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		<title>By: employee handbook</title>
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		<dc:creator>employee handbook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should note that not too long ago our personnel happen to be finding it difficult to understand all our policies so we bought some software to achieve it for us. Things have been up hill since that time. Much appreciation for the good article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should note that not too long ago our personnel happen to be finding it difficult to understand all our policies so we bought some software to achieve it for us. Things have been up hill since that time. Much appreciation for the good article.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just thought I’d mention that the following news may be peripherally relevant: 
&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2009/12/15/22-million-Bush-e-mail-messages-recovered/UPI-23611260880382/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;22 million Bush e-mail messages recovered&quot;&lt;/A&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just thought I’d mention that the following news may be peripherally relevant:<br />
<a HREF="http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2009/12/15/22-million-Bush-e-mail-messages-recovered/UPI-23611260880382/" rel="nofollow">&#8220;22 million Bush e-mail messages recovered&#8221;</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Kestrel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kestrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-706669&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-706669&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Soronel Haetir&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: One other issue that I thought of here is that in many states these sorts of communications would appear to be covered under open records laws. Given my understanding that people can waive rights to obtain government employment I would certainly think state law would control over what a local supervisor verbally tells someone.
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I work for a governmental entity and it would never occur to me that anything I texted on a government-owned device would be anything other than a public record available to anyone and everyone who asked to see it.</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-706669" rel="nofollow">Soronel Haetir</a></strong>: One other issue that I thought of here is that in many states these sorts of communications would appear to be covered under open records laws. Given my understanding that people can waive rights to obtain government employment I would certainly think state law would control over what a local supervisor verbally tells someone.
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<p>I work for a governmental entity and it would never occur to me that anything I texted on a government-owned device would be anything other than a public record available to anyone and everyone who asked to see it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tuesday round-up &#124; SCOTUSblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tuesday round-up &#124; SCOTUSblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Blog also discusses the case’s ramifications for employee privacy at work.  In a separate Volokh post, Kerr breaks down how the case may affect the protection of government workers’ privacy [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Blog also discusses the case’s ramifications for employee privacy at work.  In a separate Volokh post, Kerr breaks down how the case may affect the protection of government workers’ privacy [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Slater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Slater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, Orin.  Do you think the Supreme Court&#039;s later decision in &lt;em&gt;NTEU v. Von Raab&lt;/em&gt; (4th Amendment in public employee drug testing) helped to clarify what the Supreme Court thought the applicable test should be?  It seems to me that it at least relied in decent part on the &quot;reasonable expectation of privacy vs. special government needs&quot; approach of the plurality in &lt;em&gt;O&#039;Connor&lt;/em&gt;.  Of course, drug testing is not the same sort of thing, factually, as a search of a workplace.  But then again, neither are text messages.

It also might be worth considering the other &quot;Constitutional rights in public employment&quot; cases, e.g., the First Amendment cases (&lt;em&gt;Connick&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Pickering&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Garcetti&lt;/em&gt;), most of which rely at least in the most part on some balancing test which weighs the level of intrusion on the employee&#039;s right against the government employer&#039;s interest as an &lt;em&gt;employer&lt;/em&gt;, as opposed to as the government.

In any case, I look forward to reading whatever further thoughts you have on this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Orin.  Do you think the Supreme Court&#8217;s later decision in <em>NTEU v. Von Raab</em> (4th Amendment in public employee drug testing) helped to clarify what the Supreme Court thought the applicable test should be?  It seems to me that it at least relied in decent part on the &#8220;reasonable expectation of privacy vs. special government needs&#8221; approach of the plurality in <em>O&#8217;Connor</em>.  Of course, drug testing is not the same sort of thing, factually, as a search of a workplace.  But then again, neither are text messages.</p>
<p>It also might be worth considering the other &#8220;Constitutional rights in public employment&#8221; cases, e.g., the First Amendment cases (<em>Connick</em>, <em>Pickering</em>, <em>Garcetti</em>), most of which rely at least in the most part on some balancing test which weighs the level of intrusion on the employee&#8217;s right against the government employer&#8217;s interest as an <em>employer</em>, as opposed to as the government.</p>
<p>In any case, I look forward to reading whatever further thoughts you have on this case.</p>
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		<title>By: rxc</title>
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		<dc:creator>rxc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a former government employee, I can say that everyone I know understands that government computers, and ALL the stuff in them, and ALL the stuff in the servers, is the property of the govt, and the govt has the right to look at ALL of it, at any time, for any reason.  Therefore, even though the govt may be nice to you and let you use their computer to post stuff to, for example, the Volokh conspiracy, you should not write anything that you would not want to read on the front page of the Washington Post.  Or that you would not want your mother to read...

This also means that you should not leave anything risque in your desk or on the walls of your cube.  It is a sad statement about the state of affairs, but it is clear to me that life in a government workspace should be as sterile as possible.  Leave any parts of your life that could possibly be construed as offensive by anyone, outside your workplace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former government employee, I can say that everyone I know understands that government computers, and ALL the stuff in them, and ALL the stuff in the servers, is the property of the govt, and the govt has the right to look at ALL of it, at any time, for any reason.  Therefore, even though the govt may be nice to you and let you use their computer to post stuff to, for example, the Volokh conspiracy, you should not write anything that you would not want to read on the front page of the Washington Post.  Or that you would not want your mother to read&#8230;</p>
<p>This also means that you should not leave anything risque in your desk or on the walls of your cube.  It is a sad statement about the state of affairs, but it is clear to me that life in a government workspace should be as sterile as possible.  Leave any parts of your life that could possibly be construed as offensive by anyone, outside your workplace.</p>
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		<title>By: Soronel Haetir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Soronel Haetir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>earch of J,

I&#039;ve seen a couple cases where private employees using company equipment nevertheless were able to keep materials out of court on privacy grounds.

Personally I think that is nuts, your employer owns the equipment, and owns your time, anything you produce under those circumstances should belong to the employer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>earch of J,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen a couple cases where private employees using company equipment nevertheless were able to keep materials out of court on privacy grounds.</p>
<p>Personally I think that is nuts, your employer owns the equipment, and owns your time, anything you produce under those circumstances should belong to the employer.</p>
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		<title>By: Soronel Haetir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Soronel Haetir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other issue that I thought of here is that in many states these sorts of communications would appear to be covered under open records laws.  Given my understanding that people can waive rights to obtain government employment I would certainly think state law would control over what a local supervisor verbally tells someone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other issue that I thought of here is that in many states these sorts of communications would appear to be covered under open records laws.  Given my understanding that people can waive rights to obtain government employment I would certainly think state law would control over what a local supervisor verbally tells someone.</p>
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		<title>By: ohiolawdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>ohiolawdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I first read about this case in an LA Times article linked on How Appealing.  The article began, &quot;The Supreme Court said Monday it would rule for the first time on whether employees have a right to privacy when they send text messages on electronic devices supplied by their employers.&quot;  I feel like the press coverage of this case gives the general impression that this case will decide the privacy rights of private employees.  To be fair, the NY Times article mentions at the start that this was a government pager.  

The LA Times says, &quot;While the 4th Amendment applies only to the government, many judges rely on the high court&#039;s privacy rulings in deciding disputes in the private sector, legal experts say.&quot;  Does anyone have any sense of how accurate this is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I first read about this case in an LA Times article linked on How Appealing.  The article began, &#8220;The Supreme Court said Monday it would rule for the first time on whether employees have a right to privacy when they send text messages on electronic devices supplied by their employers.&#8221;  I feel like the press coverage of this case gives the general impression that this case will decide the privacy rights of private employees.  To be fair, the NY Times article mentions at the start that this was a government pager.  </p>
<p>The LA Times says, &#8220;While the 4th Amendment applies only to the government, many judges rely on the high court&#8217;s privacy rulings in deciding disputes in the private sector, legal experts say.&#8221;  Does anyone have any sense of how accurate this is?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, well then I guess that I&#039;m happy with the sui generis framework for public employees, if it merely tracks the protections given to a private-sector employee as against a policeman-acting-with-consent-of-boss.  Orin, you &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://orinkerr.com/index.php?s=reasonbable&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mentioned&lt;/A&gt; in 2006 that, &quot;it’s important not to let that different framework created for the specific needs of public-sector workplaces bleed over into the private sector.&quot;  I think an orderly development of the law in this area would more closely and explicitly link the two sectors.  Anyway, I haven&#039;t delved into the specific facts of &lt;em&gt;Quon&lt;/em&gt;, so I&#039;ll recuse myself from commenting any more about the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, well then I guess that I&#8217;m happy with the sui generis framework for public employees, if it merely tracks the protections given to a private-sector employee as against a policeman-acting-with-consent-of-boss.  Orin, you <a HREF="http://orinkerr.com/index.php?s=reasonbable" rel="nofollow">mentioned</a> in 2006 that, &#8220;it’s important not to let that different framework created for the specific needs of public-sector workplaces bleed over into the private sector.&#8221;  I think an orderly development of the law in this area would more closely and explicitly link the two sectors.  Anyway, I haven&#8217;t delved into the specific facts of <em>Quon</em>, so I&#8217;ll recuse myself from commenting any more about the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Orin Kerr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Orin Kerr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, 

The sui generis framework basically does that through the focus on government workplace policies.  You can think of the government workplace policy as equivalent to the employer&#039;s policy about what they would do if the police came and asked for consent.  In other words, the workplace policy essentially stands in the place of the employer who would be in a position to allow or forbid consent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, </p>
<p>The sui generis framework basically does that through the focus on government workplace policies.  You can think of the government workplace policy as equivalent to the employer&#8217;s policy about what they would do if the police came and asked for consent.  In other words, the workplace policy essentially stands in the place of the employer who would be in a position to allow or forbid consent.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’ve never considered this issue before, and my initial reaction was: why not just give public employees the same 4th Amendment protection from the boss-with-badge that private employees have from the combination of boss+policeman? That would be the most straightforward approach, just like it would also be most straightforward to apply the same protections to state workers as to federal workers.  However, that approach might not work very well, because the private-sector boss can be incredibly intrusive without violating the Fourth Amendment, and that incredible intrusiveness would not be appropriate for a public-sector boss.

So, why not give public employees the same 4th Amendment protection from the boss-with-badge that private employees have from the policeman-acting-with-consent-of-boss (which is different from boss+policeman)?  Have any justices, judges, litigants, or scholars advocated that sort of simple solution?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve never considered this issue before, and my initial reaction was: why not just give public employees the same 4th Amendment protection from the boss-with-badge that private employees have from the combination of boss+policeman? That would be the most straightforward approach, just like it would also be most straightforward to apply the same protections to state workers as to federal workers.  However, that approach might not work very well, because the private-sector boss can be incredibly intrusive without violating the Fourth Amendment, and that incredible intrusiveness would not be appropriate for a public-sector boss.</p>
<p>So, why not give public employees the same 4th Amendment protection from the boss-with-badge that private employees have from the policeman-acting-with-consent-of-boss (which is different from boss+policeman)?  Have any justices, judges, litigants, or scholars advocated that sort of simple solution?</p>
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