Rooting for Your Team:
I just had another thought about citizen involvement in the GWOT. Many have long contended that organized sports is an emotional substitute for warfare. Consider how involved fans become with their teams. They even buy at great expense "official" clothing and wear it to show their support. Teams cultivate their fans, at least smart ones do.

However, unlike WWII, with this real war, no such "official" involvement exists. And given press coverage of the war, you cannot even stay reliably informed of its progress — unless you follow blogs, of course, but that is a highly niche audience. The only box score you get is how many soldiers and Iraqi civilians have been blown to bits each day. This is like following a team by reading just the daily injury reports (which true fans do read).

To push the analogy to the breaking point. Think of the NFL players in the backfield on a defensive stand waiving to their arms to get the fans to scream. Think of the effect of a home team quickly falling behind in a game, so they lose their "home-field advantage." The obvious analogy here is to efforts to support the troops, etc.

But here is where the analogy breaks down, but in an illuminating way: In asymmetric warfare, unlike in sports, terrorists are hoping they do not have to defeat the opposing players on the field. They just have to sufficiently demoralize the "fans" until their players get "redeployed." So their actions are aimed at the fans, through the media, as much as at their opponents on the field. Which is all the more reason why cultivating fan or, rather, citizen involvement with a real war is even more important than with war-subsitutes like organized sports. With American wars prior to Korea, this seems to have been better understood by the administration in power.

(Civil comments only please)

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M (mail):
Just so long as people don't star thinking that putting some stupid magnet on the back of their car counts as a meaningful contribution to the "war" effort!
6.30.2006 2:21pm
BGates (mail) (www):
M, it does, at least in aggregate. If every member of Congress saw every car in their district had a magnet on it advertising support for the war effort, Congress would make it clear that it offered bipartisan support the war effort as well. If that happened, our enemy's chance of success would drop to zero, and they would know it.
6.30.2006 2:38pm
alkali (mail) (www):
If every member of Congress saw every car in their district had a magnet on it advertising support for the war effort, Congress would make it clear that it offered bipartisan support the war effort as well. If that happened, our enemy's chance of success would drop to zero, and they would know it.

If everybody in Jacksonville, Florida and Portland, Oregon were 100% behind the war effort, exactly how would that stop warfare between Shiite militias and Sunni insurgents?
6.30.2006 2:48pm
notverycrucial:
You're making quite the asssumption that the goal of these terrorists is to get the "players" redeployed" by demoralizing the "fans" of said players. I'm not sure it's that simple.

Many believe that bin Laden wanted the U.S. to invade Iraq. After all, it helped his cause by making the U.S. look like crusading imperialists hell-bent on stealing Muslim land and oil. Why would Al-Qaeda want us to leave Iraq? Their goals are the the total destruction of America. The best way to attack the infidels is to have the infidels invade lands where the terrorists already live. Remeber: never get involved in a landwar in Asia.
6.30.2006 2:50pm
Blar (mail) (www):
I don't think that terrorists primarily succeed by demoralizing the other side's fans. For one thing, it's not as if our country is ever going to stop trying to catch terrorists and prevent terrorist attacks (even if the people doing this work aren't a clearly identified "team" on an official playing field). I think that terrorists succeed more by attracting fans to their side, and inspiring fervor among their fans. And the most important fans may be those who have no allegiance to either team - like much of the country during a Lakers-Heat NBA Finals who would be trying to decide whether they have more against Shaq or Kobe. The question is whether they can maintain their antipathy for both teams while the conflict between the two teams escalates, or whether 1) their dislike of one team will help them get drawn into rooting for the other team or 2) their dislike of the conflict will cause them to disengage from the sport and prevent them from opposing one of the teams. This dynamic is described more clearly here by someone without the burden of carrying on the metaphor.

The "demoralizing the other team's fans" argument is more relevant to actual military wars, like the one being fought right now in Iraq, but the sports analogy there is much more strained. It's not clear who exactly the teams are (I'm sure that there are more than two in Iraq), or what it would mean for different teams to "win". "Redeploying" our players is an essential move within the game, not a forfeit (and it can be mis-played in a variety of ways). And of course the Iraq war is not an isolated game that can be scored on its own terms, since it's embedded in the much larger game that I described in the first paragraph.
6.30.2006 3:04pm
Houston Lawyer:
The analogy breaks down in that sports fans can't call their team off the field. The terrorists are playing the press for chumps. The press has met their expectations at every turn.

America history over the last few decades shows that we tend to leave our allies in the lurch after we start taking casualties. Bin Laden and his cohorts are well aware of this and use our past lack of resolve as a recruiting tool. We'll just have to see whether the next administration lives up to Bin Laden's expectations.
6.30.2006 3:07pm
RK (mail):
Nobody sells toy guns anymore -- we need more "official U.S. Army" gear.

And since there's no World Cup post yet today, DEUTSCHLAND UEBER ALLES BABI!
6.30.2006 3:09pm
Volvodriver (mail):
This crystallizes the source of much of my disquiet with Operation Iraqi Freedom. Well put.

The problem is that this offers a ready-made failure-responsibility shiting mechanism for everyone. Those who do not support the invasion and/or execution of the occupation can plausibly argue that the failure of "fan" support is directly attributable to the administration's instant politicization of the war, excessive overuse of ugly words like "treason," and decision to mount an invasion with, at best, a polarized American polity behind it.

The supporters of the war will plausibly argue that the failure of fan support was entirely the fault of the liberal media, etc.

I fall into the former camp. I believe that the political strategy for "selling" the war at home was deeply, unforgivably flawed. This president made zero, absolutely zero effort to prepare the country for what was coming. Instead, we got predictions that we would be greeted as liberators, and that we would be showered with flowers as if it were the liberation of Paris.

This contrasts very unfavorably in my mind with the lead up to Desert Storm in 1992. At that time, there was serious talk of very heavy casualties, of the purchaing of body bags, and non-grandstanding talk of renewing the draft. I recall this clearly because, in 1991-92, I was at the age that would be most affected by any new draft. It was all very deadly serious. Even the debate in Congress, in which the Democrats were "wrong," emphasized the deadly seriousness of the whole affair. I think this process had the American people prepared for a worst case scenario in Desert Storm.

Bush did all this even though he and his team HAD to know that the Iraq's defenses in Kuwait were so vulnerable--otherwise how did they know how to destroy the Iraqi forces so quickly?

Bush the Younger took the opposite strategy in the face of much greater risk: he sold the best case scenario. When reality proved uglier, I think this awful decision made it impossible to secure the necessary "fan" support back home.
6.30.2006 3:15pm
Brian Garst (www):
Of course they are trying to demoralize us and get us to leave so we'll stop killing them. All you have to do is read some of the transcripts from the bin laden tapes to see that. They are practically a copy of the DNC talking points.
6.30.2006 3:22pm
CJColucci:
How do you get and keep your "fans" behind the "team?" How about putting out a good product, with coaches and general managers who know what they're doing, who don't send the team to the wrong stadium on game day, who make sure the players have helmets, cups, shoes, and what-not, and who have a draft, free-agent, and player-development strategy that might actually produce a winning team? Of course, if that's too hard, you can always blame the sportswriters. And some fans can be counted on to buy that.
6.30.2006 3:31pm
Bruce:
Thanks, Brian, for that "civil" comment.

Anyhoo, back to Randy's post, I wouldn't attribute any special foresight to pre-Korea administrations. They simply had a lot more control over news coverage. In part that was due to tightly controlled access to the battlefield -- something which is much more difficult when there are no front lines -- and in part that was due to the fact that the press largely saw themselves as cheerleaders for the war effort. Thankfully times have changed. I'd much rather have a press that is too skeptical than one that omits negative information.
6.30.2006 3:37pm
JosephSlater (mail):
The sports metaphor is interesting, but we could take it in a different direction. If a coach or team owners set very high expecations for a team publicly ("we'll win the championship just like last year," analogized to "five weeks, five months, not longer"; "the war will pay for itself"; "we'll be treated like liberators," etc.) but then miss those expectations very badly, fan support for the team will drop and anger will be directed at the coach and owners. This is especially true when it appears that the predictions were missed because of serious mistakes made by the coach/owners. And right now, a bunch of Americans think the Bush administration has mishandled the war and thus not delivered what it promised. Along those lines, maybe more sports coaches should figure out the rhetorical equivalent of "criticizing us means you don't support the troops (team)."

Second, however, I think the sport analogy breaks down in at least one serious way. Sporting events are played because they are fun, entertaining, and generally a good thing. Wars are generally bad things, or at least they cause a lot of suffering and death, which means they need a really strong justification. In the case of Iraq, at least to an increasing number of Americans, the justifications are increasingly looking discredited: no WMDs, no connection to 9/11, and the whole "establish a beach-head of democracy in the Mid-East" thing has been tenuous at best. Rooting for the home team in, say, a meaningless pre-season game is one thing; supporting a way that seems to lack justification is another.

So, generally, while it's interesting to think about how Bush could have prosecuted the war in a less divisive, partisan way and/or tried to get more "investment" by the public, I don't think the war's increasing unpopularity is due to bad salesmanship -- it's because it's a bad product.
6.30.2006 3:42pm
Lawstsoul:
The problem is that the owners and GM, former cheerleaders all, never actually played the game, except w/ computers and toys. Meanwhile, the team is running out of players, and none of those screaming fans are willing to come down out of the stands and suit up.
6.30.2006 3:43pm
Lawstsoul:
How about, we've got the best football team money can buy. Unfortunately the game is chess. Oh well, it's Friday afternoon.
6.30.2006 3:48pm
Angus:
I think a major shift happened in the LBJ administration with the "Guns and Butter" approach to Vietnam, ie. We can have a war, but are told it will not disrupt our lives in any way whatsoever, nor require much sacrifice on the part of Americans as a whole. That mindset is one reason why war sentiment turned so sharply after 1968 when the war became unexpectedly and increasingly burdensome on Americans generally (including the eventual turn to the draft lottery).

The Bush administration did the same thing, saying we could have a war with few casualties, Iraq's oil would pay for the war, we would be greeted as liberators and with no resistance, etc. Two wars in Afghanistan and Iraq plus a big tax cut at the same time! Now that Americans are seeing the pain continue to spread in blood and cost, mentally they feel betrayed by the whole experience.

I think the root cause of that shift in sentiment is that the general public was detached from the war from the invasion of Afghanistan onwards. Public support drives were made to seem symbolic rather than necessary, optional rather than critical to our long term success. In short, as Randy said, the administration never sought to bring the broad public on board apart from a few throw away lines in stump speeches.
6.30.2006 3:53pm
BT:
For those of us who are on the "there is a war on terrorism that needs to be fought and fought hard" side it is important to realize that there is a significant percentage of the American population,(my guess about 1/3) who for various reasons, do not believe that and they too will be represented by various institutions such as the NYT to get their view point out and to do what damage they can to the current administration and those who support this war and the war effort in general. One of their goals is to demoralize as much of our side as possible as well as those who are in the middle. As this war extends towards the next presidential election, you can bet that more and more leakers will come forward with more damaging information about various programs that will be exposed by the NYT's etc. To them the whole war on terror is illegitimate. What surprises me is that my side has been so unprepared for this.
6.30.2006 3:58pm
Irensaga (mail):
Well, the use of media scare tactics by the insurgents in Iraq seems only fair.

Since that's exactly what Bush used to put troops in Iraq in the first place.
6.30.2006 4:08pm
Randy Barnett (mail) (www):
Actually, I think the leaking of these secret programs has been a net positive for the morale of those who support the GWOT. It shows that the administration is actually doing something effective to fight the war. Any damage to the war effort caused by the leaking is to the effectiveness against the enemy of the exposed methods, not to the morale of the war's supporters.
6.30.2006 4:09pm
Shangui (mail):
And given press coverage of the war, you cannot even stay reliably informed of its progress — unless you follow blogs, of course,

Is this meant sarcastically? I definitely agree that one doesn't get fully reliable report of the war in Iraq, etc. from the MSM coverage, but the notion that blogs somehow DO keep people more reliably informed is laughable. Can anyone name a single blogger that has access to this type of information?

Moving on, Joseph Slater hits it on on the head. War is fundamentally different from sports in that the real stakes are so much higher. I didn't support the invasion of Iraq not because the US Army failed to market properly, but for a host of reasons that don't fit it to any sports analogy that comes to mind (the inspectors should be given more time, Iraq is not a real military threat to the US at this point, the war is doomed to fail to achieve its stated goals, there's not connection between Iraq and 911, etc., etc.). I have great respect for Professor Barnett but I frankly think that this recent line of thought--that if the gov't had just instilled more team spirit in us that that would have gotten us all behind what many consider a deeply mistaken and immoral action--to be insulting.
6.30.2006 4:09pm
Steve:
I see we have yet another "civil" discussion where one side claims that the other side wants America to lose, doesn't care about fighting terrorism or keeping Americans safe, yadda yadda, and the other side offers defensive responses about how they're just as patriotic as the other guys, etc. Kind of a waste of what could be a productive discussion forum.

There is a fundamental disagreement at the heart of all this and it has nothing to do with whether one hopes America will win or lose the war on terror.

Some people believe Iraq, setting aside the issue of how we got there, is the central front in the war on terror and we simply cannot afford to accept anything other than total success. Any sort of retreat from Iraq, they argue, short of eliminating all the terrorists we can find and setting up a stable, democratic government, would embolden our terrorist enemies and encourage them to attack America again. If the cost is high - although it certainly can be called low by comparison to war efforts such as WWII and Vietnam - it makes no difference, because if we care about beating the terrorists, this is a front on which we simply must prevail.

Other people believe Iraq was a mistake and a distraction from the overall fight against terrorism. They believe we are inflicting relatively little damage on the worldwide terrorist infrastructure through our presence in Iraq, and that we are, indeed, aiding the terrorists' recruiting efforts and providing them with free propaganda material by continuing to occupy a Middle Eastern nation. They believe that the majority of the ongoing problems in Iraq relate to sectarian violence which, while regrettable, has little to do with the international terror networks we seek to destroy; and they believe our continuing presence in Iraq only serves to exacerbate the sectarian violence. These people believe that we can "redeploy" from Iraq, focus our efforts and manpower elsewhere, and thereby increase our chances of ending the terrorist threat.

These are diametrically opposite viewpoints; but it seems clear there is plenty of room within each of them for plenty of people of good faith. Yet at least on the Internet and in our public political sphere, there is so little good-faith discussion of these issues, and it's quite sad.
6.30.2006 4:13pm
Steve:
Actually, I think the leaking of these secret programs has been a net positive for the morale of those who support the GWOT.

I really don't understand the dichotomy you're setting up here, Prof. Barnett. From where I sit, for example, no one of any significance is opposed to government surveillance of suspected terrorists. The debate over the NSA wiretapping program is between those who believe the program is fine as is, and those who believe that FISA warrants should be required, to avoid the possibility of abuse and because it's the law. Virtually everyone who has taken sides on the NSA issue aligns with one of those two perspectives - is it truly your contention that only one of the two sides "supports the GWOT"?

There are a lot of people who believe that we could be mounting a stronger, more effective effort against the terrorist threat by doing things differently than the present administration is doing them. It seems odd, and more than a bit slanted, to suggest that people in this category simply don't support the war on terror.
6.30.2006 4:23pm
Lawstsoul:
Assume something occurred that resulted in 90% of the population accepting and alternative viewpoint as the correct way to deal with terrorism. We'd still be left with the question of who has the competence and trustworthiness to lead the country on that course.
6.30.2006 4:36pm
Lawstsoul:
"Actually, I think the leaking of these secret programs ..."

Assuming facts not in evidence.
6.30.2006 4:38pm
Lawstsoul:
"... the morale of those who support the GWOT"

As opposed to those who think terrorist should be left in peace? Nice straw man.
6.30.2006 4:48pm
Andrew J. Lazarus (mail):
Bush's problem is that he's the manager of a .450 team and he wants everyone to talk about him like he's the Master Architect of the 1929 Yankees. He's got our closers pitching inning after inning in Iraq, but I suppose that's small potatoes compared to his insistence on playing in the wrong stadium.

You guys write as if Bush thinks Osama bin Laden is the enemy. The enemy is now, and always has been, liberals and the Democratic Party, and OBL is merely a convenient front. Don't believe me? Fall 2002. Bush is getting his Iraq War resolution. Those of us with brains know he means to go to war—even before we read that VP Cheney has been informed by that great Cincinnatus of the Central Valley, Victor Davis Hanson, that a war is a precondition for being a Great Leader—how hard would it be to throw the Democrats a sop and let public employee unions do their thing in the Homeland Security Department? Real hard. Bush counts the votes; he sees he can screw the unions and, bonus time, make the Democrats look weak on Homeland Security as some of them will refuse to accept his version. I don't have to remind you of the result, right? The 2002 midterm election goes great for Bush. Dick Gephardt is so confused by what hit him, the doofus still hadn't clued up two years later. George Bush doesn't care how many people are behind his war, so long as one more person is behind him than his political opponent.

"He [Bush] truly enjoys getting people to knuckle under."
6.30.2006 5:02pm
Frank Drackmann (mail):
The 1929 Yankees finished 88-66, 18 games behind the Philadelphia A's. Still ahead of the US World Cup team though.
6.30.2006 5:10pm
Informed Observer (mail):
"Which is all the more reason why cultivating fan or, rather, citizen involvement with a real war is even more important than with war-subsitutes like organized sports. With American wars prior to Korea, this seems to have been better understood by the administration in power."

I have serious doubts that earlier administrations had a "better understanding" of this phenomena, given that marketing/public relations is a far more evolved science today than it was in the WWII era and earlier. What seems more likely is that because of the scale of those earlier conflicts (with the arguable exception of the Spanish-American War) it was actually necessary to mobilize a major part of the American economy for a realistic prospect of victory. As is being demonstrated in Iraq/Afghanistan, the US economy is now so huge it can fight against an insurgency movement indefinitely without significant economic dislocation.
6.30.2006 5:14pm
Bob Bobstein (mail):
So, George Bush is James Dolan and Donald Rumsfeld is Isaiah Thomas? That makes some sense...

Except, in sports, you play who the schedulers decide you play; here, it's like Dolan and Thomas decided to send the Knicks to play a curling match in Siberia against the Russian Curling Team. Not a whole lot of good can come of that, for the Knicks, but bad stuff can.
6.30.2006 5:16pm
Taeyoung (mail):
Which is all the more reason why cultivating fan or, rather, citizen involvement with a real war is even more important than with war-subsitutes like organized sports.

I haven't a clue what "cultivating . . . citizen involvement" would look like in this context. What would that be? Sending civilians out in the field to get their heads cut off? Sending returning soldiers around officially to talk to civilians and tell them how horrid our enemies are? Printing out home team gear (i.e. American flags, eagles), and getting people to paste them everywhere? Posters talking ominously about how loose lips sink ships, and encouraging the population to report all suspicious activity to the authorities? Soviet-style Nuremburg show trials for the defeated enemy, broadcast on primetime? Getting the churches to pass around the donations hat for the soldiers in the field? White feathers for young men who don't enlist?

Really, I am at a loss. Am I barking up completely the wrong tree here?
6.30.2006 5:17pm
JosephSlater (mail):
Andrew Lazarus makes a great point about what was really going on in the formation of the DHS: get the unions and make the Dems look bad. I hope it's not too far off topic to point out that just three days ago, the D.C. Circuit upheld the D.C. District Court in finding that the personnel regs that the Bush admin. crafted for DHS workers didn't meet even the minimal requirements for worker rights contained in the law creating the DHS. So, even though the Repubs fought successfully to get a DHS law that allowed them to weaken worker rights, the regs they came up with went gutted basic protections for employees even more than the law allowed. NTEU v. Chertoff, (D.C. Cir., No. 05-5436, June 27, 2006).

This is the sort of thing that I meant when my first post referred to the Bush administration's divisive, partisan conduct of the war. Maybe the sports analogy is a team manager calling half his potential fan base disloyal fools.

The ironic thing is that in comparison to at least most previous wars (Vietnam, for example), there is almost certainly a much smaller portion of the U.S. population that actually sympathizes with the "other side" in the war on terrorism. Seriously: liberals don't like religious fanatics. But the Bush admin. and some of its supporters feel it necessary to pretend they do. Whether that's because they want to try to shift blame, simply press a political advantage, or both, it's shameful.
6.30.2006 5:22pm
Richard Aubrey (mail):
Interesting metaphor which quickly reaches its limits.

That the terrs are playing to the stands is pretty clear, though.


As somebody said, the terrs and the MSM have framed the issue such that blowing up an old Lada within sight of the journos' hotel is a victory. Killing forty of them is meaningless. The terrs, I mean, not the journos.
6.30.2006 5:25pm
Richard Aubrey (mail):
Interesting metaphor which quickly reaches its limits.

That the terrs are playing to the stands is pretty clear, though.


As somebody said, the terrs and the MSM have framed the issue such that blowing up an old Lada within sight of the journos' hotel is a victory. Killing forty of them is meaningless. The terrs, I mean, not the journos.
6.30.2006 5:25pm
jack (mail):
Home field advantage is nice, having a lot of supporting fans can make a team feel good, and in baseball fan support can provide exra cash with which to recruit free agents, but I think that most of us who have followed sports will concede that fan enthusiasm is not where one first looks when ranking contenders or deciding on point spreads. The Florida Marlins beat the New York Yankees in the world series even though they played out their season in a largely empty arena. Being able to scout and develop pitching talent is a lot more important than a big media following or having a lot of fan appreciation nights. I think that the administration likes bet with only an inside straight draw is a lot worse than that they have bad PR.
6.30.2006 5:29pm
Informed Observer (mail):
"How about, we've got the best football team money can buy. Unfortunately the game is chess."

Better analogy: The US has the best baseball team money can buy, but the game is test cricket, which the administration has actually figured out, but insists on continuing to tell the fans that the game is merely going into extra innings.
6.30.2006 5:46pm
big dirigible (mail) (www):
The sports analogy makes more sense if the two teams are more properly identified. The scenario is that the only power which can defeat the United States is - the United States. A bunch of guys skulking around and planting bombs can't win a war, any more than the cheerleaders can win a game by themselves. But the two teams are actually both in the United States. One team believes that the climactic war of civilization is taking place right now, that Iraq is just one battle in that war, and that anything but total victory would be a disaster for everything we consider to be of value. The other team refuses to believe that we're in the middle of something so dumb as a throwback to a medieval religious war, and insists that it's all some sort of con job by George Bush, that he bamboozled us into Iraq, that fighting just makes things worse, blah blah.

In this situation, though, just how the Administration could get the citizenry more involved, in any helpful way, isn't clear. But I don't believe the percentages have shifted much. Those who won't face the reality of the current war against medieval religious bellicosity are, perhaps, a third of the population, as mentioned above. Those who believe it's a real war, and a serious one, are the rest. That split was apparent, I think, on September 12 - a good chunk of the electorate was defeated, morally, by the attack the day before, and will never recover. The percentages haven't changed much since then. The constant barrage of polls telling us that support is falling are inconsequential, as they fail to differentiate between those who insist there's no war at all, and those who think it should be pursued with more vigor - both are lumped into the same category, even though they couldn't be more different.
6.30.2006 8:24pm
Justin (mail):
This seems a variation of the deservedly criticized Tinkerbell
theory of the GWOT.
6.30.2006 8:31pm
Steve:
That split was apparent, I think, on September 12 - a good chunk of the electorate was defeated, morally, by the attack the day before, and will never recover. The percentages haven't changed much since then.

Don't let the facts get in the way of your theory, friend.
6.30.2006 9:32pm
randal (mail):
This is not a particularly illuminating analogy. But even if it were, the way to engage the fans is to not be a crappy team. No one buys the official merchandise of some loser team who can't win a game.
6.30.2006 10:36pm
Andrew J. Lazarus (mail):
That split was apparent, I think, on September 12 - a good chunk of the electorate was defeated, morally, by the attack the day before, and will never recover.

But he is completely correct. Somewhere in his 9/12 hypoxic dungeon, VP Cheney lost it, morally. That isn't whom he meant?
6.30.2006 10:36pm
Truth Seeker:
Shangui said

And given press coverage of the war, you cannot even stay reliably informed of its progress — unless you follow blogs, of course,

Is this meant sarcastically? I definitely agree that one doesn't get fully reliable report of the war in Iraq, etc. from the MSM coverage, but the notion that blogs somehow DO keep people more reliably informed is laughable. Can anyone name a single blogger that has access to this type of information?

Of course it's not sarcastic, where have you been? There are several bloggers like Michael Yon who travel with the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and provide infititely better coverage on their blogs than the reporters at the hotels in the green zone in Baghdad. Like moment by moment reprots on raids and ambushes. See:
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/
6.30.2006 11:04pm
mr. meade (mail):
The blogs can and sometimes do cover this war in ways that are more informative, less restrained by editorial decision-making, and otherwise not beholden to many of the problems associated with the "mainstream media". But to say that any single blog can give the truth regarding this immensely important, wide-ranging, corruption-ridden, heroically-active, needed sacrifice of an unnecessarily-bloated pseudo-war is utter foolishness. I must be insane to admit to believing much that I read about Iraq/Afghanistan/WOT, but I do. I read the big newspapers, the annoying bloggers who aren't even close to the action, the warbloggers, the antiwarbloggers, and the partisan shills alike.

I think I have a good view of this war. It's clear as very frothy mud.
7.1.2006 12:24am
K Parker (mail):
It's quite true that those earlier wartime presidents (a) had more control over the media (says Bruce) and (b) presided over wars that required a larger-scale mobilization than our current one (says Informed Observer.

But in addition, all those earlier wars were conquests for terrain, and you could see the progress charted on a map. Here, the really notable advances are political events related to Iraqi voting and the establishment of a government--important enough, but not remotely compelling like, say, the US advance across the Pacific.
7.1.2006 12:47am
K Parker (mail):
Oops, I should have said contests for terrain, not conquests. Some of them indeed were the latter, but others plainly not.
7.1.2006 1:33am
Harry Eagar (mail):
lawstsoul sez, "How about, we've got the best football team money can buy. Unfortunately the game is chess."

I think that is about right.

Bush decided that Islam is a religion of peace and a tiny fraction of malcontents who dissented from that were the enemy.

If he was wrong, and Islam is the enemy and a tiny fraction of reconciliationists within the religion are the exceptions, then everything he has done was wrongheaded.

The first rule of grand strategy is to identify your foe.
7.1.2006 3:07am
Just:
"It shows that the administration is actually doing something effective to fight the war."

Lol. Do yourself a favor, RB, stay away from war commenting. Your credibility's at stake...

The idea that the president should try to pull the nation together? A little too little, a little too late, babe. Hopefully this is civil, if a bit harsh.
7.1.2006 3:14am
Just:
PS. For a good example of overkill, of what not to do strategically , see Israel's latest adventure. Goliath indeed.
7.1.2006 3:16am
llamasex (mail) (www):
Sports analogies and ascribing motives can be fun! This is like watching a sports game and your team can't win, the best outcome is a stalemate, but as the game goes on your top players are getting hurt. And there are future games to play and those games that mean more when it comes to winning the season. Yet because people who support the war like to watch our troops get hurt as long as it bloodies the other side, these gore fanatics and it isn't their asses on the line, they aren't feeling the pain. They go rah rah rah, despite looking at the bigger picture.
7.1.2006 4:07am
luagha:
Re: overkill:

Actually, given the Palestinian (leadership) outlook, this kind of overkill is exactly the right action. They see concessions as a spur to greater malevolent action, and they retreat in the face of violence. This is clearly the only way to work the situation. Since all previous 'diplomatic' solutions never result in action on the Palestinian side, this response must be the way to go.

For a while I've said that what Israel needs to do is unilaterally acknowledge the Palestinian state, and then declare war for countless causus belli. This looks to be pretty much it.
7.1.2006 5:14pm
Just:
This is clearly the only way to work the situation. Since all previous 'diplomatic' solutions never result in action on the Palestinian side, this response must be the way to go.

Um... it's not working? Israel has tried overkill, bombing for years now. What has it bought thus far? Wake me up when this new escapade proves successful -- other than as a costume play, I mean.

For a while I've said that what Israel needs to do is unilaterally acknowledge the Palestinian state, and then declare war for countless causus belli. This looks to be pretty much it.

Um... fine. Israel should pass the hat to folks like you who get your jollies off explosions that really accomplish nada.

Say, who's paying for that power plant it was necessary to blow up? To get the captured soldier back, I mean? Who insured the million dollar loss?

Check it out. All the working Americans will be paying for that folly. Wait 'il ya see how that one plays in Peoria... Oy Jesus. And some of you still think you're winning this game
7.1.2006 6:51pm
Just:
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel's bombing of Gaza's main power plant could end up costing its closest ally, the U.S. government, because it partially insured the project for up to $48 million, officials involved in the project said on Saturday.

U.S. officials would not say whether Washington would ask Israel for reimbursement.

Israel bombed the power plant on Wednesday at the start of an offensive to try to get Palestinian militants to free a captured soldier, Corporal Gilad Shalit.

A Western aid official involved in the matter said Israel's decision to hit the power plant was a surprise in large part "because it was American-owned."

The Israeli army, in a statement, defended the attack, saying the power plant was targeted "in order to disrupt the activities of the terror infrastructure involved directly and indirectly in the abduction of Corporal Shalit."

In July 2004, a subsidiary of Morganti Group Inc., a Connecticut-based construction company, received $48 million in political risk insurance for the 140 megawatt plant from the U.S. Overseas Private Investment Corp. (OPIC), an arm of the U.S. government that backs American business deals abroad.

The plant began generating power in June 2002 and reached full commercial operation in March 2004, OPIC said in a statement at the time announcing its support for the project.

"OPIC has been told by Morganti that it will be submitting a claim," said Micaela Schweitzer-Bluhm, spokeswoman for the U.S. consulate in Jerusalem. "OPIC has to assess the claim before it will make a decision."

But according to officials involved in the project, OPIC plans to reimburse the company for the damages using U.S. funds.
7.1.2006 6:53pm
luagha:
As has been proven time and time again, just bombing is never enough. One has to go in and play the ground game.

I'd say the failure isn't overkill, it's the lack of it; insufficient and improper use of force. Capturing Hamas 'officials' who are already wanted for trial is a good beginning.
7.1.2006 10:32pm
Just:
"One has to go in and play the ground game."

Correction: one has to go in and win the ground game. Whether this game is y/ours to be won on the ground or not, remains to be proven. Which goes back to my very first point: where is even a whiff of success?, where is any evidence of progress? Surely with years of this type of strategy, you can point to some increased level of security? Some "bang" for the buck, as the saying goes? Tough guys indeed.
7.2.2006 9:08am
Just:
(Oh, and I don't count numbers of dead bodies as evidence of any progress or success, so don't give me numbers of how many killed. True progress, true success requires much more than body counting. You'd do better to count the number of the live bodies -- yep, still there -- to see how you're really progressing in the region.
7.2.2006 9:10am
Just:
What's the plan for those live bodies, those still living? That's the real test of successful strategy, my friends.
7.2.2006 9:11am
luagha:
You're absolutely right in that one has to win the ground game and the definition of 'win' is a hard one - in that Israel is unlikely to do things like 'casualty everyone there and relocate the wounded survivors.'

But time and time again has shown that when Israel is militarily strong the number of violent attacks goes down - and retaliatory strikes on Israel's part go down as well. When Israel 'shows weakness' the 'Palestinian Leadership' (if it can be called that) steps up attacks to push for more.

Certainly there are other factors, like the level of backing from outside forces. But I can safely say that much of it goes back to Middle Eastern philosophy. You can now cue Osama bin Laden's sound bite on strong horses and weak ones.
7.3.2006 3:59am