The Volokh Conspiracy

Senators (or Representatives) and Guns:

Apropos the incident involving Senator Webb's aide, can anyone point me to the relevant legal rules about whether Senators and Representatives may themselves carry guns in D.C.? I've heard varying things on the subject, and I'd love to see some authoritative citations. Thanks!

UPDATE: Roll Call reports,

Although the D.C. prohibition against firearms was put into place in 1975, under a provision in federal law Members of Congress and their staffs are in essence given the right to bear arms on Capitol grounds.

According to Capitol Police Board regulations established in 1967, Members and their aides are allowed to transport licensed firearms on the Capitol grounds in the course of carrying out their official duties provided the weapons are "unloaded and securely wrapped." (Directives published in recent years also state that staff must be verified by Capitol Police.)

Although the regulations expressly prohibit weapons on the floor of either chamber, as well as in the adjacent lobbies, cloakrooms and galleries, individual Members are allowed to "maintain firearms within the confines of [their] office."

But while Members and aides would technically have to violate District law just to transport a handgun to the Hill, Capitol Police are not under any obligation to report the offense to D.C. authorities.

I'm not sure, though, just what the relevant "provision in federal law" is; nor am I sure that the Members lack an exemption from District law -- as I said, I'd love to have some pointers to the precise laws involved. Thanks to Joe Olson and FreeRide for alerting me to the Roll Call story.

Jay Goodman Tamboli (mail) (www):
Speech and Debate Clause? I got nothin'.
3.28.2007 10:54am
Mark Field (mail):
Prior to the Civil War, Congressmen occasionally brought their weapons to the floor. On one famous occasion, a gun was drawn and pointed at Senator Thomas Hart Benton on the floor of the Senate. My vague recollection is that subsequent rules barred guns, but I don't have a cite.
3.28.2007 11:07am
Jeek:
Canes are still permitted, in case one Senator needs to discipline another.
3.28.2007 11:15am
Just an Observer:
I have heard Jim Angle on Fox News repeatedly state that members of Congress are allowed to possess guns on Capitol grounds if the guns are unloaded and "securely wrapped." But he never cites a source for this.

Assuming this is true, Angle does raise the point that there still is no apparent way for Webb legally to transport a gun that he legally can carry in Virginia through the District of Columbia to the Capitol.
3.28.2007 11:17am
martinned (mail) (www):
L.S.,

According to a post on this forum it is a matter of Capitol Police Policy:

"Capitol Police issued an operational directive that reiterated the department's longstanding gun policy, which states that "Members of Congress or, after verification, any agent or employee of a member of
Congress that is carrying a firearm will be admitted to the Capitol Complex provided the firearm is unloaded and securely wrapped."
3.28.2007 11:26am
Porkchop:
At various times in the past, congressmen and senators have been deputized by the US Marshal's Service in order to carry in DC.
3.28.2007 11:28am
Wahoowa:
When I worked on Capitol Hill, I remember a newspaper article regarding the fact that Sen. Hutchinson (TX) carried a gun. As mentioned above, it was fairly clear she had the right to carry it on Capitol Grounds but unclear how it could legally get there. According to the law, the gun would have to be dismantled to travel from Virginia (or Maryland?) into DC and reassembled on Capitol grounds--a highly unlikely situation.
3.28.2007 11:32am
Jay Goodman Tamboli (mail) (www):
40 U.S.C. § 5104(e)(1) seems to give the Capitol Police Board the power to authorize possession.
3.28.2007 11:42am
martinned (mail) (www):
Thanks.

(1) Firearms, dangerous weapons, explosives, or incendiary devices. - An individual or group of individuals -
(A) except as authorized by regulations prescribed by the Capitol Police Board--
(i) may not carry on or have readily accessible to any individual on the Grounds or in any of the Capitol Buildings a firearm, a dangerous weapon, explosives, or an incendiary device;
(ii) may not discharge a firearm or explosives, use a dangerous weapon, or ignite an incendiary device, on the Grounds or in any of the Capitol Buildings; or
(iii) may not transport on the Grounds or in any of the Capitol Buildings explosives or an incendiary device;
3.28.2007 11:46am
sjalterego (mail):
18 U.s.c. 926a might provide some defense to the aide provided he could legally possess the firearm in one location and could also legally possess the firearm in Senator Webb's offices in DC. 926A overrules "STATE" laws to protect the transport of a firearm from one legal destination to another.

http://www.nraila.org/images/DOJltrTSA.pdf

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 44 > § 926A Prev | Next

§ 926A. Interstate transportation of firearms

Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver’s compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.
3.28.2007 12:25pm
PersonFromPorlock:
I'm sure the Important Person Clause covers it.
3.28.2007 1:38pm
mike:
There is no exception to the DC gun ban for members of congress. sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson has complained to no end about her inability to have a functioning handgun in her D.C. home.
3.28.2007 3:34pm
davod (mail):
Why did the Capitol police hand Thompson over to the DC police?
3.28.2007 3:37pm
Ross Grimes:
Wouldn't they Senators and Representatives themselves be covered under the Congressional Immunity from arrest section of the constitution?

"They shall in all cases, except treason, felony and breach of the peace, be privileged from arrest during their attendance at the session of their respective Houses"

I'm not sure what the defination of "attendance" is, but that should at least cover some cirumstances during actual sessions, as its hard to see how possesion would qualify as treason, felony, or breach of the peace (unless, I suppose, they were brandishing it about). No help for the poor aide though, he's on his own I believe.
3.28.2007 4:16pm
dvorak:
How about this:

18 USC Sec. 930. Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities


(a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.

(d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to -

(2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such possession is authorized by law;
3.28.2007 7:12pm
Dave Hardy (mail) (www):
I think the immunity from arrest clause would cover it (altho theoretically leaving the congresscritter at risk for arrest after his/her term ended).
3.29.2007 12:42am
markm (mail):
According to the law, the gun would have to be dismantled to travel from Virginia (or Maryland?) into DC and reassembled on Capitol grounds--a highly unlikely situation. No. I don't know the status of gun parts under DC law, but every cartridge - or even expended casing - is a separate offense under DC law, so I doubt that they overlooked a dismantled gun in banning them.
3.30.2007 10:49am
Jason Wax (mail):
What about D.C. Code §§ 22-4505 and 22-4506 (2007):

§ 22-4505. Exceptions to § 22-4504.

(a) The provisions of § 22-4504 shall not apply to marshals, sheriffs, prison or jail wardens, or their deputies, policemen or other duly appointed law enforcement officers, including special agents of the Office of Tax and Revenue, authorized in writing by the Deputy Chief Financial Officer for the Office of Tax and Revenue to carry a firearm while engaged in the performance of their official duties, and criminal investigators of the Office of the Inspector General, designated in writing by the Inspector General, while engaged in the performance of their official duties, or to members of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps of the United States or of the National Guard or Organized Reserves when on duty, or to the regularly enrolled members of any organization duly authorized to purchase or receive such weapons from the United States, provided such members are at or are going to or from their places of assembly or target practice, or to officers or employees of the United States duly authorized to carry a concealed pistol, or to any person engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, or dealing in firearms, or the agent or representative of any such person having in his or her possession, using, or carrying a pistol in the usual or ordinary course of such business, or to any person while carrying a pistol unloaded and in a secure wrapper from the place of purchase to his or her home or place of business or to a place of repair or back to his or her home or place of business or in moving goods from one place of abode or business to another.

(b) The provisions of § 22-4504 with respect to pistols shall not apply to a police officer who has retired from the Metropolitan Police Department, if the police officer has registered a pistol and it is concealed on or about the police officer.


§ 22-4506. Issue of licenses to carry pistol.

The Chief of Police of the District of Columbia may, upon the application of any person having a bona fide residence or place of business within the District of Columbia or of any person having a bona fide residence or place of business within the United States and a license to carry a pistol concealed upon his or her person issued by the lawful authorities of any State or subdivision of the United States, issue a license to such person to carry a pistol within the District of Columbia for not more than 1 year from date of issue, if it appears that the applicant has good reason to fear injury to his or her person or property or has any other proper reason for carrying a pistol and that he or she is a suitable person to be so licensed. The license shall be in duplicate, in form to be prescribed by the Mayor of the District of Columbia and shall bear the name, address, description, photograph, and signature of the licensee and the reason given for desiring a license. The original thereof shall be delivered to the licensee, and the duplicate shall be retained by the Chief of Police of the District of Columbia and preserved in his or her office for 6 years.


I don't have any experience with 2nd Am. issues or the broader context of the right to carry in D.C., but these two provisions seem to me to make it possible for a member of Congress to carry a pistol in D.C.. Nonetheless, I have a sneaking suspicion that I must be missing something here. If that's the case, would someone please fill me in?
3.30.2007 7:39pm