The Georgia Supreme Court just upheld this. The sentence strikes me as unduly harsh even on its own terms, but it seems especially unjustifiable given that:
The age of consent in Georgia is 16.
In 2006, the Georgia Legislature amended the statute to provide that oral sex between an under-18-year-old and a 13-to-15-year-old is only a misdemeanor, with a maximum penalty of a year in jail. This revised statute would have thus made the defendant's conduct a misdemeanor had he committed his crime after the statute's enactment, but the statute expressly provided that it wasn't retroactive.
Even at the time the act occurred, genital sex between an under-18-year-old and a 14-or-15-year-old was also a misdemeanor.
This defendant had no criminal record that would justify an especially long sentence.
Here's a brief opinion from presiding justice Carol W. Hunstein:
Wilson was convicted of aggravated child molestation based upon an act of oral sodomy performed on him by victim T.C., which was documented on videotape and seems to show that the victim's participation in the act was voluntary. Wilson was 17 years old at the time of the act; the victim was 15 years old. Pursuant to the version of the aggravated child molestation statute then in effect, Wilson was sentenced to ten years imprisonment without possibility of parole. See former OCGA § 16-6-4 (d) (1).
In 2006, the Legislature amended OCGA § 16-6-4 to provide, inter alia, that aggravated child molestation involving an act of sodomy is only a misdemeanor when the victim is between 13 and 16 years of age and the convicted person is 18 years of age or younger and is no more than four years older than the victim. OCGA § 16-6-4 (d) (2). Although the situation in this case would fall within the ambit of the current statute, which became effective July 1, 2006, while Wilson's appeal from the affirmance of his conviction by the Court of Appeals was pending before this Court, see Ga. L. 2006, p. 379, § 11/HB 1059, the Legislature expressly chose not to allow the provisions of the new amendments to affect persons convicted under the previous version of the statute. See id. at § 30 (c). Accordingly, while I am very sympathetic to Wilson's argument regarding the injustice of sentencing this promising young man with good grades and no criminal history to ten years in prison without parole and a lifetime registration as a sexual offender because he engaged in consensual oral sex with a 15-year-old victim only two years his junior, this Court is bound by the Legislature's determination that young persons in Wilson's situation are not entitled to the misdemeanor treatment now accorded to identical behavior under OCGA § 16-6-4 (d) (2).
The sentence sounds mandated by state statute, and I don't think there's any Cruel and Unusual Punishment Clause problem here. One can argue that the distinction between between genital sex and oral sex violates the Equal Protection Clause, but while this argument was accepted in a related context by the California Supreme Court, which held that the distinction lacked a rational basis, it was rejected by the Georgia Supreme Court in Odett v. State, 541 S.E.d 29 (2001), on the grounds that "General Assembly could reasonably conclude that the psychological well-being of minors is more damaged by acts of sodomy than by acts of intercourse" — not very plausible grounds, I think, but likely sufficient to pass the rational basis test (see also this related item from the California Appellate Report blog). The equal protection argument also seems to have been procedurally forfeited, because it wasn't raised until after the guilty verdict; and while the defendant might have argued that there's an equal protection violation in treating pre-2006 actors differently from post-2006 ones, that argument likely wouldn't work, either, and in any event likely wouldn't have been made.
But while the conviction is constitutionally permissible, it hardly seems like a just result. This is so even given that the sex here was public and videotaped and thus more likely to have been psychologically and emotionally injurious to the girl. Such uncharged and even not independently illegal aspects may be relevant in evaluating the overall moral fairness (though not legal validity) of the sentence, but they nonetheless don't seem sufficient to justify a 10-year-term here — especially when the same conduct would have been treated so much more lightly had it happened after the statute was changed, and had it involved genital sex (which tends to be more dangerous for the girl in various ways than oral sex).
The courts seem to have done their job right here, but the legislature didn't, and quite possibly the prosecutors didn't (though I realize that this raises complex questions about prosecutorial obligations). I hope, with Doug Berman (Sentencing Law & Policy), that the Georgia Board of Pardons and Paroles would correct this injustice.
Thanks to How Appealing for the pointer.
Related Posts (on one page):
- Genarlow Wilson's 10-Year Prison Sentence Set Aside as Cruel and Unusual Punishment:
- Sex and Liberty:
- Race and the Wilson Case:
- Ten Years in Prison for 17-Year-Old Who Had Consensual Oral Sex with 15-Year-Old:
This is the sort of case in which a governor should really step in.
What makes you think that there was a girl involved? I saw no pronouns in the Opinion or AP report.
http://howappealing.law.com/121806.html#020546
According to one report, D.A. David McDade chose to prosecute Wilson for this felony when Wilson refused a plea bargain to charges brought by a heavily intoxicated 17 year old girl also on the videotape:
As a former prosecutor, this distresses me. Sure, I occasionally used plea bargains, and it is appropriate to give a defendant some benefit for accepting responsibility for his crime. But you don't use the threat of an unduly harsh charge in a legally unrelated matter to induce a guilt plea to a lesser offense which the defendant did not commit. The D.A. seems to be saying that, had Wilson agreed to plead guilty to misconduct with the 17-year old, then he would not have been charged with the crime involving the 15-year old. The same jury which was, by the law, compelled to find him guilty of the oral sex charge very quickly acquitted Wilson of raping the 17-year old, easily finding the videotape to show consensual sex with her.
Plea agreements are not just about the amount of time given. First and foremost, they must be about the truth. No prosecutor should abuse his discretion by threatening unrelated harsh charges to induce a plea to something for which the defendant would be acquitted.
Sodomy in the form of broomsticks and rectums, sure. Sodomy in this form, considered by a growing number of teens and even tweens to be casual, "not sex", or less intimate than a kiss? I don't think so.
Can't you say that it is an unjust, evil, and despicable result, and that if whoever has the pardon power doesn't exercise it, that person or persons are unjust, evil, and despicable?
Mandatory sodomy (not oral) of the Georgia legislature seems like the only just punishment to me, for the damage done to the 17-year-old, which will certainly occur.
From the post:
Yours, TDP, ml, msl, &pfpp
Oh, wait, there is no way.
Which is one reason that the courts go so far afield.
Clearly, despite its obvious cruel and unusual aspects, the punishment afforded Wilson (Genarlow Wilson VS The State) is preposterous.
But, no problem, we can just make another criminal where there was none.
Merry Christmas.
Huh?
FantasiaWHT: I agree that oral sex is not likely to be more damaging to a 15-year-old than genital sex; but I should note that the Georgia Supreme Court's decision noting this as a possible justification for the statutory distinction came in a case that seemed to involve oral sex, with no mention of broomsticks.
Prosecutor's who don't use the threat of higher charges to induce a guilty plea to lesser charges. Do these people exist? Do they ride unicorns to work?
SMG,
The courts didn't screw up here. As a matter of fact, unless you want activist judges who over-rule perfectly valid (bus abysmally stupid) laws, there is no other way they could have gone. Point yourself at the legislature. There is a really easy way to get their ear, call them, or better yet, vote them out.
Officer: You're right, this is very serious, we better track this kid down and give him his luckiest boy in America medal right away.
It is too bad, however, this kid is in prison. As another former prosecutor, it seems this is an instance of someone using their power to show they have it, rather than effecting justice. A retired judge who was a District Attorney at one point told me that the power in the DA's office comes not from when to prosecute, but when not to prosecute. Seems this philosophy was absent.
Also, the judge said it had to be a felony, but was ten years the minimum sentence?
It's hard to believe nobody with the authority to do so will reduce this sentence.
The 17 year old girl would have had to fend off advances from desperately horny pimple-faced boys every time she went out. It seems awfully harsh, but there's no avoiding natural consequences...
I can empathize with (in disagreement, mind you) the prosecutor who in good faith believes that this young man actually did commit the more serious crime (of non-consensual sex with the intoxicated 17-year old). Recognizing an imperfect system and its flaws, he might think justice best served by some punishment, even if for the "wrong" crime.
Although how much prosecutorial discretion is appropriate? Say I'm a prosecutor who has a case of a guy smoking a joint in public, and I believe it's a good kid in violation of a bad law. Should I take it upon myself to subvert the will of the legislature by not enforcing the law? Is that the proper role?
I ask as one considering a switch from private to public sector. My leanings are decidedly libertarian; to what degree is one allowed/expected/required to exercise one's beliefs of fairness and justice over that of the laws passed in your jurisdiction?
Yours, TDP, ml, msl, &pfpp
Your assertion that the judge should be ashamed implies that the judge acted somehow inappropriately. What did the judge do wrong in this case? What should he have done differently?
It would appear that this guy got ten years for failing to take the plea bargain on what was certainly the more serious crime: rape of an intoxicated 17 year old.
To my mind, the appropriate use of prosecutorial discretion is to look at the particular circumstances of an alleged crime and decide whether prosecuting under the law is within the ambit of the evils which the law was aiming to combat, or simply if, in light of all factors involved, application of the law would work a particular injustice on this particular set of parties.
In Louisiana, for example, for statutory rape to occur, one party must be over 18, the other under 18, and there must be at least a 2 year difference in their ages. So an 18 and a 17 year old are ok, but a 21 and a 17 year old are not, nor is an 18 and a 15 year old. I think it's safe to assume that the legislature picked those ages, and the 2 year gap, simply because there has to be some cut-off. The goal of the law, obviously, is to prevent older men (I'm using the typical genders, not to deny that it can happen the other way around, too) from taking advantage of younger girls, who society views as generally not emotionally or intellectually mature enough yet to make wise decisions in matters sexual.
So if the prosecutor comes across a 20 year old and a 16 year old, who started dating maybe when he was a senior and she was a freshman, and there is no real indication of undue pressure or coercion involved, it would be an appropriate use of prosecutorial discretion, in my mind, to decline to prosecute that case. It would also be appropriate, to me, to decide whether societal mores had perhaps changed since the legislature enacted that law.
This is fundamentally different from the role of judges and juries. Most state constitutions, and the federal constitution, vest these decisions specifically in the hands of the prosecutors, who are generally elected or appointed directly by (and answerable to) an elected official. Judges (and juries) are not vested with discretion under our system, and judges in general are much harder to change out should one reach the wrong result, or a result inconsistent with the desires of the community. And the decision of a prosecutor not to prosecute sets no precedents which must be followed elsewhere, leaving each community free to make its own decisions about its current standards and its current priorities.
You say as if you think you have some evidence it was not consensual, or that laws assigning blame for inebriated sex should always fall on the male
(or least the least inebriated) party are good and appropriate laws.
In any case, you can't have read the post too closely.
The "guy" was boy of 17, and his imputed "victim" a girl of 15.
Yours, TDP, ml, msl, &pfpp
Thank God none of us ever did that when we were in high school!
/sarcasm off
I find this sentence very appropriate and just. I'm sick of the predatory behaviour of young males, and the misogynistic comments above probably reflect what the parents of those boys taught them- girls are objects to be used and to be made sport of. That's why there are statutory rape laws. At 15, she cannot make a mature decision about sex, and the events prove this to be true. Those boys had the responsibility to at LEAST not take part in abusing her, and I personally think they had the responsibility to stop the disgusting actions.
It would go too far to hope they receive the same treatment in prison, so I am not advocating that. I hope they learned about personal responsibility and basic human behaviour. You don't treat a young woman like that.
Justice is served.
Yours, TDP, ml, msl, &pfpp
I've asked this question before, but doesn't a DA's threatening harsher treatment if the accused exercises his right to a trial violate 18 USC 242, which "makes it a crime for a person acting under color of any law to willfully deprive a person of a right or privilege protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States?"
I take it that the jury therefore concluded that the 17-year-old girl wasn't "too drunk to know what was going on." Georgia law adopts the "constructive force" doctrine, under which the "force" requirement of rape can be satisfied by a finding that "the victim [was] physically or mentally unable to give consent to the act, as for example when she is intoxicated, drugged, or mentally incompetent such that she is unable mentally to give consent to the act." Unless the jury was somehow not properly instructed on this, I would assume that they concluded that the 17-year-old girl wasn't so intoxicated that she was unable to give consent.
You sound very bitter, kinda like you would throw most guys in jail just for their gender.
Here's a question - if she's not old enough to make a mature decision about sex, is she old enough to make that same decision about, oh...I don't know, abortion?
But at 17 or 18, those boys are conclusively presumed to be thoroughly mature and rational and to have cooly calculated the nature and consequences of their actions. Oh, yeah, and I'm sure their minds were completely unclouded by alcohol.
The difficulty is that the Georgia Legislature has long thought that genital sex between 17-year-olds and 15-year-olds is a relatively minor offense (a misdemeanor punishable by a year or less in jail), and now thinks that even oral sex between 17-year-olds and 15-year-olds is a comparably minor offense, when the offense happens in 2006 or later. That's what makes it especially hard for me to see how a mandatory ten-year prison term for this defendant's conduct makes sense, given the Georgia Legislature's own judgment of the severity of this sort of conduct.
The judge had no choice. But the guy should be pardoned and have his record cleared.
If we honestly believe that any sentence, of any severity is likely to stop 17-year olds from having sex, we've already forgotten what it means to have been seventeen ourselves.
What message are we looking to send? That teenagers aren't allowed to make decisions about what feels good to them because society imposes an arbitrary age distinction? That's not a message that a large portion of the audience is going to buy: not from their parents, not from their teachers, not from their government.
And what sort of value does it add to society to destroy the lives of children (and they are still children) for the mistakes they made without significant moral culpability. What chance does this kid have after 10 years in a prison cell, a felony conviction, and registration as a sex offender?
An honor student, an athlete, a clean kid with no criminal record. This is who we should be sending to prison? I struggle mightily to imagine how society is better off with this result.
All I really have to go on is the following from the article I posted a link too above
This is also the girl that went to police the next day saying she was raped.
If society accepts that 15-year-olds frequently have consensual sex, it's awful hard to justify the imposition of draconian penalties (or even severe moral condemnation) on their partners based on the happenstance of the partner's age.
I know it is off-topic, but why is this particular fact of any interest? If I was to do something that is legal today that offended my state legislature and they went and passed a law tomorrow I am protected from being prosecuted for my actions that occurred before the bill was signed into law. I'm not sure why the reverse should be treated differently.
As a hypothetical, if someone developed a vaccine for cocaine and all state legislatures and the federal government then passed legislation legalizing cocaine would we be releasing cocaine dealers? But not marijuana dealers?
Also I find the idea of prosecutorial discretion to be quite astonishing. Why again do public employees get to decide which laws they enforce and which they don't?
And to get completely off-topic, maybe off continent, as I understand it Ken Lay's family doesn't have to pay back the corresponding money that Jeff Skilling is likely going to repay. This is due to the fact that his death prevented him from completing his appeals. So, if I was to run into a bank, have a suitcase loaded up with money and dash out the front door to be promptly hit and killed by a bus, does my family get to keep the money?
I would like to express some confidence that statutory rape laws are correctly applied, but I can't do that. The term jail bait is not new.
Biologically, you are quite possibly correct about humans being able to comprehend sex and distinguish between rape and non-rape earlier than society seems to think they can.
But socially, you miss the mark. Pre-18, kids have little responsibility for their own actions, because they are wards of the state and their parents, not having completed their education and not having the means to raise a child should one be concieved.
That is the true reason for the laws... to prevent our schools from becoming places for adults to go get a quickie. Loosening the age of consent would necessarily mean lowering the age at which kids graduate from high school. That's unlikely.
I suspect this case had everything to do with the fact that there were multiple girls and boys at a party with underage drinking, multiple sex partners and videotaping. Were this the 15-year old and Wilson in the backseat of a car, I bet this would be an entirely different story. But the sex with the intoxicated 17-year old ("seen earlier on the bathroom floor"?!) and the fact that the 15 year old engages in sex acts with multiple boys in one night is likely way too much for a jury to take. I'd love to know what's the real story between the description of the videotape (it sure sounds bad w/r/t the 17 year old) and the quick acquittal.
I would say that she was old enough to consent to this act at the age of 15, but her very actions would seem to suggest otherwise. Fooling around with one guy? Sure, she's a teenager. Multiple guys in succession? That isn't her biological urges talking, that's her low self-esteem.
So, the 10 years seems harsh, but I think the Wilson supporters are being disingenuous painting this boy as an angel. Honor roll and good at sports? Fine, but it doesn't make him innocent and certainly doesn't excuse criminal conduct.
Nick
Isn't this the same as complaining about getting a speeding ticket on 2nd Avenue at 6pm (and, say, having your car subject to forfeiture), when the speed limit is a lot higher on 1st Avenue, there are no speed traps on 3rd Avenue after 4pm, and the cop on Broadway just lets everybody off with a warning?
Academically and logically, it may be interesting to speculate about whether it would have been better to have taken Broadway or 3rd, or to have planned the trip before 4pm, but the bottom is that there is a law against the type of joyriding that this kid engaged in.
If it's ten years, it's ten years.
Here's a question for the group: if you are in favor of a pardon for this one individual, does that mean you would favor pardons for all of the co-defendants that pled guilty?
The jury found, unlike you, that the sex with the 17 year old was not illegal, and that there was nothing non-consensual about the sex between the 15 year old and Wilson, the 17-year-old defendant. Had the girl been 2 years older, or Wilson 2 years younger, the act would have been perfectly legal.
Certainly this type of behavior is inappropriate and unseemly, and wrong. But that doesn't mean it should be criminal, or a felony. There's a lot we don't know based on these articles about what happened. Had these girls done anything like this before? Did they bring the video camera? Had they had sexual relations with this group of boys before? Was there any sex before the girls became really drunk, suggesting that they fully consented to the activity and just got drunker along the way?
Now, if you'd like to propose a law forbidding even consensual orgies and gang bangs, we can have a good discussion about that. But right now, at least, that's not the law.
Now that others have 'splained the details more thoroughly, my position's closer to UVAgirl. However, despite the fact that ignorance of the law is no excuse, I'd guess none of the guys - if nothing was forcible - knew they were committing a crime. They might know that adults would disapprove, so they were breaching morality, but do they require 5 and 10 year sentences as a substitute for knowledge of the law?
And, yes, the 15 year old MIGHT have a self-esteem problem. But not many 17 year old boys are trained counselors.
From the available evidence, it would seem sentences of a few months might be in order. Then again, there may be more evidence still that's unknown to us here.
And I don't take the 'boys will be boys attitude'. Someone close to me was gangraped, and the guys claimed consent occurred. I'm well aware that our young must be protected from sexual predators. But with videotape, it should be clearer what might be predatory versus simply distasteful. Without predatory, I don't buy the length of the sentences (and again, the lege is at fault, principally, and possibly an overzealous prosecutor).
This case highlights the risk every defendant takes when negotiating a plea. You may well win on the major charge only to find yourself facing some ridiculous sentence for some lesser charge.
I fear for the innocent Duke kids who are facing false charges for rape. They may well be acquited for the crime they didn't commit, but a jury may convict them for some minor charge. Very sad.
Interestingly, I had never heard of the "I have never fought a duel" oaths until last week. A friend of mine was appointed to fill a vacancy on a local school board here in Kentucky. That clause was in the official oath, which had the participants and spectators trying to hold their snickers until the "I so swear" line.
Depends on the age of the child. Six years old? No. Fifteen? Yes.
Which is why the possibility of an explicit appeal to jury nullification made by the defense at its discretion should be mandated in the organic law.
Yours, TDP, ml, msl, &pfpp
Now, maybe race was not a factor in the prosecutor's actions. I don't know. But isn't it at least a possibility?
Yours, TDP, ml, msl, &pfpp
Which is why the possibility of an explicit appeal to jury nullification made by the defense at its discretion should be mandated in the organic law.
I don't want to drag this conversation too far off-topic, but the conception of jury nullification as an unvarnished good needs to stop. Certainly I can conceive of times when a defendant might be technically in violation of a statute, but convicting him might be unjust. But for every example of "good" jury nullification, I can think of one bad example. I don't want the jury thinking that they should be taking anything other than the facts into account. If we start telling jurors that they can bend the law to their liking, I don't know if we can get the toothpaste back in the tube.
For example, let's say we have a rape case that's close on the facts. The defendant, a black man, is accused of raping a white woman (there's no doubt that they had sex), and the white jury decides it's more likely than not that he raped her, but there's plenty of doubt. We then tell the jury that they can acquit for whatever reason they want, or for no reason at all, even if they think the defendant is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. We're telling the jury that the law and the facts don't really matter; all that matters is what their gut tells them. A white jury that's told that the facts are secondary to their feelings might decide that the black guy needs to be punished for having sex with the white woman.
I want the jury to decide on facts. Nullification may be appropriate, but encouraging it is too dangerous for my liking.
Because it's evidence that society no longer considers the offense so serious. Once society makes that decision, it's hard to justify penalizing someone under the old statute even if the new one hasn't taken effect yet. That's a different policy involved than the one which prevents ex post facto laws.
I thought that was bullshit too, but ask a teenager -- a good many will tell you exactly that.
But the Georgia Supreme Court elected to interpret the Georgia Constitution as not taking this approach.
If the defendant had been convicted of rape, I would have had no problem with him getting a 10 year (or more) sentence, even though those who pled guilty only got five. That is, indeed, what plea bargaining is all about. However, that is not what happened. What happened instead was that the prosecutor, unable to convict on the rape charge, tossed in a consensual sodomy charge, knowing full well that conviction on that charge would result in a 10 year mandatory minimum sentence. That's what makes his protests that the defendant forced his hand disingenuous - No one forced him to bring the sodomy charge, and he could have simply charged the defendant with rape of the 17-year old, and made his case to the jury. Of course, he probably didn't do this because he knew the rape charge was week, a fear borne out when the jury acquitted the defendant in less than one hour.
The Georgia legislature is also to be blamed for creating a mandatory minimum sentence of 10 years for consensual oral sex, particularly when vaginal intercourse involving the same parties would be a misdeameanor, notwithstanding the equal risk of disease and greater risk of pregnancy. If the Georgia AG has any decency, he or she will basically roll over and concede the validity of the defense's equal protection argument during the habeas proceedings, so as to ensure that this poor kid does not spend the next 8 years in prison.
A question - Does anyone know how soon the Georgia parole commission can act on this case? Can they recommend a pardon or parole while an appeal or a habeas petition is still pending?
Yes, maybe the sentence was too long. But there's a reason that we have laws regulating sex with minors quite differently from sex with adults--it is because, with rare exceptions, they lack the emotional maturity to make good decisions about sex, abortion, employment, alcohol, driving, firearms, and about eight million other things.
Would that be all minors, say, including 17 year old boys? How is it I keep hearing in the media "girls mature so much faster than boys", but somehow the two year age difference is worth ten years in jail?
I was always under the impression stat rape laws were aimed at middle aged perverts who bully young girls into bed. I would never support a law that allows for this kind of miscarriage of justice. People convicted of forcible rape have gotten less time than this.
Also, part of the impetus behind stat rape laws is the idea the older man is taking the young girl's innocence (not the legal kind, the other kind). Does anybody believe a girl who was willing to engage in this kind of activity has much left in the way of innocence?
Also, there are neighborhoods where the average age a girl loses her virginity is fourteen. How many people should we lock up to satisfy our puritan urges? This boy will get plenty of familiarity with sodomy in the pen, and when he gets out he's virtually doomed to a life of crime since nobody will hire him. So what, exactly, is the benefit to society here?
I hear your argument, legitprop12, but I still disagree. I don't think this was necessarily the act of a prosecutor who thought he had a weak rape case - it's common to have multiple charges. In the second posted article, I imagine a scenario where a 17 year old girl claims to have been raped by multiple boys when she was too intoxicated to consent, and there's an INCREDIBLY shocking videotape found while investigating the claim - I'd imagine he thought it was a huge, smoking gun. Not only do the police and the prosecutor see a 17-year old in a highly inebriated state (I keep coming back to "seen earlier on the bathroom floor") having intercourse with multiple boys (which I am sure the prosecutor thought he could get a rape conviction for - based on the "too inebriated to consent" type of rape), they also see an underage girl performing oral sex on the same boys one after the other. I'm sure they were horribly disturbed by this. So, they have to attach some charges to what they see in this sordid video, and the charge related to the oral sex was oral sodomy. I think in hindsight and reduced to a snippet (10 years for consensual oral sex) it seems like a truly manipulative choice by the prosecutor, but imagine when the videotape just comes out. Would the public accept the prosecutor bringing only one charge when the acts constituted multiple crimes (and, arguably, two victims)? No - they would want the prosecutor to pursue the other crimes for which there was evidence. And LIKE IT OR NOT, what those boys did met the definition of child molestation by oral sodomy as the law stood in GA at the time. So he brought those charges, too. Nothing in the ABC or Atlanta Magazine articles posted suggests that he brought the charges at separate times.
Besides, who's to say that there isn't some jury manipulation going on here? The same jury decided on the two charges at the same time. Yes, one of the jurors said that it didn't look like rape to them (again, the bathroom floor thing and pulled off the bed), but there might have been some thinking amongst the jury that it looked like some bad stuff happened, so instead of convicting him of rape, they'd just convict him for the other charge.
It's a bad situation all around, and again, 10 years may be too long, but that was Georgia law. I'm not pinning this on the prosecutor.
Bravo to the prosecutor in this case.
The tape shows the defendant having sex with TWO girls, one that is 17 who is intoxicated and one that is 15 who is not. He was acquitted on the rape charge of the 17 year old, but was found guilty on the other charge.
It seems like what happened is that the prosecutor, believing he was guilty of the rape of the 17 year old, decided to prosecute him for both crimes, making a plea more likely.
Assuming the prosecutor firmly believed he raped the woman, and assuming you think this sort of rape (inability to consent) is something which should be punished, is the result particularly unjust? I'm not sure that is.
Prosecutors use the law to their advantage--even bad laws--all the time. Using bad laws to put bad people behind bars, is that a bad result? I'm not sure, maybe it is. Without knowing more about this case, I cannot say whether the prosecutor's actions are particularly condemnable or not, but they do not seem to be unusual (maximizing the danger a defendant faces, making a plea more likley).
A. The defendant in this case wasn't charged with videotaping anyone
B. Given that "rape" is a function of consent, and consent is often "he said, she said" it's only prudent to record ones sexual encounters. What was on that tape convinced a jury that this defendant was not guilty of rape. Had he been unjustly convicted of rape, we never would have heard of this case at all.
Does one really have to wonder? We all know there wouldn't have been any charges in that case, if there were charges she almost certainly would have been acquitted, and if convicted she probably wouldn't have served any jail time. Even if the ages were reversed (17 girl 15 boy) I'm certain that the prosecutor would have "used his discretion" and not brought any charges.
We (society) don't really believe that girls mature faster than boys, because if we did then we'd have to make girls responsible for sex too. Girls are pretty much immune to being charged for statutory (as opposed to forcible) sex crimes. The "justice" many here want in the instant case somehow magically always seems to be applied in the girl's favor when a prosecutor mulls over charging a girl for statutory rape.
The penalties for sex offenses have ratcheted so high that they are sometimes higher than murder. The laws give sex offenders truly perverse incentives.
Every ten or twenty years, legislators need to look at their criminal code as a whole to put it back into some sort of reasonable order. Legislators also need to learn to resist the itch to amend a statute every time they hear about a case on the local "news."
Consensual sex between kids one or two years apart should be considered a family problem, not a criminal one. The professor is right, even if this must be a crime, on the scale of sex offenses, it is a very minor one.
I think the chances of a pardon are slim. My guess is that the prosecutor will argue that he deserved what he got because he "really did rape" the 17 year old, and because of the "child pornography." And the Georgia Board of Pardons will be afraid to release him because any crime that he might commit will be blamed on him. Does anyone get clemency in Georgia?
Joseph:
Thanks for the great link. We no longer believe that all-white juries can provide justice for black defendants. If we are to ask prosecutors to take on significant discretion (edging into the jury's role), should we worry about the prosecutor's race?
Would a black prosecutor be as inclined to view 10 years of Genarlow's life as expendable? Would a prosecutor without children be less instinctively protective? The plural nature of the jury means that these viewpoints can be represented. There is no such mechanism in the prosecutor's office -- the decision was made by one (white) man, David McCabe. (Also note that in this case the jury was unaware of the severe sentencing implications of their decision, making the possibility of nullification essentially irrelevant and effectively placing discretion entirely in the hands of the prosecutor.)
I'd imagine that intoxication isn't generally a defense to a crime (is it?), except insofar as it may in the case of murder support a lack of premediation. Do statutes generally give guidance that the difference in sobriety should be taken into account?
Girls may indeed mature faster than boys, but the left would have a cow if the law made the age of consent different for different sexes.
Many states have a provision that allows a three or four year age difference to either make it legal, or reduce the severity of the crime--usuallly with some minimum age for the younger party. I can understand the reasoning behind this, but the fact is that minors show remarkable inabilities to engage in sensible decisions about a whole host of behaviors. (Some adults as well, but for a variety of reasons, we draw a line at an arbitrary age, recognizing that there will a few outliers on either side of the line.)
I'm not going to argue that ten years is a sentence that I would have handed down. I would probably have given the 17 year old 30 days in juvenile hall, and several years of probation conditional on staying away from video cameras and kids under 18. But I am going to presume that the legislature is competent to make laws.
I am inclined to think that this is a girl that has been sexualized far too young by living in a depraved society that sexualizes everything too young. (Yes, the United States.) And it isn't "innocence" but the fact that she is not responsible for her actions; her parents are stuck with that.
Yes, I know. I raised a family in one of those moral cesspools. Liberals think it is so cool; what isn't so cool is the enormous damage that gets done to kids who are being encouraged by a society that says, "Hey, whatever," to 12 year olds having sex.However many it takes to get the message across that 15 is too young.Like I said, this isn't the punishment that I would have given. I would say from his behavior, not only with the 15 year old, but with the apparently passed out 17 year old, this guy is already on the road to a life of crime.
I can see it. Not that we can say for sure, but I can see it. There's a huge difference in attitudes toward young black women and young black male athletes. Think about it. A touch of opportunism would not be hard to detect here.
Reading the article in Atlanta Magazine, what disturbs me is that the young man with NO record whatsoever received the harshest penalty, and though IANAL I would have to side with those who see some prosecutorial manipulation here.
Absent evidence of forced rape, which the jury rejected out of hand, it seems to me that ten years in jail for accepting oral favors from a willing classmate is unduly harsh. Perhaps I've read too many coming-of-age novels, but I believe that this is not an uncommon experience. It might be interesting to poll the respondents here about their teenage sexual experiences, with a view toward determining how many felonies were committed.
I don't think the commenter was referring to adults.
Nobody had easy access to videotaping equipment back then. And, boy, am I glad for that.
My initial comment was expression partly of surprise that no one had mentioned race and and partly of my belief that it was certainly a possible explanation of the prosecutor's action. Let's see. White prosecutor, black offender, sex crime, Georgia. Surely there's some basis for suspicion.
As to the Duke case, I fail to see the relevance, except that it too seems to involve an irresponsible prosecutor. That Nifong is, at least, not driven by anti-black racism, tells us nothing about McDade.
That was before I saw the article linked to by Joseph Hovsep, which I think offers some support for the notion that race played a role here. That the victim (not victims) was also black, is not convincing to me. There seems to be no doubt that her involvement was consensual, and the article at least does not suggest that there were claims she had suffered grievous harm.
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Your comments don't seem to impute *any* responsibility on the girls for their own conduct. They weren't forced to drink alcohol, they weren't forced to be at that party, and a jury said the 17 year old wasn't forced to have sex, while everyone agreed the 15 year old willingly played the part of the local slut. Don't you think these girls have any responsibility for their own actions in this matter. They knew or should have known they were being videotaped, etc. I mean you seem to apply a standard of behavior and conduct one would expect and demand of a sober 25 year old male to these drunk 17 year old boys, but fail to apply the same standard of a 25 year old female to the choices and decisions and actions of the 17 and 15 year old girls.
You describe the boys conduct as despicable (and maybe it was maybe it wasn't), what adjectives do you apply to the girls conduct and choices in this matter? I'd like to hear how you describe the girl's culpability in this matter.
Says the "Dog"
In this case, very similar circumstances, the Georgia Supremes give no relief. Why? The appeal in this case seems to have been based on different grounds than in the prior case. The prior case was black on white victim and the court wanted to bend over backwards to accommodate those (some commenting here) who think the case must be race based, as opposed to the current case which is black on black and needs no such accommodation. Or is it the fact that in this case the 15 year old slut passing out bl*w jobs with a group discount card was video taped?
I think the fact that the 15 year old consented to multiple acts of indiscretion for video tape replay seems to be the thing that makes the current case different. Should it be different?
Says the "Dog"
Based on the facts of actual people's behaviour, the law is simply idiotic. One must remember that no one was charged on porn production and posession charges, which while also inane given the ages are much less objectionable (you get less time for a single infraction than you do for a blowjob). There is a massive difference between men who are out of highschool preying on teenagers and people who are peers engaging in consensual behaviour.
I heartily encourage that these age difference rules be applied to adults. So that everyone in the State of Georgia who has ever engaged in sex with someone 2 years or more younger than them should be facing charges and a 10 year felony if they ever engaged in oral sodomy.
To Clayton specifically, I hope that you have the most rebellious children ever. You seem utterly unaware of how people truly behave and seem to have a pathological hatred of teenage males that is the equal of Andrea Dworkin.
I've seen several, but don't have cites in hand.
You're kidding, right? As one would expect, the man is always the one charged and convicted in such cases.
Not if it lets girls avoid sex crime charges. It was not uncommon, and may still be so in some states, that the age of consent was higher for girls than boys. For example, 18 for girls and 15 for boys. This leads to perverse results, like charging a 15 year old boy with statutory rape for having sex with his 17 year old girlfriend.
My use of the word "girl" was intentional. We are talking, in the instant case, about two minors having sex. Ever seen a minor girl charged with statutory rape?
As for adult women with minor boys, I think it incontrivertible that such cases are much less likely to result in charges when discovered, and that average sentences are much shorter, assuming jail time is even ordered, for female offenders.
My comment concerning the injustice of the length of the sentence is that the jury should, at the request of the defense, have been able to consider the question of whether the sentence fit the full circumstances of the facts--considering the application of the law--and if the prosecution were to insist on that criminal charge with that sentence, that the defense should be able to invite the jury to nullify the law.
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A great point was brought up earlier - if the boys are despicable, and the girl did what she did willingly, what does that make her? She willingly drank and willingly gave oral sex. No one held her down and forced themselves on her. Is she totally absolved of ANY responsibility.
I go back to how bitter you sound. What has happened in your past that has turned you so sour on men in general?