In yesterday’s post, when exploring the reasons why traditionalist Christians are significantly less likely to succeed with religious liberty claims, compared to other religious groupings including members of minority religions, I turned aside the possibility of old-fashioned bigotry and questioned the assertion that supposedly mainstream believers do not need or deserve judicial protection for religious conscience.
In today’s post, I suggest that because Catholic and Baptist claimants tend to assert controversial claims of conscience that conflict directly with the social policy-initiatives of liberal secular governments, judges that are disproportionately drawn from the cultural elite may (at the margin) react more skeptically or hostilely to such claims, even aside from the legal merits (and there'll be much more on the merits issue tomorrow).
During the course of American history, both the political left and the right at different times and in different ways have posed threats to our most cherished liberties, whether freedom of speech, procedural protections against government action, or free exercise of religion. In the past, the greatest threats to religious liberty were posed by patriotic sentiments and a law and order agenda typically advanced by the right. Today, the greater threat may come from the left through imposition of anti-discrimination and social welfare requirements even against private associational groups, such as religious believers and communities.
What Catholics and evangelical Protestants tend to hold in common today is a general adherence to traditional or conservative social values that may conflict with the commands of liberal governments. Thus, when traditionalist Catholics and Baptists resist governmental regulation by seeking exemptions from, for example, anti-discrimination or licensing laws, they run against the grain of mainstream secular society in certain regions of the country.
William Marshall has argued that “[a] court is more likely to find against a claimant ... when the religion is bizarre, relative to the cultural norm.” I submit that the opposite may be more common, given the natural human tendency to respond more vigorously to the perceived threat next door than to the peculiarity on the far side of town.
Thus, when we hear stories of strange (to us) religious beliefs and practices, our reaction tends to be one not of antipathy or disagreement, but of detached curiosity. Because such unconventional thinking or conduct is so distant from our own, we are less likely to compare those attitudes and actions against our own beliefs and practices.
By contrast, the typical American may be more threatened by that which is familiar and close at hand, but regarded as morally reprehensible, than by that which is foreign and remote (culturally if not geographically). We may react more defensively to the neighbor who is in almost all aspects similar to ourselves but who departs markedly on some essential point that is crucial to our own sense of values or identity. Consider our response toward someone who looks much like us, grew up in similar ways, lives in the same neighborhoods, attended the same schools, holds the same kinds of jobs, but who then holds what we see as peculiar and abhorrent views on human sexuality or abortion and reproduction or relations between the genders or responsibility for the community and social welfare.
Accordingly, when a judge encounters a religious practice that departs so radically from the conventional as to appear wholly other, the judge may be more willing to tolerate it as harmless for that very reason. However, when the follower of a traditional religious group presses a claim of conscience that folds into one of the conventional, if controversial, perspectives within American public life, a judge may pass the religious claim across the metric of his or her own worldview.
Thus, for example, when an evangelical Christian school challenges the application of employment discrimination laws when discharging an unmarried pregnant school teacher or a Catholic hospital resists accreditation requirements for providing abortion-related training or services, a judge may find it more difficult not to think of how those claims stand against the judge’s own religious or political viewpoints. Accordingly, orthodox Christians who seek accommodations that reflect traditional religious values may not be at all well-positioned for litigative success in the modern era—especially before a judiciary that is drawn largely from the cultural elite.
I briefly read your comments so far and while I don't think this has been addressed I very well could be wrong. But how do you control for the underlying number of legitimate religious claims that could be made by members of the religious majority vis a vis the minority? That is, not only (as you note) might judges think that majority Christians are able to protect their religious interests through the political process, but they might in fact be able to protect those interests. I recall briefly that sacramental wine was exempted from Prohibition, but minority religions do not always receive such protection (see the case of the Santerians in Hiyaleah (sp)).
This way, no one will expect that article to bear any relation to posts on earlier sections. This method we see here seems doesn't really seem to be blogging as much as it is posting parts of an already written article in bite sizes. Fine, I suppose, but not really a conversation, and not what I think posters expected.
If you are going to be posting here all week, rather than just submitting prepared essays which you could simply publish together at one time, perhaps you might engage with some of the comments and commenters. As AC above notes, you haven't addressed the endogeneity and sample selection bias issues, but further I think you haven't actually addressed any other arguments either.
This is not in itself intended to insult or diminish your own thinking on these issues, but without engagement we are just talking past one another and you will not persuade anyone who doesn't already agree with you.
I also question the value of these posts. They seem like little more than digests of his law review articles, which have already been linked to. Instead of inviting Professor Sisk to "guest blog," why not just print excerpts from his articles?
I looked at three of the cases that supposedly show anti-Catholic bias. One was a complicated medicare or medicaid reimbursement case in which a for-profit Catholic hospital sought an increase in reimbursements because of its Catholic status. Another was a Catholic FBI agent who claimed discrimination because he was fired for refusing to investigate a Catholic group that he acknowledged was destroying government property. The Third involved prison inmates wanting to have rosaries and other Catholic religious items.
Only the last one seems even arguable. And to claim that case as evidence of bias, you'd have to look at similar claims of inmates demanding to have religious jewelry.
There were only 76 Catholic claimant cases in the data base. That's a small enough number that he should go case by case if he wants to show that the claimants should have won.
"In the past, the greatest threats to religious liberty were posed by patriotic sentiments and a law and order agenda typically advanced by the right. Today, the greater threat may come from the left through imposition of anti-discrimination and social welfare requirements even against private associational groups, such as religious believers and communities."
For instance, in this:
Thus, for example, when an evangelical Christian school challenges the application of employment discrimination laws when discharging an unmarried pregnant school teacher or a Catholic hospital resists accreditation requirements for providing abortion-related training or services, a judge may find it more difficult not to think of how those claims stand against the judge’s own religious or political viewpoints.
Well, when religious organizations decide to act as players in nonreligious fields (such as primary education or health care), they need to realize that they join as equals. Just like you can use a Pell Grant to attend Georgetown University, the government does not/should not treat these institutions differently just because of the establishment clause. Thus, as follows, voucher programs can be used even when realistically only religious schools will accept the vouchers. Likewise, religion cannot hide behind the free exercise clause to engage in discrimination just because it doesn't like the rules of competition in the field it wishes to join.
If Sisk is equating "requiring a Catholic hospital to provide birth control" with "requiring a Native American church to use nonhallucagenic drugs", then I don't think we should be worried at all about his findings of a "biased" judiciary. They're biased exactly in the way one would hope - in favor of the correct legal outcome.
I wonder which timeframes in the past Sisk has in mind, and why, empirically, the greater threat comes now from the left.
Does the present leftist threat consist of more than "anti-discrimination and social welfare requirements"? One might expect that if Sisk sees greater threats in our past coming from the "law and order patriotism" right, he would be much more concerned today about warrantless wiretaps and indefinite detention of an American citizen without charge and the like, rather than evangelical Christian schools not being allowed to discharge unmarried pregnant school teachers.
Maybe he believes that anti-discrimination law affects more people than the other matters do.
Also, I think I agree with most of the earlier comments. J &Anonymous Comment, I don't think Sisk is interested in give-and-take with the posters, as is his right.
On Friday, I’ll offer some concluding thoughts, some caveats, and as space permits respond to some of the comments received.
Abortion, birth control, and sexual preference do raise issues of religious conscience. It would be helpful if Sisk had identified the specific cases that involve such claims. One legal issue may well be the entanglement of religion with government-funding - that if religious institutions take money from Caesar, they then must comply with Caesar's regulations.
Granted the line between religious and secular services may be fuzzy, but it must be drawn. On one side the government has no business dictating policy and the religious order is free to discriminate based on its beliefs. But on the other side of the line, where public, secular funds are being spent and the general public is being served, the government must ensure that public funds are used in a non-discriminatory way.
I don't agree that either anti-discrimination or licensing laws are any more or less "secular" than any other health, welfare, or morals legislation. I'm sure that the majority of all Catholics and Baptists approve of the majority of all anti-discrimination and licensing laws currently on the books.
Nor am I (nor probably anyone who practcies labor law, for that matter) surprised that courts are more reluctant to entertain First Amendment challenges to anti-discrimination or licensing laws than to criminal statutes. It is very difficult to determine (especially in the employment context) when an anti-discrimination law or licensing law actually "burdens" a religious belief. It is also very difficult to balance the competing rights and interests of individuals and society in such questions.
If Cat/Bapts want to preserve their principled integrity, then they need to retreat from serving in public functions. If they want to participate in the public sphere (by receiving Federal money for their schools or hospitals, by retaining Federal liscences to prescribe medication or arrange adoptions, etc.) they need to recognize that their religious beliefs are secondary to the rule of law in that public sphere. That's a difficult choice for any religious tradition, to decide between sticking to religious principle at the risk of social isolation versus participating in secular society at the risk of comprimising principles. See Christ and Culture by H. Richard Niebuhr for a mature analysis of this paradox. Cat/Bapts are refusing to make this choice and insisting that it is their right to have it both ways. Fortunately, the first amendment prohibits them from doing that.
The professor's definition of "traditionalist" religion really just means "politically conservative" religion. Since he defines religion in modern political terms rather than in theological terms, he is really comparing the politics, not the faith, of the claimants.
So if we could show that the judiciary was more liberal than conservative in 1990 (the midpoint of his study), then we would be left with the astonishing point that political liberals tend to support more liberal political positions, so conservatives lose more often.
That would be as shocking as if politically conservative judges tended to reject politically liberal claims.
Professor's Sisk's study appears to be about politics, not religion.
Why would this be true only for Catholics and Baptists?
From 1972-1990, there were only four years of Democratic Presidents on the federal bench. Jimmy Carter used nonpartisan committees to determine his appointments to the federal bench. It would shock me if the above statement was true.
Given your argument about how the recipient of federal funds needs to render unto Caesar, how do you stand on the banning of military recruiters at college campuses? Seems to me that if you really believe what you say, then you must be against Harvard and Yale banning military recruiters from showing up to offer positions to graduates while at the same time standing there with their hot little hands out for research funding. If they ban the recruiters, then they should also not get any funding to follow your argument.
Yeah, what a surprise. Of course, if a liberal has legal opinions, he is expected to keep them to himself. If a conservative has legal opinions, those are neutral and apolitical, and therefore can be enforced at will.
Actually, along those lines, doing a little searching online about abortion picketing cases, I came accross a pretty interesting one. Frisby v. Schultz dealt with a Wisconsin statute that prohibited picketing in residential neighborhoods. The statute was enacted to deal with a month long protest that pro-life groups held outside the house of one particular doctor who performed abortions. The statute was upheld as a reasonable limitation on the free speech rights of the pro-life group. Voting in favor of the statute were O'Connor, Blackmun, Scalia, Kennedy and White. The dissenters were Brennan, Marshall and Stevens (and Stevens' dissent was particularly scathing). Amazingly enough, liberals don't actually base their decisions on the identity of the parties, but on the legal principles involved that apply equally to all parties. Yes, a conservative is more likely to state a claim that a liberal will see as invalid, because the conservative is likely to base that claim on a conservative legal theory that the liberal disagrees with. But that's hardly bias in the judicial system, and the reverse is equally true.
Wasn't the above point, made several times in different ways by the same poster, refuted, among other places, at http://volokh.com/posts/1141056907.shtml#69402?
We allow all sorts of time, space, and manner restrictions on poltical speech, through campaign finance and election laws. But when the speech is upsetting to the moral sensibilities of many, it stands a strong chance of being protected. I cannot give more than $2,000 to a candidate, but I can buy as many lap dances as I want.
I'm just not sure I see any evidence that this actually occurs or that this is the correct explanation, when there are other explanations that are much more direct.
One additional question: why then is it just Catholics, Baptists and Muslims, that are supposedly treated worse, and not simply Christians? I don't see how these specific groups support your theory.
As Johnny Carson used to say, "If you buy the premise, you buy the bit."
I'm not buying.
But restrictions on the use of government funds presents a different issue than a "pure" free exercise of religion case.
Also, much legislation involving abortion does have "conscience" clauses which allow doctors &hospitals not to perform abortions if doing so conflicts with their religious beliefs.
Reaction seems to be negative, with many different reasons among posters.
I like the part where Professor Sisk glosses over the fact that Republicans will have held the Presidency 28 years out of 40 from the years 1968-2008 (as well as the Presidency for all but 4 years from 1968-1992, the time most crucial to his studies).
Or does he consider a party that quite clearly spends a lot of time adopting Catholic/Baptist positions on major issues (abortion, sex education, etc.) the "cultural elite"?
More than that--I think the implicit assumption that "cultural elite" equals "liberal" is just ridiculous. Perhaps (and that is a big perhaps) that is true in some parts of the country, but in other parts of the country, the "cultural elite" is just as likely (perhaps even more likely) to be socially conservative as anyone else.
Of course, that's assuming that the judiciary, in fact, is "largely drawn" from the cultural elite, whatever that is.
I'm not sure I follow your complaint. Are you complaing that a connection between "orthodox" Christianity is being made with political conservatives, or are you complaining that "orthodox" Christianity is connected to "traditionalists"? Or that there should be a distinction between the two and that none is being made?
I think you're saying that "orthodox" Christianity is not the same as "traditional" Christianity. Or not. Can you clarify?
Only in places like New York City, Washington DC, LA &Hollywood, Chicago, Boston, San Francisco, Baltimore, Denver, Seattle, and every other major city in America. I'd be hard pressed to find a large city that was "culturally conservative," in which, for example, large swaths of the voters in those large cities were explicitly pro-life. New York, Washington DC, and Hollywood set the cultural tone for the country. Elites aren't taking cues from Salt Lake City, that's for sure. And apart from Salt Late, maybe in places like rural Tennessee or Mississippi, or perhaps South Dakota, will you find a "cultural elite" of social conservatives. But give me a break: Most of America's elites are liberal through and through.
This is a hard assertion to counter, because I don't know what you mean by "elite." Do you mean political leaders? It may be the case that the political leadership in large urban areas is largely liberal, but the political leadership in large *suburban* areas near those large urban areas certainly may not be. Large swaths of voters in these areas are explicitly pro-life, to take one example. Hell, given the Republican domination of all three branches of government, and the widespread election of Republican governors, *someone* out there must be conservative.
Or maybe you mean social leaders (like, e.g., priests)? Important members of the community (like, e.g., James Dobson)? Law professors (like many on this blog)? Who are we talking about that are "liberal through and through"?
My sense is that "cultural elite" is generally used as a stand in for "liberal intelligentsia," "actors living in Hollywood," or "staff of the New York Times." If that's how we are defining the phrase, then of course the "cultural elites" are liberal. But it is not obvious to me that most of the judiciary is drawn from these groups.
That's how I was defining it, which would include the law schools and bar associations (included in "liberal intelligentsia"). As for who is picked for the judiciary: I suspect it's probably people in positions to recommend them to the President for their appointment. Patronage probably plays a large role, or at least used to, I'm sure. It might not mean that these people are not wholly part of the cultural elite, but it'd probably mean a lot of them are.
In general, I'd love for this survey data to be wrong, or flawed. But I have no love for the Judiciary, and I think that the conventional wisdom of them as hostile to religion and Christianity in particular is true. If the evidence is wrong, then fine. But maybe it isn't. Or maybe this sort of thing can't really be judged scientifically, unless one were to poll the judges and they answered honestly. Anyway, there's a reason why the left for the most part furthers its social agendas using the judiciary instead of the ballot-box. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that among cultural conservatives, there is a widespread acceptance of the belief that the judiciary is an ossified bunch of unrepentant leftists who make up the law as they go in order to attack traditional Christians and even socially conservative organizations (like the Boy Scouts). It's why marriage protection statutes or amendments passed in so many states: because social conservatives FEAR the judiciary's power. Those voters probably don't view the judiciary as an impartial system, with blind justice, and a fair weighing of merits, with certain cases left to the political branch. They view it instead as entirely hostile and drunk with power.
Blame the legal realists, I suppose, who first proposed the idea of law as merely another chessboard for power plays. Now everyone has to either play by those rules or lose. But since this genie is out of the bottle, I don't think it'll be put back anytime soon. That's why, even if the Judiciary is stock-full of conservatives, I've reluctantly decided the better course of action is to limit the Jucidiary's power in most instances (term limits, stripping it of jurisdiction, impeachment of judges, etc). I plead guilty to being cynical. Sue me.
I'm no lawyer, but Fisk's arguments sure seem chockful of political jargon (of a particular stripe) for a legal argument.
:rant:
As others have noted, the majority of Presidents over the past
20304050 years have been Republicans. Why would the (presumably conservative) people in positions to recommend judicial candidates to Republican Presidents recommend liberals? What evidence is there that the majority of the judiciary is "liberal"?Or (maybe) the judiciary is simply enforcing laws that "attack" traditional Christians and even socially conservative organizations, because those organizations operate in ways that violate the law.
It's certainly another possibility. Until we see the post that addresses the relative merits of the cases studied (something that I would have led with, I think) we won't know Sisk's answer to that question.
Dan28 &Public_Defender - you're right - this is a political, not legal, argument.
Don't forget, 50 years ago, the Republican party was not as conservative (and the Democratic party was not as liberal). The trend has been towards increasing partisanship, but it's not until recently that Republicans began demanding conservative judges, and liberals began demanding liberal judges. Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, and even Reagan appointed judges who were probably all very politically connected, but might not have been conservative.
You misunderstand me. I said there's a BELIEF among social conservatives that the judiciary is hostile towards them. I think that BELIEF is true. Whether, in fact, the judiciary is ACTUALLY hostile to them is another matter (I also happen to think that they are, and hence, I am extremly cynical, but I have no way of actually knowing).
The point I tried to make is that a large segment of the population entirely distrusts the judiciary, and as a result, we're seeing things like Constitutional Amendments protecting marriage. I submit that even if the judiciary isn't, in fact, hostile towards social conseratives or Christians, it is a bad thing if large numbers of those people believe it to be the case. They have written off one-third of the government (not to mention, naturally, the 4th branch of the media). To that end, I at least applaud the attempt to see if the judiciary is hostile. If this survey is flawed, I hope that the comments being made are done with the idea to improve it. After all, wouldn't all of us want to know if, in fact, the judiciary is biased or hostile to a particular people?
Or have the legal realists so won the debate that, if they're biased against Christians, that's ok?
TRUTHINESS!!!!!
Catholic cases tend to fall disproportionately into the area of education. Before concluding that Catholics face discrimination in the courts it is worth examining these claims as distinct from other categories.
This suggests to me that there is evidence in the data that in fact there are substantial differences in the types of claims brought by members of different groups, and that this accounts for Sisk's results.
We also know that judges are influenced by their religious beliefs on some issues. E.g., Catholic judges are much less likely to look favorably upon a gay rights claim than are Jewish judges.
??? Um, thanks? Why the excitement?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness
I agree that this belief exists. I am extremely dubious about its validity. I agree that (if I am right, and the belief is incorrect) it is a Very Bad Thing for people to hold that erroneous belief, because (as you point out) it leads to all sorts of flailing around that is not only unnecessary, it is affirmatively harmful.
Unfortunately, it seems that there is a lot of political gold to be mined in convincing people that the judiciary hates conservatives. The most effective way to avoid creating and sustaining what (in my mind) is a largely erroneous impression of hostility is not to undertake "research" that seems to have political overtones, but rather to have "conservative elites" (e.g., O'Reilly) stop pounding the table about this supposed bias.
I'm saying that Sisk is not clear on what makes one religious sect "orthodox" or "traditional" and another not. Without an intelligent distinction, the rest of his data is meaningless. Further, Sisk calls "traditional" sects like the Southern Baptists that have (at least arguably) strayed far from the traditional positions of their faith. He therefore takes sides in what should be intrafaith disputes.
Although it's not a perfect correlation, his definition of "traditional" appears to mean "politically conservative".
It's too bad Sisk is just dumping digests of his law review articles into this blog instead of defending his arguments.
The population of the U.S. has moved markedly to the right in a number of areas since Nixon. Ideas that were considered lunatic fringe when I was young (that inflation was largely driven by changes in the money supply, that welfare programs tended to encourage dependency, Christianity, that homosexuality was a sickness) have become mainstream.
Judges, on the other hand, being lawyers, have not moved to the right. If anything, they have moved to the left. Look at who voted for Lawrence!
Judges who issue temporary injunctions to require states to pay for sex-change operations for prisoners. You tell me: is this perception of judges as liberals the doing of big bad Fox News? Or the doing of judges like these?
Thesis: Judges keep changing the rules to suit liberals.
Evidence: Los Angeles taking a cross off their county seal.
A guy in Massachusetts didn't get jail time for statutory rape with a 15 year old.
A judge grants an injunction pending evaluation of a claim by the ACLU.
None of those examples in any way supports your thesis. I see rules there, but no examples of changing rules to fit liberal sensibilities. I certainly don't see anything there that suggests unequal treatment based on the religious identification of parties, which is of course that this thread is supposed to be about. Did Los Angeles keep a star and crescent on their county seal when they eliminated the cross?
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=1635472
I think it's the doing of people who take isolated and unrepresentative anecdotes and spread them as if they were representative of the judiciary.
In other words, this is a question of what drugs the state should be required to provide inmates in its care.
In this particular case, maybe the state should, maybe it shouldn't, but the question is hardly way out there. Mr. Cramer's assertion, however, is. As usual.
ENo jail time for raping a 15 year old? Sixty days for molesting a 9 year old (later revised after a firestorm of negative publicity)? These sure sound like liberalism at work to me--child molestation isn't a serious crime.
As for taking the cross off the county seal: a similar threat of suit in Rohnert Park caused them to remove both a cross and a Star of David from their city seal. This is not a position required by the establishment clause; it is a position that is required by the ACLU's misreading of history.
I love argument by anecdote because nobody is ever wrong, they just go to their next story.
And the article he referenced says this:
Claims of discrimination seem to span a spectrum from direct (Jews need not apply; must be white to vote) to indirect (applicants must be willing to work on Saturdays; employers may not discriminate based on marital status; must have voting grandfather to avoid voting test). The more the discrimination is an as-applied outcome, the less likely the court is to find impermissible (unconstitutional/illegal) discrimination. Due to the way laws and regulations are enacted, it is highly unlikely that majority groups will be directly and expressly dicriminated against. The indirect cases call upon the court to go close to policy decisions (what are the relative costs and public/governmental interests affected, etc), and the less certain is the outcome.