At the time she grabbed a weapon and tried to kill her interrogators, she was a prisoner. Prisoners are protected persons, hors d’ combat. They may not be harmed, nor may they harm their captors, unless and until they have been exchanged or have made good their escape. Once they have gotten away, their combatant status is restored, and they may lawfully kill and be killed an accordance with the laws of war. Hypothetically, a P.O.W. who brains the guard bringing him dinner is guilty of criminal assault and may be tried and punished as a criminal as though he had been a member of the detaining power.

The air is thick with cognitive dissonance. No wonder Kevin MacDonald goes on at length about deception and self deception. Why do you guys make it so easy, other than the fact that it is so easy, cuz the lemmings are real dumb?

Captainchaos: No wonder you will not reply to my substantive criticisms and statement of facts, you cannot.

No one can reply to what does not exist.

This too shall end, as it has every time before. Except, this time, there is no redoubt, which is the most powerful argument one could muster to see you change your ways.

Ricardo:
Wearing the uniform and being part of the chain of command of a recognized fighting force, in general.Otherwise, you can either be considered a war criminal for violating the Geneva Convention’s requirement to wear a uniform or else you can be considered an ordinary criminal — anti-terrorism laws do not always require you commit the act within the jurisdiction of the U.S.

Doesn’t a competent tribunal have to make that determination before an individual can be tried for crimes, though?

ChrisTS:
I’m shocked.I would have thought EV’s gentile blood to be only of the highest quality.How were the organs?

How should I know? You think I stuck around after he screwed up the centerpiece of Jewish cuisine? I was out swindling farmers, suing old Germans for reparations, and smuggling Al Sharpton’s sperm into William Shockley’s sperm bank. And I still made it home in time for my nightly viewing of Schindler’s List.

leo marvin: Captainchaos,I realize it’s early, but have you made plans yet for the first night of Passover? Let us know if you need a Sedar invite. (If Eugene asks you to his house, don’t go. I was there last year, and the gentile blood wasn’t fresh.)

I’m shocked. I would have thought EV’s gentile blood to be only of the highest quality. How were the organs?

I realize it’s early, but have you made plans yet for the first night of Passover? Let us know if you need a Sedar invite. (If Eugene asks you to his house, don’t go. I was there last year, and the gentile blood wasn’t fresh.)

That every last one of you would not dream of residing for the balance of your lives in the kind of Third World nightmare that Third World peoples actually produce, and chose to live in White majority societies is all too telling. Yet you ostensibly refuse to make the connection, refuse to bring to the fore the glaring rent between what you profess and what you do. Why is that?

NickM: Perhaps the answer is just that the intelligent fanatics stand out because they are the ones leading movements, while the unintelligent ones are cannon fodder.Nick

I think there is real truth in this.

Nick

I think this question of why ‘intelligent’ – and educated – people are susceptible to fanaticism is important, as Oren suggests.

Many of us believe that education and strengthening the mental muscle militates against irrationalism. In fact, in a general way, I believe this is true. Of course, I have no figures on how many of the fanatical class are intelligent/educated, so it might be true that education and critical thinking are useful in combating fanaticism for the majority of persons.

Still, it is troubling that ‘smart’ and educated people often seem to fall under the spell of blind ideology. I have two thoughts on this: 1) The better educated one, is as compared with one’s cultural peers, the more likely one is to perceive injustice (and to believe it can be remedied?) 2) The more intelligent one is, the less likely one is to be accepting of things as they are. I think these facts account for the tendency of [many] intelligent and educated people to be ‘radical’ and/or activist.

But that such people become fanatics – for whom neither facts nor counter-arguments are relevant –seems to me to be the difficult part to explain. I rather think we could assume a minimum of two circumstances: a) these people are witnesses to or subjected to such [perceived or real] injustice, that any capacity for moderation or reasonableness is overwhelmed; b) that some of these people, however intelligent and/or educated, suffer from emotional/psychological defects.

If I am anywhere close to correct – for these two kinds of cases – efforts to combat fanaticism through socio-political means would likely be effective only in the first kind of case.

Probably the only way to minimize the number of persons, or the severity of their ‘madness,’ in the second type of case would be to minimize exposure to fanatical ideas. But, of course, in this day of the internet and scream radio, this would mean greater censorship as well as more effective education.

So, now I am [further] depressed.

Ariel: He found that the degree of freedom in a society was correlated to being a terrorist. The most free societies were least likely to produce them, as were the most suppressed. But the ones that were in an intermediate state had the highest propensity.

At the risk of being a pain, can you provide a citation or link? I’m interested.

And I may have overstated my case — I am talking about Jews who think that purely secular learning, divorced from any consciousness of the Creator and any sense of moral values, is a Jewish value.

On that we agree — secular learning is complementary to religious learning, not a replacement for (or a divorce from) it.

Okay, I see I scrambled the acronym, but I still don’t know what it stands for.

TYVM is “Thank you very much” almost invariably with the dismissive connotation.

Temecula Valley Young Marines
Tamecula Valley Young Marines
Training for Volunteers in Youth Ministry.

I’m pretty sure none of them are what you meant. Please enlighten?

Ariel: Uh huh. Have you ever seen a psychiatrist? Oh wait, they’re largely Jews too, and probably anti-White.

Captaincahos is clearly smart enough to realize that even the ones who aren’t Jews are plying a profession that is inherently suspect because it was started by that Jew, Freud.

Captainchaos: Even the alleged ‘anti-racist’, Jew Jared Diamond, author of the social constructionist farce Guns, Germs, and Steel, hinted at his support for genetic testing as a measure for granting Israeli citizenship in the November 1993 issue of Nature. Just another in the long line of Jewish race-denying ‘scientists’ which includes Boas, Gould, Tooby and Pinker. Lying, genocidalist, anti-White filth all.

Welcome to the Storm Front annex.

Oren: Eh, both candidates are insipid.

Only one of them went out of her way to deny justice to a man who had been framed for child abuse and railroaded into a lengthy prison sentence on the basis of zero evidence, to the extent that a reviewing judge was shocked that the case had even been brought to prosecution.

orca: Wikipedia helpfully supplies a list of some of the terrorist attacks carried out by the Irgun

JJ did not ask about attacks carried out by Irgun Tzvi Leumi. He asked specifically about their attack on British army HQ at the King David Hotel. I stand by my response.

Chris Travers: My main concern here is if we start recounting atrocities from British Palestine, we get back to balancing Dair Yasin against some other issue, the confiscation of Arab land and exile of Arabs against the exile of Jews, and so forth.

JJ brought up the bombing of British army HQ and I responded. That’s all that happened.

Oren: The Rambam said that when we study science and mathematics we are studying God’s work and are drawn nearer to him. This is not a substitute for but complementary to and actually essential for religious study both because it develops the intellect required and because it allows one to identify which passages are to be interpreted figuratively and thus hold deeper secrets (“without the succor of demonstrative science one is condemned to misinterpret much of Scripture”).

Isn’t the Rambam talking about secular knowledge studied with the awareness that one is studying the works of the Creator? He does not seem to be talking about secular knowledge for its own sake.

Empirical knowledge is necessary, not sufficient for moral knowledge.

Here we agree.

Because European Jews were long alienated from scholarly learning and considered it contrary to God’s will?

I think you are overstating your case. Were there not Acharonim and Rioshonim who studied nature in appreciation of the Creator’s works? Were there not gedolim in Germany in the 19th and 20th centuries who did the same? Doesn’t Torah U’Madda have roots in the Brisker derech? And I may have overstated my case — I am talking about Jews who think that purely secular learning, divorced from any consciousness of the Creator and any sense of moral values, is a Jewish value.

Captainchaos: Even the alleged ‘anti-racist’, Jew Jared Diamond, author of the social constructionist farce Guns, Germs, and Steel, hinted at his support for genetic testing as a measure for granting Israeli citizenship in the November 1993 issue of Nature.

It’s pretty clear you haven’t actually read Guns, Germs, and Steel as it has nothing to do with social constructionism or with Richard Lewontin’s claim about the lack of scientific basis for racial classification. Aside from this, whether one is Jewish under Halakha law is determined by maternal ancestry so Jewish is not a “race” under any reasonable definition. Just as few people would call the rather pale-skinned offspring of the illicit tryst between Sally Hemmings and Thomas Jefferson “black.”

Chris Travers:
Why does 7/7 not count?

Because I said the European continent. Sorry for not being clearer.

What affirmative defences are available from a war zone for shooting at American forces?

I would imagine that if she comported herself in accordance with the laws of war (wore a uniform with distinctive markings, reported to a command structure) she might have a case that her conduct was lawful and that she’s a POW.

Unfortunately for her, she is nowhere close to a lawful combatant. At best, she’s a civilian, who are not entitled to attack soldiers (that would be perfidy, a big no-no).

I don’t think it’s that simple. There are no doubt plenty of people who can’t be deterred from acting on their convictions, good or bad, but I suspect a lot more submerge their controversial beliefs to social and legal norms.

Perhaps, but I don’t think it’s relevant either way. The mental framework for terrorism already assumes that social/legal norms are of no import in the struggle again whatever it is they are struggling against.

The UN partitioned Palestine into an Arab state and a Jewish state.

And if the UN partitioned Quebec into a French State and an English State, what would that mean for the FLQ? Exactly nothing.

I’m a rather staunch supporter (and citizen) of the State of Israel and I will be damned if her right to exist stems from the ‘vote’ of some diplomats meeting half the world away, mostly from countries with neither stake nor claim. No sir, I think the UN had quite nothing to do with it, TYVM (not that I begrudge their support by any means).

I’m voting for Brown, not so much because I think he’ll do a good job, but because I think the government does the least harm when it’s shared between two parties.

Captainchaos,

I’m a halfwit because I question whether genetic testing can establish political philosophy. Uh huh. Have you ever seen a psychiatrist? Oh wait, they’re largely Jews too, and probably anti-White. Maybe you should withdraw all your money from the Jew banks, and the Jew stock-traders. You never know where the Jews might get you. After all, if you keep your money in the Jew banks, the Jews might take the money they make, and ’cause they’re all Zionists, send it over to Israel. Did I mention that the CEO of Verizon is Jewish? Oh, and Israel invented the cell phone. Better disconnect your phone, and Internet, and get rid of your cell phone, too. Just to be safe. The Jews might get you otherwise. I’ve heard they’re sneaky.

OK, here’s some truth, buddarini:

The UN partitioned Palestine into an Arab state and a Jewish state.

Jews accepted the partition.

Arabs did not and launched an annihilationist war against Israel.

After the war the West Bank and Gaza were still in Arab hands but no Palestinian state was established; instead the areas were, uh, “occupied” by Egypt and Jordan.

So the truth is that the failure for a Palestinian state to come into existence is 100% the fault of Arabs, zero percent the fault of Israel.

PS – prior to the 1967 war Arabs proclaimed they were going to “finish what Hitler started”. But I won’t injure Jamal’s tender sensibilities by calling that “antisemitic”. After all Arabs are Semites too bwahaha.

Chris Travers: What affirmative defences are available from a war zone for shooting at American forces?

Wearing the uniform and being part of the chain of command of a recognized fighting force, in general. Otherwise, you can either be considered a war criminal for violating the Geneva Convention’s requirement to wear a uniform or else you can be considered an ordinary criminal — anti-terrorism laws do not always require you commit the act within the jurisdiction of the U.S.

Talk about projection LOL!

Maybe we can make the analogy a little more apropos:

U S police apprehend a French national, within the U S, carrying pounds of cyanide and documents with detailed plans about terror targets within Great Britain. Great Britain asks for and receives permission to interview the French national, who is still in U S custody. Inside a U S jail, the French national gains control of a firearm from a British agent and opens fire on the British personnel. British law makes it a crime to murder or attempt to murder a British citizen anywhere in the world. GB extradites the French national to Britain to stand trial for attempting to murder the British agents.

No doubt, nor did I say that they were, but to call a spade a spade whilst exulting without any real grasp of the interlocking relationship of said nor the real power and consequence they wield in this world is to betray a pedestrian mind utterly bent towards concentration on trivia. How many angels can dance on the head of a pin, just how shall I place these deck chairs before the old girl goes to the bottom of the ocean, isn’t that about your speed?