There is increasing interest in a potential offshore wind farm in Lake Erie. While there are sea-based wind turbines in Europe, proposals for such projects of the U.S. coast have been blocked, often by the same folks who call for greater investments in alternative energy sources (see, e.g., the ill-fated Cape Wind project off of Massachusetts). As a result, a Lake Erie wind project has the potential both to be the first offland wind project in the U.S., as well as the first fresh water wind project in the world. All offshore wind projects to date have been built in salt water.
In my conversations from local wind energy experts, I've learned that a fresh water wind farm might present unique design challenges. Constructing ocean-based wind turbines is rather easy, in large part because constructing ocean-based platforms is nothing new. Engineers know how to address the problems caused by currents, corrosion, and inclement weather. In fresh water, however, the potential problems are different. As the shallowest of the Great Lakes, Lake Erie's depth is a definite plus from a construciton standpoint. On the other hand, the surface of Lake Erie can freeze. Also, as I understand it, drifting ice on the surface can build up substantial momentum, and present different problems than ocean waves. As reported in the story to which I linked above:
Engineering challenges include anchoring towers in a lake that's 50 to 60 feet deep. The towers would stretch 240 feet or more above the water and hold rotating blades that, tip to tip, are longer than a football field. The towers must withstand waves and winter ice.If VC readers know more about this subject, I would be interested to learn their perspectives on the engineering challenges of such a project, and how they might be overcome.But encountering the difficulties would generate unique research and development, potentially making the region a hub for off-shore wind power, said Richard Stuebi, the Cleveland Foundation's energy expert.
It's a football field "tip-to-tip" so the radius is at most 150 ft. That fits just fine on a 240 ft. tower.
I don't understand the need for offshore wind farms, at least in this country. We have a lot of open space, and it would seem much cheaper to build wind farms on land than on water.
What's that in Dog Years?
The water location is much preferable to on shore locations, regardless of land availability because the wind is much more constant over the water. Availability and lack of predictable output is the problem with wind power.
Ice is probably not an insurmountable problem but will add cost. Given the size of these units, the anchorage will probably have to be substantial and relatively rigid. This raises questions about the impact of changing lake levels, which fluctuate a lot more in the Great Lakes than most people realize.
I tend to get grumpy at such claims. "Environmentalists" are not a single monolithic group. Unless you can point to a SPECIFIC person or a SPECIFIC group that both call for alternative energy sources while also opposing them, I see no reason to believe that this is anything other than supposition on your part. Ditto for Adler's comment along the same lines.
Kennedy.
-dk
What about fresh water icing on the blades? Freezing temp is higher. Weather is colder. Frequent sleet/snow/rain mix.
Maybe they're figuring it will be the same on each blade arm and not get out of balance.
Not a peep from the oil interests.
Oil platforms operate in artic conditions and in far deeper water, but an big oil field generates far more revenue than a wind tower.
The evidence of the pureed birds disappears much quicker.
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Yes, those folks in the oil business are all about making local sacrifices for the greater good. That's why you find so many refineries in Dallas' upscale neighborhoods.
Here's an article on the Crib and wind power.
Green Energy
Oooh...ooh...can I play too?
Here's another one: MA Attorney General Tom Reilly
Yes, the same Tom Reilly that is suing the EPA over greenhouse gases. See Massachusetts vs. EPA.
Neat stuff!
No, that's why you find so many upscale neighborhoods built around oil refineries. Those eeeevil corporations!
Do some reading on the impact of regulation restricting refinery construction and driving up the price of petrochemicals, then get back to us.
I haven't looked, but I suspect there are as many in Dallas as there are in New England.
Does New York have any any more?