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		<title>By: Kenji Takahashi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenji Takahashi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like a couple people should say sorry, let the universal health care cover the costs, chalk it up to a mistake to learn from.  

The lawyer that teaches the course is the only one who should be sued, for Public Nuisance, for encouraging this kind of tort foolishness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a couple people should say sorry, let the universal health care cover the costs, chalk it up to a mistake to learn from.  </p>
<p>The lawyer that teaches the course is the only one who should be sued, for Public Nuisance, for encouraging this kind of tort foolishness.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisTS</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisTS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, EV.</description>
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		<title>By: Bill Ryan&#8217;s Other Blog &#187; Tort Buffet</title>
		<link>http://volokh.com/2009/12/12/my-torts-exam/comment-page-2/#comment-707455</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Ryan&#8217;s Other Blog &#187; Tort Buffet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Volokh posted on of his Final Exam questions today.&#160; I love the Volokh Conspiracy and think it’d be really cool having any of them (or Glenn [...]</description>
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		<title>By: iawai</title>
		<link>http://volokh.com/2009/12/12/my-torts-exam/comment-page-2/#comment-706663</link>
		<dc:creator>iawai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-706195&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-706195&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Watcher&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;3. Grandma Jones fell down in the walmart parking lot. There is a chance the cart guy knew there was loose gravel there.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ha!  My 1L Torts Exam was about a supermarket parking lot, kids rolling around in semi-attended carts, distracted drivers, helpful strangers, and the owner knowing of the slope in the black-top, among other things.

Now back to studying for my last &quot;Spartan&quot; exam for the semester... (I got that Michigan State = Sparta, didn&#039;t get the WNE::Homer reference)</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-706195" rel="nofollow">The Watcher</a></strong>3. Grandma Jones fell down in the walmart parking lot. There is a chance the cart guy knew there was loose gravel there.</p>
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<p>Ha!  My 1L Torts Exam was about a supermarket parking lot, kids rolling around in semi-attended carts, distracted drivers, helpful strangers, and the owner knowing of the slope in the black-top, among other things.</p>
<p>Now back to studying for my last &#8220;Spartan&#8221; exam for the semester&#8230; (I got that Michigan State = Sparta, didn&#8217;t get the WNE::Homer reference)</p>
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		<title>By: Consi</title>
		<link>http://volokh.com/2009/12/12/my-torts-exam/comment-page-2/#comment-706556</link>
		<dc:creator>Consi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The Watcher observes that in real life tort cases take three forms:

1. So and so was drunk and his car hit the new mom’s car (bonus if you can sue the bar who served him).

2. Jenny was at work and her boss made an off color joke. She was fired for stealing the next week.

3. Grandma Jones fell down in the walmart parking lot. There is a chance the cart guy knew there was loose gravel there.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Watcher needs more time in real life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The Watcher observes that in real life tort cases take three forms:</p>
<p>1. So and so was drunk and his car hit the new mom’s car (bonus if you can sue the bar who served him).</p>
<p>2. Jenny was at work and her boss made an off color joke. She was fired for stealing the next week.</p>
<p>3. Grandma Jones fell down in the walmart parking lot. There is a chance the cart guy knew there was loose gravel there.</p></blockquote>
<p>Watcher needs more time in real life.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene Volokh</title>
		<link>http://volokh.com/2009/12/12/my-torts-exam/comment-page-2/#comment-706545</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene Volokh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ChrisTS:  Sure, see &lt;a href=&quot;http://volokh.com/posts/1249502730.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://volokh.com/posts/1250010385.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ChrisTS:  Sure, see <a href="http://volokh.com/posts/1249502730.shtml" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://volokh.com/posts/1250010385.shtml" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Nunzio</title>
		<link>http://volokh.com/2009/12/12/my-torts-exam/comment-page-2/#comment-706516</link>
		<dc:creator>Nunzio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Eugene&#039;s catch-all is appropriate.  Everyone&#039;s assuming that the keep the wolf-dog in the cage law is meant to protect against vicious animals, but the purpose could be to prevent spread of certain bacteria that is harmless to the wolf-dog but harmful to local flora and fauna.  

Also, if Priam&#039;s party was meant to be held just inside he wouldn&#039;t have a duty to warn Helen about the hole in his backyard.  Also, you can&#039;t discuss the product liability of the company without discussing any potential warning label the product may have had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Eugene&#8217;s catch-all is appropriate.  Everyone&#8217;s assuming that the keep the wolf-dog in the cage law is meant to protect against vicious animals, but the purpose could be to prevent spread of certain bacteria that is harmless to the wolf-dog but harmful to local flora and fauna.  </p>
<p>Also, if Priam&#8217;s party was meant to be held just inside he wouldn&#8217;t have a duty to warn Helen about the hole in his backyard.  Also, you can&#8217;t discuss the product liability of the company without discussing any potential warning label the product may have had.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisTS</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisTS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EV:

Thanks. Could you tell me in which states it is still used?  (I ask for purely intellectual purposes, of course.)</description>
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<p>Thanks. Could you tell me in which states it is still used?  (I ask for purely intellectual purposes, of course.)</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisTS</title>
		<link>http://volokh.com/2009/12/12/my-torts-exam/comment-page-2/#comment-706476</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisTS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>markm:

&lt;blockquote&gt;IMHO, Cerberus is not disabled, he is differently abled. He is very good at guarding entryways, but poor at chases. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hmm. My mother was deaf, but/and she could sense a footfall anywhere in the house.  If she had lived to hear anyone call her &#039;differently abled,&#039; she would have decked the poor soul. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>markm:</p>
<blockquote><p>IMHO, Cerberus is not disabled, he is differently abled. He is very good at guarding entryways, but poor at chases. </p></blockquote>
<p>Hmm. My mother was deaf, but/and she could sense a footfall anywhere in the house.  If she had lived to hear anyone call her &#8216;differently abled,&#8217; she would have decked the poor soul. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Weber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Weber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are we allowed to speculate whether or not Priam&#039;s invitation was understood to include Hades&#039;s dog?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are we allowed to speculate whether or not Priam&#8217;s invitation was understood to include Hades&#8217;s dog?</p>
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		<title>By: law student</title>
		<link>http://volokh.com/2009/12/12/my-torts-exam/comment-page-2/#comment-706447</link>
		<dc:creator>law student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-706118&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-706118&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Serendiptity&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: My torts exam is Friday and I wondered exactly the same&#160;thing.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I would say still a trespasser since privilege is a defense.</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-706118" rel="nofollow">Serendiptity</a></strong>: My torts exam is Friday and I wondered exactly the same&nbsp;thing.
</p></blockquote>
<p>I would say still a trespasser since privilege is a defense.</p>
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		<title>By: David Nieporent</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Nieporent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;v. Menelaus for defamation, public disclosure of private facts, and tortuous interference with economic relations.&lt;/blockquote&gt;There&#039;s that spellcheck again.  Tortious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>v. Menelaus for defamation, public disclosure of private facts, and tortuous interference with economic relations.</p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s that spellcheck again.  Tortious.</p>
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		<title>By: sitzpinkler</title>
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		<dc:creator>sitzpinkler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 06:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-706074&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-706074&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Realist&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: first-year MBAs over at the B-school will be answering a question on company valuation 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I had a law school exam with a valuation question.  Do I get a prize?</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-706074" rel="nofollow">Realist</a></strong>: first-year MBAs over at the B-school will be answering a question on company valuation
</p></blockquote>
<p>I had a law school exam with a valuation question.  Do I get a prize?</p>
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		<title>By: hades</title>
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		<dc:creator>hades</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 06:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-705982&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-705982&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kuzbad&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: The one I don’t get is Homer / Western New England? What am I missing?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Springfield</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-705982" rel="nofollow">Kuzbad</a></strong>: The one I don’t get is Homer / Western New England? What am I missing?
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<p>Springfield</p>
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		<title>By: william jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>william jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 02:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate exams that require more time to figure out who is who than to address the law. I invariably spend about 1/3 of my time drawing a stupid picture or flipping back through my pages to remember which character did who to what. But maybe that is what professors want to measure. If turnabout is fair play, then as a law student I should choose to measure professors&#039; expertise of, in significant part, based on how quickly they can learn everybody&#039;s name in the class. Bonus points if they can spot students&#039; issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate exams that require more time to figure out who is who than to address the law. I invariably spend about 1/3 of my time drawing a stupid picture or flipping back through my pages to remember which character did who to what. But maybe that is what professors want to measure. If turnabout is fair play, then as a law student I should choose to measure professors&#8217; expertise of, in significant part, based on how quickly they can learn everybody&#8217;s name in the class. Bonus points if they can spot students&#8217; issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Atomic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Atomic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 02:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guy - Regarding Greek history and mythology:

&lt;em&gt;Persephone and Bluto&lt;/em&gt; - Sailor gets laid up for the winter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guy &#8211; Regarding Greek history and mythology:</p>
<p><em>Persephone and Bluto</em> &#8211; Sailor gets laid up for the winter.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 01:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still can&#039;t figure out how Helen climbed out of that first pit....</description>
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		<title>By: ED Reese</title>
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		<dc:creator>ED Reese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 01:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-705921&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-705921&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;leo marvin&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: 
Like Oren, I thought that was the one thing nobody would question.The hypothetical exceeded my ability to suspend disbelief when Cerberus couldn’t catch a serially clumsy, injured law professor.I half expected you to have her fall a third time when she broke a high heel, yet still stay a step ahead of the charging wolf.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But Cerebrus is still suffering from the painful and disabling effects of Midas&#039;s mining. I know nothing about torts, but plot devices, I can definitely speak on.</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-705921" rel="nofollow">leo marvin</a></strong>:<br />
Like Oren, I thought that was the one thing nobody would question.The hypothetical exceeded my ability to suspend disbelief when Cerberus couldn’t catch a serially clumsy, injured law professor.I half expected you to have her fall a third time when she broke a high heel, yet still stay a step ahead of the charging wolf.</p>
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<p>But Cerebrus is still suffering from the painful and disabling effects of Midas&#8217;s mining. I know nothing about torts, but plot devices, I can definitely speak on.</p>
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		<title>By: markm</title>
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		<dc:creator>markm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 01:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Cerberus has a disability — multiple head syndrome. Apparently, he was not afforded proper accomodations for the chase.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
IMHO, Cerberus is not disabled, he is differently abled. He is very good at guarding entryways, but poor at chases. 

As for the exam inflicting emotional distress upon the students, wouldn&#039;t the law school require them to sign waivers before enrolling?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Cerberus has a disability — multiple head syndrome. Apparently, he was not afforded proper accomodations for the chase.</p></blockquote>
<p>IMHO, Cerberus is not disabled, he is differently abled. He is very good at guarding entryways, but poor at chases. </p>
<p>As for the exam inflicting emotional distress upon the students, wouldn&#8217;t the law school require them to sign waivers before enrolling?</p>
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		<title>By: The Watcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Watcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 01:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Watcher observes that in real life tort cases take three forms:

1. So and so was drunk and his car hit the new mom&#039;s car (bonus if you can sue the bar who served him).

2. Jenny was at work and her boss made an off color joke. She was fired for stealing the next week.

3. Grandma Jones fell down in the walmart parking lot. There is a chance the cart guy knew there was loose gravel there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Watcher observes that in real life tort cases take three forms:</p>
<p>1. So and so was drunk and his car hit the new mom&#8217;s car (bonus if you can sue the bar who served him).</p>
<p>2. Jenny was at work and her boss made an off color joke. She was fired for stealing the next week.</p>
<p>3. Grandma Jones fell down in the walmart parking lot. There is a chance the cart guy knew there was loose gravel there.</p>
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		<title>By: Patent Lawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patent Lawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was, I hope, a take-home?  Or the only question on a 3 hour exam, at least?  Yikes.  I applaud your ability to write a fact pattern that includes probably 90% of torts mentioned in the Restatement.

@tvk: I was under the impression that loss of consortium was a type of damages, not an independent cause of action, and therefore actually not covered by the question.

BTW, Eugene, what&#039;s your opinion of jokes made based on the source material in the question?  I included such jokes in my Patent Law and Antitrust exams in law school, mostly for my own amusement (in fact patterns based on &quot;Stranger than Fiction&quot; and Futurama, respectively.  I mean, how do you write an antitrust question about Planet Express without mentioning Mom&#039;s Friendly Package Delivery Co.?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was, I hope, a take-home?  Or the only question on a 3 hour exam, at least?  Yikes.  I applaud your ability to write a fact pattern that includes probably 90% of torts mentioned in the Restatement.</p>
<p>@tvk: I was under the impression that loss of consortium was a type of damages, not an independent cause of action, and therefore actually not covered by the question.</p>
<p>BTW, Eugene, what&#8217;s your opinion of jokes made based on the source material in the question?  I included such jokes in my Patent Law and Antitrust exams in law school, mostly for my own amusement (in fact patterns based on &#8220;Stranger than Fiction&#8221; and Futurama, respectively.  I mean, how do you write an antitrust question about Planet Express without mentioning Mom&#8217;s Friendly Package Delivery Co.?)</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisTS</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisTS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So alienation of affection is still used?  I was wondering.  [Only in a few states, but we did have one class session discussing it, chiefly because it reflects in interesting ways on broader tort policy questions. -EV]

On the other hand, if you stand on a porch (stoa?) laughing while your partner is being chased by a multi-headed hell hound, I think you have already achieved the alienation on your own.</description>
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<p>On the other hand, if you stand on a porch (stoa?) laughing while your partner is being chased by a multi-headed hell hound, I think you have already achieved the alienation on your own.</p>
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		<title>By: tvk</title>
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		<dc:creator>tvk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 21:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tip for students, it helps to first list out all the torts before going through the analysis so you don&#039;t miss anything.  I think this is a reasonably complete list, though Eugene can tell me if I missed anything.

Everyone:
	v. Homer for right of publicity and public disclosure of private facts.
Helen:
	v. Midas for negligence for whistle and occupier’s liability.
	v. Hades for strict liability and negligence.
	v. Hercules for product liability.
	v. Priam for occupier’s liability.
	v. Menelaus for duty to rescue due to special relationship.
Midas:
	v. Helen for trespass and negligence.
	v. Hades for trespass and negligence.
	v. Paris for trespass.
Hades:
	v. Paris for trespass to chattel.
	v. Hercules for product liability.
	v. Midas for negligence.
Priam:
	v. Midas for nuisance.
Menelaus:
	v. Paris for alienation of affections.
	v. Midas, Hades, Hercules, and Priam for loss of consortium.
Paris:
	v. Menelaus for defamation, public disclosure of private facts, and tortuous interference with economic relations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tip for students, it helps to first list out all the torts before going through the analysis so you don&#8217;t miss anything.  I think this is a reasonably complete list, though Eugene can tell me if I missed anything.</p>
<p>Everyone:<br />
	v. Homer for right of publicity and public disclosure of private facts.<br />
Helen:<br />
	v. Midas for negligence for whistle and occupier’s liability.<br />
	v. Hades for strict liability and negligence.<br />
	v. Hercules for product liability.<br />
	v. Priam for occupier’s liability.<br />
	v. Menelaus for duty to rescue due to special relationship.<br />
Midas:<br />
	v. Helen for trespass and negligence.<br />
	v. Hades for trespass and negligence.<br />
	v. Paris for trespass.<br />
Hades:<br />
	v. Paris for trespass to chattel.<br />
	v. Hercules for product liability.<br />
	v. Midas for negligence.<br />
Priam:<br />
	v. Midas for nuisance.<br />
Menelaus:<br />
	v. Paris for alienation of affections.<br />
	v. Midas, Hades, Hercules, and Priam for loss of consortium.<br />
Paris:<br />
	v. Menelaus for defamation, public disclosure of private facts, and tortuous interference with economic relations.</p>
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		<title>By: ICEngineer</title>
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		<dc:creator>ICEngineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-705866&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-705866&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;GainesvilleGuest&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: I’m glad I’m almost done with law school.

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I love law, and found this question incredibly interesting, but right at this moment I am &lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt; glad I became an engineer.</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-705866" rel="nofollow">GainesvilleGuest</a></strong>: I’m glad I’m almost done with law school.</p>
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<p>I love law, and found this question incredibly interesting, but right at this moment I am <em>really</em> glad I became an engineer.</p>
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		<title>By: Serendiptity</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-706098&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-706098&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Will&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: My torts final is tomorrow.&#160;Anyway, this question raises at least one issue which I am completely unsure of. Presumably the necessity defense entitles Helen to enter Midas’s land, since she needs to escape the dog. However, for the purposes of the traditional landowner liability categories, is she still considered a trespasser, or now considered a licensee?

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My torts exam is Friday and I wondered exactly the same thing.</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-706098" rel="nofollow">Will</a></strong>: My torts final is tomorrow.&nbsp;Anyway, this question raises at least one issue which I am completely unsure of. Presumably the necessity defense entitles Helen to enter Midas’s land, since she needs to escape the dog. However, for the purposes of the traditional landowner liability categories, is she still considered a trespasser, or now considered a licensee?</p>
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<p>My torts exam is Friday and I wondered exactly the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Grover_Cleveland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grover_Cleveland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IANAL, but could Helen sue for false light based on the title of the book?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IANAL, but could Helen sue for false light based on the title of the book?</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My torts final is tomorrow. 

Anyway, this question raises at least one issue which I am completely unsure of. Presumably the necessity defense entitles Helen to enter Midas&#039;s land, since she needs to escape the dog. However, for the purposes of the traditional landowner liability categories, is she still considered a trespasser, or now considered a licensee?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My torts final is tomorrow. </p>
<p>Anyway, this question raises at least one issue which I am completely unsure of. Presumably the necessity defense entitles Helen to enter Midas&#8217;s land, since she needs to escape the dog. However, for the purposes of the traditional landowner liability categories, is she still considered a trespasser, or now considered a licensee?</p>
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		<title>By: current3L</title>
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		<dc:creator>current3L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-706076&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-706076&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DjDiverDan&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: Rather than asking a question which requires some detailed analysis of a complex issue (which would actually show more than a passing familiarity with the subject matter), you ask a question which asks students to “spot all the issues”, without requiring them to actually analyze them.
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Actually, no.  Professor Volokh was clear (to any student who read the entire question) that &lt;em&gt;You need not predict which of them would win and which would lose, but you should &lt;strong&gt;analyze them as thoroughly as you can&lt;/strong&gt;, giving the best arguments for both sides.&lt;/em&gt;

I suspect someone who spotted all the issues, but didn&#039;t do a duty-breach-causation analysis would pass, but get well below the median.  He also asked for you to apply both majority and minority jurisdiction rules, when appropriate.  Most likely, that is dispositive on some of these issues.</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-706076" rel="nofollow">DjDiverDan</a></strong>: Rather than asking a question which requires some detailed analysis of a complex issue (which would actually show more than a passing familiarity with the subject matter), you ask a question which asks students to “spot all the issues”, without requiring them to actually analyze them.
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<p>Actually, no.  Professor Volokh was clear (to any student who read the entire question) that <em>You need not predict which of them would win and which would lose, but you should <strong>analyze them as thoroughly as you can</strong>, giving the best arguments for both sides.</em></p>
<p>I suspect someone who spotted all the issues, but didn&#8217;t do a duty-breach-causation analysis would pass, but get well below the median.  He also asked for you to apply both majority and minority jurisdiction rules, when appropriate.  Most likely, that is dispositive on some of these issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Slater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Slater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s how I would handle it, Frank (or frankcross if you prefer).  And I&#039;ve certainly written questions with holes I didn&#039;t see.  It&#039;s just that I think inviting first year students to add facts might be a worse potential problem.  Anyway, I&#039;m sure EV has enough experience teaching to know what works best with his students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s how I would handle it, Frank (or frankcross if you prefer).  And I&#8217;ve certainly written questions with holes I didn&#8217;t see.  It&#8217;s just that I think inviting first year students to add facts might be a worse potential problem.  Anyway, I&#8217;m sure EV has enough experience teaching to know what works best with his students.</p>
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		<title>By: frankcross</title>
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		<dc:creator>frankcross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you have to have that last sentence because of ambiguities, Joseph Slater.  And if they make up facts not plausible from the question, they&#039;re just wasting time, they get no credit.

The problem is that some of these students are creative and smart and will find holes in my question that I didn&#039;t see.  Although this question has so many separate legal issues, they probably won&#039;t have time to do much factual musing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you have to have that last sentence because of ambiguities, Joseph Slater.  And if they make up facts not plausible from the question, they&#8217;re just wasting time, they get no credit.</p>
<p>The problem is that some of these students are creative and smart and will find holes in my question that I didn&#8217;t see.  Although this question has so many separate legal issues, they probably won&#8217;t have time to do much factual musing.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura(southernxyl)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura(southernxyl)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-706003&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-706003&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sitzpinkler&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: West &gt;&#160;East
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Ha!</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-706003" rel="nofollow">sitzpinkler</a></strong>: West &gt;&nbsp;East
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<p>Ha!</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan Rosenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan Rosenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to sue USC because its employee, Priam, was acting in his official capacity when he threw a party to further the interests of the school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to sue USC because its employee, Priam, was acting in his official capacity when he threw a party to further the interests of the school.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Slater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Slater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EV:

I teach Torts too, and there&#039;s a lot of fun stuff (well, from a prof&#039;s perspective) in there, but I wanted to ask you explicitly about what a couple of folks have mentioned above:  the final clause stating, &quot;If some fact on which your answer would turn isn’t included in the question, state this, and state how the fact would affect your answer.&quot;

That seems to me to be a recipe for problems, especially in testing a first semester class.  I always tell my students NOT to make up or add any additional facts.  I understand that sometimes an exam question has unintended ambiguities or even factual gaps.  But I wouldn&#039;t want to invite speculation (&quot;well, if defendant had a gun,&quot; &quot;if there was some pre-existing problem,&quot; etc.).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EV:</p>
<p>I teach Torts too, and there&#8217;s a lot of fun stuff (well, from a prof&#8217;s perspective) in there, but I wanted to ask you explicitly about what a couple of folks have mentioned above:  the final clause stating, &#8220;If some fact on which your answer would turn isn’t included in the question, state this, and state how the fact would affect your answer.&#8221;</p>
<p>That seems to me to be a recipe for problems, especially in testing a first semester class.  I always tell my students NOT to make up or add any additional facts.  I understand that sometimes an exam question has unintended ambiguities or even factual gaps.  But I wouldn&#8217;t want to invite speculation (&#8220;well, if defendant had a gun,&#8221; &#8220;if there was some pre-existing problem,&#8221; etc.).</p>
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		<title>By: DjDiverDan</title>
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		<dc:creator>DjDiverDan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is precisely why I hated Torts in Law School -- and why I have absolutely no respect for most PI lawyers now.  Rather than asking a question which requires some detailed analysis of a complex issue (which would actually show more than a passing familiarity with the subject matter), you ask a question which asks students to &quot;spot all the issues&quot;, without requiring them to actually analyze them.  This is also why most PI Plaintiff&#039;s lawyers file really ridiculous &quot;shotgun approach&quot; Complaints - list all the possible torts they can think of (i.e., in your fact scenario, Menelaus suing Paris for alienation of affection, even though most states have legislatively eliminated such a cause of action), even if they have no real factual basis (like if one of the essential elements is missing) or legal authority.  Also, I think a student could get through your exam without ever addressing important issues like proximate cause, causation in fact, or independent intervening cause (Could Hades escape liability for Cerberus&#039; actions because Midas&#039; experimentation with ultrasonic blasts, which either violated local sound pollution ordinances or constituted a common law nuisance, was an unforeseeable intervening cause?  Even if Hades was negligent in not caging Cerberus, in violation of state law, he&#039;s still not liable if he can show an independent source of causation that was not reasonably foreseeable.  Does Hades, who himself has violated the law, still get the benefit of the legal presumption that others, like Midas, will act in accordance with the law?) Sorry, EV, I still like many of your posts, but the fact that you teach Torts and test in this manner has lowered you in my estimation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is precisely why I hated Torts in Law School &#8212; and why I have absolutely no respect for most PI lawyers now.  Rather than asking a question which requires some detailed analysis of a complex issue (which would actually show more than a passing familiarity with the subject matter), you ask a question which asks students to &#8220;spot all the issues&#8221;, without requiring them to actually analyze them.  This is also why most PI Plaintiff&#8217;s lawyers file really ridiculous &#8220;shotgun approach&#8221; Complaints &#8211; list all the possible torts they can think of (i.e., in your fact scenario, Menelaus suing Paris for alienation of affection, even though most states have legislatively eliminated such a cause of action), even if they have no real factual basis (like if one of the essential elements is missing) or legal authority.  Also, I think a student could get through your exam without ever addressing important issues like proximate cause, causation in fact, or independent intervening cause (Could Hades escape liability for Cerberus&#8217; actions because Midas&#8217; experimentation with ultrasonic blasts, which either violated local sound pollution ordinances or constituted a common law nuisance, was an unforeseeable intervening cause?  Even if Hades was negligent in not caging Cerberus, in violation of state law, he&#8217;s still not liable if he can show an independent source of causation that was not reasonably foreseeable.  Does Hades, who himself has violated the law, still get the benefit of the legal presumption that others, like Midas, will act in accordance with the law?) Sorry, EV, I still like many of your posts, but the fact that you teach Torts and test in this manner has lowered you in my estimation.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and in the meantime, the first-year MBAs over at the B-school will be answering a question on company valuation that actually relates to the profession they&#039;re training for, and will get them a good job assuming continued economic recovery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and in the meantime, the first-year MBAs over at the B-school will be answering a question on company valuation that actually relates to the profession they&#8217;re training for, and will get them a good job assuming continued economic recovery.</p>
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