Balkin on the Padilla Indictment:
Over at Balkinization, Jack Balkin has an excellent post on the Padilla indictment. An excerpt:
  By indicting Padilla now, The Bush Administration moots Padilla's appeal to the Supreme Court. It also leaves standing the Fourth Circuit's decision in the Padilla case, which broadly upheld the President's power to detain U.S. citizens like Padilla as unlawful combatants. . . .
  That result is particularly worthy of note, for the Fourth Circuit opinion may yet come in handy if the Administration needs to hold another U.S. citizen within the geographical boundaries of that circuit. The Administration now knows that the Fourth Circuit is a Constitution-free zone. It can, if it needs to, declare someone an enemy combantant, thrown them into a military prison, and interrogate them at its leisure. It will take years for a citizen to exhaust his appeals and reach the Supreme Court; and when the citizen finally gets to the Supreme Court, the Administration has the option to indict and moot the case (as it did with Padilla) or, if the Court's personnel have changed sufficiently in the interim, risk an appeal to the Supremes.
  You may recall that, following the Hamdi decision last year, the Administration decided not to give Yaser Hamdi a hearing, but instead released Hamdi to Saudi Arabia, extracting in return a surrender of Hamdi's U.S. Citizenship and a promise that he would not sue. Now it has indicted Padilla to avoid facing a simliar rebuff by the U.S. Supreme Court. In both cases, the Administration argued that that it was of the utmost necessity to detain them indefinitely and that it could not give these men the constitutional protections ordinarily afforded criminal defendants without severely damaging national security. These assertions now ring hollow-- Hamdi is free, and Padilla is in the criminal justice system.
Defending the Indefensible:
Precisely why the court should not dismiss the Padilla case, but accept it while limiting the question to the propriety of "enemy combat" indefinite detention.
11.22.2005 11:07pm
Defending the Indefensible:
Correction: "enemy combatant" not "enemy combat". The question does not pertain to someone who was taken in combat, but declared by executive fiat to be of a particular status.
11.22.2005 11:09pm
burnspbesq (mail):
It isn't necessarily the case that if the Supremes deny cert on mootness grounds, the Fourth Circuit's opinion continues to be governing precedent in that Circuit. 28 U.S.C. section 2106 gives them the power to vacate the opinion, and there is at least one case out there that can be read as standing for the proposition that when unilateral action of the prevailing party below creates mootness, the reviewing court must vacate. See U.S. Bancorp v. Bonner Mall Partnership, 513 U.S. 18, 23 (1994). Hat tip to the commenter at PrawfsBlawg who brought this case to light.
11.22.2005 11:21pm
CrazyTrain (mail):
I suggest you read the Bonner Mall decision -- it stands for no such thing.
11.22.2005 11:24pm
Dem:
I agree: Excellent post by Balkin, but I do have one concern. While I don't like the outcome in Padilla, I don't think its fair to characterize the Fourth Circuit as a "constitution free zone." The Fourth Circuit was merely following Hamdi. I just don't see how the Fourth Circuit could have distinguished Hamdi and remained intellectuallly honest. The real problem, as I see it, is with the Hamdi opinion. Unless it is overturned, the federal government can hold citizens without a trial. Even if the Court limited Hamdi to apply only to citizens captured abroad (and, if one accepts that citizens can be held without trial for fighting against the United States on a foreign battlefield, I don't see a principled reason to treat people differently based on where they are captured), the underlying problem remains.
11.22.2005 11:26pm
StandingFan:
Yes, why let a little thing like Article III get in the way of the Court exercising jurisdiction!

Or should the prohibition on advisory opinions not matter when the Court decides to exceed its own constitutional limits to interfere with another branch of government?
11.22.2005 11:26pm
Dave Hardy (mail) (www):
Vacatur does seem the remedy.

It should also be noted that, when the government discerns a "constitution free zone," it is free to move cases into it. In matter such as this, by transferring the person into a detention area within the circuit.

While working in the gov't, dealing with far more lowly issues than this, I was involved in one case where the folks consciously did just this ... in a forfeiture action, moved the res into a district where the judge was seen as more friendly than the district judge involved, then moved to dismiss, since it was an in rem action. Fortunately for civil liberties, if not for the agency I represented, the district judge took a very dim view of the action. In accord with my prediction that if you really, really, annoy a federal district judge, unpleasant consequences will follow.
11.22.2005 11:27pm
The Original TS (mail):
This point is extensively discussed in the copmments on the Padilla post below. I don't think it is moot though it's quite understandable that the Executive would like to moot it at this point.

To sum up the argument, Padilla still has a potential Bivens claim. The fact that they've stopped violating his constitutional rights isn't really relevant. To quote my own hypo, If he had been tortured, I doubt the government could moot the case by saying, "Well, we've stopped torturing him so there's no longer an active dispute for this court to settle."

It's true that there is no current Bivens claim as this case is up on habeas. But there's a pretty strong argument that the issue of whether his detention was unconstitutional is still a live issue between the parties. It's also, of course, potentially subject to repetition and evading review.

If the Justice Department really wants to moot this case, their best bet is to admit that Padilla never met the definition of an illegal combatant in the first place. Today's indictment -- lacking any claim of a planned attack on the U.S. -- is certainly a step in that direction. If the government were to do that, they'd be essentially admiting Padilla's Bivens claim but would be able to keep the Court from reaching the main issue. They could probably make his Bivens claim go away in a plea bargain, just as they did in Hamdi.

In conclusion, it's not necessarily quite so easy for the government to stuff the genie back in the bottle.
11.22.2005 11:34pm
madisonian (mail):
Crazy Train--

Bonner Mall clearly stands for the proposition that the case for vacatur is strongest where the party who prevailed below "caused the mootness by voluntary action." 513 U.S. at 24. Indeed, the parties in that case agreed that "vacatur must be granted where mootness results from the unilateral action of the party who prevailed in the lower court." Id. at 23 (emphasis added).

This seems to be exactly the situation in Padilla; the government has taken unilateral action that (arguably) renders Padilla's habeas petition moot. So unless there's some reason why the ordinary vacatur rules don't apply in the habeas context, Bonner Mall strongly suggests that vacatur of the Fourth Circuit's opinion is required. Do you disagree?
11.23.2005 12:08am
OrinKerr:
Original TS,

Just to clarify, I think Balkin is using the term "moot" rather loosely, as I was doing in my earlier post. The indictment doesn't eliminate the case or controversy, or make the dispute legally moot in the technical sense, but it does mostly eliminate the reason why the Court was likely to be interested in exercising its disretion so as to grant the petition for certioari. Perhaps we should be saying that the indictment "takes the force" out of the petition, rather than that it renders it "moot." Or something like that.
11.23.2005 12:21am
Master Shake:
Waiting for Jack John's justification attempts.
11.23.2005 12:43am
Remus Talborn (mail):
I think Balkin is right, and I think Rehnquist clearly knew what he was doing when he engineered moving Padilla from the 2nd Circuit to the 4th. That was obvious from reading the opinion in the first place. As I noted elsewhere, the practical effect of Padilla -- because it creates a Constitution-free zone -- is to circumvent Rasul.
11.23.2005 12:48am
Jack John (mail):
I just posted as Remus.
11.23.2005 12:52am
Jack John (mail):
And... there's no need to "justify" the Supreme Court's ruling in Padilla or the Fourth Circuit's ruling in Padilla. Those rulings are the law.
11.23.2005 12:53am
Master Shake:
I mean continued justification of the administration, jack
11.23.2005 1:02am
Master Shake:
And if you think Balkin is right, then WTF was this morning
11.23.2005 1:03am
Jack John (mail):
I agree with his legal analysis that the 4th Circuit is a "zone [where the Bush administration can pursue its policies without judicial interference]". That doesn't mean I agree that Bush's policies are bad or they are unconstitutional. Quite to the contrary.
11.23.2005 1:17am
Jack John (mail):
And Master Shake, the law applies to and and all future administrations. I don't care whether George Bush is in office or Jeb Bush is in office or Hillary Clinton is in office or John Kerry is in office. Either way, the 4th Circuit opinion should stand. Unlike you, I believe that valid law can exist independent from my own political preferences.
11.23.2005 1:20am
Master Shake:
Jack - I also believe that valid law can (and should) exist independent from my political preferences. As to most other things we've discussed, let's just agree to disagree.
11.23.2005 1:24am
Justice Fuller:
Jack John,

In the first of two consecutive posts above, you stated, "That doesn't mean I agree that Bush's policies are bad or they are unconstitutional. Quite to the contrary." Then, in the second one, you said, "Unlike you, I believe that valid law can exist independent from my own political preferences."

Am I right that, in this case, your view of the law happens to align with your own political preferences?
11.23.2005 1:34am
Master Shake:
Justice Fuller,

I recommend avoiding logic with Mr. John.
11.23.2005 1:45am
The Original TS (mail):
Jack, not to get all jurisprudential, but back in the previous thread, I made a post discussing trusting institutions, rather than people. I note you never responded to it.

Orin,
As for Balkin's use of the word "moot," you may be correct. But there's a world of difference between rendering the case legally moot and hoping to make the case less "interesting" so the Court won't grant cert. I've quite sure the SG will argue that the case is now legally moot but I don't think that, without more, will convince anyone on the Court who doesn't already want to be convinced. When you think about it, it's hard to see how the votes would line up. If you think what happened to Padilla is a wonderful thing and you think you've got five votes, you want to grant. Ditto if you think what happened to Padilla is a terrible thing. It's absurd to argue that Padilla doesn't present an extremely important constitutional question.

Bah. It's been a very long day. I'm going home!
11.23.2005 2:08am
Public_Defender:
Doesn't this prove that the Justice Department and Bush Administration were lying when they said they couldn't try Padilla without threatening national security?

The Justice Deparment's move signals both weakness and dishonesty. Those are two traits you don't want to show when the Supreme Court is about to review your case.

As a matter of strategy, I can see how it would backfire. If there are five votes on the Supreme Court to overturn Padilla, they may be even more mad at the way the Justice Department uses and withdraws false claims of national security to suit their litigation strategy.
11.23.2005 5:07am
Nobody Special:
"Doesn't this prove that the Justice Department and Bush Administration were lying when they said they couldn't try Padilla without threatening national security?"

I doubt it- the indictment doesn't talk about what they were holding him for in the naval brig- the dirty bombs. It's entirely possible that they remain unable to try him for that, since it was based on a lot of foreign intelligence sourcing (see affidavits in the 4th circuit case), but can try him for these charges, which involve mostly a domestic conspiracy.
11.23.2005 7:55am
M. Lederman (mail):
Orin: One small quibble about what I agree is an excellent post of Jack's: It's not clear that the indictment moots the detention-based cert. petition. After all, the Government has not said that it will release Padilla if he is acquitted, and under the logic of Luttig's CTA4 decision, it should *not* release him, even upon acquittal -- after all, on Luttig's reasoning Padilla would remain a threat to return to "fight" on the Afghan battlefield!

The President's transfer of custody from Rumsfeld to Gonzales might complicate the habeas proceeding, seeing as how the Commander of the Naval Brig in South Carolina is the respondent to whom the writ would currently issue. And certainly the Court could decide to wait and see whether Padilla is convicted before deciding to hear the case. But I'm not sure the petition is moot -- that is to say, I think the Court could hear the case if it wants to. If the Court does deny the current petition, another important question will be whether it vacates the order and opinion of the Fourth Circuit.

I think we'll know a lot more about the possible effect of the indictment when we see the SG's cert. papers, which are due to be filed on Monday (although an extension is very possible).
11.23.2005 8:17am
Public_Defender:
That makes no sense. Why couldn't they have tried him for the domestic conspiracy charge years ago?

NPR reports today that the Justice Department says that the timing of the indictment has nothing to do with the timing of the Supreme Court case. If that's an accurate description of what Justice Department lawyers said, then it shows that they are near-pathological liars.

That would be sad. Only a few years ago, Justice Department lawyers had a reputation for integrity. It's a shame if they've decided to flush it down the toilet to obtain a tactical advantage in one case.

One impact of this case could be that courts are far less likely to blindly trust Justice Department assertions of national security damage. Whether that's good or bad depends on yoru perspective.
11.23.2005 8:20am
Jack John (mail):
Am I right that, in this case, your view of the law happens to align with your own political preferences?

No. That would put political preferences first. That isn't how I think. It is how you think, apparently, based on the way you framed your question.

The policies happen to be constitutional. Therefore, I do not think they are unconstitutional. I also think any administration would pursue such policies given the same factual situations -- as I said before, the law binds all administrations. I find it kind of silly to call "bad" policies that all three branches of government have sanctioned and any Executive would enforce.

Whether I like Bush, or any other politician, has nothing to do with it.
11.23.2005 10:12am
Nobody Special:
Sure it does- remember, this conspiracy features a number of other players. They might not have been ready to file an indictment two-three years ago for the conspiracy.

As an example, since you're (apparently) a PD, let's do this. Say that you have someone who's a gang member. The prosecution believes that he's committed two distinct crimes: (1) a murder of a rival gang member and (2) being a member of a conspiracy to distribute cocaine base.

Just because the prosecution could have (but maybe declined to) charge him two or three years ago for murder does not mean that they had the evidence and the case ready to charge him for the conspiracy.
11.23.2005 10:13am
flaime:
Does the case still have to be adjudicated if they try to prosecute him with evidence extracted during his incarceration as an enemy combatant?
11.23.2005 10:51am
Anderson (mail) (www):
Why couldn't they have tried him for the domestic conspiracy charge years ago?
According to anonymous DOJ sources in today's NYT, it's because they screwed up the case by questioning him without a lawyer, thus gaining lots of unusable evidence.

Yet another example of fools impeding the "war on terror" by their insistence upon disregarding American law.
11.23.2005 11:10am
Jack John (mail):
Anderson:

"Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez wouldn't answer questions on the issue. Federal sources say that the original dirty bomb charges weren't prosecutable, first because the government would not be able to produce its "intelligence" or the al Qaeda sources in custody who could prove Padilla's guilt, and second, because Padilla's confession under military interrogation would be inadmissible." WashPost.

So it looks like run-of-the-mill prosecutorial discretion.
11.23.2005 11:14am
Columbienne:
TS wrote: "They could probably make his Bivens claim go away in a plea bargain, just as they did in Hamdi."

I bet you $100 that's what's gonna happen.
11.23.2005 11:32am
Dem:
Nobody Special: They were holding him, at least in their argument to the Fourth Circuit and under its opinion, for fighting on a foreign battlefield against the US. Before the 2nd Circuit, the government focused on the "dirty bomb" stuff, but after the SC's opinion in Hamdi, they switched it up. Hamdi said citizens could be held without trial for doing just that and the Fourth Circuit followed it by holding for the government.
11.23.2005 11:50am
Defending the Indefensible:
Nobody Special:

As an example, since you're (apparently) a PD, let's do this. Say that you have someone who's a gang member. The prosecution believes that he's committed two distinct crimes: (1) a murder of a rival gang member and (2) being a member of a conspiracy to distribute cocaine base.

Just because the prosecution could have (but maybe declined to) charge him two or three years ago for murder does not mean that they had the evidence and the case ready to charge him for the conspiracy.

That's all very well, but if they didn't have evidence to charch him with one or the other crime two or three years ago, they should have released him, and if they *did* have such evidence two or three years ago, they should have indicted him then. There should not be a three year lapse of time during which a person is incarcerated without charges being filed.
11.23.2005 12:10pm
Jack John (mail):

There should not be a three year lapse of time during which a person is incarcerated without charges being filed.



This is a sad misunderstanding of the facts. Padilla was in military custody for three years. He was just turned over to civilian authorities. Relatively quickly after civilian authorities got Padilla, they indicted him. You cannot link the three year detention to the civilian authorities as civilian authorities didn't indict for three years while Padilla was in civilian custody. That did not happen.
11.23.2005 12:16pm
Anderson (mail) (www):
Jack John, you do realize that your quotation did absolutely nothing to contradict my comment, right?

And there's no "sad misunderstanding of the facts," unless it's yours.

Padilla was incarcerated for 3+ years without being charged. That is not made okay by the fact that he was held by military authorities, because he was a U.S. citizen arrested on U.S. soil, and thus the military had no right whatsoever to detain him.

Had he been arrested and put in civilian custody, he'd probably have been convicted by now.
11.23.2005 12:22pm
Jack John (mail):

That is not made okay by the fact that he was held by military authorities, because he was a U.S. citizen arrested on U.S. soil, and thus the military had no right whatsoever to detain him.


Really? That's not what the Fourth Circuit said. Apparently, it is made okay by the fact that it was the military.



Had he been arrested and put in civilian custody, he'd probably have been convicted by now.




Probably true. But he wasn't in civilian custody. That is why civilian authorities didn't have to charge him. They haven't lapsed at all. They indicted as soon as they got him.
11.23.2005 12:25pm
The Original TS (mail):
"The President's transfer of custody from Rumsfeld to Gonzales might complicate the habeas proceeding, seeing as how the Commander of the Naval Brig in South Carolina is the respondent to whom the writ would currently issue."

This is a good point but, given the posture of the case, denying relief on these grounds would be absolutely farcical. IIRC, in Padilla I, the court kicked his petition back because he HADN'T named the commander of the military jail as respondent. If the Court now refuses relief because he is now named as respondent, they've handed the executive a 100% fool proof method of avoiding inconvenient habeas petitions -- all you have to do is transfer custody and you can make the petitioner start all over again.

"After all, the Government has not said that it will release Padilla if he is acquitted."

A good point and another reason why the issue isn't moot. In fact, the AG is still claiming that the dirty bomb allegations are valid. These char Presumably he's still an "enemy combatant." Maybe the DOD has an "enemy combatant hold" on him with the DOJ.
11.23.2005 12:32pm
Jack John (mail):

If the Court now refuses relief because he is now named as respondent, they've handed the executive a 100% fool proof method of avoiding inconvenient habeas petitions -- all you have to do is transfer custody and you can make the petitioner start all over again.



Yes, this was the point of Rehnquist's opinion in Padilla, in which the Court explicitly rejected Stevens' functional approach. The Court would have to overrule Padilla, the SCOTUS holding, not the 4th Circuit holding, to decide differently.
11.23.2005 12:41pm
Public_Defender:
Probably true. But he wasn't in civilian custody. That is why civilian authorities didn't have to charge him. They haven't lapsed at all. They indicted as soon as they got him.
This is a joke, right?

The "They" is the Bush Administration. Bush's Justice Department. Bush's military authorities. To say that the military authorities kept Padilla away from the civiliam authorities is to say that the Bush Administration kept Padilla away from itself.
11.23.2005 2:56pm
Porkchop (mail):

"The President's transfer of custody from Rumsfeld to Gonzales might complicate the habeas proceeding, seeing as how the Commander of the Naval Brig in South Carolina is the respondent to whom the writ would currently issue."

No, once the proper custodian is named as a party in the proper court, then it is a simple matter to substitute the successor custodian as a party under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, (Does anyone ever read them anymore?) This is a non-issue. A respondent in a habeas proceeding can't moot the case by handing off custody to someone else -- jurisdiction follows the prisoner.
11.23.2005 3:29pm
The Original TS (mail):
"A respondent in a habeas proceeding can't moot the case by handing off custody to someone else -- jurisdiction follows the prisoner."

Not necessarily in this case. The DOJ isn't holding him unconstitutionally so even if substituted, can't be ordered not to hold him unconstitutionally. This is a big part of the DOJ's argument, I'm sure. "This Court can't order the DOD to release Padilla because they do not have him in custody. This Court cannot order the DOJ to stop detaining Padilla unconstitutionally because the DOJ has not ever detained him unconstitutionally. Why are we here?"
11.23.2005 3:50pm
Porkchop (mail):
The whole discussion of "prosecutorial discretion" is a red herring. The issue is simple: Does the decision to charge Padilla as a criminal defendant moot the pending Supreme Court case? The answer: It does if the Supreme Court decides that it does. They could decide to hear it as an issue "capable of repetition, but evading review" (as in Roe v. Wade, for example -- by the time a woman challenging the abortion law in Texas got all the way to the Supreme Court, the time to have an abortion would have been long past.) Some other US citizen might well be detained for a similar period of time under similar circumstances and then charged criminally when his case is about to go to the Supreme Court. On the other hand, the Court could simply dismiss the petition as moot and move on. There's no appeal from that decision.

Further, if the Court decides to hear it, Congress could simply moot the matter by revising the Court's jurisdiction over certain classes of habeas petitions. It's been a couple of decades, but I think I recall that was what Ex parte McCardle was all about. And, as I recall, the dicta in that case aren't all that helpful to the government's case here. (IIRC, the Court accepted the new jurisdictional limitation and then dumped all over the government's case.)

Personally, I think the Padilla precedent is an outrage. If the precedent stands, then there is no control over potential abuses by the federal authorities. It is Kafkaesque that we have a government arguing that it has the authority to detain American citizens arrested on American soil for an indefinite period without charging them (remember the "Speedy and Public Trial" requirement -- it's there for a reason) at the same time that it fights a war purporting to bring freedom and democracy to a group of people who seem to be more interested in our leaving their county than internalizing our values.

Does anybody read Orwell anymore? There is a lot of "Newspeak" in the current public dialogue.
11.23.2005 3:51pm
Nobody Special:
It looks like Porkchop is right along with the 1860s Court in being excited about, as President Lincoln said, allowing "all the laws, but one, go unexecuted, and the government itself go to pieces, lest that one be violated."
11.23.2005 3:59pm
Porkchop (mail):

Not necessarily in this case. The DOJ isn't holding him unconstitutionally so even if substituted, can't be ordered not to hold him unconstitutionally. This is a big part of the DOJ's argument, I'm sure. "This Court can't order the DOD to release Padilla because they do not have him in custody. This Court cannot order the DOJ to stop detaining Padilla unconstitutionally because the DOJ has not ever detained him unconstitutionally. Why are we here?"


You miss the point -- if the court decides to hear the case, the Attorney General will still be the substitute custodian. The question is not whether the pretrial detention is constitutional, it is whether the military detention was constitutional. If the court decides that it is an issue "capable of repetition, &c" then the substitution and present circumstances will not affect the issue to be decided in the court.

As an analogy, consider a felon who commits crimes in two different states and is convicted in both. He can still bring an appeal or habeas petition challenging convictions in either state (or both), no matter which state actually has physical custody. To argue in one state that the petition is moot because the defendant was also convicted and is serving time in the other would lead to an endless game of prisoner ping-pong between the custodial states to prevent any appeal or habeas relief at all.

Since there is no guarantee that Padilla will be released if he is acquitted, he still has a case to argue. There is also the matter of bail -- remember that? -- that's in the Constitution, too. If the government tries to bootstrap "unarmed combatant"/three-year detention into a a basis to deny bail, then the basis for the detention needs to be heard. Further, if Padilla has a good claim, and he is acquitted, should he be required to start all over and wait another three years to get to the Supreme Court? For all I know, Padilla may be guilty as charged. None of the charges or the claims have been resolved, though. A trial will not take place for a considerable period, maybe a year, so in the worst case, the guy might be detained for what, maybe seven years before the question of military detention is even addressed? And then, he might win -- we don't know, do we? It may turn out that the detention and the indictment were the product of bad information, an overactive imagination, an overzealous prosecutor, or who knows what. In the meantime, there is a US citizen rotting in jail with no hearing for an indefinite period. That is very troubling.
11.23.2005 4:12pm
Porkchop (mail):

It looks like Porkchop is right along with the 1860s Court in being excited about, as President Lincoln said, allowing "all the laws, but one, go unexecuted, and the government itself go to pieces, lest that one be violated."

Well, if you assume the guy is guilty and a danger and that the Supreme Court will order his release, then that parade of horribles will come about. I suggest, though, that you overstate the case.

So, if I decide that I think you are a clear and present danger and tell the FBI and they believe me (because I really do look very sincere and convincing), then you'd have no problem being detained indefinitely as an enemy combatant, right? Okay then, let me go get my phone . . .

You, too, might want a lawyer and a hearing under those circumstances.
11.23.2005 4:20pm
The Original TS (mail):
"They could decide to hear it as an issue "capable of repetition, but evading review"

They certainly could, though there are also arguments that the case is not legally moot. I have to say, though, that the Padilla case itself demonstrates just how capable of repetition but evading review this issue really is. He got relief in the Second Circuit but the government moved him so back down he goes to the Fourth Circuit where he doesn't get relief. Now that it's back up again at the Supreme Court, the government "moves" him again and asks the Court to deny him relief again because they, well, moved him.

This game of musical cells has got to stop, one way or the other, and it's up to the Court to stop it.
11.23.2005 4:22pm
Dilan Esper (mail) (www):
What the Supreme Court should do, but won't:

"The petition for writ of certiorari is now dismissed as moot. Because the case was mooted by the unilateral action of the United States, the opinion of the Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit is vacated. As the issues purportedly decided by the Court of Appeals are capable of repetition, it should be noted that it is the intention of this Court that the opinion of the Court of Appeals in this matter have no precedential value whatsoever, and should not be cited to or by any court as controlling or persuasive authority on any of the questions that it purported to decide."

What the Supreme Court might do:

"The petition for writ of certiorari is now dismissed as moot. Because the case was mooted by the unilateral action of the United States, the opinion of the Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit is vacated."

What the Supreme Court probably will do.

"The petition for writ of certiorari is now dismissed as moot."
11.23.2005 4:27pm
Porkchop (mail):
Dilan Esper:

You probably have it right. It really depends on the extent to which the justices are troubled by the government's conduct, which arguably has been evasive by design (as opposed to possibly being just badly handled on every front).
11.23.2005 4:44pm
Jack John (mail):

To say that the military authorities kept Padilla away from the civiliam authorities is to say that the Bush Administration kept Padilla away from itself.



Ooh, mere technicalities, like "civilian" and "military". Mere technicalities, like "President Bush" and "my local mailman, Reginald." Mere technicalities, like "John Hancock" and "Juan Hernandez." You're right, there is no difference. Everything is chaos and anarchy! Language does not exist! Life is but a dreaaaaam!
11.23.2005 5:02pm
The Original TS (mail):
What the Supreme Court probably will do.

"The petition for writ of certiorari is now dismissed as moot."


No.

"The petition for writ of certiorari is denied."

Padilla would probably have to bring a motion to vacate. This would set off quite an interesting discussion at the Court. I hope he does. He's got an excellent argument for vacatur under Munsingwear.

I think the adminstration maybe overplaying its hand. One thing that all members of the judiciary agree on regardless of their political leanings is that they really dislike being jerked around. The executive is being just a little to cute for its own good here and I would expect this to draw some reaction from the Court demonstrating its displeasure. If they decide not to take the case outright, vacating the administration's Fourth Circuit trophy case might be the way to go.
11.23.2005 5:03pm
The Original TS (mail):
Ooh, mere technicalities, like "civilian" and "military".

Well, if you want "mere technicalities," how about the fact that the United States is not at "war."

For that matter, the United States acted completely illegally in detaining combatants in Afghanistan. Technically, the United States intervened on behalf of one faction in a civil war. Thus, any crimes committed by people in Afghanistan (even card-carrying members of Al-Qaeda) were violations of Afghani criminal law, even if they were shooting at U.S. forces. The U.S., therefore, has no legal jurisdiction over any of these folks. The U.S. military has kidnapped these people from Afghanistan!

If you want to be pedantically (and ridiculously) legalistic, do it right.
11.23.2005 5:16pm
Jack John (mail):
If you want to be pedantically (and ridiculously) legalistic, do it right.

I did. You did it Left.
11.23.2005 5:47pm
Unenumerated (www):

It looks like Porkchop is right along with the 1860s Court in being excited about, as President Lincoln said, allowing "all the laws, but one, go unexecuted, and the government itself go to pieces, lest that one be violated."


I have written that this is the most abused quotation used in these debates.
11.23.2005 10:57pm
Nobody Special:
Reading your post, you only seem to think that it is abused because you don't like the idea that some "liberties" that you consider fundamental are being curtailed.

I don't really mind that. Also, keep in mind that, even with cases like Milligan, the government did not allow the judiciary to interfere in the execution of a war until after the conflict was over (Milligan was in 1866). During the actual war, Lincoln, appropriately, held confederates and their collaborators without charges and without hearings, and with no access to habeas corpus.

I have no problem doing that again, and you, obviously do. Just because you do doesn't mean that Lincoln's quotation, or his actions, are being "abused."
11.24.2005 12:44pm
Unenumerated (www):
No, I demonstrated in my article that the Lincoln quote is an immensely illogical and false statement when applied to today's situation. Even during the Civil War it was only rhetorical. Use of this quote is another piece of evidence that our freedoms are being destroyed based on gut reactions, not on thoughtful analysis.
11.24.2005 1:52pm
Jack John (mail):
Or, maybe, Unenumerated, the people using the quote have reasoning that is different than yours yet still valid. Have you considered that?
11.25.2005 12:20am
George Phillies (mail) (www):
At some point, Mr. Padilla and his attorneys might propose that the prior issue is not moot, because the indictment refers to an unrelated offense.
11.25.2005 8:11pm