We are probably doing our FFL draft this weekend (early, yes, but that's what schedules seem to permit). I have the first pick in the draft (10 team league, serpentine draft order). I'm leaning strongly towards taking Manning. ESPN reports that in all of its leagues last year, 42.9% of the winning teams in its leagues had either Manning or Culpepper. My intuition is that even though Tomlinson seems to be thought to be the consensus number 1, the drop-off from Manning and Culpepper is so large compared to the drop-off from Tomlinson to about 12 other RB's, that it is worth burning the number 1 pick on Manning.
Last year my draft didn't turn out so great--I drafted Portis, Barlow, Steve Smith, Anquan Boldin, Jeremy Shockey, and David Boston with 6 of my first 7 picks (I also got Favre and Walker later, but that didn't help much). I don't recommend having your wide receiver corps completely decimated by halftime of the first week of the season. Anyway, Manning's consistency is looking pretty attractive right now too--and I'm a bit sour on the "stud RB's theory" as you might guess after "building" my team around Portis and Barlow last year.
Given that we have the smartest Comment board in town, I'll also ask if anyone has any sleeper recommendations. Also, does anyone know if Tatum Bell been given the starting job in Denver?
Also, congratulations to John Charles Bradbury, a GMU Economics PhD from a few years ago who now teaches at Sewanee (I served as the outside reader on his dissertation committee--a cool dissertation on bicameralism). More importantly, however, he makes an appearance in ESPN's Fantasy Football preview magazine as one of ther "Wise Guys," who are guys who provide advice in the issue on how to use statistics to draft more effectively. His advice: "When in doubt, default to facts, not premonitions" and gut feelings.
Wish I had read that last year before drafting Barlow in the second round...
That said, it may also be that my league's point system doesn't favor quarterbacks.
Good luck.
McNabb is an interesting possibility, but I would be surprised if he was still around by the 20th pick (I expect Manning and Culpepper to go in the first round, and McNabb and Green to go somewhere in the second round).
I too favor loading up with running backs early, Expect that there will be from 12 to 20 that will be truly productive, so that if you can get 3 of them, you will be well ahead of the league.
Nick
Manning is a good pick on a risk-adjusted basis. Less injury and performance risk than an RB like LT but slightly less upside.
My league has a similar scoring system and I pray I get picks 1 or 2 - its a great year for those slots.
I still would take Tomlinson. You should be able to grab someone like Kerry Collins when the draft comes back to you by the fourth/fifth round. By that time you'll have Tomlinson and possibly two other RBs (I'd suggest the Jones' - Kevin and Julius if they're still there in the 2nd/3rd).
If you're looking for both a quick and comprehensive draft guide, may I suggest Pro Football Prospectus 2005, a book I helped put together that just came out? In addition, if you make a donation to the website, you'll also get a quick and easy fantasy spreadsheet to bring with you to your draft.
guest1234--Barlow isn't, but last year I got caught up in the Barlow hype. Boy, did I learn my lesson. So someone should smack me for even mentioning Tatum Bell.
Frankly, if I were you, I would take LT with the first round, and take a good 2nd RB and a stud WR with picks 20 and 21 (provided McNabb is gone). You can get a QB in a later round.
The problem with trying to compare Manning vs. the 5th best QB or LT with the 10th best RB is that you have no idea who that 5th QB will necessarily be. I mean, look at last year -- Drew Brees? I don't see that many dependably fantastic QB's out there, particularly ones who are never hurt. Something crazy happens every year to torpedo the best laid plans and letting someone who made some deft late round picks cream the whole league. It happened with me one year when I 'settled' for late round picks Kurt Warner and Stephen Davis to fill out my roster in first year of the Warner Rams and just crushed my league. Those surprises and a lack of injuries is what usually wins a league.
I'd take 2 RBs or RB/WR dependig on who is available.
McNabb should still be there in the 3.1 slot. If you just aren't comfortable not having a QB. And I project he'll be the 2nd best fantasy QB this year.
Carson Palmer will also be a top 10 fantasy QB this year. He can be had much later.
Now let's look at QBs. You've got Manning, and that's it. Culpepper is very very good, and I don't want to seem like I'm slighting him, but he lost Randy Moss, and he's just not going to be quite as good. He should still be the second QB taken, but the even if Manning isn't as good, the gap would still widen.
With #1 I would probably take Manning, assuming that a few players in my league are suckers and will overvalue holmes and green, allowing me to take Barber, Davis, or Rudi Johnson in the second round.
Alternatively, I'll bet dollars to donuts that Carson Palmer ends the season as the third highest fantasy valued QB, and you can also grab him fairly late. He trended upwards very highly last year (when completely healthy) and the Bungles should have an easier schedule in terms of defenses faced this year.
Avoid Todd Heap like the plague. He's hurt pretty badly, the Ravens acquired Derrick Mason, and he has an adequate backup who may be a superior blocker (Dan Wilcox).
Finally, instead of buying your standard Sporting News fantasy football magazine, pick up a Pro Football Prospectus 2005.
By the looks of your draft from last year, you're not the strongest FFL player. Look to some of the better websites for draft analysis. Antsports.com, Fantasyfootball.com, Xpertleagues.com, etc.
No way you should draft anyone but LT. Manning might have better numbers, but remember you only start one QB and you need at least 2 strong RBs. You can draft a guy like Bulger, Green, or Favre far later in the draft and one of them could have an equally strong season this year as Manning.
If your draft is serpentine you'll be able to get LT and another strong back like Westbrook or maybe Rudi Johnson. Then we can add a number one WR like Chad Johnson, who is poised to have a big year.
Finally, I know I probably care much more about this than you ever will, but seriously man, there's no reason to go into this thing with one hand tied behind your back.
1. A couple of people have said that good RBs don't emerge from the middle and lower rounds. How can they say that after last year?! Last year two of the top five runners were Tiki Barber and Curtis Martin, both of whom were available in the 3rd and 4th rounds of many drafts (Martin particularly, since he had a very bad 2003). Corey Dillon also slipped to the 3rd in many drafts due to the uncertainty about how the Patriots would use him as well as concerns about his attitude. Jerome Bettis scored 13 touchdowns and was available in the middle of most drafts. This year, a player like Carnell Williams, who is likely to take on the bulk of Tampa's carries, will likely be available in the 3rd round for you to grab.
2. If your league is RB-obsessed, you can get superb WRs to make up the difference. I have seen 10 team mock drafts in which the #1 player got Manning AND Harrison this year. You could conceivably end up with Manning, Harrison, and someone like Javon Walker as your QBs and WRs. That will make up for a lot of reduced RB scoring.
QB: Delhomme, Palmer. Delhomme is still inexplicably slipping pretty far, and Palmer has huge breakout potential this year.
WR: Randle El, Steve Smith (sort of -- he's slipping this year just because of his injury last year, which is odd)
RB: Carnell Williams, LaMont Jordan, Eric Shelton, Larry Johnson, Derrick Blaylock (the last three have potential due to the guys ahead of them having injury issues).
I was actually excited about my team after the draft--which was, of course, early and before training camp started. Other than Barlow, who most everyone on the expert sites thought highly of. I was pretty psyched on collecting Boldin and Smith in the 3rd and 4th rounds (until they ripped up their legs), then Westbrook, Walker, Favre, and Shockey later on.
I'd rather have Manning-Westbrook than LDT-later QB, and there's no way McNabb falls to #20 in a league with this scoring system.
Most of this has already been said, so I'll just pile on.
1) Manning probably doesn't repeat. He's been right around 28 TDs every other other, and I expect him to end in the low to mid 30s. That's a significant drop.
2) You assume you can get two of the Top 12 RBs. Unlikely. I would think 14-15 will be off the board before you select again.
3) I've always found more QBs emerge throughout the year than RBs. Volek, Collins, etc.
4) I've found that QBs and WRs are much more likely to drop than RBs. If you go RB/RB/WR/WR, I'm willing to bet a Bulger or Green is available. That's nice value in the 5th round.
BUY:
Clinton Portis - he didn't live up to his Top 5 billing, but people think he was worse than he was. He still got 1300+ yards, but the 5 TDs held him back. TDs are a fickle number. He's only 23 and if he adds 5 more TDs, he's a Top 7-8 RB. I'll look for him in the early to mid 2nd round.
Kevan Barlow - Again, he'll be undervalued on draft day. People need to remember that he only got more than 20 carries 4 times - two of those times he rushed for 100+yds. SF was always behind which meant they passed alot. There were questions about his work ethic, but it was a bad scene all around SF last year. He's a great candidate for a bounce back year.
Jamal Lewis - There's a chance people will overlook Lewis because his numbers were down due to his suspension. But he's one of the most durable backs in the game with a nose for the endzone. If he's there at 20 you take him and feel guilty.
Julius Jones - the hype is real. I will reach to get him.
SELL:
LaMont Jordan - for the sole reason that he's going to be way overvalued on draft day. He's looked great in a parttime role, but there are always questions when guys go from backups to starters. If he's there in the late 3rd/early 4th, fine, but don't go crazy trying to get him.
Tiki Barber - his numbers really fell off when Manning took over. Don't go anywhere near him in the first 3 rounds. Another example of how fickle TDs can be. Despite getting only 50 more carries, he got 11 more TDs than the year before.
Actually, LT's numbers were down last year from his previous two years. The guy put up monster numbers when the Chargers were bad, so there is no reason to think it won't continue. On the other hand, Manning had only thrown for more than 30 TDs once before. The only concern with LT is how long he can handle these 300+ carry seasons.
Take best available RB next, but do not draft Clinton Portis. His best years were when he had an o-line in Denver. Denver has had the best offensive line in professional football since 1996; RB's numbers are artificially inflated when they play there.
My RB ranks:
Tomlinson
Alexander
Domanick Davis
Holmes
Dillon
McGahee
Edgerrin James
Barber and Martin were great finds, but how many other RBs drafted outside the # 20 produced big? On the other hand, of the 7 RBs taken in the first round (Priest, SAlex, Deuce, AGreen, Edge, Portis, LT) 6 of them finished in the Top 14 of RBs.
J Jones of the Cowboys.
I do like Julius Jones. What about Kevin Jones--breakout season?
And does Cadillac look like the starter in Tampa Bay? Pittman actually played some pretty good games after he came back last year. Have the Bucs upgraded their O-Line? And is Alstott healthy to block? I'm nervous about Tampa's backfield.
My understanding is also that Thomas Jones is still the starter for now in Chicago, ahead of Benson.
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Taking Manning first probably won't hurt your chance of winning too badly in a a soft league, but no serious fantasy player will do it this year, regardless of league or point system. The only exception could be a league that starts 2 QBs or 1 RB. That changes everything.
The argument here is basically replacement value, but everyone knows that argument in theory, its just that only some appreciate its significance in practice.
For those that think otherwise: check WCOFF brackets. I'll bet not a single person picks Manning number one overall- and those guys pay $2K to play.
Also, agree that in a QB scoring league, going with Peyton seems to be a strong choice. Who scored more week to week last year Manning or LT and will that continue should be the deciding factor.
By the same token, you should draft Tony Gonzalez in the 3rd round if he's available (and assuming you are required to start a TE). That's because he's head and shoulders above all the other TEs in the league and having him on your team provides a major competitive advantage. It doesn't matter if David Carr scores more points than Tony Gonzalez, because they play different positions.
He's an Edgerin James type of runner, and he'll be doing the bulk of the running for the Rams this year, with Faulk doing specialist work. Jackson hangs on to the ball, and should be able to put up decent yardage numbers...
Didn't mean to insult your fantasy skills, it just looked like you got way to caught up in hype last year. I never respect those guys who like Barlow. He's crap and so is SF. If you have to draft any 49er take Joe Montana, he'll score more in retirement than anyone who actually gets in the game.
To answer your questions, I'm sold on Willis, but it doesn't matter because you won't get him at the end of the second. If for some reason he's there take him. He could be the number 1 overall back this year, but LT is as sure as it gets and taking a guy in his first year as a full time starter isn't wise for number one overall.
Julius Jones is awesome, if he is there at the end of the second, take him. Same with Kevin, though I like Julius better.
Regarding the other backs, Carnell and Cedric should go ahead of Thomas Jones and Michael Pittman. But with your position you probably won't need any of them. Take LT and any other top tier back that is left in the 2nd, Jones, Barber, Martin, etc. Then don't go back to RBs until 6 or 7 - then get Henry or a vulture like Bettis or Duckett.
Good luck.