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		<title>By: Myrtle Beach Attorney</title>
		<link>http://volokh.com/2009/11/27/excess-ethanol/comment-page-1/#comment-699420</link>
		<dc:creator>Myrtle Beach Attorney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 00:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: flyovertard</title>
		<link>http://volokh.com/2009/11/27/excess-ethanol/comment-page-1/#comment-696433</link>
		<dc:creator>flyovertard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 05:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ethanol in Nebraska - Summer 2009

Its been wet but with lots of nitrogen the corn crop is tremendous.  But its wet.  The ethanol plants require relatively low moisture in the grain.  But its wet.  At every ethanol plant (even Thanksgiving Day)  semi trucks with propane are staged for blocks feeding the grain dryers (yes burning propane to dry the grain to make ethanol).  Several petroleum pipelines are currently dedicated to shuttling propane from Kansas refineries to the ethanol plant grain dryers in Nebraska.  Lots of propane.

Once the ethanol is produced it is by definition &quot;100 proof&quot; corn liquor.  California is the largest current ethanol market.  However, can&#039;t tranport &quot;100 proof&quot; across state lines via railroad.  So, the ethanol is watered down to approximately &quot;50 proof&quot;, and shipped via railway to California.  Once in California is goes through distillation to remove half of the shipping weight(most distillers in CA us natural gas - but some use propane). 

If you consider the fuel used to produce the corn, the fuel to get it to a ethanol plant, the fuel to dry the corn, the fuel for distilation to produce ethanol, the fuel to ship the product to its market, the fuel to redistill the product, and the fuel to ship to its retail market - you know that subsidies and government mandates are helping to save our environment.</description>
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<p>Its been wet but with lots of nitrogen the corn crop is tremendous.  But its wet.  The ethanol plants require relatively low moisture in the grain.  But its wet.  At every ethanol plant (even Thanksgiving Day)  semi trucks with propane are staged for blocks feeding the grain dryers (yes burning propane to dry the grain to make ethanol).  Several petroleum pipelines are currently dedicated to shuttling propane from Kansas refineries to the ethanol plant grain dryers in Nebraska.  Lots of propane.</p>
<p>Once the ethanol is produced it is by definition &#8220;100 proof&#8221; corn liquor.  California is the largest current ethanol market.  However, can&#8217;t tranport &#8220;100 proof&#8221; across state lines via railroad.  So, the ethanol is watered down to approximately &#8220;50 proof&#8221;, and shipped via railway to California.  Once in California is goes through distillation to remove half of the shipping weight(most distillers in CA us natural gas &#8211; but some use propane). </p>
<p>If you consider the fuel used to produce the corn, the fuel to get it to a ethanol plant, the fuel to dry the corn, the fuel for distilation to produce ethanol, the fuel to ship the product to its market, the fuel to redistill the product, and the fuel to ship to its retail market &#8211; you know that subsidies and government mandates are helping to save our environment.</p>
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		<title>By: MatthewM</title>
		<link>http://volokh.com/2009/11/27/excess-ethanol/comment-page-1/#comment-696263</link>
		<dc:creator>MatthewM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 00:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congress is requiring something that is mathematically impossible.  Why am I not surprised? Next we know they will decree that all 8 year olds are 15 and that fall follows spring.  Seriously, though, this is another failure of our overregulated society, one that will be repeated many times in the next few years....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congress is requiring something that is mathematically impossible.  Why am I not surprised? Next we know they will decree that all 8 year olds are 15 and that fall follows spring.  Seriously, though, this is another failure of our overregulated society, one that will be repeated many times in the next few years&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: LarryA</title>
		<link>http://volokh.com/2009/11/27/excess-ethanol/comment-page-1/#comment-696033</link>
		<dc:creator>LarryA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;“We are sensitive to the issues facing the ethanol industry, but the government must make decisions based on sound science,” said Dave McCurdy, president and chief executive of the alliance, in a letter to the E.P.A.&lt;/blockquote&gt;ROTFLMAO

Note the overwhelming concern for corn farmers. Are not the petroleum companies seeing the same declining demand? No hint of concern for them, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“We are sensitive to the issues facing the ethanol industry, but the government must make decisions based on sound science,” said Dave McCurdy, president and chief executive of the alliance, in a letter to the E.P.A.</p></blockquote>
<p>ROTFLMAO</p>
<p>Note the overwhelming concern for corn farmers. Are not the petroleum companies seeing the same declining demand? No hint of concern for them, though.</p>
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		<title>By: SunTzu's Nephew</title>
		<link>http://volokh.com/2009/11/27/excess-ethanol/comment-page-1/#comment-696009</link>
		<dc:creator>SunTzu's Nephew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The EPA (especially when led by leftists, like the current administration) is never impressed by arguments involving physical laws, or limits....Marie Antoinette had nothing on these clowns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The EPA (especially when led by leftists, like the current administration) is never impressed by arguments involving physical laws, or limits&#8230;.Marie Antoinette had nothing on these clowns.</p>
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		<title>By: John Burgess</title>
		<link>http://volokh.com/2009/11/27/excess-ethanol/comment-page-1/#comment-695947</link>
		<dc:creator>John Burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 14:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Shoving it up my rectum&#039; is a far more efficient alcohol delivery system than drinking it! It was by far the preferred method of getting drunk for countless, poor Eastern European university students during the 1980s. It also avoided the problem of off-tastes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Shoving it up my rectum&#8217; is a far more efficient alcohol delivery system than drinking it! It was by far the preferred method of getting drunk for countless, poor Eastern European university students during the 1980s. It also avoided the problem of off-tastes.</p>
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		<title>By: The Volokh Conspiracy » Blog Archive » Excess Ethanol &#171; Simon Studio Analysis</title>
		<link>http://volokh.com/2009/11/27/excess-ethanol/comment-page-1/#comment-695926</link>
		<dc:creator>The Volokh Conspiracy » Blog Archive » Excess Ethanol &#171; Simon Studio Analysis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 11:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Congress demanded oil refiners use more ethanol, but meeting the federal targets is going to be a problem.&#160; Now it’s up to the EPA to ease the mandate.&#160; Will they&#160;act?   via volokh.com [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Congress demanded oil refiners use more ethanol, but meeting the federal targets is going to be a problem.&nbsp; Now it’s up to the EPA to ease the mandate.&nbsp; Will they&nbsp;act?   via volokh.com [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Noah David Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noah David Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 11:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see Ethanol as the only way out... but I don&#039;t need it shoved up my rectum.  If petrol goes up and Ethanol wins then it will be company imposed not government imposed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see Ethanol as the only way out&#8230; but I don&#8217;t need it shoved up my rectum.  If petrol goes up and Ethanol wins then it will be company imposed not government imposed.</p>
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		<title>By: redc1c4</title>
		<link>http://volokh.com/2009/11/27/excess-ethanol/comment-page-1/#comment-695922</link>
		<dc:creator>redc1c4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 10:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;ll be happy to take some of the surplus ethanol, and i guarantee it will be used.

i don&#039;t see how i can keep reading about Ear Leader and his plans without a steady supply of everclear to numb the pain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;ll be happy to take some of the surplus ethanol, and i guarantee it will be used.</p>
<p>i don&#8217;t see how i can keep reading about Ear Leader and his plans without a steady supply of everclear to numb the pain.</p>
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