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What was interesting to me was the part on pages three and four, where, apparently DeLay waived the statute of limitations.
Now, politically, that makes good sense- "I want to prove these charges are baseless" and all that. However, at the same time, if you thought there was a good chance of actually getting convicted, better to let the scandal play itself out in the media rather than get a conviction against you.
That's why I strongly suspect that he's going to beat this charge, especially since, as Hugh59 notes, this prosecutor has a history of these prosecutions- whether this one is part of that or not, that's a theory I'd love to take to the jury.
On the federal level, I believe his success rate is zero.
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Ronnie Earle's 1994 indictment against Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison was quickly dismissed and his charges in the 1980s against former Attorney General Jim Mattox-another political foe of Earle-fell apart at trial.
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Former state Rep. Betty Denton, D-Waco, 1995: Sentenced to six months probation and fined $2,000 for listing false loans and contributions on campaign finance reports.
Former state Rep. Lane Denton, D-Waco, 1995: Sentenced to 60 days in work-release program and six years probation, fined $6,000 and ordered to pay more than $67,000 restitution after being convicted of theft and misapplication of fiduciary property for funneling money from the Department of Public Safety Officers Association to a Denton company.
House Speaker Gib Lewis, D-Fort Worth, 1992: In plea bargain, Earle dropped more serious charges when Lewis pleaded no contest to failing to disclose a business investment. Lewis was fined $2,000, and the judge said he took into consideration that Lewis was retiring from public office.
State Rep. Mike Martin, R-Longview, 1982: Pleaded guilty to perjury after lying about having himself shot to gain publicity. Did not run for re-election.
State Treasurer Warren Harding, Democrat, 1982: Pleaded no contest to official misconduct and dropped re-election bid.
Texas Supreme Court Justice Don Yarbrough, Democrat, 1978: Sentenced to five years for lying to a grand jury and forgery. Gave up seat.
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U.S. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, 1994: Acquitted of official misconduct and records tampering after Earle dropped the case during the trial.
Former state Rep. Betty Denton, D-Waco, 1995: Sentenced to six months probation and fined $2,000 for listing false loans and contributions on campaign finance reports.
Former state Rep. Lane Denton, D-Waco, 1995: Sentenced to 60 days in work-release program and six years probation, fined $6,000 and ordered to pay more than $67,000 restitution after being convicted of theft and misapplication of fiduciary property for funneling money from the Department of Public Safety Officers Association to a Denton company.
House Speaker Gib Lewis, D-Fort Worth, 1992: In plea bargain, Earle dropped more serious charges when Lewis pleaded no contest to failing to disclose a business investment. Lewis was fined $2,000, and the judge said he took into consideration that Lewis was retiring from public office.
Attorney General Jim Mattox, Democrat, 1985: Acquitted on felony bribery charges. Won re-election.
State Rep. Mike Martin, R-Longview, 1982: Pleaded guilty to perjury after lying about having himself shot to gain publicity. Did not run for re-election.
State Treasurer Warren Harding, Democrat, 1982: Pleaded no contest to official misconduct and dropped re-election bid.
Texas Supreme Court Justice Don Yarbrough, Democrat, 1978: Sentenced to five years for lying to a grand jury and forgery. Gave up seat.
Yours,
Wince
State Treasurer Warren Harding, Democrat, 1982: Pleaded no contest to official misconduct and dropped re-election bid.
Harding was the subject of one of my favorite headlines ever, to the effect "Warren G. Harding replaces Jesse James as Treasurer." Jesse James was the previous state treasurer, who died in office. I wouldn't put anyone with that name in charge of money.
I assume you are talking about under the Texas Constitution, seeing as how these are Texas laws.
-- numerous Crim Pro professors
So much for my attempt at prophylaxis.
Indeed. I hadn't even thought of that old saw until you trotted out your rhetorical flourish.
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Six Democrats, two Republicans, 6 convictions, two acquittals.
Of course, this doesn't jibe at all with the standard talking points of "he's partisan" and "he's not successful". But let's not let facts get in the way of rhetoric.
Same thing could have happened if Delay was subpoena'd to testify and insisted on putting off the date of his testimony. Earle could have agreed to the delay on the condition of his receiving a written waiver of SOL.
There wouldn't have been much risk here--the statute of limitations just ran out a couple of weeks ago, and the grand jury's term expired today. So Earle only bought himself a couple of weeks by securing the waiver.
Again, this is just speculation...
Or more precisely
Six Democrats, 6 convictions
two Republicans two acquittals.
I think that maybe the dems were guily while the Reps were not
No, I was thinking of the U.S. Constitution. Freedom of association, freedom of speech, those bits.
Yours,
Wince
Warren Harding or Jesse James?
I'm afraid it's not on spot.
Can you elaborate for a layman?
There doesn't need to be a charge of overt action on the part of Delay to support a criminal conspiracy conviction.
I'm not a huge fan of that law, but there it is.
Without spending my whole afternoon looking into it (which is tempting, since it's more fun than work), it looks like a couple things happened:
1) the post raised the importance of the phrase "officeholder", and how it only means "state" officeholder, when the phrase is not used in any of the applicable statutes.
2) the post raised the importance of the venue issue as if it was a slam dunk in DeLay's favor (I think the phrase was "absurd to argue DeLay is not a TX resident") when it's at least arguable for the prosecutor, and perhaps a winnable argument that DeLay is not a resident of TX or that in the case of joint defendants the proper venue is Travis County (I'm not 100% sure on this one).
Thanks for your time and your help.
Tom DeLay is accused (in the indictment) of funneling money into State Legislative Races. It seems a bit of slight of hand to justify the article's criticism.
You're right. And now Texas is basically a Republican operation. Hence the recent trend in the indictments.
That he goes after the party in power should be expected. Once the Dems, now the Repubs.
He seems to charged with conspiring about two things. I'm guestimating; the indictment wasn't very clear for one used to them. A count of prohibited corporate contributions, where there's a defense the corporate contributions were used for a legal purposes, administrative expenses (which covers salaries etc.) It was bad form not to use a separate checking account for corporate contributions (unless the law requires exactly one account?) but not illegal.
A count of making a contribution too close to the election.
When the case is not about whether a bribe was paid, but -when- a bribe was paid, that's not exactly a lot of moral authority. (to be clear, i'm not saying there was any bribery.) It's at most a paperwork violation. Wildlife ecologists may have an argument that feeding politicians out of season is not just a paperwork violation, but that's how I tend to see it. My experience, as someone who has run for office, is that there are too many rules, so it ends up being a crime to run for office. Both the Texas and federal constitutions protect political activity in some relevant ways. It's going to be hard to overcome reasonable doubt about the intent to conspire to break the law, when DeLay had hired a laywer who told him he could do it this way.
DeLay raises millions (12 million says mother jones) legally. He has very little incentive to knowingly screw up.
It seems more plausible to me it was an innocent mistake, but a mistake of the sort that can happen if you are a powerhungry Texas politico shaking down businesses for millions. Robert Caro's "The Master of the Senate" is a detailed look at how this can work.
For a Texas politician it will be better in the long run to show the indictment has no merit than to snuff it with the statute of limitations, thus leaving the issue of his guilt or innocence open to question.
Once this indictment is shown to be the cheap political trick that it is, Delay will be a powerhouse in Texas politics. That's what Earle's indictment of Kay Baily Hutchinson did for her.
Also TRM-PAC* (the 'vehicle' used to for the conspiracy) is registered with the Texas Ethics Committee in Austin (Travis County) and has its address as Austin (Travis County).
July Semi-Anual Texas Ethic Com. Filing
(Also a 2002 report shows a different address, but still in Travis County. The treasurers phone number is (oddly) also in the 512 area code (Travis), but his physical address is not).
I would think that would put it in Ronnie Earl's venue. (If someone is more familiar with this area, please correct me).
*TRM-PAC= Texans for a Republican Majority
Other Reports available at:
TEC Electronic Filings for acct= 00051373gpac
Surely you are not contending that the original meaning of the First Amendment was that it applied to STATES!
Or are you--gasp!--implying that the 14th Amendment INCORPORATED the First Amendment against the states! For shame!
273.024. Venue
An offense under this subchapter may be prosecuted in the
county in which the offense was committed or an adjoining county.
If the offense is committed in connection with a statewide
election, the offense may be prosecuted in the county in which the
offense was committed, an adjoining county, or Travis County.
The 1st sentence is the interesting part. (The race's were not statewide, so the don't apply). Anyway, Jack Stick (one of the people who received the funds), represents Travis County (he was my rep, until he lost in 04). So unless Jack Stick received the funds outside of Travis County or an adjoining County, it would be Earl's venue. (Or course, if they can get everyone to testify they got the check in Houston, it MIGHT be a problem).
Not that I'm complaining. If your opponent is committing suicide, don't stop him.
Perhaps changes to the Grand Jury process to take away some of the advantages enjoyed by the prosecutor and making it harder to ger indictments. Most people have no clue how slanted this process is and would probably not mind placing a higher burden on the DA and make them include known exculpatory info/evidence etc.
Perhaps to (in addition to facing the voter check) the Bar association could oversee/monitor this process and provide reviews &reports on indictments sought and the like. That veil of secrecy surrounding GJ proceedings would make that tough though and one admits that there is value in protecting the identity/reputation of those whom are so clearly innocent that DA can't get a bill returned.
I'm hanging my head. I was thinking the 14th Amendment incorporated the 1st. So I'm hanging my head in shame. Or maybe my tie is stuck in my belt.
Yours,
Wince
So this group, which you would think contained a large number of law enforcement skeptics, was actually less skeptical than your typical group of laymen. How do you get around the fact that almost any grand jury is going to indict someone if the DA believes he should be indicted?
The evidence is that, bc Hutchenson and Martin are Republicans, he goes after political rivals.
But 6 of the 8 that he goes after are Democrats...but that's okay, even though its SIMPLY ENOUGH to show that SOME of the guys he goes after are Republicans to show political opportunism, it is INEFFECTIVE to show that he goes after mostly Democrats. What Houston and Jerk need to show us is that the 6 Democrats he went after were political rivals.
Even still, 6 of 8 convictions or pleas of guilty? Isn't the argument that he's a just a hack political opportunist the same as saying that lawyers who successfully pursue product liability suits are engaging in frivolous lawsuits.
However, my question was more intended to address the post-indictment/"trial" phase than the pre-indictment/"trial" phase. What we have in this situation (not to mention the economic and social impacts to normal individuals outside this unique example) is the de facto removal of the majority party's leader at the national level, while making the process of national political ascension and the resultant impacts on national political agenda/effectiveness vulnerable to the whims of local political ideologues or operatives. Even should Delay and his attorneys demonstrate that the charges are without merit and achieve the same results vis a vis Hutchinson, the process will take a minimum of weeks and more likely months. In the mean time, the national political process has been disrupted at a minimum and the democratically elected majority's ability to pursue its legislative agenda has been negatively or completely thwarted at worst.
What punitive measures or disincentives could and should be put into place to discourage potential abuses? No, we don't necessarily wish to fetter D.A.'s in their zealous prosecutorial pursuits. But, neither do we wish to allow the judiciary to be a means by which political parties are allowed to circumvent the national process using local officials who are less open to scrutiny and less vulnerable politically than either state or federal officiers which must seek to satisfy or are answerable to a much broader base.