The Volokh Conspiracy

Laurence Tribe Responds About the Massachusetts Justices' Concurrence:

Here's his comment (links added by me):

The question that the Greaney/Ireland concurring opinion presents is certainly an intriguing one. I agree with what I take to be Marty Lederman’s view that Eugene Volokh's interpretation of that concurrence is by no means the most generous possible construction of the point the two SJC justices are trying to make; and I agree that Marty’s carefully nuanced re-reading of their opinion is a linguistically possible one inasmuch as the Massachusetts initiative doesn't appear to be written as an explicit exception to the "protections of liberty, equality, tolerance, and the access of all citizens to equal rights and benefits" found elsewhere in the Massachusetts Constitution. Given that the asserted conflict between the initiative and those protections would exist only on this premise, I wholeheartedly agree:

-- that the question posed by the task of reconciling seemingly inconsistent constitutional provisions, each on the same formal plane of sovereign legitimacy, is far from self-answering;

-- that the "last-in-time" principle is not an inevitable corollary of the axioms of self-governance over time;

-- that overarching principles of "clear statement" for establishing a hierarchy among otherwise conflicting provisions — principles themselves subject to modification in any truly "republican" form of government — could well support a conclusion that inadvertent derogation from core protections of equality of citizenship is to be avoided;

-- that Jed Rubenfeld's work, especially, is pertinent to that issue; and

-- that, in any event, the concurrence performs a valuable service in reminding the People of Massachusetts that the matter before them is one that should be taken with utmost seriousness.

That said, I tend to read the concurrence less generously than Marty has read it and see in it more of the seeds of an imperious and self-aggrandizing, even if unintended, assertion of judicial supremacy. In particular, I'm not at all sure that Justices Greaney and Ireland would agree with the two of us that, if the initiative had been expressly couched as an exception to the quoted equality principle, there would be no "conflict" of the conventional sort for the court to resolve — although, even on that assumption, an argument could certainly be made that some bedrock constitutional principles might be entrenched so deeply in any given constitutional system that more than a popular initiative of the current electorate would be required to "untrench" them, a proposition obviously more difficult to reconcile with classical versions of constitutional democracy.

A major difficulty I have with the Greaney/Ireland opinion even so is that it seems on its face to be less sensitive than one might wish to distinctions of this order and could even be said to be tone-deaf to the hegemonic view of judicial authority that it might be read as announcing.

For these reasons, I find myself in considerable sympathy with a good bit of what Eugene says in his immediate reaction to the concurrence.

UPDATE: Marty Lederman adds the following:

Thanks to Larry and Eugene for treating my provocation with perhaps more attention than it warranted. (Confession: I still haven't had a chance to read the SJC opinions themselves, and I will therefore assume that Eugene and Larry have accurately captured the tone, and the shortcomings, of the concurrence.) On further thought it does seem to me that Eugene was getting at something that I probably shortchanged, namely, that it's probably fair to assume that the "People" at all three points in time -- at the time of ratification of Constitutional Provision A; at the later time of ratification of inconsistent Provision B; and at the still-later time C, when the court is asked to resolve the conflict between A and B -- assume (for better or worse) that a "last in time" rule is the appropriate tie-breaker, even where the first-in-time provision might be more consistent with the Constitution as a whole, i.e., even when Provision B is the provision that is out of whack with the remainder of the document. And if that's correct -- if there is such a consensus of the People over time as to the proper methodological tie-breaker -- then that should establish the default rule for conflict-resolution as a matter of constitutional ethos, or some such thing. Which, conveniently enough, happens to coincide with what we all know the courts would invariably do! (Which is all the more reason why the concurrence was so startling . . . .)

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Grand CRU (mail):
Laurence Tribe reads Volokh Conspiracy? Hmm. I bet he even posts here. 4 possibilities come to mind:

1. Laurence Tribe posts here as KMAJ.
2. Laurence Tribe posts here as The Junkyard Dog.
3. Laurence Tribe posts here as Medis.
4. Laurence Tribe used to post here as JackJohn.
7.12.2006 6:44am
M. Lederman (mail):
Easy on the conspiracy theories, there, Grand CRU. I don't know whether, or how often, Prof. Tribe reads the VC. But in this case, he knew about the discussion because I -- writing under the pseudonym "Marty Lederman" -- brought it to his attention. (He and I have worked together on some post-Goodridge litigation, and the concurrence touches on jurisprudential questions that I knew were of interest to him.)

Best,

"M. Lederman."
7.12.2006 9:22am
Rob Johnson (mail):
Tribe sure uses a lot of words to say that Eugene is right.
7.12.2006 9:51am
bwilliamsdc:

Tribe sure uses a lot of words to say that Eugene is right.

Agreed. That second sentence, "I agree with what I take ...", is painful.
7.12.2006 10:07am
John C (mail):
Well, I don't think Prof. Tribe was saying that E. Volokh was right . . . I think he was saying that he sympathizes with his conclusions. What Prof. Tribe certainly is saying is that E. Volokh's characterization of this fascinating consitutional question as a throw-down between "the people" and the "Philosopher-Kings" is decidedly un-generous.

While I understand that Prof. Volokh needs to spice things up every so often to grab our attention, I think Prof. Tribe would agree (as I do) that framing this question as a fight between the good people and the villainous judges is overwrought.
7.12.2006 10:23am
El Capitan (mail):
I have to admit, I struggle to see how this is that difficult or even that intriguing a question. While it is by no means a sure thing that a subsequent enactment repeals an earlier one (eg the Copyright Clause remains intact even in light of the First Amendment), here you have a more specific, subsequent provision clearly aimed at a Supreme Court decision that rested in part on the broader, earlier provision. I have to say, there is little difficulty recognizing the correct synthesis here -- the constitution now makes plain that, wishes of the SCOMA aside, the guarentee of the "equal rights and benefits" does not encompass a right to marry a person of your own gender. I think any attempt to develop a "richer" theory, with all due respect to the learned professors (and I don't mean that sarcastically), has more to do with a dislike of that obvious synthesis than anything else.
7.12.2006 10:39am
Hans Gruber (www):
"Tribe sure uses a lot of words to say that Eugene is right."

LOL. My thought precisely.
7.12.2006 10:50am
John c (mail):

I have to admit, I struggle to see how this is that difficult or even that intriguing a question.


While your conclusion may be correct, to say that the answer to this question is self-evident is just vain. The argument is not whether a polity can amend their constitution in a way they see fit; the question is what happens when an amendment directly conflicts with a prior constitutional provision (as interpreted by the court). While you may disagree that that a constitutional court's interpretive decisions deserve the same respect as written words on the page (or that specific constitutional provisions can be enforced if they contradict the long-standing jurisprudential underpinnings of the document as a whole), to say that this question answers itself is entirely unhelpful.

Personally, I think I agree that the Greaney/Ireland concurrence is probably untenable as a matter of constitutional interpretation, but that doesn't mean the issue is self-evidently clear.
7.12.2006 11:23am
Postchaise (mail):
Lederman and Tribe make good points, but I'm puzzled by the focus on chronology. Why isn't the appropriate interpretive move just that we don't let a general constitutional provision override a specific one? We have an Equal Protection Clause and we have the Electoral College. The two (on some interpretations) are in tension. Assuming one of those interpretations, we still don't ask which was last in time. We just let the specific provision---whether the Electoral College, or the ban on foreign-born presidents, or the distribution of votes in the Senate---speak to the issue. Letting the more specific provision control when it is directly on point is the path of judicial modesty and best avoids unintended consequences in the amendment process.
7.12.2006 11:24am
Jake (Guest):
I'm not quite sure that I buy the caveat:

And if that's correct -- if there is such a consensus of the People over time as to the proper methodological tie-breaker -- then that should establish the default rule for conflict-resolution as a matter of constitutional ethos, or some such thing.

This analysis seems to claim that, while the People of the state are not allowed to explicitly enact new "inconsistent" rules, their implicit beliefs are sufficient to establish a meta-rule that actually allows such "inconsistent" rulemaking. It seems to me that if the explicit actions of the People are not enough to establish a rule, their (completely hypothetical--how could we possibly confirm this?) secret beliefs can not possibly be enough to establish a rule. Conversely, if we're willing to adopt a rule of interpretation based solely on people's beliefs, why not do so when they act on those beliefs?

Really, what's so unusual about the claim that, when the worldview underlying an amendment and the worldview underlying the original document are inconsistent, the amendment controls? For example, I don't think anybody has made a Ledermen style argument for reading the 14th amendment out of the US Constitution, or that they would be taken seriously if they did so.
7.12.2006 11:30am
KeithK (mail):
I do see this as a pretty straight forward question. If the people pass an amendment that specifically overrules or exempts from general provisions occurring elsewhere, the amendment has to be controlling both on temporal grounds and specificity.

That's not to say that there wouldn't be an open quesiton of interpretation in regards to a more general amendment that conflicts with other general clauses. That situation might leave plenty of room for interpretation as to where the two clauses overlap and intersect. I still feel that the amendment would have to be controlling in areas of overlap though.
7.12.2006 11:49am
El Capitan (mail):
John c,

The fact that no one has been able to conjure up a previous -- or even a hypothetical -- example of where a specific, subsequent amendment would not trump a previous, general amendment is why I don't find the question that intriguing. There might be some difficulty where two general laws can give rise to multiple interpretations, some of which conflict, but no one has suggested such a situation.

Greaney/Ireland might be a serious argument for construing the subsequent amendment narrowly, but it certainly isn't a serious argument for refusing to enforce its core text, or suggesting that the two provisions can't co-exist.
7.12.2006 11:55am
Michael B (mail):
"While your conclusion may be correct, to say that the answer to this question is self-evident is just vain." John C

Please. File that under: jockeying for position. That statement itself is a vanity. And it is not unimportant, petty or trivial to take note of such since it directly reflects a good deal of the subtexts invoked in support of Greaney and Ireland's concurrence. Greaney and Ireland's concurrence (exactly half-way into the judgement) amounts to laying the groundwork for raw power seeking forwarded with an incredible thin veneer of juridical gravitas. Too, M. Lederman's original offering, together with so much of what is reflected in these and related discussions, evokes the notion of the noble judge, the philosopher king, who sits above or beyond the fray and decides on the basis of only the highest of principles. Pooh and hooey. (What do people think "We the people ..." is all about in the first place?)

Judges are very much like corporate executives. They run and manage a business, a business of a different kind than most businesses to be sure: different assets and liabilities, different interests and risks, a different set of management principles, a different set of shareholders, different ways and means of holding them accountable, etc., but it's a business operation nonetheless; little or nothing more than that. They are not philosopher kings, they are not inherently or necessarily noble - perhaps even to the contary or perhaps they are merely common, average types - and certainly, they are not necessarily venal or to be viewed cynically either. But when they begin to subvert or obfuscate or abrogate the most seminal and the most foundational of Constitutional principles - the sovereignty of the people as reflected in "We the people ...," then one might be forgiven for viewing their power seeking with great dubiousness, to put it in very mild, understated terms indeed.
7.12.2006 12:28pm
Robert Lyman (mail):
the question is what happens when an amendment directly conflicts with a prior constitutional provision

Yes, it's a great mystery how we should elect Senators. Are they to be chosen by state legislators, or directly elected by the people of each state? There are two provisions in conflict! How can we possibly resolve this dilemma? Help, I need a someone much smarter than me (preferably in a black robe or tenure) to figure it out!
7.12.2006 12:45pm
Mike S (mail):
I am astonished that a judge or professor of law would consider for a moment the thought that a properly passed, specifically worded amendment to the constitution, done specifically to reverse a constitutional ruling, would be unable to do so. What is the theory of government that would allow that? Where does a constitution get its authority? presumably from the fact that it was passed before, and people today accept it rather than amend it. But if the people pass a specific amendment what possible excuse is there for ignoring it? It would be abundantly clear if such an amendment passes that the people do not accept the constitution as interpreted by the SJC in Goodrich. Who cares if the judges liked the constitution better before the amendment? They may be the ultimate legal authority in interpreting the constitution, but they don't get to write it all by themselves.
7.12.2006 1:43pm
John C (mail):
From the concurrence:

If the initiative is approved by the Legislature and ultimately adopted, there will be time enough, if an appropriate lawsuit is brought, for this court to resolve the question whether our Constitution can be home to provisions that are apparently mutually inconsistent and irreconcilable.


The reason this question is more than purely self-evident is becuase the Greaney/Ireland concurrence seems to argue that the proposed intiative would, by its wording, be truly irreconcilable with other provisions of the Constitution. Now, all of you can set up straw men by arguing that this means that judges will stop enforcing newer, specific amendments that they don't like, but that simply isn't what the concurrence seems to be saying. Greaney/Ireland seem to be struggling with the fact that two equal, yet mutually contradictory passages might soon exist in the Massachusetts constitution, and that "later in time" is not necessarily the best or only way to go about determining which gets preference.

For instance, if the amendment were to say "Nothing in this constitution may be construed as granting two individuals of the same sex the right to marry," then (I think) even Greaney/Ireland would acknowledge that it must be enforced. But what if the amendment simply said something like "The traditional definition of marriage is the policy of the state of Massachusetts" or something else sufficiently ambiguously phrased (as constitutional clauses are wont to be)? Would there not be room for more than one interpretive doctrine?

The very fact that this entire question rests on the character of the new amendment (as some of you have stated) means that the answer to this question ("Does last in time always win?") cannot by its very nature be self-evident.
7.12.2006 2:19pm
Robert Lyman (mail):
the Greaney/Ireland concurrence seems to argue that the proposed intiative would, by its wording, be truly irreconcilable with other provisions of the Constitution.

That is the point of an amendment. Why go to the trouble of passing something if you aren't changing something? ("Amendment XXV: The above Constitution is great. We don't feel like changing it at all right now, but check back later.") Who on Earth wants an "amendment" which is NOT inconsistent with other provisions?

As for the ambiguous "traditional marriage" language, that's a matter of interpreting the indeterminate phrase, not a question of whether the last in time should control.
7.12.2006 2:28pm
Michael B (mail):
John C,

I wasn't saying that an over-educated, agenda driven or casuistically inclined judge, or person, cannot construe the language as being difficult to apprehend, I was saying an unbeguiled reading cannot so construe Greaney's and Ireland's concurrence, and intentions. What Greaney and Ireland are saying is, recalling the memorable line from the "Wizard of Oz": "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain." You choose to listen to and heed the "wizard". I and others do not.

As such, they are nothing more than stereotypical business executive types: smoke and mirrors, advancing their agenda under a gloss of high-mindedness, knowing well that the congregation they're serving will eagerly applaud their rationale and initiative and clamor for yet more of the same. Regardless, it perforce abrogates the most seminal and foundational of Constitutional principles, as already noted.
7.12.2006 3:26pm
Justin Levine:
Based on some of these arguments, I guess the Constitutional repeal of Prohibition is still in doubt...
7.12.2006 3:53pm
Justin Levine:
Might also be important to note the actual wording of the proposed Constitutional Amendment in Massachusetts for the purposes of this debate (rather surprised that it hasn't been brought up yet):

"When recognizing marriage entered after the adoption of this amendment by the people, the Commonwealth and its political subdivisions shall define marriage as only the union of one man and one woman."
7.12.2006 4:03pm
El Capitan (mail):
John C,

I think you're the one setting up straw men (and being overly generous with the Justices). Most people here that I have read focus not so much on the fact that the Mass Amendment is subsequent, but also that it is more specific, which is the more important consideration to my mind as well. Like I admitted, it is perfectly reasonable to argue that the earlier amendment argues for a narrow construction of the subsequent amendment.

To give an awful example, imagine that instead of trying to pass the ERA, Congress had instead passed an amendment re-implementing rational review for gender classifications. Obviously, a rebuke to the Court, but it really isn't so shockingly inconsistent with the 14th Amendment as to raise questions as to whether the two can co-exist in the same constitution. It merely operates as a (rather glaring) exception to the general rule of equality. But it's pretty easy to see how they co-exist.

As for your example, like I said, two vague amendments that can be construed as being in conflict may give rise to a "rich" theory of constitutional interpretation or whatever. Here, however, the text of the amendment is awfully specific.
7.12.2006 6:30pm
John C (mail):
Thank you all for comments. . .please do not misconstrue my intention. My point was not to say that Greaney/Ireland were correct in their insinuations (which I don't think they were). . . the point was that their argument is at least somewhat plausible. It was not (I still insist) self-evidently wrong. Indeed, because (as some of you have pointed out) the propriety of the Greaney/Ireland concurrence relies in large part on the character of the subsequent amendment, their argument cannot in and of itself be self-evidently wrong, even if you subscribe less-than-noble motives to the authors.
7.12.2006 7:31pm
mls (mail):



We have an Equal Protection Clause and we have the Electoral College. The two (on some interpretations) are in tension. Assuming one of those interpretations, we still don't ask which was last in time. We just let the specific provision---whether the Electoral College, or the ban on foreign-born presidents, or the distribution of votes in the Senate---speak to the issue.



For a modest proposal that the passage of the 14th Amendment implicitly repealed the foreign-born presidents provision, see Malinda L. Seymore, The Presidency and the Meaning of Citizenship, 2005 B.Y.U. L. Rev. 927.

Any resemblance between my initials and the initials of the author are more than coincidence!
7.12.2006 8:24pm
Michael B (mail):
"Thank you all for comments. . ." John C

Hmmmm, sincerity and pleasantness, the craftiest of tactics. (I'd better be explicit, I am joking.)
7.13.2006 11:00am