It was a pleasure to see Ann Althouse at the New York Law School conference yesterday.
Ann has a post today on a disturbing line of attack on John McCain's website, which uses as much black, white, and gray as possible:
John McCain has an aesthetically pleasing website, which is distinguished by the very low color level. Instead of the usual florid blue and red, it uses elegant, crisp black, white, and gray. Perhaps that calls to mind some beautifully photographed black and white movie. Bring on the liberal commentators, and what movie do they think of? Of course, it's "Triumph of the Will," which, admittedly, is a film known for its crisp black and white photography (to go along with its Nazi propaganda).
Here's Atrios:
Imperial Stormtrooper Chic
And Ezra Klein piles on:
Atrios is right, John McCain's new campaign web site is totally "imperial stormtrooper chic."
The color scheme strikes me as more evocative of 1930s Hollywood than NAZI iconography. NAZI colors are black, white, and definitely (blood) red.
Here is a page of 1933-45 NAZI propaganda posters.
Here is a page of 1030s Dutch political posters, some of which appear to be pro-labor or progressive.
I have no idea how representative these selections are. While there are certainly more black-and-white (and low color) posters in both collections than one would see in the 1930s French or Swiss travel posters that are sold on the market today, that may reflect more the desire to depict travel (or food) in more colorful terms.
Germany, 1933:

Germany, 1933:

Netherlands, 1933:

Netherlands, 1933:

The four posters I copied here are neither the most, nor the least, colorful on either site. They all are from the same year, 1933.
The few FDR posters I've seen are not particularly colorful either:

Exra Klein goes on to criticize the martial tone of the content of the McCain website, a criticism with which Ann in part agrees.
UPDATE: There are MANY excellent comments below, which require some additional qualifications.
First, "Imperial Stormtroopers" refers more directly to a military force in Star Wars (who wore black and white uniforms), rather than the NAZIs. Of course, they were named Stormtroopers to suggest NAZIs.
Second, I noted that Ezra Klein attacked the martial tone of the content of the site, as well as its color scheme, though I didn't discuss his comments. Klein makes explicit NAZI references, but many of them focus on the videos, rather than the black-and-white color scheme.
So while Atrios's comment wasn't explicitly about NAZIs, Klein's was, though Klein focused more on the videos than on the color scheme. Although I still find the line of argument "disturbing," which was my main editorial comment, I realize that by quoting just part of Ann Althouse's post, my original post may have implied more than was justified.
The Republicans = Nazi theme is rather tiresome. That said, McCain's website advertises itself as "A Departure from the Traditional Campaign Website." I am not sure that is accurate either--though I did like the muted color schemes because they are different.
Also, I don't see how anyone could think that black plus white refers to Triumph of the Will unless that is the only black-and-white movie they have seen. I could just as easily associate the McCain website with The Thin Man or Casablanca or Out of the Past.
When you hear "Stormtroopers" do you think "militarism" or do you think "Nazi"? Personally, I associate the term specifically with the Nazis.
I have never heard of Stalin having "storm troopers" or Mao or Genghis Khan or any other non Fascist military leader having them either. Have you?
This, is Klein's actual quote: "Atrios is right, John McCain's new campaign web site is totally "imperial stormtrooper chic." But to get the full flavor of the terrifyingly martial undercurrent, watch the video "stand up," which is currently the default clip on the front page. It looks like an over-the-top parody of fascist campaign propaganda from a movie, and sounds like Triumph of the Will."
Note, he is talking about a video, NOT about the color scheme, to which he refers as militaristic. Althouse, does a good job twisting his position though.
When I hear stormtroopers I think of Star Wars, Apparently so do most people
If, you did not think that Stalin had them, look here.
As far as Nazi colors are concerned, any association between a color scheme and Nazis would be limited to a specific time and place, at most. For example, the red, black, and white Nazi flag replaced the German red, black, and gold flag used in the Weimar period and used again today. But no reasonable person today would call, red, black, and white by itself a Nazi color scheme.
As for the movie, it didn't visually remind me much of what I know about "Triumph of the Will", except that every second scene seems to have a searchlight moving across McCain's face. I'm afraid that director is no Riefenstahl.
http://www.pow-miafamilies.org/flaghistory.html
Seriously, this is perhaps the silliest thing I have ever read here, except maybe the "Is the Air Force unconstitutional?" threads.
AMEN
Anyway, John McCain doesn't resemble Emperor Palpatine as much as Pope Benedict XVI does.
Red used comparitively common iron oxide.
I am wandering off topic--but you are wrong. The "honor" of Senator most resembling Palpatine has to be Robert K. Byrd.
Brian G:
This is not as silly as "Is the Air Force Constitutional?" But it is close.
However, it being a weekend, frivolous topics should be encouraged. After all, Orin Kerr has two posts: One on the late great Theloneous Monk and the other on Brittany Spear's bald head. Additionally, EV is concerned today lest we forget Dear Leader's Birthday.
While Monk's legacy will assuredly outlive me, a discussion about one of the leading candidates for President (or at leat his website) seems more substantial than Brittany Spear's head or Dear Leader's birthday (except, of course, for VC readers in Pyongyang).
By the end of 2006, 33% of seniors were online, perhaps he’s just subtly going after the conservative market in a different way?
This is a pretty unfair attack on Ezra and Duncan, and deserves an update and an apology.
Second, unfair to Ezra? Ex-squeeze me? Perhaps Atrios was only thinking Star Wars -- that's indeed what I think of when I hear the phrase "imperial stormtrooper" -- but Ezra explicitly mentioned "Triumph of the Will".
Agreed. But what are the odds? All's fair in blogging and meta-blogging. Or, at least, the only standards are the author's own.
Quick refresher on the timeline here:
1. Atrios posts a link to McCain's website under the heading of 'Imperial Stormtrooper chic'.
* Cute, if jokey, Star Wars reference to a link to a slightly overdone campaign website.
2. Ezra then has a followup post about a particular video on the website that he believes has militaristic overtones. In particular, the comment is about the militaristic 'propoganda-ish' aspect of the video, with a reference to the music of the video as being in akin to 'Triumph of the Will.'
* Okay, perhaps this should be thrown out by invoking Godwin's law. But it is a bizarre video, and had this come from a different candidate, would certainly have seemed out of place (Hillary, for example).
3. Mr. Lindgren then lumps everyone together by linking to Althouse (perhaps that was the mistake) and with the claim that the liberals (loosely defined as Atrios and Ezra) are claiming McCain's website is Nazi propoganda.
* Okay, this is where I get lost. This is either a willful misrepresentation of the original posts, or was created by someone who have never enjoyed George Lucas's films.
I did enjoy the posters. As for an apology.... posting on the internet means never having to say you're sorry.
In the 1928 presidential campaign the Republican National Committee ran an ad saying that (among other things) the administrations of Harding and Coolidge “put a chicken in every pot.” Hoover himself never used that phrase although he became associated with it. The Great Depression made a mockery of the promise of prosperity to come, so I suspect Roosevelt used the chicken picture to mock that campaign slogan.
What exactly is the political-campaign soundtrack for a 'free people'? Nine Inch Nails? 'Dueling Banjos'? 'Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy'? Ah me :)
Two ideas about the chicken. One based on fact, the other a guess.
In some states symbols were printed on ballots so illiterate voters could readily spot their party. The Democrats did not use the donkey. They used the rooster. Why? I don't know.
Second idea. Somewhat less likely. The Farmer-Labor Party merged into the Democratic Party of Minnesota just before the Roosevelt-Truman run in 1944. I believe (don't know for sure) the Farm-Labor Party symbol was a rooster. Maybe the poster was from Minnesota or a nearby state that also had a Farm-Labor Party.
The Democratic-Farm-Labor Party name is still used seventy years later. Abbreviated DFL.
We are certain to hear from Minnesota now. They take the DFL quite seriously there.
This color scheme nonsense is indeed nonsense. The Imperial Stormtroopers were bad because the Empire was bad. If you don't believe me ask George Lucas or see his three part documentary about it all.
Maybe the IST were as bad as the Nazi ST. Can we be sure? They were in a galaxy far, far way.
The Nazi party color was brown not black, white, or red. But after they gained control they damn well used any and every color as they pleased. The SS ended up with black.
Goering - after receiving the highest military rank - chose white and sky blue for his more memorable fashion statements.
A rooster? He said a “chicken.” In Midwestern states particularly Ohio; the Republicans used an eagle on the ballot, while the Democrats used a rooster. Or is it a capon (castrated rooster)? Greenfield Indiana claims that it’s the birthplace of the Democratic Rooster in the campaign of 1840. See this photograph of a town marker.
I dare say. How does that go: Ready, Shoot, Aim
The term "stormtroopers" was coined well before Hitler having been used in WW l to describe voulunter trench raiders.
A failed historian above makes a reference to Stalin having stormtroopers. What Stalin had was the Red Guard divisions, also NKVD divisions but they were used mostly for enforcement behind the lines and capturing deserters.
Shoeboxes all over America must be full of pictures of American WWII Nazi Troopers heading off to the continent in the figh against... um....
You'd have to be taking crazy pills to make that connection...
Although I have seen a Black and white photo of Ann Coulter...
explicitlyabout NAZIs, Klein's was, though Klein focused more onthe videoswhat actually made the webpage like Triumph of the Will rather than on thecolor scheme.what I complain about. Although I still findthe line of argumentliberals "disturbing," which was my main editorial comment, I realize thatby quoting just part of Ann Althouse's post,my original postmay have implied more thanwas not justified.Fixed your apology.
Isn't it more reasonable to assume it was a Nazi reference, given the fact that hardly a day goes by without the average left-wing blogger making a "Republicans are Nazis/fascists" reference of some kind?
Yeah, I guess that would make more sense -- if your a complete moron.
But as a symbol - at least in English - the words have a great difference.
I speak only about the poster and have no interest in any attempt to use the illustrated bird to imply cowardice. It looked like a rooster to me.
Thanks for the Greenfield factoid.
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
What was he wrong about in this thread that he should have admitted?
2) That it was "unfair" to say that Ezra was comparing McCain's website to Nazi propaganda, when he explicitly was.
Oh, and while this isn't something Justin was objectively wrong about, it's pretty absurd to claim that Ezra, who deliberately misrepresented McCain's message, is owed an apology.
In any case I suppose you have never heard the term "BusHitler". Let me pass it on to you for your edification and thoughtful consideration.
Now what were you saying about morons?
I guess there are lots of us wrong on these counts. I won't be apologizing either.
I don't really know what you're talking about. I block quoted a response that was posted about a half inch above my response, that made no reference to the KKK or backroads; I quoted in full. As far as the term Bushitler, I neither know nor care who coined it. I am not sure what relevance it has here.
If your power of logical reasoning is limited to
(i) some people compare bush to hitler,
(ii) someone used the term "imperial stormtrooper" when referring to McCain's website, ergo
(iii) they must have been making a Nazi reference even though the plainest and most obvious reading of "imperial stormtrooper" is a reference to star wars,
then you are either (a) a moron, (b) utterly ignorant of popular culture or (c) trying really hard to take offense.
Forget Klein's post. The argument about his explicit words or intent says nothing about the fact that Alhouse simply jumped into Godwin's law first regarding solely Atrios and got it wrong. She owes him an apology and a correction.
Now sit down with your remedial reading instructor and go over this.
Read, and you're allowed to move your lips, my first sentence.
"references were left out" of the post you smeared. As simply as I can put it that means that along with the Nazi/Fascist stuff you get occasional KKK name calling as well. To jump ahead and use your phrase it is part of our "popular culture", of which you may be more ignorant then I am.
You missed it but I never said anything about "The Editors" being either right or wrong in their conclusion re the original post. But that it is important to the Lefts vocabulary gives at least leeway for the comment.
Your fastidious approach to posting should be broadened to such vile language as Bushitler,but perhaps that's the rub in the first place. The Editors may have stuck close to bone, as your carefree dismissal of the phrase hints at.
As for the rest of the spillage of your mind I'm not interested, except for a passing interest in hysteria.
Note: when a "liberal" blogger - especially scum like Atrios - does something like that, they know exactly where it's going to lead. It's like throwing out red meat larded with pork and coated with blood.
Found the following after a grueling and intensive ten second search:
http://tinyurl.com/2puo3k
Your comment about the lying, politically ignorant right-wing promoters of the Bushitler meme is pretty clearly untrue. I wouldn't accuse you of lying, but the ignorance shoe appears to fit your foot with Birkenstockian precision. And both shoe and foot fit your mouth nicely too.
This will allow your statement to stand as to never seeing it on blogs and my statement to stand as to it having been used.
My earlier comment about the KKK also being used in the Lefts lexicon will also stand thanks, among others, to representative Charlie Rangel. After he used it in a NY Times interview he was complimented as "feisty". I would have thought it foul &filthy mouthed but the Times and I differ.
There, hopefully we have reached common ground &with the satisfaction of peace and finality I may wander off to other sites.
I'm surprised that in 70+ comments nobody mentions that McCain is obviously pandering to the hard-core, red-statists who wish for the good old days in the midst of the very unsettlingly fast 21st century. And what is the biggest contrast to 'da internets'? The good old black, white, and read all over newspapers. It makes sense if you consider the cost of b/w graphics v. licensing a bunch of rockwell prints.
You only get this when you first take into account his recent embrace of evangelicals and his even more recently declared opposition to Roe v. Wade. Once you see those, it's obvious he's gunning for W's old, scared, reactionary constituency.
This has been a relatively nasty thread. Calling Elliott a liar, TLB's "scum like Atrios" remark... I think this is the inevitable result of such a misleading and unjustified post.