Phony Experts:

I'm working on a project about phony experts, which I loosely define as purported experts who can't do what they claim to be able to do, or whose claimed expertise is nonsensical or non-credible. I would welcome reader suggestions regarding categories of experts to look into. Here are some examples I've been toying with: (1) Homeopaths; (2) Economic forecasters; (3) Creationists; (4) Psychiatrists who claim to be able to judge "future dangerousness"; and (5) Clinical ecologists.

I'm not looking for Holocaust deniers, Flat Earthers, or any other group that's not taken seriously by the American public, but categories of experts (or even individuals--Deepak Chopra?) whose views are quoted in the media (Discovery Institute creationists), who testify as experts in court (future dangerousness prognosticators), whose services are paid for by companies (economic forecasters), or whose products and services many individuals buy (homeopathic "medicine").

Please post suggestions below, or email me at deliotb at aol dot com.

Goobermunch (mail):
Chiropractors?
3.26.2007 4:59pm
uh clem (mail):
I nominate the Editorial Page Staff of the Wall Street Journal.
3.26.2007 5:03pm
FantasiaWHT:
Environmental forecasters
3.26.2007 5:06pm
James Ellis (mail):
"Repressed memory" experts
3.26.2007 5:08pm
Esquire:
You need to qualify what kind of "expertise" you're talking about. Indeed, many *theological* "experts" are "Creationists," but they're generally invoking premises of faith -- as opposed to naturalistic-science. So, seminary and bible scholars can be legitimate "experts" about religious doctrine, even if their premises are strenuously disagreed with by those of other philosophical persuasions. (And of course, there are a handful of different "versions" of creationism.)

Of course, I'm separating "creationsim" from the whole "intelligent design" debate, which got into whether the two distinct epistomological bases could somehow be harmonized. (Even those who are hostile to "intelligent design" theory as naturalistic science generally do concede it's perfectly valid as religion.)
3.26.2007 5:08pm
Centrist:
Law professors? Ok, how about wall street analysts. or sunday news show "pundits".
3.26.2007 5:13pm
Anderson (mail):
(1) Bite-mark analysts.

(2) Whoever that guy in Mississippi was who claimed he could tell from the bullet wound whether the trigger was pulled by one person, or by two. (He deserves his own category.)
3.26.2007 5:17pm
Nunya (mail):
ALL POLITICIANS.
3.26.2007 5:20pm
Alan Gunn (mail):
People who claim to be experts in identifying handwriting. Many years ago, I worked on the Howard Hughes "autobiography" forgery, where the world's purported top expert opined firmly that the writing was Hughes's. It wasn't. What's particularly amusing about this is the way in which people get recognized as "experts": there aren't schools; you become an "expert" by getting a two-bit J.P. court or some such to allow you to testify, then you bootstrap that into testifying in the county court, and eventually you end up in the big leagues.

None of this is original with me; there are some good law-review articles exposing the racket.
3.26.2007 5:25pm
Bobbie (mail):
Isn't there some disagreement about whether finger printing is accurate?
3.26.2007 5:27pm
Shane (mail):
Those who administer polygraph examinations.
3.26.2007 5:32pm
scote (mail):
The following are a number of Licensed BSers. Brokers are, I think, Federally licensed and Chiropractors and Naturopaths are state licensed.

Wall Street Brokers -- at least one study showed they perform worse, on average, than darts thrown on a page of stocks.

Chiropractors -- a late Victorian theory of medicine that claimed that all disease is caused by "subluxations," or invisible and undetectable impingements on the spinal nerves which interfere with the flow of "Life Force." Many chiropractors still claim to be able to cure infections, like pediatric ear infections, with spinal adjustments. Although Chiropractic can temporarily relieve some back pain, chiropractic is mostly a hodgepodge of dogmatic pseudo science mixed in with some actual fact--rendering the whole completely un-reliable.

Naturopaths -- a completely pseudoscientific community with no clear consensus. Many disbelieve in the Germ Theory of disease and think germs are a symptom of disease and not the cause. Naturopaths claim to help nature and offer "holistic" treatments but Naturopathy is not based on facts or testable outcomes.

Feng Shui consultants -- while you may consider them more akin to "Flat Earthers" than respected consultants, Feng Shui consultants none the less have been called in to fix the "bad energies" in everything from a Casino near a grave yard to a zoo's animal enclosure. Complete hokum. No two "experts" can agree on the proper implementation. Not surprising since no actual facts are involved.

Anyone brought in as a consultant on "morality," especially church leaders who are presumed to be inherently "more moral" without any evidence to that effect.
3.26.2007 5:32pm
Ex-Fed (mail):
I'd have to agree with Alan Gunn.

I once participated in a training session in which FBI agents were being trained in testifying and how to deal with cross-examination. One agent was a "handwriting expert." A few other AUSAs and I were tasked to rattle their cages in crosses in a hypothetical case. I decided to focus on whether handwriting analysis was a real science.

At the end of it, she left the room crying and none of the FBI agents would talk to me.

And I'm not really that good.
3.26.2007 5:33pm
AF:
. . . which I loosely define as purported experts who [1] can't do what they claim to be able to do, or [2] whose claimed expertise is nonsensical or non-credible.

I'm okay with definition [1] but not definition [2]. What's wrong with an expert's area of expertise being nonsensical or non-credible if he doesn't make false claims? Take an expert on Lacanian psychoanalytical theory or on Muslim theology. Their propriety as expert witnesses depends on the claims they are making (eg tenure standards in their respective fields v. predictions about the future), not whether one considers their fields coherent or credible.
3.26.2007 5:36pm
Bob McHenry (mail):
dowsers; naprapaths; astrologers; Scientologists
3.26.2007 5:37pm
Connie (mail):
Raw milk people (Sally Fallon, Charles Walthers, etc.): drinking unpasteurized milk is not only safe but will cure all sorts of ailments. See also: organic foodies, high-fat diet believers.

Crop circle people.
3.26.2007 5:38pm
Ramza:
Anybody who is from the discovery institute

Discovery Institute
3.26.2007 5:38pm
scote (mail):
Let me second the Polygraph examiner nomination. These examinations are entirely subjective. The machine is merely an intimidation tool with no scientific basis. The results are strictly the instincts of the examiner with a fancy looking dressed up dowsing rod to ad the imprimatur of "science" to the result.

Not one spy has ever been caught in the US from any polygraph exam.

The examiners, either wittingly or unwittingly, are part of this fraud that has been continuously perpetrated on the public.
3.26.2007 5:40pm
JohnAnnArbor (www):
Dowsing?
3.26.2007 5:41pm
JohnAnnArbor (www):
Somebody beat me to it.

How about police psychics? Departments are constantly calling them in.
3.26.2007 5:44pm
William Oliver (mail) (www):
Following up on Esquire's comment, it sounds like you are being a little circular. I get the impression you are defining expert not on the basis of qualifications, but on the basis of whether or not you agree with their likely opinion. You seem to be conflating three different failures:

1) People who do not have expertise in a certain area but pretend they do
2) People who have expertise in an are that you hold in contempt.
3) People who have expert qualifications but who whore themselves in a real scientific field and testify to things they should not testify to.

For instance, let's say that you are involved in a suit in which a renter is suing a landlord for renting her a haunted apartment. Two "experts" on ghosts and the paranormal are presented. One expert says that he or she has studied the paranormal for twenty years, has a PhD in some related field such as history or cultural anthropology with an emphasis on the paranormal, and who testifies that there is no evidence to show that ghosts exist. One expert provides the same background and qualifications and says that he or she is convinced not only that ghosts exist, but that the plaintiff has good reason to believe that one is in her apartment.

My impression is that you would consider the first a "real" expert and the second not. It's not that people can't be experts in the paranormal. It's that you don't believe that a "real" expert would come to a particular conclusion.

Do you believe in vampire experts? I do. I happen to have listened to lectures at a forensic sciences meeting by an expert on vampires and vampirism. The person is a physical anthropologist who did extensive work on relating decompositional changes under different environmental conditions and related them to cultural myths about the appearance of vampires when exhumed.

Further, in most jurisdictions, an expert is simply someone who has more knowledge about an area than the average layperson. There is no reason that someone cannot be an expert in "Creationism" or "Voodoo" or plumbing or roof repair.

Whether or not they meed Daubert or Frye criteria as "scientific" in some sense is a different question. A licensed plumber is an "expert" on doing plumbing work, but is not, in general, held to Daubert standards. What is the "error rate" or "scientific basis" on testifying about whether or not a plumbing job was done competently?

A person can, in fact, be an expert in the area of economic forcasting, just like one can be an expert in weather forecasting. Whether or not they can make accurate forecasts is a different matter. It could be that it takes an expert in economic forecasting to competently address the limitations of economic forecasting.

I understand what you are getting at, but I think you need to define it better.
3.26.2007 5:48pm
Mac (mail):
Chiropractors who can "cure" all that ails you with spinal manipulation, herbs and, my personal favorite, adjusting your body's ph level. This is not to say that all Chiropractors advocate all of this stuff. Those who stick to the basics and know their limitations can be most helpful.

I would personally love to see someone check the outcomes of court ordered DUI classes for efficacy. I have know two people who had to go through these for quite some time and they were a joke. A friend of mine had to listen to here counselor tell her all of her own problems. With a lot to lose, she was not about to repeat with or without classes. However, she was court ordered, so had no recourse but to pay through the nose and take the very unhelpful garbage they put out. I also know a young person who sat through these classes and was completely underwhelmed as were many others in the class, she reported. And, if they are not getting through to young people or to repeat offenders, then things need to change and programs that will work need to be substituted for programs that merely make certain folks a lot of money.
Now, I am all for getting drunks off the street, but most first offenders don't repeat anyway and it seems we are helpless to keep the reppeat offenders off the street and are not getting through to young people. ( I am invincible and all that stuff.) No one dares question such a noble enterprise, but it is a real moneymaker and the audience is helpless and captive and I don't think anyone is watching them. I would realkly love to know what their outcomes are, esp. with the two groups mentioned above. Again, I am all for whatever it takes for people to not drink and drive, but I have a strong suspician no one is minding the store and these various programs are not all that effective.

Al Gore and global warming, especaillay his vision of it.

Animal clairvoyents who claim to know what animals are thinking and what happened to your lost or deceased animals.

People who claim they can cure pedophile sex offenders.

Peace studies. Have they ever come up with anything that would actually work?


This is a fun and facinating topic. I wish you well with it whatever subjects you choose.
3.26.2007 5:48pm
Flight-ER-Doc (mail):
There are two groups of chiropractors, those that are complete loons, and those that just work on people's backs. There's some evidence that they can be effective for lower back pain, at least as effective (which isn't saying much) as conventional medicine...And, the relief appears to be quicker, which is a benefit to the patient (Disclosure: I'm an allopathic physician (MD) who is board certified in emergency medicine, so I don't have a dog in that fight).

In the medical realm, 'Dr.' Mercola and the convicted conman Kevin Trudeau are on the top of my list.
3.26.2007 5:48pm
JohnAnnArbor (www):

Raw milk people

It's amazing how many people equate "natural" with "good" automatically. Well, disease is natural.
3.26.2007 5:52pm
Le Messurier (mail):
1. Anybody reporting or editorializing (same thing?) for the New York Times.

2. Al Gore
3.26.2007 5:53pm
WHOI Jacket:
Homeopathic healers
Psychics
Feung Shui-types
most avant-garde nutritionists
pet therapists
3.26.2007 5:55pm
EST:
There were a series of cases in the seventies going into the late eighties where plaintiffs sued "experiential education" groups, like EST or Transcendental Meditation, claiming they were brainwashed. The plaintiffs always had experts on brainwashing which seemed to be bunk to me at the time.
3.26.2007 5:57pm
need more elaboration (mail):
I agree with the above posters that your categories need more elaboration.
Also, it sounds like you have already made a judgment on what is "phony." I'm not a believer in homeopathic medicine, but I know people who are, and swear by it. Who can say that they are entirely wrong? It could be that there's something to it. On an objective level, suppose some homeopathic cure actually works - is an expert in the subject a phony?
3.26.2007 6:00pm
another one (mail):
Cult deprogrammers.
3.26.2007 6:02pm
Nostromo (mail):
In terms of sheer volume, chiropractors must be near the top. I was once on a personal injury jury in which the chiropractor who was an expert witness testified that a substantial portion of his practice was in treating people who were plaintiffs in personal injury cases.
3.26.2007 6:03pm
Bill Poser (mail) (www):
"Voiceprint" identification "experts". I mean specifically the cranks who claim to be able to take spectrograms of an unknown person (e.g. from a 911 tape or recording of a ransom message) and a known person and determine that they were made by the same person.
3.26.2007 6:05pm
marghlar:
In the Julie Rae Harper case (downstate Illinois somewhere) they tried to introduce an "linguistics expert" to show that, based on the word choice in a note, someone could be shown to be guilty of murdering her son. I think that qualifies, right? That expert was excluded, but they did try.

I'll second the whole industry of "graphology." Nothing but quackery. Ditto repressed memory experts; I think that might actually be the best example, because it is frequently admitted and it is total scientific garbage.
3.26.2007 6:09pm
Mac (mail):
JohnAnnArbor wrote,

"It's amazing how many people equate "natural" with "good" automatically. Well, disease is natural."

Right on. Hemlock is natural, but I don't think it's very good for you. So is digitalis which is foxglove, but it wouldn't be a good idea to ingest it. At least 25% of our drugs come from herbs. They all have side effects, but the same folks who think prescription drugs are all bad. take herbs and never question safety or efficacy.

It is good to remember that the drug companies have a heck of a time beating the placebo effect when they are conducting trials of new drugs. Claritan, for instance, barely beat the placebo; just by enough to get FDA approval. The mind is a powerful thing. The companies and people who sell herbs, vitamins, homeopathic remedies, et al, know this and do they ever use it to part the folks from their money.

Organic? Besides getting lousy looking vegetables etc. and paying a fortune for them, why are we living longer and longer even though pesticides have been in use for many, many years?

Ditto electric power lines.
3.26.2007 6:10pm
AppSocRes (mail):
The Ph.D. racket in "softer" disciplines, like the humanities and social sciences has produced so many credentialed expert ignoramuses in the past few decades that I'd argue anyone with a Ph.D. in these disciplines should be tested in any area where s/he claims expertise before such expertise is acknowledged or accepted. I've encountered Ph.D.s in English literature who are contemptibly ignorant of Shakespeare and could not pen a coherent paragraph if their lives depended on it. I know of a history Ph.D. who believed that Samuel (not John) Adams helped Jefferson write the Declaration of Independence!
3.26.2007 6:15pm
liberty (mail) (www):
I am skeptical about a lot of the behavioral experts used for criminal trials, include those that testify about insanity (and hence culpability) and those that testify about the type of person who must have committed the crime (that argue defendent is probably guilty because he has a certain kind of background).

It seems to me that these experts are probably not better than the average person at knowing the mind of the defendent or the actual perpetrator.

I also think that whether or not you believe the global warming scientists to be doing good science, it would be interesting to compare them to the other groups using the same standards - certainly in the past there were economic (malthusians, marxists) and environmental (ice age alarmists, etc) scientists that were clearly in the pseudo-expert category.
3.26.2007 6:15pm
Mac (mail):
People who claim they can tell you what somewhat is like based on their handwriting. I just love the personality profiles these folks come up with. I think it ranks up there with Astology and voodoo. (Different from identifying a forgery from someone's actual handwriting.)
3.26.2007 6:18pm
john w. (mail):
"Counselors" of all stripes, most psychologists, and anybody who claims to be doing whatever it is they do "...for the children.". Especially the quacks featured in these two books:

1.) "Whores of the Court." by Margaret A. Hagen
2.) No Crueler Tyrannies." by Dorothy Rabinowitz
3.26.2007 6:19pm
Zathras (mail):
Bloggers.
3.26.2007 6:21pm
PatHMV (mail) (www):
In a criminal trial, I once watched the defense attorney try to qualify someone as an "expert in the dynamics of violent encounters." The [derogatory adjective repressed because of bar rules] judge denied the guy expert status, there being no such field, but gave the defense counsel leeway to ask a few questions anyway, as a "fact" witness (he was purely a hired-gun trial expert who knew nothing about the facts of the case but what the defense told him). That allowed him to accomplish the sole purpose of the witness, which was to leap out of the chair and put a choke-hold on the defense lawyer in the space of about 3 seconds, to show the jury just how reasonable it was for the homeowner to shoot the innocent kid coming to knock on the door to ask for directions.

Some quick research finds at least one such expert practicing... I don't THINK this was the guy in the trial I watched, though.
3.26.2007 6:28pm
Ron Hardin (mail) (www):
Erving Goffman's classic _Asylums_ , a beautifully written examination of mental hospitals (back when we had mental hospitals), that was mistakenly read as advocating their elimination, whereas he only brought to light what they in fact are ; as a model for institutions in general.

Anyway we eliminated them and now have mental patients fending for themselves on the streets.

That's not to say that we had experts, but we did have people playing that role, and people playing the role of patients, and there was give and take and people carved out a niche for themselves in it
3.26.2007 6:30pm
Mark Buehner (mail):
Chiropractors get another vote.

Homeopaths probably deserve reiteration- they delay people who need authentic medical care from getting it.

Scientologists

Spoon benders

Therapuetic Touch Healers

Those lunatics that claim they can decypher dog barks
3.26.2007 6:32pm
Ella (mail):
"I know of a history Ph.D. who believed that Samuel (not John) Adams helped Jefferson write the Declaration of Independence!"

This is a little unfair. There are thousands of years of history - if his field was American history, this would indeed by inexcusable. If his field is anything else and he was American, it would be embarassing, but no more surprising than an attorney who's been practicing real estate law for twenty years being stumped by a question relating to criminal procedure - he probably once knew the answer and has long since recycled the memory space. Much like an attorney, an historian (or other humanities PhD) is both an expert in historical METHODS and an expert in a particular substantitive area or areas, but not in all possible areas.
3.26.2007 6:34pm
Ron Hardin (mail) (www):
con't. I typed in a bit of Goffman for other reasons, but it will serve as a sample : here
3.26.2007 6:35pm
Just John:
Commenters on blogs. *rimshot*

Maybe those "repressed memory" psychologists... though I'm not sure how seriously they're taken these days, especially those with patients that swear they've been abducted by aliens.
3.26.2007 6:36pm
Mac (mail):
The EPA and their Arsenic in Water study and new standards of 10 ppb instead of 50 ppb. It was an incredibly flawed study of poorTaiwanese villagers who live in poverty and have poor diets. It is going to cost the US taxpayeer millions and millions of dollars to "remedy" a problem that does not exist. Remember, that is money that is not available to fix problems that we know are killing people, such as highways in congested areas that don't have a physical barrier between the opposing lanes of traffic. Also, the rest of the developed world is quite happy with 50 ppb of arsenic in their water. That alone says a lot about the reliability of the EPA's data.
3.26.2007 6:38pm
John425:
Albert Gore and his All-Girl Global Warming and Internet Baking Choral and Marching Band.
3.26.2007 6:41pm
RJT:
Check out Posner's book "Public Intellectuals." I think he covers some of the same ground.
3.26.2007 6:48pm
scote (mail):
Flight-ER-Doc writes: "Disclosure: I'm an allopathic physician (MD) who is board certified in emergency medicine, so I don't have a dog in that fight). "

That you would feel impelled to call yourself an "allopathic" physician is yet another sign of the pervasive influence of pseudo science.

I'd say you are a Medical Doctor who uses evidence-based medicine. "Allopathic" is a term invented by homeopath Samuel Hahnemann as a way to describe non-homeopahic doctors of his time. It is often used as a pejorative by alternative "medicine" advocates and you shouldn't be tricked in to using their term to defend your evidence-based, scientific medicine. It's like interstellar astronomers having to call themselves by a term invented by astrologers.
3.26.2007 6:50pm
Deskmerc (mail) (www):
Congress.
3.26.2007 6:51pm
Richard Gould-Saltman (mail):

Any psychologist testifying in any forensic setting who bases his opinion in some way on a Rorschach exam?


r gould-saltman
3.26.2007 6:52pm
Ella (mail):
It seems to me there are two key questions for evaluating whether a particular field or methodology for arriving at an opinion (rather than the expert herself) is "fake" or not.

1. What is the error rate?
2. What method was used to determine the error rate?

If the error rate is 50% or greater, the field or methodology is almost certainly bunk. Likewise, if the methodology used to determine the error rate deviates in important ways from generally accepted scientific methods, the field is probably "fake."
3.26.2007 6:52pm
Ex-Fed (mail):
I should add law enforcement "experts" on particular kinds of crime, particularly DEA experts. Most of their stuff seems to be generalizing from their own experience, agreeing that any practice identified by the prosecutor is consistent with drug dealing, and toeing the DEA official position that, for instance, there is no such thing as a blind mule.
3.26.2007 6:54pm
Duffy Pratt (mail):
Me! and believe my I know.
3.26.2007 6:55pm
Houston Lawyer:
Aromatherapists
acupuncture
palm readers
birth trauma therapists
appraisers
3.26.2007 6:55pm
scote (mail):
"Multiple Chemical Sensitivity" experts and other experts on imaginary causes of disease, like EMF.

Granted, chemicals can and do cause illness but MCS sufferers react only to chemicals they know or think they know are present and don't react to chemicals they are un-aware are present--even if those chemicals are ones they proclaim they are sensitive to. (This is a generalization but, I think, generally true :-) )
3.26.2007 6:56pm
Dick Schweitzer (mail):
Sticking to the request (not venting):

Disqualify:

Any person whose "expertise" is derived from government regulatory service, or from administrative functions under administrative laws.

A basic problem relates to judges being "experts" in determining the qualifications vel non of "experts."
3.26.2007 6:56pm
Houston Lawyer:
Aromatherapists
acupuncture
palm readers
birth trauma therapists
appraisers
3.26.2007 7:00pm
eeyn524:
Life Coach
3.26.2007 7:04pm
Bill Poser (mail) (www):
With regard to linguists as experts, I don't know the circumstances of the case in which word choice allegedly showed the speaker to be the guilty party, but there are many things on which linguists have legitimate expertise. There are also topics we don't know enough about to provide useful expert testimony, and there are topics that some people know enough about but not necessarily the people presented as experts. The term "linguist" includes not only people with scientific training in the study of language but people who are experts on some particular language (who may be useful as experts on the facts of that language but have no expertise on language and linguistic behavior in general) , literary people whose expertise on language in a scientific sense is usually very limited, and miscellaneous social scientists interested in topics having to do with language whose qualifications are enormously varied.

Topics on which I know of linguists giving what I consider to be valid expert testimony include: (a) debunking opposing "voiceprint" frauds; (b) establishing the territorial boundaries of aboriginal peoples on the basis of analysis of the surviving placenames; (c) testifying in trademark cases regarding the genericity of a term; (d) determining whether a criminal defendant understood sufficient English to have understood her Miranda rights and rights to refuse a search;
(e) evaluating the adequacy of interpretation at trial; (f) determining whether an immigrant with limited English understood a criminal proposal put to him by an undercover agent and whether his behavior and spoken responses constituted agreement. (g) determining the origin of the person on a tape recording from his speech;

It is also the case that not every linguist is qualified to address every topic. For example, only the minority of linguists with expertise in acoustic phonetics (along with other people with such expertise in fields such as electrical engineering and psychology) are qualified to testify on voiceprint identification.
3.26.2007 7:06pm
eeyn524:
There should maybe be another category for people who really are experts, but claim that their area covers much more than it really does, for example:

Doctors claiming their training makes their opinions on gun control or war somehow better informed.

Economists who believe economics explains all human behavior.

Patent Attorneys who believe they can add technical content to a patent (as opposed to improve how it is presented/claimed)
3.26.2007 7:11pm
T_C:
I would second Ex-Fed on cops as drug experts. I don't know if it fits into your project, but in my experience prosecutors love to put up a cop as an expert in drug distribution based on his police experience and police training. He then proceeds to describe what drug dealers are like, and *surprise* they are just like your client! Cheap profiling dressed up as expertise. While I'm ranting, do juries really need 'expert' help on drug crimes? In a recent jury trial I was involved in we voire dired the jury on past use of controlled dangerous substances. The pool was around 50% yes, and the panel we seated was about 1/3 past users, as I recall.
3.26.2007 7:22pm
Mac (mail):
Scote wrote,
"It's amazing how many people equate "natural" with "good" automatically. Well, disease is natural.
It's amazing how many people equate "natural" with "good" automatically. scote (mail):
"Multiple Chemical Sensitivity" experts and other experts on imaginary causes of disease, like EMF."

Granted, chemicals can and do cause illness but MCS sufferers react only to chemicals they know or think they know are present and don't react to chemicals they are un-aware are present--even if those chemicals are ones they proclaim they are sensitive to. (This is a generalization but, I think, generally true :-) )

You are quite right. There are mulitple studies in which these people are put into a room and when their "offending chemicals" are introduced without their knowledge, they have no reaction.
Also, in Canada, they built an appartment complex just for the chemically sensitive and went to great lengths to eliminate all allergens. It didn't work. The people complained just as much. Which is no surprise as it is in their heads. It was a waste of money. How does this happen? See what I wrote re pacebo eeffect above.
3.26.2007 7:24pm
Mac (mail):
Opps. I pasted the wrong quote above. Danged computers. It should read:

Scote wrote,
Multiple Chemical Sensitivity" experts and other experts on imaginary causes of disease, like EMF.

Granted, chemicals can and do cause illness but MCS sufferers react only to chemicals they know or think they know are present and don't react to chemicals they are un-aware are present--even if those chemicals are ones they proclaim they are sensitive to. (This is a generalization but, I think, generally true :-)

Sorry for the confusion.
3.26.2007 7:27pm
Mac (mail):
Maybe I better quit. I can't even spell oops.
3.26.2007 7:28pm
JBL:
Meteorologists. They're not in the spoon bender/flat earther category - they really are educated and do a scientific study of the weather and the various phenomena that affect it. That said, even with the best scientific tools we can only take a guess at the weather forecast. I would love to hear the following dialog:

Person: "What's the weather going to be like this week?"
Meterologist: "I don't know. I'm mostly just interested in the empirical analysis of thermodynamic systems."

But alas, most weather people are in the predicting business. The predictions can be useful, but they are on the edge of the area where people can claim special expertise.
3.26.2007 7:32pm
Gary Imhoff (mail) (www):
Nutritionists are at the top of my list, because nutrition is a field that shows promise of being a science some day, but currently is about as reliable as phrenology or astrology.

Climatologists are not quacks when they are modest and honest about being in the fledgling stages of beginning to understand some of the factors that affect climate; they are quacks when they claim to have clear crystal balls that are able to predict the future.
3.26.2007 7:34pm
Mac (mail):
This is undoubtedly too specialized, but if you think chiropractors who work on humans are bad, you should see the ones who work on horses! Utter quackery.
3.26.2007 7:38pm
PersonFromPorlock:
In muted defense of homeopaths, may I point out that when the government adopts a "no detectable level" standard for mutagens, it is effectively asserting that medicines in homeopathic dosages may be effective?
3.26.2007 7:40pm
John Kunze (mail):
The most damaging pretenders are the congressmen, lawyers, journalists, and social critics who comment on economic issues with no understanding of even basic economics.

They pollute the public discussion and rarely face any consequences.
3.26.2007 7:46pm
RMCACE (mail):
Who were those idiots that claimed to have cloned a human being? I forget their name, but it sounded like an alien race, like Romulans or something.

How about that idiot is Africa that has cured AIDS? No medical training, and the man has cured AIDS. Top notch.
3.26.2007 7:48pm
RMCACE (mail):
I just realized I passed a group of them on the metro today. Lyndon LaRouche and LaRouchePAC.
3.26.2007 7:50pm
Kat (www):
RMCACE: That would be the Raelians -- more kook than false expert, I think, if only because they have so little credibility...
3.26.2007 7:53pm
Blue:
"Cancer Cluster" analysis and "Gulf War Syndrome" experts.
3.26.2007 8:00pm
scote (mail):
Almost as important as the experts are the things we take for granted.

Eyewitness testimony is among the least reliable types of evidence and yet it is often the most convincing.

In this light I'll toss in the ring of experts we should listen to, such as those experts on eye witness testimony who's scientific studies show the unreliability and mutability of memory and recall. To this end, the fact that we still use line ups and photo line ups and drive by IDs is unconscionable. Once a witness thinks they've identified someone they start to incorporate the image of that person, retroactively, to fill in their memory of the original event. In some cases, victims of violent crime become so convinced of the new "memory" that they can be convinced of its falsity even when faced with incontrovertible proof of actual innocence.
3.26.2007 8:05pm
anon123443131 (mail):
Any lawyer who claims they know the law - i.e. to be able to predict how a judge would rule.
3.26.2007 8:07pm
Brett Bellmore:
"Collective right" 2nd amendment scholars. The whole field only exists because there's a gun control movement the 2nd amendment stands in the way of.
3.26.2007 8:18pm
Visitor Again:
"Experts" on future dangerousness in capital cases.

Bite-mark "experts."

Law enforcement "experts" who testify to various aspects of the behavior, methods and culture of criminals.

Psychiatrists and psychologists.
3.26.2007 8:43pm
Barbara Skolaut (mail):
Center for Science in the Public Interest (The Food Police)

Though I'd definitely put quotation marks/scare quotes around "Science" and "Public Interest," probably around "Center," and possibly even around "for," "in," and "the."
3.26.2007 8:46pm
anon123443131 (mail):
Anyone who predicts Bernstein's work will garner academic interest?
3.26.2007 8:52pm
Nony Mouse:
I once attended an extra-credit course for Chiropractors. About of a third of the way through the lecture was this exchange:
Instructor: If a man in your waiting room starts having chest pains, what type of adjustment should you do?
Class *looks startled*:
Instructor: It's called the nine one one reflex, and I suggest you never wait to use it. If someone in your waiting room asks about the ambulance or looks nervous, promise them that you will call help for them if THEY have a heart attack.
3.26.2007 9:00pm
happylee:
1. Social Scientists and anyone who works in "social services."

2. Appraisers.

btw, Homeopathy and Naturopathy are legitimate alternatives to Allopathic Medicine. Sure, mainstream folks like AMA and BigPharma want you to think that, say, heart disease is best treated with lots of drugs and surgery, but that doesn't make it so. Sheesh. Homepathic meds have worked for me, my family and my friends. Try it yourself before including it in some list.
3.26.2007 9:35pm
Harry Eagar (mail):
FBI profilers. I don't know if they ever testify in court, but they're paid expert money and they're bogus.

Animal mutilation (by aliens or satanists) experts.

Acupuncturists

Art appraisers

And here's a tough one: it appears to me that at least half the experts on autism are making it up as they go, but it's hard to tell which half. Facilitated communicators, definitely making it up.

Thanks to Sen. Dan Inouye, my taxes have paid close to $2M for 2 EPA studies of non-existent phenomena (1 algae bloom, 1 skin rash). There were a passel of Ph.D.s involved, and they were all phonies.
3.26.2007 9:43pm
Grumpy Old Man (mail) (www):
Psychoanalysts. No better than Scientologists. Really.

Child abuse "experts" who use leading questions and crackpot theories.
3.26.2007 9:44pm
DeezRightWingNutz:
I can't believe Houston Lawyer was the first to name appraisers over 50 cooments into the thread. I second that nomination, and I want to include the more highly trained, but equally suspect, "business valuation experts." They used sound concepts, like minority interst discouts, lack of marketability discounts, etc. etc. etc., but there is such a broad range to their many assumptions, in the end they still have to pull a number out of their bum.
3.26.2007 9:50pm
Mark Buehner (mail):

Homepathic meds have worked for me, my family and my friends. Try it yourself before including it in some list.


Translation- establish a personal level of anecdotal evidence before bowing to Big Pharma scams like the scientific method.
3.26.2007 10:11pm
2Ldtocare:
I'd say law professors who attempt to write policy articles in areas where they have no substantive education (other than an assundry seminar as an undergrad) rather than articles analyzing the law. Unfortunately, that's a majority of the profession. Worse yet, are those that cite them.
3.26.2007 10:15pm
conor:
Bracketologists. Sports analysts.
3.26.2007 10:17pm
scote (mail):
btw, Homeopathy and Naturopathy are legitimate alternatives to Allopathic Medicine. Sure, mainstream folks like AMA and BigPharma want you to think that, say, heart disease is best treated with lots of drugs and surgery, but that doesn't make it so. Sheesh.


Ha, it seems that Bernstein may have just found one of the experts he needs to talk to.

To quote the Journal of the American Medical Association :

"There is no alternative medicine. There is only scientifically proven, evidence-based medicine supported by solid data or unproven medicine, for which scientific evidence is lacking."

Homeopathy and Naturopathy are the latter.

Homepathic meds have worked for me, my family and my friends. Try it yourself before including it in some list.


Anecdotes are not evidence. And your belief in homeopathy working doesn't mean the homeopathy had anything to do with your perception of a cure. Many illnesses are self limiting and go away on their own. A cold will go away in 7 days without treatment but it goes away in only a week with homeopathic cures.

Science is about separating what seems to be true with what is true. You've fallen in to a perceptual illusion that makes it seem like homeopathy cures disease even though it does not. It is this kind of fact resistant thinking that creates the "experts" Bernstein is looking for and you are completely oblivious to the fact. For goodness sake, homeopathy comes from 3 centuries ago and its inventor, Samuel Hahnemann, thought the "Psora" (or the "Itch") was the root 7/8 of all disease!

Homeopathy was created before the germ theory of disease and antisepsis!!! Homeopathy was known as bunk even back in 1842, when Oliver Wendell Holmes presented his lecture "Homeopathy and Its Kindred Delusions." Homeopathy is no more true today and we have even less excuse for believing its preposterous claims.

Homeopathy is magical thinking. It is based on the idea that you cure disease by giving someone a drug that causes the same symptoms of the disease in a healthy person. Got an itch? Well then the cure may be taking a Poison Oak Pill. Vomiting? Sirup of Ipecac. If you think that might just make things worse, then you'd be right. Samuel Hahnemann had to invent a new addition to his theory to avoid making things worse, which is that the more something is diluted the more powerful it is! Today, many homeopathic remedies are so diluted that they contain ZERO molecules of the alleged "active" ingredient--and that is by design! Hahnemann's "Theory of Infinitesimals" wold suggest that distilled water is the most potent drug on earth.

Homeopathy is taking pretend pills like the kind kids might invent while playing. Homeopathy "drugs" are supposed to be powerful, yet curiously they have no side effects--apparently having the magical property of only doing good and never harm. Homeopathy is appealing because of its simplicity but fails because it is simplistic--well, and false.
3.26.2007 10:25pm
Constantin:
Critical theory professors.
3.26.2007 10:39pm
FantasiaWHT:
Seconding social workers/social sciences/social services... the amount of power weilded over people's lives by twits who spent college on their backs and graduated with a solid C average is appalling.
3.26.2007 10:40pm
PDXLawyer (mail):
Polygraphers.

Polygraphs have been in regular use for years to try to find spies in the various security branches. I can't think of a single instance in which a polygraph by itself (ie without other independently discovered evidence which would have been sufficient in itself) has ever caught one.
3.26.2007 10:45pm
Elliot123 (mail):
Journalists who pretend the other journalists they interview are experts on anything.
3.26.2007 10:49pm
neil k. (mail):
I vote for hack writers who engage in frivolous exercises designed solely to tar climate change scientists and genuine quacks with the same brush.
3.26.2007 11:00pm
Ella:
I'm curious as to why social workers are getting a bum rap here. I work with many social workers and for me, it depends on the type of social worker and what they're doing. A Licensed Clinical Social Worker is typically pretty well qualified to assess and treat mild to moderate mental health conditions. Licensed Social Workers who work in education or health care case management are generally well qualfied to arrange services, broker relationships between clients and various service providers, etc. (i.e., do their jobs). I've certainly met idiot Social Workers who are either a) not licensed at all, b) hold themselves out as experts in clinical issues when they aren't licensed as clinical social workers, c) hold themselves out as experts in areas in which they do not work, or, of course, d) are just plain incompetent. However, I don't see how this is an indictment of Social Work as a profession.

The basic questions to ask when dealing with anyone claiming to be an expert are 1) what are they qualified to do; 2) what are they actually doing or claiming to do; and 3) if they are giving their opinion, what method did they use to arrive at that opinion. A licensed clinical social worker is qualified to diagnose someone with depression, based on his reported symptoms and demeanor. SHe has stepped out of the realm of her expertise if she assesses him as needing 50 mg of Effexor to treat the depression. She has stepped outside the realm of valid diagnostic methods if she goes on to opine that his depression is caused by repressed memories of abuse or (even worse) birth trauma. Do some social workers do this? Of course. Do some doctors also do this? Again, of course. But no one has said all doctors are "fake" experts or that medicine is a "fake" field.
3.26.2007 11:12pm
Jeremy Pierce (mail) (www):
How about some of the fringe radical types who get passed off as serious biblical scholars and so on in these Discovery Channel and History Channel specials on the Bible or the ancient world?
3.26.2007 11:15pm
Mac (mail):
I was going to add †he IRS, but reealized that I can't as they flat out tell you that you can'† use doing what they tøld you to do as a defense in court. I guess, you could call them honest quacks who make no pretense to special expertise. Now, exactly why we, as taxpayers, pay them to give advise that one can't rely on may be another matter entirely.
3.26.2007 11:26pm
Mac (mail):
Ah! advice.
3.26.2007 11:26pm
ReaderY:
Supreme Court Justices who know it when they see it?
3.26.2007 11:48pm
happylee:
I'm offtopic and must therefore keep this short: Mark Buehner is a funny fellow, but I ask in response whether it is better to trust one's own experiences or the pronouncements of others? I started down the homeo path years ago when a friend and I both started having reflux. He went mainstream and Pfizer is living well of his choice. (BigPharma's key to monster cashflow is finding and peddling drugs that don't cure but create lifetime symptom suppression.) I at first followed that route and then went homeo and was cured. Further experience with other health issues for me and my family has been just as positive. Should I ignore my own experience, a finer and more personal form of EXPRERIMENT, or should I rely on that merry bunch of folks in the Iron Triangle of medical research - big pharma - big government?

Oh, and anecdotes are evidence. They are simply one form of evidence that is arguably less persuasive than 100,000 anecdotes statistically worked over into a conclusion that pleases the researchers.
3.27.2007 12:07am
Brian G (mail) (www):
I work at a civil defense firm. How about I forward you the deposition testimony of just about every expert I have come across? That should give you enough material for a year or so. My favorite is the "expert" on the effect of the lack of warning labels a Plaintiff used in an automobile accident case. According to him, because the intersection did not adequately warn motorists that traffic would cross in front of them when the light was red, and because the interior of the automobile did not contain warning stickers that adequately warned the operator of an automobile that the failure to apply the brakes in the face of oncoming traffic, Plaintiff could not be considered contributorily negligent for running the red light in his "expert opinion." Anyone involved in civil defense knows this happens all the time, and most everyone here could probably come up with an example even more sillier that this one.
3.27.2007 12:10am
Frank_B:
"'Multiple Chemical Sensitivity' experts and other experts on imaginary causes of disease, like EMF." - scote 3.26.2007 5:56pm

He has those partially listed: "clinical ecologists." Like homeopaths, I think these guys have the potential to sound impressive to juries and press. They have their own journals, use statistics and jargon that looks legitimate to the uninitiated, and mainstream articles discrediting them take the form of pointed editorials or dense medical articles that soberly conclude the effects are psychological. These "experts" probably win against their critics in many forums.

I'm actually curious about the success rates of all of these groups--whether victory is defined by the overall tone of a journalistic piece or by a jury verdicts.

How about:
9-11 conspiracy theorists (some positive noise in press).
3.27.2007 12:13am
Brian G (mail) (www):
One more example to share. An "expert" on "elder health" once said that a woman's medical condition could not have been caused by her lack of estrogen in certain areas and there was no evidence that would suggest to him that the decedent was post-menopausal. The decedent was 91 years old.

You can get an expert to tell you that there is no evidence proving or indicating that Julius Casear is actually dead if you pay him or her $400 an hour.
3.27.2007 12:14am
Brian G (mail) (www):
OK, just one more. We deposed an "expert" who billed himself as an "accident reconstructionist." He said that his investigation concluded that Defendant was cause of the accident, and not the Plaintiff. Here is a summary of his analysis. (If I was at the office, I'd write it word for word)

"In reaching this conclusion, I give no weight to the testimony and statements of [named eyewitnesses]. Witness are often incorrect as to what they witness when a traumautic accident happens, and the trauma tends to make witnesses think they saw something they did not. Instead, according to my calculations of the tire tread marks (taken about 6 months after the accident!), the trajectory of the Defendant's vehicle in relation to the Plaintiff's vehicle as diagrammed in the police report, the directional angle of the sun at that time of day, the Plaintiff's deposition, and the deposition testimony of [ambulance driver who testifed to what the Plaintiff told him], it is clear that Defendant was the sole cause of the accident."

At the settlement conference, the federal judge told Plaintiff's counsel that if we were to file a Daubert motion, all we would have to do is write that Defendant moves to exclude and attach his report and it would be granted. And, if that is all he had to show liability on behalf the Plaintiff, he'd better settle for whatever he can get that day because Plaintiff would get nothing, either on an MSJ or at trial.

Plaintiff initially demanded the policy limits of $500,000. He got $6,000, only for nuisance value. Wonder how much of that went to this "expert."
3.27.2007 12:26am
Mark Buehner (mail):

Mark Buehner is a funny fellow, but I ask in response whether it is better to trust one's own experiences or the pronouncements of others?


Neither. I'll go with reproduceable experiment verified by experts in the field via peer reviewed studies. If anything homeopathy has to offer can stand up to double blind experiment, awesome, its science. If it can't, its junk. Simple as that.

And btw, James Randi sponsors a 1 million dollar prize to anyone who can prove homeopathy (or any paranormal claim) under double blind controlled conditions. Seems like easy money if it can do what its supposed to, right?
3.27.2007 12:49am
Peter B. Nordberg (mail) (www):
I don't sense that the courts are overrun with homeopathic or chiropractic testimony. Testimony on future dangerousness would top my list. Rampant, yet highly dubious.
3.27.2007 1:53am
Nick H.:
Sportswriters who play psychologist.

Hi, I recieved a BA in journalism from a Big Ten college. Prior to this job, I covered high school girls basketball for the Chicago Sun-Times. Let me tell you why Peyton Manning isn't "clutch" and Tom Brady is a "winner".

When we're done, I'm going to explain how "playing the game the right way" and "hustling" will help you magically "develop the reflexes necessary to hit the curveball". Even though I've never met him outside of press conferences, you can take my word that I know exactly what is going through Kerry Wood's head, and whether or not he is sufficiently confident.
3.27.2007 2:47am
scote (mail):
OT:

happylee writes:
Should I ignore my own experience, a finer and more personal form of EXPRERIMENT...?

Well, if you are the sort of person who jumps to conclusions of causality then yes, you should ignore your own experience. A more "personal" experiment is not a more valid experiment and in your case is clearly the opposite. A "personal" experiment is not a substitute for a proper controlled scientific experiment which takes into account the psychological traps of judgement and perception we can fall into.

and anecdotes are evidence. They are simply one form of evidence that is arguably less persuasive than 100,000 anecdotes statistically worked over into a conclusion that pleases the researchers.


Well, you a little right and very wrong. Anecdotes are stories. The refrain "Anecdotes are not evidence" is shorthand for "Anecdotes are not valid scientific evidence," so while you can claim they are "evidence" they are only evidence that you are telling a story which you claim to be true. They are still not valid scientifically.

As to your second point, a rigorous placebo controlled clinical study is not an anecdote x 100,000. That you don't see that explains why you so firmly believe in a Regency Era school of medicine which doesn't accept that germs cause disease! Such views were known to be hokum in the Early Victorian Era! However, your firmness of belief in the face of scientific evidence to the contrary is sound example of the kind of fact-resistant wishful thinking that leads to the phony kind of expertise that is the subject of this thread.
3.27.2007 3:20am
Edward Sodaro MD (mail):
I am a university affiliated forensic psychiatrist. I assure you that psychiatrists (or psychologists, social workers, etc) can accurately predict future dangerousness to self or others, no better than your five year-old daughter or a Magic Eight Ball toy.

However, our corrupt civil courts routinely hang psychiatrists for failing to predict violence or suicide in patients. There are plenty of dubious expert witnesses paid to testify against the physicians in question. Daubert be damned.

The end result is that many psychiatists avoid really sick patients as a defensive medical practice strategy.
3.27.2007 3:30am
advisory opinion:
3.27.2007 3:32am
George Weiss (mail):
police sketch artists ;)
3.27.2007 4:27am
AlanDownunder (mail):
Google "Dr. Sutisno" within www.austlii.edu.au
3.27.2007 5:28am
Public_Defender (mail):
Child sexual abuse experts. Some prosecutors will have a doctor interview an alleged victim, and based solely on the interview, put the doctor on the stand to say, "Yep, the prosecutor is right, this child was sexually abused." No analysis. So studies. No science. Just bolstering.

I have no objection to doctors who offer true expert advice--i.e., who show real science to back up their conclusions. But some trial courts appear to apply a child sexual exception to pretty much every rule, statute, and constitutional provision.
3.27.2007 6:34am
Public_Defender (mail):
Child sexual abuse experts. Some prosecutors will have a doctor interview an alleged victim, and based solely on the interview, put the doctor on the stand to say, "Yep, the prosecutor is right, this child was sexually abused." No analysis. So studies. No science. Just bolstering.

I have no objection to doctors who offer true expert advice--i.e., who show real science to back up their conclusions. But some trial courts appear to apply a child sexual exception to pretty much every rule, statute, and constitutional provision.
3.27.2007 6:34am
Public_Defender (mail):
Field sobriety tests. They are standardized in the lab, but then given in conditions in which they have not been tested--outside, wind, cold, flashing lights, night, etc. Call any good DUI lawyer (I am not one), and they will give you a litany of junk science that is routinely allowed in drunk driving cases.

Cops are often treated as "experts" in things like gang activity, criminal activity, etc. Their opinions and hunches may be based on solid personal experience, but there is a big difference between personal experience and science.
3.27.2007 6:39am
another suggestion (mail):
I haven't had time to read all of the comments above, so I apologize if this has already been suggested.
I think you should spend some time asking whether "criminal profilers" are legitimate experts, based on actual cases. For example, now we know who the "Unabomber" was. It would be very interesting to look at all of the profiles made of who he was expected to be, and see how accurate they were. (I don't mean guesses by media experts, I mean actual, professional profilers who were paid by the FBI, by the police, by governmental agencies, etc., to actually come up with a profile of the Unabomber.) It could be that they were extremely accurate, or wide off the mark, or a combination of the above. But that would be a very informative study, and would be beneficial both to law enforcement, and to those involved in the criminal justice system (prosecutors, defense attorneys, judges, etc.). Perhaps an objective, unbiased study has already been done, but I'm not aware of one.
I suggest the Unabomber as an example only because it's a significant and well-known case, and there were probably a lot of experts working on his profile over the years. But there are no doubt hundreds if not thousands of less well known cases that could be researched, with a retrospective look at accuracy once the real criminals were known. (This would also require certainty that the convicted criminal was actually guilty.) A study could also be made about which (if any) profiling techniques were most effective.
I would really like to see this done, if not by you, then by someone. This may be too large a topic to merely be one example of possibly "phony" experts, and I think it's possible that while some profilers could be considered "phonies," others are legitimate professionals worth listening to. I honestly don't know enough to have an informed opinion, but such a research project would have a significant impact on criminal justice matters.
3.27.2007 10:06am
A.C.:
Going outside the courtroom context, I think most career counseling services are bunk. Or, rather, they are based on stereotyping and easy answers.

The person whose dominant skills, deepest passion, and current job all line up won't be at the career counselor in the first place. The person who goes looking for advice is the one whose dominant skills are verbal, deepest passion is musical, and current job is as an accounting clerk. I have yet to meet the career counselor who knows how to advise that person.

This may be a subset of the "life coach" group that has already been mentioned, but I choose to highlight it because the name itself doesn't serve to warn people off.
3.27.2007 10:37am
Adeez (mail):
"9-11 conspiracy theorists"

Hey Frank B: actually, those you cite do not claim to be expert at what happened on 9/11. Rather, they simply point out the many, many holes in the "official" story: itself a "conspiracy theory." Since you seem to know exactly what happened, please enlighten us.

I nominate all the PNAC-like "think tanks" who predict, for example, that the Iraqis would greet us with flowers and candy. They're apparently considered expert enough to have the ears of some of the most powerful people on earth.
3.27.2007 10:54am
Snacktime (mail):
It's depressing (and revealing) how many people proposed Al Gore or those who say global warming is really happening.

What the fuck? I continue to be completely baffled by people's resistance to science endorsed by every major relevant scientific organization around the world.
3.27.2007 10:59am
Snacktime (mail):
Also, I propose whoever wrote that preposterous book "The Secret" and all the people running around endorsing it.
3.27.2007 11:01am
Disgusted Beyond Belief (mail) (www):
I nominante any religious figure used as an expert on ethics - as if being ordained in a religion makes you any more an expert on ethics than the local garbage man. It annoys me so much to see the priests and imans brought in whenever there is an ethics or morality issue, as if being religious gives one any expertise in that area. It doesn't.
3.27.2007 11:05am
J. F. Thomas (mail):
Global warming denialists
3.27.2007 11:06am
J. F. Thomas (mail):
Anyone who writes one of those skinny management books with large type and big margins with a pithy title like "Seven Skills of Highly Effective People", "Who
Cut the
Moved My Cheese".
3.27.2007 11:09am
plunge (mail):
Gregg Easterbrook is a sportswriter who regularly features himself as a commentator on scientific issues he clearly never bothered to learn more about than what he was taught decades ago in high school.
3.27.2007 11:30am
Mike Keenan:
People who can describe the 10 different nuances in a taste of wine: "full of rich pecan notes with a hint of tobacco and licorice -- and could that be some lemongrass etching. Best served with braised pork."

I suppose some "true" experts can pass a blind taste test, but not many.
3.27.2007 11:33am
No Account Lurker:
How about business process patent examiners?

IP infringement "experts" who don't know the case law reagrding similarity tests?(See SCO vs IBM)
3.27.2007 11:46am
James Fulford (mail):
Check out Coping with Psychiatric and Psychological Testimony, by Jay Ziskin, for psychiatric testimony generally, not just in "future dangerousness" cases.

I'd like to add a vote for polygraph tests, and voice stress analysis. Neither of them works.

And see Jerry Pournelle's The Voodoo Sciences, [1988] for a discussion of whether economics is a science or not.


During the Reagan Years we heard a lot about “voodoo economics.” The term was usually employed by Democrats in reference to President Reagan’s economic policies, but I’ve also heard professional economists use the term “voodoo economics” in a way that implies there is a real science of economics in contrast to “Reaganomics.”

Certainly the official policy is that economics is a science. We have by law a Council of Economic Advisors to report to the president, while the Congress has its own staff of economists to tell them what they should do.

From all the evidence I’ve seen, we’d do as well to give the president a Council of Voodoo Practitioners, and let the Congress consult its Chief Astrologer.


3.27.2007 11:54am
Mike Walker:
1) Anti-vaccine activists. They are literally putting millions of children at risk of serious injury and death. The attempt to link autism with the MMR vaccine is just the most mainstream case, but they are successfully sowing a seed of doubt which is resulting in many more parents refusing to have their kids vaccinated at all.

2) Financial analysts who do technical analysis. They have a language all of their own that sounds impressive to the layman but their results are extremely weak, at best. Through outlets like CNBC and the WSJ they are able to deliver their bunk on a daily basis.

3) Mutual fund advisers. Raking in huge commissions from the oblivious public who are completely unaware that low commission index funds will outperform any actively managed fund their adviser will recommended at least 80% of the time.
3.27.2007 11:59am
Abandon:
Anyone remembers the so-called experts on Iraqi WMDs?
3.27.2007 12:20pm
great link (mail):
Mr. Fulford,
Thanks for the link to the article by Pournelle. I've now been reading his other articles and posts for a half-hour, and I'll probably spend the rest of my "down time" during the day reading more. It's a gold mine there.
3.27.2007 12:35pm
Bob Van Burkleo (mail):

I don't sense that the courts are overrun with homeopathic or chiropractic testimony.
The would be if they didn't settle their malpractice suits just before trial. ;)

(some day I'll tell you about my run in with a chiropractor and the resultant 3 vertebra cervical fusion...)
3.27.2007 12:51pm
WHOI Jacket:
Yeah, I did consider the Clinton administration dubious at best....

And I'd say that priests/rabbis/inmans are well qualified to talk about ethics, being that religion deals heavily with morals and ethics (and yes, I'm aware of the difference between the two).
3.27.2007 1:02pm
Dr Obvious (mail) (www):
Guidance Councilors. Yeah, like I want career advice from someone with the foresight and career planning skills to land a sweet job like being a Guidance Councilor.
3.27.2007 1:11pm
Daniel Weber (mail):
Not sure how it relates, but it reminds me of this NYT article about how lawyers manufactured expert data:


It seems that when you give some doctors a chest X-ray, whether they say "this patient has silicosis" or "this patient has asbestos poisoning" depends on what the lawyers paying for the diagnosis are looking for.


link
3.27.2007 1:30pm
WHOI Jacket:
Dr. Obvious,

Well, in defense of guidence counslers (my grandmother was one later in life), teenagers need all the help they can get.
3.27.2007 1:44pm
happylee:
Dr. Obvious is brilliant. I can't stop laughing.

And to join the fun, I say Dr. Bernstein should add to his list Manmade Global Warming "experts" who claim that evil mankind is locked in a war with the environment, bla bla. (Reminiscent of evil capitalists at war with virtuous proles, bla bla -- hey, maybe that's why the modern manmade hotglobo movement is run by a bunch of marxoid rejects...hmmm.)
3.27.2007 1:45pm
Nikki:
In addition to the sports predictors listed, I'd like to add Mel Kuyper (sp?) Jr. and others who claim to be able to predict sports draft order.
3.27.2007 2:03pm
Bleepless (mail):
Check out Quackwatch, the James Randi Educational Foundation, CSICOP and the False Memory Syndrome Foundation.
3.27.2007 2:12pm
GKW (mail):
experts on international law. It is tough to be an expert in a subject that doesn't exist. :)
3.27.2007 2:13pm
William Oliver (mail) (www):
It's interesting, reading this list, to see the standards that people set. All disciplines that involve making predictions involve error, yet it seems that the criteria seen here is that any error makes something a pseudoscience. Thus, for instance, because meteorologists are imperfect at making predictions, they are fakers. Because profilers are imperfect in their statements, nothing they say can be trusted.

This reminds me of a conversation I once had with a patient about cigarette smoking and lung cancer. I told him that he should stop smoking because it was damaging his lungs (he already had moderate lung disease) and his risk factors (family, smoking level, etc) suggested that he was a prime candidate for smoking related lung cancer or heart attack. His response was to ask me if I could tell him with certainty that he was going to get lung cancer. I told him no. He said "See, you don't know nothing." And, in fact, he didn't die of lung cancer or heart attack. He died of pneumonia secondary to his COPD.

There are still folk out there who claim that nobody can "prove" that smoking causes lung cancer, and that all of medicine is pseudoscience in this area.

Well, in fact I do know something. And the fact that my prediction was inaccurate doesn't mean that I can't accurately state the increased odds of something happening or make statements about causation.

If a good meterologist tells me it's going to rain tomorrow, I'll carry an umbrella. I'm not going to claim that it's just pseudoscience and be surprised when I get wet. If a cop friend of mine comes to me and says "Don't trust that guy. He's ringing all my bells as a con artist," I'm going to be very careful in my dealings with the man. I'm not going to say that the cop's 25 years of street experience is meaningless and then be surprised when my bank account gets cleaned out.

The problem is that expectations for a lot of these things -- forensic psychiatry, profiling, etc. -- are simply too high. It's not a matter of being 100% right versus being fake. The problem is often not with the discipline, it seems to me. The problem is with what people demand from it and how it is represented.
3.27.2007 2:29pm
speedwell (mail):
Temp agencies who claim to be experts in the market and who say they can put you to work right away, when all they do is gather resumes and sit on them. They advertise nonexistent positions or positions that they have already filled, confidently promise that they can put you to work "as much as you want," and claim that they have benefits available when they're only available to people who work an impossible number of hours that they're careful not to give anyone.
3.27.2007 3:15pm
speedwell (mail):
And (blowing my cover; this is what I do for a living) most help desk support specialists. :D
3.27.2007 3:17pm
chnnnvss:
any actor who becomes an "expert" based on a character they played in a movie
3.27.2007 3:23pm
John D (mail):
Paul Cameron and the rest of the "gay people are sick" and "we can make gay people straight" crowd.

HIV-denialists.
3.27.2007 3:32pm
RJL (mail):
I have to second "accident reconstructionists." I have a case right now (an appeal) in which the "expert" testified that he could tell how fast the car was traveling within 1-2 mph based on the degree of incursion a pedestrian's body made into the sheetmetal. His report makes no reference whatsoever to the stiffness of the car or the thickness of the sheetmetal and uni-body frame (cars use different amounts and types of material). There was no eyewitness testimony. Client is serving mucho time as a result.
3.27.2007 3:45pm
Eric Blair (mail):
How about actors/actresses/musicians who get to 'testify' before congress? Anybody remember the Meyrl Streep and the ALAR scare?
3.27.2007 3:58pm
kldimond:
Geez, DB,

What category for expertise doesn't have its charlatans? And it doesn't require being an attorney to know that every case that relies on any expertise is heavily based on "Our scientists are better than your scientists." Even the case development itself is based on an expertise (one hopes they find the expert case builder) that includes an expertise in the incompetence of experts, judges, opposing attorneys, juries and legislation.

But if you're looking for categories in which charlatans seem to prevail, or in which the entire category seems either built on a foundation of nonsense or polluted by corruption or folly, well...

Again I say, name a category!

My personal "love to hate them" categories are:

Anyone at Violence Policy Center, Brady Campaign, (Whoever) Against Gun Violence, and all of that ilk. They don't mind lying or spreading the most ridiculous of claims in support of their cause. Associated with that is any expert who believes in compromise as a noble solution.

A certain class of justices, judges and commissioners (oh, let's throw in politicians and activists) who think we need to be "in step" with the world. The U.S. was built on certain principles that were "out of step" with the rest of the world. We don't need to be out of step for its own sake, but we should never be afraid of it, either.

Scientists who claim to understand global warming and claim "it's the humans, dammit!" I think the theory related to solar activity, recently released on BBC, is sensible. But of course the U.N. has its cabal of experts (haha) that "know" better.

And while we're at it, the U.N.

As I said, though, I've had fun looking at the mischigas of every group from teachers to architects, to attorneys, psychologists, psychiatrists and other "social" and behavioral scientists (economists and criminologists among them), historians (can you say, Bellesiles, Neighbor?), business and management consultants...

Sigh. It's a sick world, folks. Schmexperts abound.
3.27.2007 4:09pm
Kelvin McCabe (mail):
Scientists who testified before the FDA regarding cigarrette smoking for the last 50 yrs (and all big tobacco scientists who claim to have proven how safe cigarretes are and who still claim nicotine is not addicting)

All DEA field agents who testify in court regarding suspicious activity of drug defendants - "talking on cell phone", "meeting unknown hispanic male at restaurant for lunch" "looked both ways on street when entering vehicle, possible counter-surveillance" bla bla bla

WHile were at it, K-9 drug cops, who claim that the dog alerted to some area or another on the car after encouragement from the handler and who never seem to have data on the number of false positives or mistakes made by the dog, which are considered to be infallable.

Anybody conducting research on the dangers of marijuana on behalf of the federal government.
3.27.2007 4:13pm
David in NY (mail):
Handwriting analysts: not science. And last I knew, they wouldn't allow their accuracy to be tested.

You might look at the Innocence Project's account of exonerations of those wrongly found guilty and often sentenced to death. As I recall, many convictions were based on fake expertise. Of course, there's the Dr. Death types, experts on "future dangerousness," who have infested the system in Texas.
3.27.2007 4:23pm
Kevin P. (mail):
J.F. Thomas
3.27.2007 4:23pm
bk (mail):
Employment psych test companies.They adminster psychiatric tests to prospective employees which they claim better assesses the appropriateness of the testee for the job than that person's experience, resume, and reccomendations. The validity and reliability of thse tests is non-existent outside of the instances of folks so loony they have no prayer of hiding their unsuitability anyway. These tests are largely a waste of money and time except for their utility when HR needs to cover their @sses.

But they are de rigeur, and locked in. No HR profession dares do without them. Just thinking about it, they feel a cool breeze in their hind quarters.
3.27.2007 4:29pm
David in NY (mail):
And boy, the percentage of global warming skeptics on this thread is astonishing. If it were my blog, I'd begin to worry that so many of my readers had the firm belief that the 1.5 billion tons of carbon dioxide released into the atmosphere per year by automobiles alone, plus the remainder emitted by power plants etc., had no effect on the climate. Dangerous thinking, I'd say.
3.27.2007 4:37pm
RGT:
another suggestion (9:06am):

Remember the profile of the Beltway Sniper?
3.27.2007 4:40pm
David in NY (mail):
Regarding the global warming skepticism, and the numbers here who profess it:

"Looking at the Republican side of the aisle, Jonathan Chait points out (via Matthew Yglesias), that even as scientific evidence on global warming has become overwhelming and most of the oil industry has ceased to promote delusional thinking on this issue, the same thinking has hardened within the Congressional Republican party, to the point where Republican members of Congress who are qualified scientists (amazingly, there are some) are barred from sitting on committees where they might disrupt the anti-science orthodoxy. The position of rightwing blogs is even worse, with a recent survey 59-0 score in favour of the delusional position."

From John Quiqqin's analysis at crookedtimber.com of the "alternative reality" created by the 25-30% minority of the country cloistered in the diminishing right wing.
3.27.2007 4:48pm
Frank_B:
Hey Frank B: actually, those you cite do not claim to be expert at what happened on 9/11. Rather, they simply point out the many, many holes in the "official" story: itself a "conspiracy theory." Since you seem to know exactly what happened, please enlighten us. 3.27.2007 9:54am

Nonsense. If these people didn't have definite theories about what happened, they wouldn't idly tell the press that it was, say, a termite demolition like ex-BYU professor Jones does.

I'll tell you what happened on 9-11: several planes collided with several buildings, two of which were subsequently destroyed by the damage of these collisions. It might be that there was some grander conniving government conspiracy, but any theory that starts out by denying these simple events (like almost the whole "truth" movement does) is on scientifically unsupportable ground. 9-11 conspiracy theory experts thrive because the average person does not know what engineers have known for a hundred years--that fire alone can destroy a steel-frames skyscraper. That's why the beams are insulated in the first place. When good evidence shows that the insulation didn't cling during the collision, and when even better evidence shows God damned planes colliding with them and instantaneously spreading a fire across several stories, only a phony expert would insist that the government must have blown them up.

Like the homeopathic medicine believer, your post just illustrates how these experts have the command of popular attention. I don't blame you though; the Bush years have been wretched.

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Mike Walker has a really good one with anti-vaccine "experts." Like environmental ecologists, they're driving litigation and leading people into questionable behavior. Probably an even more timely example: the anti-vaccine movement has yet to peak, I think.
3.27.2007 5:29pm
throop:
In Munchausen syndrome, a patient sickens or wounds himself to gain attention. In Munchausen syndrome by proxy (MSBP) a caretaker sickens a vulnerable patient, usually a child, to gain sympathy. While there have been a few very well documented cases, there also was an explosion of cases where the parents (usually mothers) of sick children were falsely accused of MSBP. 'Experts' in several countries gave dubious testimony and caused a large group of parents to lose custody of their children. See, e.g. the MSBP site for details.
3.27.2007 6:48pm
Colin (mail):
the anti-vaccine movement has yet to peak, I think

I very sincerely hope that you're wrong on this. In all other respects, that was quite a nice comment.
3.27.2007 6:55pm
Mac (mail):
William Oliver wrote,

And, in fact, he didn't die of lung cancer or heart attack. He died of pneumonia secondary to his COPD.

Just curious, but how old was he when he died?
3.27.2007 7:05pm
Harry Eagar (mail):
another suggestion, I don't know what the profile of the Unabomber was, but the FBI profile of the Green River Killer was all wrong.

I believe the profile of the Atlanta boy killer was wrong as well.

In fact, profilers always conclude that the offender must be a white man in his 30s with low social skills and few friends.

As for lie detectors, a new book about the unmasking of Ana Montes, the Cuban spy, not that she passed 2 polygraphs.

We warming skeptics do have one point in our favor: nobody has any idea what the globe's temperature was a century ago, so nobody knows whether it's warmer now or not.
3.27.2007 8:02pm
cbutterb (mail):
Cultural studies professors who condemn science without knowing any science or any logic. They think on the level of a stoned freshman in an all-night bull session ("Dude! If people who thought the earth was flat were wrong, then maybe, like, our paradigm is totally wrong too! Whooah!"), then flail their untrained epistemological appendages in front of ignorant undergrads who are have to take humanities classes to graduate.

They think they they're the first ones to have thought of skepticism, in much the same way that thirteen-year-old boys think they're the first ones to have thought of sex.

One of mine assigned a comic-book primer (literally, it was a comic book about feminist theory and Foucault and such) as required reading. (He also thought the Russians had gone to the moon, yet was in charge of teaching a class in which foreign films were to be placed in historical perspective.) The other believes in chi, yet lectures me about the nature of objective scientific knowledge.

Read Gross and Levitt's Higher Superstition for a good overview.
3.27.2007 10:00pm
cbutterb (mail):
Oh, a couple other suggestions: Global-warming deniers who know better than actual climate scientists because, you know, they have a blog.

And chiropractors.
3.27.2007 10:05pm
Waldensian (mail):
Toxicology is not a bogus science. But if you want to find bogus experts, check out any plaintiff's expert toxicologist.

Trust me on this. You will not be disappointed in your search. At least I haven't been, so far.
3.27.2007 10:44pm
ngh:
The key places to look are fields in which successful results bring praise and acclaim, while unsuccessful results are simply ignored and allowed to fall by the wayside. Fields in which that is true allow "experts" to essentially take the random guess approach - nobody will care about the 99 times they're wrong, and the 1 time they're right they can leverage that into news conferences, books, papers, and attention in general. Basically, all those fields where you don't have to be upfront about your actual success rate, and have the freedom to toot your own horn about your successes.

So pretty much anyone who makes social predictions for public consumption is a good start - especially TV talking heads and column/opinion writers. This should include political analysts, economic analysts, social trend analysts, etc. I doubt many of them have a success rate distinguishable from that achievable by the combination of basic knowledge of the subject and guessing.

The opinions of these people are widely cited and often trated as serious analysis, generally without any accompanying context of how good the analyst actually is. The only context ever provided is "this analyst got X right," which really tells us nothing but is meant to boost the analyst. What would really be informative is something like "We looked at the sample ofpredictions made by this analyst from 2000-2005, and x% were correct, y% were incorrect, and z% are still inconclusive." But of course, nobody ever does that.
3.27.2007 11:49pm
William Oliver (mail) (www):
Just curious, but how old was he when he died?


I don't remember exactly -- it was in his late 60s/early70s.
3.28.2007 12:16am
Frank_B:
the anti-vaccine movement has yet to peak, I think
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I very sincerely hope that you're wrong on this. In all other respects, that was quite a nice comment.


I hope I'm wrong too, it's just my own impression. I wanted to check my gut instincts, so I ran some lexis-nexis news searches. This is imperfect because the database has picked up more feeds in the last few years, biasing it forward, but I thought a comparison to "Multiple Chemical Sensitivity" would be fruitful. It seems to confirm my impression that MCS coverage has stabilized or declined while the vaccination scares are still relatively potent (at least in the US).

_______ MCS _ Vac _ VacUS _VaccineUK
2006-2008 | 231 | 2149 | 531 | 487
_Projected |~370 |~3400 |~850 |~780
2004-2006 | 475 | 3395 | 856 | 1473
2002-2004 | 435 | 4617 | 743 | 2782
2000-2002 | 472 | 2397 | 417 | 1465
Grr. Doesn't allow "code" tag.
The figures represent article results for "multiple chemical sensitivity" (a search which picks up several variants). The vaccination scare is harder to search, so I just used "vaccine /s autism" which is the most prominent alleged link. It seems that this was a big story in the Commonwealth countries before it was in the US. There's obviously no significance to numerical difference between columns, just the trends each shows. Databases All News, US Newspapers and Wires, and UK Publications.

In Britain at least, the alleged vaccine-autism link has long-since peaked, and the worst may behind us here too.
3.28.2007 1:11am
Kristjan Wager (mail) (www):
Bjørn Lomborg? You might agree or disagree with his general stance, but he misuses the science he sites, interpreting it in ways that it cannot be interpreted (according to the scientists who did the science).
And he keeps getting called a statistician, which he is not. He is a social scientist, who have taught social science students statistics at the University of Århus. There is quite a difference in the educations to become statisticians and social scientists in Denmark (for example, the first have a heavy emphasis on math).

Another group, which might not be taken too seriously in the US, but which have had quite a big influence, is AIDS deniers like Peter Duesberg.
3.28.2007 5:50am
Jason Spaceman (mail):
Wilson Key, a 'subliminal message expert', who did pre-trial testimony for the plaintiffs at the Judas Priest trial back in 1990. According to a Skeptical Inquirer article Key pretty much destroyed his own credibility:

It is possible that he undermined his own credibility with the court by opining that subliminal messages could be found on Ritz crackers, the Sistine Chapel, Sears catalogues, and the NBC evening news. He also asserted that "science is pretty much what you can get away with at any point in time."


There was a documentary made about the Judas Priest trial called Dream Deceivers in case anybody is interested.
3.28.2007 10:36am
Jason Spaceman (mail):
Oh, and I almost forgot about Judith Reisman, anti-Kinsey activist who claims that the brain produces 'erototoxins' during the viewing of porn.
3.28.2007 11:17am
Fub:
Ex-Fed wrote at 3.26.2007 5:54pm:
I should add law enforcement "experts" on particular kinds of crime, particularly DEA experts. Most of their stuff seems to be generalizing from their own experience, agreeing that any practice identified by the prosecutor is consistent with drug dealing, and toeing the DEA official position that, for instance, there is no such thing as a blind mule.
T_C wroteat 3.26.2007 6:22pm:
I would second Ex-Fed on cops as drug experts. I don't know if it fits into your project, but in my experience prosecutors love to put up a cop as an expert in drug distribution based on his police experience and police training. He then proceeds to describe what drug dealers are like, and *surprise* they are just like your client! Cheap profiling dressed up as expertise.
Public_Defender wrote at 3.27.2007 5:34am:
Child sexual abuse experts. Some prosecutors will have a doctor interview an alleged victim, and based solely on the interview, put the doctor on the stand to say, "Yep, the prosecutor is right, this child was sexually abused." No analysis. So studies. No science. Just bolstering.

I have no objection to doctors who offer true expert advice--i.e., who show real science to back up their conclusions. But some trial courts appear to apply a child sexual exception to pretty much every rule, statute, and constitutional provision.
In counties I'm familiar with, according to cops and other prosecution "experts" that judges always seem to believe, every youth is a gang member (especially if they're not white); every child with an injury, illness or behavioral problem was abused by its parents; everybody with a speech impediment is always drunk (especially if they're anywhere near a motor vehicle (and if they're near a vehicle they must have been driving it); drug intoxication can be diagnosed down to the specific drug from across the street by determining "pupil dilation"; all dogs are vicious and "attack trained" (even if they're puppies); every grocery list or written note is an enciphered list of "drug contacts and deals"; everything including a spare change of socks is a "burglary tool", etc., ad nauseum. The list is endless.

I'm amazed that people with a junior college education and a few weeks of police academy training can acquire such vast and deep knowledge of medical and behavioral science in such a short time. I'm even more amazed that people with at least a JD degree can become so gullible just by donning a black robe.
3.28.2007 12:53pm
Harry Eagar (mail):
My brother, who testifies as an expert in structrual catastrophes (bridge collapses, ship sinkings, things like that), tells me about the time a $300/hr defense lawyer (this is an old story, $300 was near the top of the scale then) offered advice to other lawyers about expert testimony.

Summed, it was, hire a local expert; don't give the jury the impression that you had to go all the way across the country to find somebody to lie for you.
3.28.2007 5:26pm
Connie (mail):
Call center managers who are able to lie, lie, lie to their superiors about the effectiveness of outbound calling to generate sales. Fields: mortgage refinancing (although maybe they are finally getting their due); cable/dish installation; siding salespeople; stocks/mutual fund lead generation; "disability" "insurance" as an add-on to your credit card account.
3.28.2007 8:09pm
Louis Troy Dixon (mail) (www):
Therapeutic Touch is accepted in hospitals. Accupuncture comes to mind as well. Reiki Masters. The whole new age movement.
3.30.2007 10:37pm
China Law Blog (www):
My firm just won a judge trial on a directed verdict (I know you cannot have a directed verdict in a judge trial, but you know what I mean) based on the judge's ruling that the accoutant's damage calculations were simply not credible. Basically, all the accountant had done was to take the last few years of an incredibly complicated international business and find that the next year would have been the same. This "expert" failed to account for the fact that the company at issue's most valuable product had greatly declined in price while the cost of its biggest purchases (fuel) had nearly doubled and failed even to look at currency changes or international risk. Happy to drone on more if you are interested.
4.8.2007 12:20pm
scooby (mail):
From reading magazine reviews and such, I think you should add audiophiles, wine tasters and connoisseurs in general.
4.21.2007 3:06am
Kauser (mail) (www):
Fake Gurus with watertight disclaimers
4.28.2007 5:26pm