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	<title>Comments on: Supreme Court Grants Cert on Fourth Amendment Protection in Text Messages</title>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 20:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to include some basic details regarding grants. Grants typically support non-profit businesses, intermediary lending institutions, and state and local authorities. Most of the federal grants are given to particular targeted organizations with distinct needs.</description>
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		<title>By: Faith and The Law &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The YouTube Bully and the Sex-Messaging Cop: Courts Stick Up for Rights Of Online Troublemakers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faith and The Law &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The YouTube Bully and the Sex-Messaging Cop: Courts Stick Up for Rights Of Online Troublemakers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fight on the bench worked what Orin Kerr on Volokh&#8217;s Conspiracy calls &#8220;that old Ninth Circuit magic.&#8221; A conservative judge (Ikuta) protested a management [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cockle Law Brief Printing, Co. Blog</title>
		<link>http://volokh.com/2009/12/14/supreme-court-grants-cert-on-fourth-amendment-protection-in-text-messages/comment-page-1/#comment-713098</link>
		<dc:creator>Cockle Law Brief Printing, Co. Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Law Blog and Slate’s Double XX Blog discussed the case at length.  Last week, Orin Kerr at the Volokh Conspiracy noted that the Ninth Circuit’s opinion in Quon was written by a liberal panel and drew a heated [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Law Blog and Slate’s Double XX Blog discussed the case at length.  Last week, Orin Kerr at the Volokh Conspiracy noted that the Ninth Circuit’s opinion in Quon was written by a liberal panel and drew a heated [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Waxx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Waxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me see if I understand the standards here on this blog:

It&#039;s somehow uncivil or illogical to note the politics of a judge or the person who appointed the judge, but it&#039;s just peachy to insinuate that the SC is motivated by animus against liberal decisions from the 9th circuit. 

I seem to recall from previous threads that it&#039;s also out of bounds to say that the 9th circuit has a disproportionate number of wacky decisions, which by sheer coincidence would be the only explanation other than animus for increased scrutiny of their decisions.

Interesting array of conversational norms.  It&#039;s almost as if someone is covering for some group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me see if I understand the standards here on this blog:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s somehow uncivil or illogical to note the politics of a judge or the person who appointed the judge, but it&#8217;s just peachy to insinuate that the SC is motivated by animus against liberal decisions from the 9th circuit. </p>
<p>I seem to recall from previous threads that it&#8217;s also out of bounds to say that the 9th circuit has a disproportionate number of wacky decisions, which by sheer coincidence would be the only explanation other than animus for increased scrutiny of their decisions.</p>
<p>Interesting array of conversational norms.  It&#8217;s almost as if someone is covering for some group.</p>
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		<title>By: Tuesday round-up &#124; SCOTUSblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tuesday round-up &#124; SCOTUSblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the blogosphere, Orin Kerr at the Volokh Conspiracy attributes the grant in Quon – which he describes as a “splitless” and otherwise [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John Wesley Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Wesley Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes SCOTUS&#039;s cert grants remind me of the dogs in the movie &quot;Up&quot;:  &quot;Squirrel!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes SCOTUS&#8217;s cert grants remind me of the dogs in the movie &#8220;Up&#8221;:  &#8220;Squirrel!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Boyden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Boyden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s too bad the Supreme Court won&#039;t be considering the definition of &quot;remote computing service.&quot; Now THAT would be an interesting case!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s too bad the Supreme Court won&#8217;t be considering the definition of &#8220;remote computing service.&#8221; Now THAT would be an interesting case!</p>
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		<title>By: Visitor Again</title>
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		<dc:creator>Visitor Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If people gave a damn about their privacy, they&#039;d boycott cell phones--refusing both to buy them and to use them--until adequate privacy protections were in place in the law, either statutory or constitutional.  An effective boycott would soon bring about pressure for a change in the law.  But they don&#039;t value their privacy--as demonstrated by their passive acceptance of the U.S. Supreme Court&#039;s absurd notion that use of third party facilities renders fourth amendment privacy protections null in most circumstances--and they deserve what they get.  

I have never owned or used a cell phone, in part because of the lack of privacy, but also because I still value being left alone until I choose not to be left alone, and my exclusive use of a land telephone line with message-taking capability serves that purpose admirably.  While I do not question that cell phones are of value in many circumstances, the need to be in constant communication with everyone and anyone at all times has become a widespread obsession in our society, although I suppose what others obsess over is none of my business.

The California State Bar has said it will soon require every member to have a working e-mail address.  So now a computer and an Internet connection are compulsory if one wants to practice law.  I suppose the day is not far off when the California State Bar will require its members to have a working cell phone number, too, perhaps with a mobile Internet connection, so that it can pester them 24/7 in its frantic efforts to justify its outrageous membership fees.  And like little lambs, the membership will meekly accept it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If people gave a damn about their privacy, they&#8217;d boycott cell phones&#8211;refusing both to buy them and to use them&#8211;until adequate privacy protections were in place in the law, either statutory or constitutional.  An effective boycott would soon bring about pressure for a change in the law.  But they don&#8217;t value their privacy&#8211;as demonstrated by their passive acceptance of the U.S. Supreme Court&#8217;s absurd notion that use of third party facilities renders fourth amendment privacy protections null in most circumstances&#8211;and they deserve what they get.  </p>
<p>I have never owned or used a cell phone, in part because of the lack of privacy, but also because I still value being left alone until I choose not to be left alone, and my exclusive use of a land telephone line with message-taking capability serves that purpose admirably.  While I do not question that cell phones are of value in many circumstances, the need to be in constant communication with everyone and anyone at all times has become a widespread obsession in our society, although I suppose what others obsess over is none of my business.</p>
<p>The California State Bar has said it will soon require every member to have a working e-mail address.  So now a computer and an Internet connection are compulsory if one wants to practice law.  I suppose the day is not far off when the California State Bar will require its members to have a working cell phone number, too, perhaps with a mobile Internet connection, so that it can pester them 24/7 in its frantic efforts to justify its outrageous membership fees.  And like little lambs, the membership will meekly accept it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention The Volokh Conspiracy » Blog Archive » Supreme Court Grants Cert on Fourth Amendment Protection in Text Messages -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Peter Black, Eugene Volokh. Eugene Volokh said: Supreme Court Grants Cert on Fourth Amendment Protection in Text Messages: The Supreme Court announced this mor.. http://bit.ly/6BkVcH [...]</description>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would this be any different than voice mails on government-issued cell
phone accounts? Cell phones are third-party providers and the issuing agency
would undoubtedly require users to sign releases warning that all voice mails
are subject to monitoring or review at any time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would this be any different than voice mails on government-issued cell<br />
phone accounts? Cell phones are third-party providers and the issuing agency<br />
would undoubtedly require users to sign releases warning that all voice mails<br />
are subject to monitoring or review at any time.</p>
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		<title>By: MK</title>
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		<dc:creator>MK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, maybe the fact that soooo many commentators have beeh lauding the Ninth Circuit&#039;s decision vis-a-vis privacy protections in the workplace, the Supremes decided it was best to squish now those little hopes for using the case as a vehicle for broader arguments in the er-ee setting now rather than waiting for it to metastasize.  Plus it may be really hard for some on the Supreme Court to reconcile the sordid facts in the case with the result reached by Wardlaw, a factual circumstance Wardlaw took pains to diminish, sweep under the rug, what have you.

[OK Comments: But why squish now?  It&#039;s so much more fun to squish when there&#039;s a split.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, maybe the fact that soooo many commentators have beeh lauding the Ninth Circuit&#8217;s decision vis-a-vis privacy protections in the workplace, the Supremes decided it was best to squish now those little hopes for using the case as a vehicle for broader arguments in the er-ee setting now rather than waiting for it to metastasize.  Plus it may be really hard for some on the Supreme Court to reconcile the sordid facts in the case with the result reached by Wardlaw, a factual circumstance Wardlaw took pains to diminish, sweep under the rug, what have you.</p>
<p>[OK Comments: But why squish now?  It's so much more fun to squish when there's a split.]</p>
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		<title>By: ADF Alliance Alert &#187; Supreme Court may hear appeal on workers&#8217; text message privacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>ADF Alliance Alert &#187; Supreme Court may hear appeal on workers&#8217; text message privacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Orin Kerr at the Volokh Conspiracy: Supreme Court Grants Cert on Fourth Amendment Protection in Text Messages [...]</description>
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		<title>By: DNJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DNJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave N, 

Regarding Pinholster, I was rather amused by Judge Smith&#039;s rebuke to Chief Judge Kozinski in the majority opinion: 

&quot;Despite our dissenting colleague&#039;s well-known flair for &#039;creative&#039; writing, it is not appropriate for a federal appellate court to conjure up evidence that does not exist...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave N, </p>
<p>Regarding Pinholster, I was rather amused by Judge Smith&#8217;s rebuke to Chief Judge Kozinski in the majority opinion: </p>
<p>&#8220;Despite our dissenting colleague&#8217;s well-known flair for &#8216;creative&#8217; writing, it is not appropriate for a federal appellate court to conjure up evidence that does not exist&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Slater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Slater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Splitless and factbound&quot; was going to be the name of my first album.  Oh well.

To the legal issue, maybe some justices wants to craft something more specific than the general balancing test of &lt;em&gt;O&#039;Connor&lt;/em&gt;.  Or maybe they want to add another hurdle for employees claiming Constitutional violations by public employers, as the court did for First Amendment claims with &lt;em&gt;Garcetti&lt;/em&gt;.  The third-party provider does seem to make things more complicated, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Splitless and factbound&#8221; was going to be the name of my first album.  Oh well.</p>
<p>To the legal issue, maybe some justices wants to craft something more specific than the general balancing test of <em>O&#8217;Connor</em>.  Or maybe they want to add another hurdle for employees claiming Constitutional violations by public employers, as the court did for First Amendment claims with <em>Garcetti</em>.  The third-party provider does seem to make things more complicated, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Out of Iowa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Out of Iowa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why isn&#039;t this case governed by the &quot;Pen Register Cases?&quot; see e.g., Smith v. Maryland. The sender turned over the information to a private third party (Arch Wireless) so he couldn&#039;t have had a legitimate expectation of privacy in the contents of the messages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why isn&#8217;t this case governed by the &#8220;Pen Register Cases?&#8221; see e.g., Smith v. Maryland. The sender turned over the information to a private third party (Arch Wireless) so he couldn&#8217;t have had a legitimate expectation of privacy in the contents of the messages.</p>
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		<title>By: Nevadausa**</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nevadausa**</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Orin:

Would an administrative subpoena by the governmental body seeking Quon&#039;s texts (assuming such authority exits) obviate a 4th Amendment challenge?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Orin:</p>
<p>Would an administrative subpoena by the governmental body seeking Quon&#8217;s texts (assuming such authority exits) obviate a 4th Amendment challenge?</p>
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		<title>By: guy in the veal calf office</title>
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		<dc:creator>guy in the veal calf office</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really hope the term &quot;splitless&quot; does not catch on.</description>
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		<title>By: Dave N.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think even the judges on the 9th Circuit recognize that they are, at times, under a microscope -- and the liberal judges sometimes act in a tactical manner with that realization.

For example, last week, an &lt;em&gt;en banc&lt;/em&gt; 9th Circuit panel decided a death penalty case, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2009/12/09/03-99003.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Pinholster v. Ayers&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. Chief Judge Kozinski wrote a sharply worded cert. petition in the form of a dissent. The liberal majority assigned the case to Judge Milan Smith, a relatively conservative Bush43 appointee, who brought along Judge Bybee.

As a result, an &lt;em&gt;en banc&lt;/em&gt; panel with a 6-5 liberal/conservative split ended up voting 8-3 to grant habeas relief on the penalty phase. While I believe &lt;em&gt;Pinholster&lt;/em&gt; still has a high probability of a cert. grant, I also believe the odds are slightly lower than if Judge Reinhardt, as opposed to Judge Smith, had written the majority opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think even the judges on the 9th Circuit recognize that they are, at times, under a microscope &#8212; and the liberal judges sometimes act in a tactical manner with that realization.</p>
<p>For example, last week, an <em>en banc</em> 9th Circuit panel decided a death penalty case, <a href="http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2009/12/09/03-99003.pdf" rel="nofollow"><em>Pinholster v. Ayers</em></a>. Chief Judge Kozinski wrote a sharply worded cert. petition in the form of a dissent. The liberal majority assigned the case to Judge Milan Smith, a relatively conservative Bush43 appointee, who brought along Judge Bybee.</p>
<p>As a result, an <em>en banc</em> panel with a 6-5 liberal/conservative split ended up voting 8-3 to grant habeas relief on the penalty phase. While I believe <em>Pinholster</em> still has a high probability of a cert. grant, I also believe the odds are slightly lower than if Judge Reinhardt, as opposed to Judge Smith, had written the majority opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: troll_dc2</title>
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		<dc:creator>troll_dc2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Court took only one of the cert petitions. It did not take Arch Wireless&#039;s. What does this mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Court took only one of the cert petitions. It did not take Arch Wireless&#8217;s. What does this mean?</p>
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