper.
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November 22, 2009, 8:55 pmBenP says:
Consider this your introduction to Poe’s law
THis thread is a perfect case in point.
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November 22, 2009, 9:27 pmChrisTS says:
The Olin Fellowship in Conspiracy and Economics.
:-)
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November 22, 2009, 10:09 pmChrisTS says:
You are a deeply twisted man.
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November 22, 2009, 10:13 pmglasnost says:
Wow.
You people are out of your minds. And this the comment thread of one of the most prominent legal blogs in the country.
To take one teensy, tiny example, do you guys know the list of presidents that have bowed before various foreign leaders since, oh, World War II? Would you believe.. um.. all of them? The difference between them and Obama is a) you’re aware of this one and b) OBAMA’S A SCARY MUSLIM AND WHEN HE DOES IT IT MEANS HE LOVES JIHAD !!!11X!!!1! I’m really not going to go find the link that bothered to document this in exhaustive detail, pictures included, because it’s weeks old and you’re too fringe-y to bother. But pretty much every item on this sad list is as based on that kind of embarassing ignorance.
God help us if Obama was pictured sucking face with the Saudi ambassador like, oh, I don’t know, our last president.
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November 22, 2009, 11:01 pmLeo Marvin says:
If it’s twisted to want others to share your pleasure in an ocean breeze, a child’s laugh or a demented comment thread, I plead guilty.
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November 23, 2009, 1:13 amegd says:
All of the left-leaning commentators on this post should immediately report to reeducation camp.
Jihad obviously doesn’t mean violence against others, Islam is the religion of peace.
Leftists should be rejoicing that President Obama is a Jihadist, under the definition given to the term by liberal intellectuals and Islam apologists. He is doing his utmost to change America into a better place.
So for all those liberal commentators who argue that President Obama is not a jihadist, please turn in your political correctness cards and register yourselves as evil fascist hatemongers for demeaning the religion of peace.
Racists.
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November 23, 2009, 9:23 amRob in CT says:
Well this post sure brought out the wingnuts.
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November 23, 2009, 1:41 pmChrisTS says:
Not a good trainwreck.
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November 23, 2009, 3:39 pmPreston says:
The man behind the sign is either an idiot, crazy or a racist (maybe all three). We won the election and now these sore losers will continue to spew their lies. They remind me of the Birthers losers, who even Bill O’Reilly have smacked down like true flies.
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November 23, 2009, 9:04 pmAlan K. Henderson says:
I think pretty much none of the famous righty pundits have signed on with the birthers. Maybe some like the idea of asking extra birth documentation from prez candidates, especially those with at least one foreign parent — but you don’t have to be a birther to favor that.
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November 23, 2009, 9:36 pm