The Volokh Conspiracy

Conservative Legal Luminary Ted Olson Joins Giuliani Campaign:

Apparently this happened yesterday: "The Rudy Giuliani Presidential Exploratory Committee today announced that former Solicitor General Theodore Olson will chair the Mayor’s Justice Advisory Committee." Olson, recall, was Solicitor General from 2001 to 2004, was Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel from 1981 to 1984, and is generally one of the biggest figures in conservative legal circles.

My sense is also that he is seen as a very solid conservative, including by very solid conservatives (though I realize that some very solid conservative friends of mine might ask me how a squish like me could possibly know who's a very solid conservative). This might bear on how other conservatives see Giuliani, whose conservatism is in some dispute.

David Sucher (mail) (www):
Are you implying that see yourself as a"conservative?"
3.2.2007 6:20pm
Eugene Volokh (www):
I am, depending on the day, a moderate libertarianish conservative, a moderate conservativish libertarian, or more vaguely a man of the center-right. But to those who are far enough right, even I can look dangerously left ....
3.2.2007 6:29pm
Ramza:

But to those who are far enough right, even I can look dangerously left ....

Can this be due to you being a law professor and thus not to be trusted *wink*
3.2.2007 6:36pm
therut:
I just do not see Gulliani as a conservative. If he is he is the type that could also be called a liberal. He is not a conservatiave Democrat even. I will not vote for him. I just can not do that. I'd rather see a Democrat win than have a "Republician" elected that will do much harm to things I care about.
3.2.2007 6:44pm
nemo:
"Olson ... was Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel from 1981 to 1984."

The AG in the eighties was Ed Meese, of course. I'd guess that he and several others would out-rank Olsen in the conservative legal circles dept. But he does represent a valuable addition to Team Rudy, whose biggest weakness (from a conservative perspective) is on the judicial front.
3.2.2007 6:46pm
Shake-N-Bake:
Giuliani isn't conservative, but his authoritarian nature will play to some of the current Republican crowd. Of course, the fact that he's pro-choice, in favor of stem cell research, pro-gun control, divorced twice, married his second cousin, etc etc etc means the campaign has a pretty tough road to convince the GOP base to give him the nomination.

Frankly, Olson or no Olson, Giuliani would probably do better in the general election than he will in the GOP primary. Once the primary season really gets going at the GOP base finds out what Giuliani actually believes, he's in deep trouble.

Of course, Bush managed to convince people he was a 'compassionate conservative', of which he has seemed to be neither. So maybe Rudy can pull it off -- there's just so much out there already documenting his positions that it will be hard.
3.2.2007 6:47pm
davidbernstein (mail):
Given that no one individual like Olson is going to substantially affect the outcome of the primaries, the appropriate strategy for someone like him is to take his best guess as to who is going to win, and jumpm on that bandwagon in the hope of influencing the future administration's policies. Thus, I'd take Olson's action less as a sign that he thinks that Rudy is a true-blue conservative, and more as a sign that he thinks that Rudy is the likely winner.
3.2.2007 8:20pm
JunkYardLawDog (mail):
All Giulliani has to do is promise to only appoint conservative judges, promise not to promote gun control (including handgun control), state he believes the second amendment defines an individual right that protects handguns in addition to long guns, and promise to veto any attempted revival of the assault weapons ban or any handgun ban/registration schemes.

If Giulliani would make these statements promises he could get 100% of the conservative vote. He's already made the promise on judges, but he hasn't come anywhere near stating what he needs to on gun control. In fact quite the opposite he states he believes in handgun and gun control in general as an option mayors and states should have.

I'd love to vote for Giulliani personally, but I can't if he doesn't come around on gun control.

Says the "Dog"
3.2.2007 8:47pm
Esquire:
As a pro-life evangelical conservative, I could support Rudy if I can believe his promise on judges. I think it would be refreshing indeed (and a good civics lesson) for the country to hear a guy who says there can be a difference between what he thinks the law *should* be and what it actually is. (After all, conservatives rarely seek to "constitutionalize" their view; reversing Roe/Casey just sends it back to the legislatures.)

I know Rudy is more secular than many on the religious right would like, but I think most can appreciate that his disagreement is a respectful one. Rudy has yet to be hostile or antagonistic to religious conservatives even as he articulates his disagreements -- the same cannot be said for John McCain as of 2000.
3.2.2007 9:08pm
Spectral Disorder:

Team Rudy, whose biggest weakness (from a conservative perspective) is on the judicial front.

Given Rudy's penchant for adultery, it surprises me that the judicial front is his biggest weakness in the eyes of conservatives.
3.2.2007 9:13pm
JunkYardLawDog (mail):
Spectral Disorder, its your incorrect stereotypes of conservatives that leads you to be surprised.

Says the "Dog"
3.2.2007 9:33pm
Mark Field (mail):

Spectral Disorder, its your incorrect stereotypes of conservatives that leads you to be surprised.


That's right, SD. You actually expected conservatives to have some principles. Silly stereotype.
3.2.2007 9:42pm
33yearprof (mail):
"Giuliani isn't conservative, but his authoritarian nature will play to some of the current Republican crowd."

Yup.
3.2.2007 9:59pm
Duffy Pratt (mail):
Giuliani says that he is pro-abortion but thinks Roe was wrongly decided. I think he may have the same view about gay rights: personally in favor but not constitutionally mandated.

As for Olsen, his wife died on 9/11. Its just possible that that might have something to do with his choice here, and it might be more than pure calculation for political gain.
3.2.2007 11:25pm
abean:

That's right, SD. You actually expected conservatives to have some principles. Silly stereotype.

Seriously, when did the Republican party become synonymous with priggishness. It seems to me that this actually a bit of canard, and it unfairly classifies the party as a whole for the positions of some of its members.
3.3.2007 12:31am
Ron Hardin (mail) (www):
The Guiliani drawback is the odd prosecutions he pushed through before he was mayor.
3.3.2007 5:23am
Brett Bellmore:

All Giulliani has to do is promise to ...


"All" he has to do is convince people who dislike his previous track record on gun control, abortion, and so forth, that his current, polically expedient promises are worth a bucket of warm spit. That's going to be a tough sell. It's a sell which, in a rational world, ought to fail. Because they're probably NOT worth a bucket of warm spit.

Guliani's biggest strength is that he's going to be in the top three going in, and with the compressed primary schedule, there won't be time for somebody to rise from the 2nd rank to challenge him.

Instead, he's going to be up against McCain(/Feingold) and Romney. Social conservatives are going to find plenty to hate about all three, and so it's going to cancel out.
3.3.2007 8:22am
volokh watcher (mail):

The AG in the eighties was Ed Meese, of course. I'd guess that he and several others would out-rank Olsen in the conservative legal circles dept.


Ted Olson became AAG-OLC under Reagan's first AG, William French Smith -- Olson's partner and mentor in the LA office of Gibson Dunn &Crutcher. That was back in the days of emerging mega-firms. (My recollection is GDC opened its DC Office in '84 to leverage Olson's and French-Smith's experience; but a GDC historian would have to weigh in.)

Edwin Meese became AG in Feb 1985, after Olson left government.
3.3.2007 8:34am
Steve:
Rudy Giuliani would have been quite comfortably called a conservative a few decades back.

There's nothing wrong with insisting that your candidates hew to a party line on a laundry list of hot-button issues such as abortion, judges, gay marriage, gun control, and so on and so forth; just realize this is a Democratic Party business model that you're adopting.
3.3.2007 9:46am
David Sucher (mail) (www):
If Eugene Volokh is a "conservative" then words have lost their meaning in American politics.
3.3.2007 10:47am
BobVDV (mail):
Didn't Olson argue Bush v. Gore? Is Rudy preparing for post-election litigation two years in advance?
3.3.2007 10:55am
Scipio_79:
As a "conservative" lawyer, I'll vote for Rudy as long as he appoints the right judges. If he does that, he dosn't have to promise anything else. All other things will fall in line, even possible gun bans (since the right judges will strike down those bans).
3.3.2007 2:34pm
Bob from Tenn (mail):
Eugene can view himself as moderately conservative (libertarian or not) because he naturally compares himself to his peer group of UCLA professors. Almost anybody would appear conservative compared to that peer group. Compared to most Americans, which are catagorized by the NYT as far right (and by Eugene as "far enough right"), Eugene would NOT be conservative.
3.3.2007 4:19pm
Dick Schweitzer (mail):
The Pysche that drove the Newport Securities arrests are probably something we will have to swallow as the price for developing what is to pass for "leadership" at this stage of history. But, it is some assurance for this libertarian to see my former neighbor , whom I greatly admire (he too was wrongly and for too long kept in limbo) on board for someone.

Political parties now exist as means for bringing together coalitions for power through government. Since libertarians are basically against most of such "power," they should not try to have a party, but try to be tipping weight in the coalition. I hope that is what Ted is doing. Gawd, what will our Grandchildren do for "leadership" at this rate? Learn Chinese I guess!!
3.4.2007 4:36pm
stickler:
Olson on Janice Rogers Brown -- thumbs up

Jan Crawford Greenberg has a new post up on her blog about Olson and Giuliani and judges. She interviews Olson and asks him if Giuliani would consider nominating Janice Rogers Brown and then fighting for her hard. Olson then tells her that Giuliani would, and he then talks enthusiastically about Brown.

That's a good start. Now if he'll promise not to nominate Consuello Callahan (who first started getting pushed by socially liberal Republicans like John Fund, who clearly states on his website he's in favor of abortion), Giuliani will be making real headway with consevatives.
3.4.2007 5:15pm
Vegas:
This will be a big blow to McCain. During the 2006 National Lawyers Convention of the Federalist Society, Olson introduced McCain and appeared to endorse him.
3.4.2007 10:31pm
Proud to be a liberal :
I guess that I do not understand why it is sufficient for pro-life Republicans if Guiliani would just appoint the "right" judges. If Roe was overturned, the Congress as well as the states could pass legislation on abortion. If he is pro-choice, would he promote laws prohibiting abortion except to save the life of the mother? If not, how can the right to life community support him?
3.4.2007 11:12pm
markm (mail):
Why would pro-lifers trust Guiliani to keep his promises to appoint the "right" judges? Or why would conservatives of any stripe trust Guiliani to keep his promises to reverse course on most of the policies he followed in NY? In the words of a fake campaign poster that's been bandied about the internet: "Sure I cheated on my wives, but you can trust me."

The real question is, why aren't there any prominent real Republicans in the race? I'm a small-l libertarian, which makes me only slightly less unhappy with conservative Republicans than leftist Democrats, but Guiliani, McCain, and Romney all seem like the worst of both positions - they have no respect for any rights of the people.
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