I need to write a paper for school. But is it cheating if I submit a paper you guys wrote but put my name on it? Or is that okay?(My factual claim was true, I should point out; I do need to write a paper for school this summer.) A few minutes later, I received the following response:
Thanks!
Orin
Dear Orin,Phew, that's a relief. Not only is there no plagiarism when you use Professays, as Eugene noted, but there's no cheating when you submit their paper with your name. After all, it's their job. (Why it being their job keeps you from cheating when you submit a paper you didn't write is left as an exercise for the reader.)
Thank you for your question. We'll be happy to work on your paper. No, it's not cheating because it's our job to help you in your studies.
Best regards,
The Professays Team
Incidentally, I followed up that exchange by asking the people at Professays if I had permission to post their response on my blog. They responded:
hi,Duly noted. Not only is there no plagiarism and no cheating, there is also freedom to choose. And how can anyone possibly object to that?
Yes, you can post our response. Please, also, add that every student is free to choose whether he/she wants to use this service or not. There is no force or manipulation.
Best regards,
The Professays Team
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Just take a look at Professays's "samples" page. There is a sample essay about the Nobel prize. And I've learned from that essay something I never knew before: That the Nobel prize was established in 1985!
I can't believe that I didn't notice this when it happened. But thanks to Professays's careful research, this shameful gap in my knowledge has been filled. It's a ground-breaking discovery of great import. The Nobel only 20 years old, and I never would have known without Professays.
No wonder this piece of scholarship made it onto the samples page, which is clearly the cream of the crop of Professays research.
I knew a professor that considered asking ANY question of another student about an assignment (and any included "How's it going?" or "Have you started yet?") academic dishonesty. I doubt he would agree that having them work on a paper was not cheating...
The Iraq piece also starts badly, with a statement that the military operations have closed and discusses "an comprehensive" solution. This is in the first paragraph. Of the sample.
I'm not sure the writers of these things aren't a little mischievous; they don't seem to be putting out A-level work and the citation to Abrahams (if I remember the book correctly, and I think I do) seems like a siren.
Alternatively, maybe a fundamentally corrupt idea like this just doesn't attract good people. Or maybe their highly expert staff of writers consists of.... well, non-experts.
I'm not surprised this product is out there - it has plenty of predecessors. I'm just surprised at the ridiculously low quality of the product.
--JRM
"Words are hard." - Beavis.
But I'm not sure I can make myself believe that's the case; common greed and incompetence are a simpler and more likely explanation.
The professional writers may be "university graduates from the different fields of study," but it doesn't look like the web designer graduated high school. His(/her) unbelievable inability to induce subjects and verbs to agree makes me suspect the entire setup is a sham. Everyone at the company who has looked at this page must either expect to sell only to incompetent students, or be incompetent himself. I almost think this is intended as a sting operation: we'll email an essay to you, and BCC it to your professor.
Still, if I trusted the writers to be competent I could come up with legitimate uses for the service. Say I need a devil's advocate on a topic (or, given the service's apparent quality, a straw man); I could hire Professays.com to write one up for me, which I could then critique. Or I could get them to write me an essay; I then use it to jumpstart my own ideas, or as an extra source of research material. Stretching, I know, but it is possible.
Still, having come up with the idea, I'm really tempted to start the sting-operation-website myself. "We'll embarass you in front of your professor and report you for academic dishonesty, for the low, low price of $20!"
If not, see here and here.
You'd think these students would at least customize a paper -- whether downloaded as a freebie or paid for trans-nasally (as at ProfEssays) -- to a level fitting their own abilities. Then again, I suppose we're not talking about the sharpest tools in the woodshed.
The prices you quote are PER PAGE. Thus, a 10-page rush job would run $350.
On the other hand, most undergraduate professors are so easily co-opted by sweet-talk and sucking up that they nobody really has to cheat.
Fratboys and Jocks are expected to cheat. Schools seem to defend their rights to recycle papers over and over again. But, if a non-fratboy attempts to do the same the schools love to crack down on them. http://tinyurl.com/b27r9
Also, if anyone reading this board has EVER submitted the same paper twice without permission, they are cheaters, and they should know that, in my mind, they are worse than terrorists, as terrorists are much more honest about their anti-intellectual hatred. You, on the other hand, have asserted that you work is your own, and then you probably went on to law school based on your fraud. (In fact, I know that one person who claims to be “friends” with one of the conspirators has told me about his undergraduate cheating. I don’t know if he really is friends, or if the conspirator knows. Personally, I will not associate with these cheaters, but many people look the other way. However, many law professors have a feeling that their favorite students cheated in college, don’t seem to care (perhaps because they cheated as well.)
The only thing about this service that is different, is that 1) they are so blatant about it; and 2) the essays are comically bad.
Boston University, at one point sued one of these essay places with almost no success.
And as a further response to Mark Draughn: I just finished my freshman year of college, and on reflection I realized that the real reason that writing style grated so much is that it's exactly like the writing of some of my...less studious...classmates in high school. I suppose the writers are just trying to match the skill levels of their prospective clients (though that still doesn't explain the equally egregious errors in the sales pitch). I just still have a hard time accepting that most people really write like that, despite some prolonged exposure.
Although this sort of thing pisses me off, I can't get too upset about some other types of cheating. That's because I've had instructors assign busy work. When an instructor says "I haven't assigned homework in a while, so why don't you do...um...all the odd numbered problems at the end of chapter 7 for Tuesday," I can't get all hacked-off if some students decide to split the assignment. I wouldn't, but I could understand why some people would, and I can't get mad about it.
This from their sample. It has to be a hoax. It reads like junior high school composition, and averages almost one factual error per sentence.
Professays is so obviously supported by those professors (hence the name, no?) who would like to fail the idiots in their classrooms, but need an excuse that would stand up in court.
-TS
One of the advantages of having a bar license is the ability to make very credible threats in such situations, I guess. I am glad to be able to say that a few emails (each of which copied the site's hosting provider, of course) quickly resulted in the essay's removal from all of the sites I found it on.
I'm sure I am not the only one who's had this happen, either. But I get enough Google hits on exact phrases from a few of my essays (several of which are linked by academic web sites and one of which was included in a textbook) to know that at least some professors are savvy enough to do searches to check for plagarism by their students. Using one of these sites, then, is not only fairly stupid, it also carries with it the very high probabolty that one would be paying the site for work they stole from someone else (which is doubly stupid if, as in the case of my essay, the original work is readily accessible - albeit with a copyright notice).
Sheesh. Is it academic dishonesty if you bought the paper and the toner cartridge that you printed the assignment out on rather than manufacturing it yourself? When it comes to fighting cheating, the teachers who don't know what is and isn't cheating are not helping.
My husband has a colleague who was quite irate that the dean refused to punish a student for academic dishonesty. The "dishonesty" in question was a typographical error in a footnote. (And it was a "non-fatal" error -- the student left out the year in the publication date, but did have the correct ISBN number.)
My husband's best plagiarism story is the student who was copying a lab report from some previous year (probably a sorority file.) Besides copying the data from the old report (so her data didn't match her lab partner's), when she was stapling it all up she managed to include one of the pages of the old report in the middle of her packet!
cathy :-)
My favorite story: one of my professors, as a grad student, was hired to write a Cliff's Notes-type guide to Shakespeare. He did about a third of the work, but felt the whole thing was too sleazy and bowed out. The company, however, owned the rights to what he had done, had someone else finish the guide, and published it. Years later, one of his student lifted five pages from the portion that he had written and turned it in. Oops.
His famous mother called my friend and brow beat him into agreeing to allow John to do a paper for extra credit so he could receive a passing grade. We were all waiting to see the scholar's work and when it finally arrived, it was a well written paper in beautiful Italian with nary a mistake. Obviously, not the work of failing first year language student and if further proof was needed, across the folder containing the paper, was handwritten, "Chow, have a nice summer, John"
We didn't see John again. He never returned to school.
The funny part is that this “Ashleys” and “Jennifers” only need a good LSAT score to get into the law school of their choice. After that, they make it their routine to brag about how smart they are and how good their school is.
So, let me ask you, Mr. Grad Student, how many people do you know who have graduated with Fs on their transcripts as well as some notation that they failed for being fraudsters? 10, 100? 1000? I would think that your number would be at least 1000, is it ?
Universities don't care about anything. Individuals who work at universities do, and from my own experience as a prof I believe both of your experiences can be true...the degree to which faculty and TAs take cheating seriously varies as much as the degree to which they take teaching seriously.
The problem with all zero-tolerance policies is that they discourage enforcement in at least two ways.
1) there's a tendency to ask why a student dumb enough to get caught should have their career ended when others are getting away with similar crimes...doesn't this happen for other forms of crime? IANAL, but I recall this argument being made in my one Criminal Law for undergrads elective many years ago.
2) the severity of the punishment means that the accused, in the exercise of their due process rights (which are obviously important) can mount a scorched earth defense that creates a nightmare for the accuser...especially if the institution doesn't provide much support...leading to rationalization of #1.
Note that in the Laura K Krishna story linked above, he ultimately didn't turn her in.
Anyhow, boo for outsourcing that gives those of us doing it (I work in Japan, so I guess I outsourced myself) a bad name.
The most memorable of instances came when two people handed in the very same "reflection paper" with very minimal modifications separating the two pages.
I also TA'ed for a large intro class where ESL cheating was rampant.
I do not think that the "show no mercy" method to cheaters is really that effective. One of my favourite professors let the class know how disappointed she was that someone cheated during that week's response papers to do the trick. You loved her dear old soul so much that cheating on her felt like blatantly stealing from your grandpa. I think a warning is more effective than retribution.
The biggest losers are the students who don’t have the ability to have 20 people proofread and “consult” with them but are trying their best. They might get a B or something, and the cheaters will get an A. In fields like Political Science, a B will take you out of the running for graduate school. But this is the way grad students like it.
Now, I'm not so sure that Professays is quite that sophisticated. After all, the excrutiatingly bad quality of their samples makes me wonder about the quality of the purchased material which, for a typical college student, is somewhat expensive. Still, I don't think we can discount the possibility that Professays has provided shoddy work as samples to prevent plagarism of its work. After all, they aren't fans of plagarism and cheating, right?
There is nothing crass about exposing cheaters. I have been threatened with lawsuits for doing so in the past (by her family, of course), but none of them have come to fruition.
To be fair, the schools could list the offending people, provide their pictures, and provide .pdfs of the offending material (and the material that it was copied from) so that future employers, graduate schools, and their families would know what kind of low-life scum would copy off the internet.
If you disagree with me on policy grounds (not privacy or due process grounds), I think you are a cheater or a professor who looks the other way.
Anyway, people who think that “warning” students or “laying on a guilt trip” is effective, are fooling themselves. If a professor does this, then everyone knows they are a pushover, and are too lazy, and stupid to ever punish the evil souls who lift stuff from the internet.
Absolutely. The first semester I taught history, I was really worried that I would get a bunch of really excellent term papers, and I would need to spend a lot of time figuring out if they were plagiarized from a published source or came from a term paper mill. Nope. There wasn't a single paper that made me wonder this. Only about one-fifth of the papers were what I would have expected from upper division history majors. The abominable sample essays would fit right into the mainstream.
I try to imagine a world where most college students are competent to construct a logical argument; know where to divide sentences into paragraphs; consistently write complete sentences; use more than two sources for a 15 page research paper. When I went off to college, I think that this was possible--and we were using typewriters--not word processors with spell checkers, grammar checkers, and the ability to quickly and painlessly rewrite the draft.
I went to a small private university and saw quite a few instances of cheating there.
I was a TA for Prof R., who made it his personal goal to catch and punish every cheater. We set traps for those we suspected of cheating, such as giving that person a multiple choice test that had the same questions in the same order as everyone else's, but had the answers scrambled. We caught one guy, and Prof R. flunked him, per school policy. Prof. R. learned not to go to the adminstration, because they only enforced their cheating policies if they had another reason to want the person out of the university.
In a class I took from Prof R., I saw a classmate cheating. I informed the cheater that he needed to confess to Prof R. or I would tell him myself. The cheater denied it, but turned bright red. He did go to the Prof. and was given leniency--an F on the assignment and a stern lecture.
By the time cheaters make it to college, they're pros due to apathetic high school teachers and administrators. All but 4 people in my public high school Trig. class cheated on the final, but the teacher didn't care when we told him. As long as everyone passed his class, the administration was happy--it didn't matter if they cheated their way through.
Set up a multi-university cooperative network of computers for plagarism-searching(PS).
1) Submit a Word .doc to your University's PS-unit
2) The PS will run the file through a _fast_ disassembler to extract key elements
3) The PS will them compare the key-elements of this paper to a database of previously submitted key elements (this is easier than it sounds using hash-tables and pattern-matching)
4) The PS will do a more detailed check for files that are onthe same topic and are vaugely close ... matching patterns of polysyllabic words for example.
5) The PS will then ask some regional or natinal PS for matches for X topic and A,B,C,D keywords, etc
6) The PS will add the file to its internal database for future checking again.
A major element is that with pattern-blocks or sets of polysyllabics, a match can be determined with low resources.
The other key is that while every paper in a University is on file, none are available until a nearly matching paper is put in as a search-request, so as to avoid cheaters using these papers as resources.
A converse to this may be to allow people to look at previous papers as reference material with the knowledge that it is from a central database that they cannot plagarize from and get away with as their paper will be compared immediately after they turn it in.