The Volokh Conspiracy

Gun Possession by Senator Webb's Aide:

There's been some discussion about whether D.C. prosecutors should exercise their discretion not to prosecute Senator Webb's aide for possessing a gun in violation of D.C. law. But if, as Senator Webb says, the aide "completely inadvertently took the weapon into the Senate yesterday," in the sense of bringing in a bag containing the gun without realizing that it might contain a gun, then the aide is simply not guilty.

Generally speaking, one isn't legally guilty of criminal possession of an illegal item (whether guns, drugs, or what have you) if one (1) doesn't know that one is possessing the item, and if one (2) isn't even aware of a substantial and unjustifiable risk that one is possessing it. Mistake about whether possession is legally forbidden to you is generally not a defense. Moreover, if one thinks that one might well possess the item, but one doesn't investigate further (or, worse still, one takes affirmative steps to avoid learning the truth), then one would be guilty. But if a cab driver is handed a suitcase by a passenger to put in the cab's trunk, the driver is not guilty of illegal possession of a gun or of drugs stored in the suitcase (unless he is aware of the suitcase's contents, or at least suspects what the suitcase's contents may be). Likewise with an aide, if he really didn't know or suspect what was in the bag.

That's a broadly recognized legal principle, but there's even some specifically D.C. authority on point: See Campos v. United States, 617 A.2d 185 (D.C. 1992):

[A] person who has no knowledge that he or she has a pistol, despite the fact that it is located on his or her person, does not exercise direct physical control over the pistol [required for possession]. One cannot effectively exercise control over a pistol on his or her person unless he or she knows that it is there. Cf. Johnson v. United States, 309 A.2d 497, 499 (D.C.1973) (government must prove defendant had knowledge to establish possession). Similarly, a person cannot have the requisite intent to do the prohibited acts that "constitute the carrying of a pistol without a license" unless he or she knows that the object he or she is carrying is, in fact, a pistol. A defendant cannot possess the requisite general intent to commit a crime without "be[ing] aware of all those facts which make his [or her] conduct criminal."

Now I say again that if the aide knew or suspected he was carrying a gun, he would be legally guilty even if he, for instance, thought there was some statutory exception for Senators' aides. In that situation, the prosecutor would have to exercise his discretion in deciding whether or not to prosecute. And of course even if the aide says he didn't know or suspect he was carrying a gun, the prosecutor would have to decide whether he believes the aide (though that's not usually what's called "prosecutorial discretion"); and it may well be that the Senator's vouching for the aide will tip the scales on that point, so I'm not claiming that if charges against the aide are dropped, that decision will be entirely independent of who the aide's boss is. Nonetheless, if the aide really "completely inadvertently" brought in the gun, in the sense of not knowing or suspecting that there was a gun in the bag, then he's just not guilty. And a prosecutor who believes that the aide just didn't know what was in the bag should therefore drop the charges.

JonC:
These may be stupid questions on my part, but here goes:
1) Is the D.C. law that Webb's aide allegedly violated the same law recently struck down by the D.C. Circuit?
2) If yes, what effect, if any, would that have on the ultimate disposition of this case?

I suppose my question, my broadly, is: what result where someone is accused of violating a federal law that's been struck down by a federal circuit court, but where appeal from that court's ruling has not been exhausted?
3.28.2007 10:09am
Mho (mail):
Just curious, does this same test apply to pre-trial forfeiture? I've heard of parents having their cars seized because they had some marijuana in them that they didn't know was there, purportedly left by their kids.

Thanks,
Not a lawyer
3.28.2007 10:10am
JonC:
That should be "more broadly."
3.28.2007 10:10am
M. Simon (mail) (www):
Prosecutors have the Nifong option.

If that doesn't work there is always the Fitzgerald/Starr option.
3.28.2007 10:12am
Chicago:
Anyone else think the Capitol Police are unconstitutional on separation of powers grounds? Cf. Morrison v. Olson.
3.28.2007 10:17am
bellisaurius (mail):
Doesn't Virginia have a concealed carry law? If he was coming from a home in Va, I would think it's quite possible to accidentally carry it in.
3.28.2007 10:22am
Mho (mail):
Nevermind on the prior question. Looked it up.
3.28.2007 10:31am
Angus:
The Capitol police are not unconstitutional, nor are the Supreme Court police. The Constitution is silent on the matter of "police" forces and who can set them up. Apart from which, the police jurisdictions are limited solely to the grounds of the Congress/Supreme Court. Under separation of powers, it only makes sense for security to be handled internally within each branch.
3.28.2007 10:34am
Cassandrus (mail):
As a non-lawyer, how does the ignorance standard Eugene wrote about here apply to vehicles? I.E., if there is something inside the vehicle that you did not know about, can you be held liable for possessing it?
3.28.2007 10:50am
Houston Lawyer:
Unless he was carrying someone else's bag, I don't see how this defense works. A client of mine who travelled back and forth between Texas and Tennessee had a concealed carry license in Tennessee. He forgot that he had his pistol in his bag until his bag was sent through the X-Ray machine at the airport a second time. He then confessed to the security guard that he had a gun in his bag.

It cost him about $10,000 in attorneys fees and he got to testify in front of the grand jury. Fortunately, he was no-billed.
3.28.2007 11:01am
Eric Rasmusen (mail) (www):
(1) Re Houston Lawyer: What would have happened if the friend who accidentally carried a gun in luggage had not spent the $10,000 on legal fees? The outcome anyway seems to have been that he carried a gun, claimed it was accidental, and had to spend some time convincing authorities that there was a reasonable doubt that it was really accidental. He shouldn't even have had to appear before the grand jury, but it sounds like his legal spending didn't help him at all.
3.28.2007 11:14am
Houston Lawyer:
Eric

Since he was facing possible indictment and this happened post 9/11, he hired a criminal attorney of high regard and paid his retainer. Such an attorney will talk to the DA and facilitate his client's testimony in front of the Grand Jury. Maybe he could have done this without competent legal counsel, but he was facing possible jail time and could afford the fee. I would strongly advise anyone else in his shoes to do the same thing.
3.28.2007 11:28am
uh clem (mail):
Houston Lawyer: Unless he was carrying someone else's bag, I don't see how this defense works.

He was carrying someone else's bag. In fact, the someone else is a sitting US Senator, which may or may not have additional legal ramifications.
3.28.2007 11:33am
Jeek:
This is sloppy behavior on the part of the Senator. If you are going to carry, it is YOUR responsibility (not some lackey's) to ensure that the weapon is properly secured when it is not on your person.
3.28.2007 11:49am
Justin (mail):
Ah, these intent questions remind me of my clerkship days.

I hate to agree with Jeek, but I do think Webb probably should have taken more care with his gun. That, of course, is no crime, but hopefully a lesson learned.
3.28.2007 12:04pm
gbrown (mail):
Houston lawyer's comments reflect the reality of such situations. Actual or at least plausible forgetfullness about the pistol in the baggage might get you a pass on discretionary grounds. It is difficult to argue that legally you are not responsible for your pistol in your briefcase. Where I practice, a large state university owns a huge amount of property in a small county. It is, with only a few exceptions, illegal to possess an exhaustive enumeration of weapon types on any university property. Recently a university student was arrested and charged with a felony for possessing a bb pistol in his car that was parked in a university parking lot. I do not know how that case will be rsolved, but I doubt that discretion will result in charges being dismissed.
3.28.2007 12:54pm
Crunchy Frog:
gbrown: Wasn't there a question of the legality of the search of the car in the first place?
3.28.2007 7:42pm