The Volokh Conspiracy

This Sen. Reid Statement, on the Other Hand, Is Likely Just a Joke:

The New York Times quotes Sen. Reid as saying, "I’m not going to get into a name-calling match with somebody who has a 9 percent approval rating." The Mystery Pollster points out that "Perhaps that was a bit of rhetorical excess, because while Cheney's ratings are low [29-34%], they are a long way from 9%."

Well, yes, but it's a form of "rhetorical excess" that probably fits in the category of "joke." My sense is that 9% for a sitting President or Vice-President is so ridiculously and obviously low (at least setting aside extraordinary scandals not present here) that Reid is using it as a jocular way of saying "very low" -- rather like someone might say "Jane Schmane is a thousand years old" to mean "Jane Schmane is very old." True, "thousand years old" is physically impossible while "9 percent approval rating" is just extremely improbable, but the improbability is so extreme that they seem to be in the same ballpark.

I realize that some laypeople might miss the jocular hyperbole, but I suspect it will be very few. And Reid was apparently speaking to reporters, and in that context even someone who realizes he may be quoted might be pitching his off-the-cuff comments at the sophistication level of the audience that is present.

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CJColucci:
After all, Reid could simply have said: "Dick Cheney can go fuck himself."
4.25.2007 4:09pm
Martin Ammorgan (mail):
Don't be defeatist on Cheney's approval numbers. He may get to 9% yet.
4.25.2007 4:10pm
Steve:
I'm not sure I understand Reid's logic. Would he prefer, for example, to get into a name-calling contest with someone who has a 90% approval rating? It seems to me that the Democrats should be lining up around the block to lock horns with Dick Cheney, as opposed to some Republican who actually enjoys a measure of respectability.
4.25.2007 4:15pm
Crunchy Frog:
I'd actually be interested in Reid's own approval rating. I doubt it's much higher than Cheney's.
4.25.2007 4:22pm
dba dba:
Don't forget Ehud Olmert's recent favorability rating of 3%:
http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1604916,00.html
4.25.2007 4:23pm
mrshl (www):
Crunchy Frog,

I'd actually be interested to know if Reid enjoys 9% recognition among the American people. Maybe, but it can't be too much higher than that.
4.25.2007 4:29pm
Steve:
I'd actually be interested in Reid's own approval rating. I doubt it's much higher than Cheney's.

The most recent poll I could locate gave Reid a 46/33 approve/disapprove rating.
4.25.2007 4:38pm
lex rex (mail):
I'd actually be interested in Reid's own approval rating. I doubt it's much higher than Cheney's.


The most recent poll I could locate (NYT/CBS, March 13, 2007) gave Cheney an 18/48 approve/disapprove rating. But what's Cheney going to say, "Hey Reid got it wrong, actually my approval rating is 18%?" Reid has a sharper stick.
4.25.2007 5:06pm
Bored Lawyer:
What an absurd thing to say! Cheney accused Reid of acting shamefully -- undermining the morale of U.S. troops during war time. Is proper behavior for a Senator now determined by polls? Makes Reid look absoultely unprincipled.
4.25.2007 5:35pm
lex rex (mail):
Is proper behavior for a Senator now determined by polls?

No, polls at such a rock-bottom level reflect the public's judgment of Cheney's character. Reid is tacitly acknowledging he doesn't have to convince anybody, except blinded die-hards, that Cheney is an unprincipled liar.
4.25.2007 6:18pm
soccer dad (mail) (www):
I thought I heard the quote last night on the news with sen Reid saying that he wouldn't get into a name calling match with the "president's attack dog."

(Here the attack dog comment is listed separately.

“The president sends out his attack dog often,” said Mr. Reid. “That’s also known as Dick Cheney.”


I guess he does have a sense of irony, if not humor.
4.25.2007 6:29pm
Goober (mail):
Agreed. And for what it's worth, Jane Schmane doesn't look a day over seven hundred.
4.25.2007 6:35pm
David in NY (mail):
Bored Lawyer and others who criticize Reid's lack of substance:

I think the press reported the sound bite, but Reid did say more. He said, “We believe the troops should get every penny they need and we have put our money where our mouth is with supplemental appropriations, but we believe there must be a change of direction in the war in Iraq.

By putting a timeline on military action, Reid and the Democrats are trying to force Bush into working on a political solution, which even Gen. Petraeus says is necessary. So far, Bush has done nothing to change his losing game.
4.25.2007 6:39pm
Randy R. (mail):
And considering the fact that several retired military generals and other mucky mucks support the Democrats on this issue hardly means that Reid is off kilter.

And that the fact that 70% of Americans are fed up with the way Bush/Cheney have handled the war.
4.25.2007 6:51pm
Mac (mail):

Randy wrote:
"And considering the fact that several retired military generals and other mucky mucks support the Democrats on this issue hardly means that Reid is off kilter".

Would like to point out that those same general's are losers and presided over creating the current mess in Iraq. They did not seem to know what they were doing while they were in Iraq so why should anyone listen to them now?

I doubt if Lincoln listened to any of the generals he fired after he fired them; just wondered why he hadn't fired them sooner. I wonder the same thing re Bush and not firing the nitwits a whole lot sooner and I wonder that Reid thinks we should listen to the idiots now.

Heaven help our troops in Iraq caught in the middle of this mess in DC, one which Reid et al voted FOR, by the way.
4.25.2007 7:06pm
chrismn (mail):
Mrshl is correct. According to this Pew poll, only 15% of Americans know who the hell Harry Reid even is. So you can't put much into his 46/33 approve/disapprove rating. It's more like a 85/8.5/6.5 don't-know-who-the-hell-he-is/approve/disapprove rating.
4.25.2007 7:12pm
David in NY (mail):
Would like to point out that those same general's are losers and presided over creating the current mess in Iraq.

No, because they were forced to adopt the strategy of Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld who were actually the ones who "presided over" this awful disaster. Bush and Cheney's decision to start the war placed the generals in a terrible position because it was going to be exteremly difficult to "win," if winning meant more than removing Saddam. Rumsfeld, supported by Cheney, insisted that the generals pursue it in a way designed to make the situation even worse. The "losers" as you call them, are unfortunately, our President, Vice-President and Secretary of Defense. And of course, those who blindly believe in them.

General Grant couldn't pull anything out of this fiasco.
4.25.2007 7:28pm
David in NY (mail):
You know, chrismn, the American people do know who the Democrats are, and they approve of what they're doing about Iraq, 60% to 37%. So while they may not know Reid's name, they know what he stands for, and they like it.
4.25.2007 7:31pm
Jimmy S:
. . . they approve of what they're doing about Iraq,

Which is what, exactly, other than fixing a withdrawal date?
4.25.2007 10:07pm
Moneyrunner43 (www):
David in NY,

I would also like to know what Reid and the Democrats are doing in Iraq. So far they have advocated a pullout, on a timetable that is either too fast for victory or too slow to end the death of our troops as the Dems sound retreat … in slow motion.

The other thing I hear mentioned is a change in “direction” the specifics of which are conveniently vague. That can cover virtually anything from a withdrawal are some rate specified by Congress (either too fast or too slow) to what?

Just curious Dave. What is it that Reid and the Dems are doing in Iraq?
4.25.2007 10:39pm
Moneyrunner43 (www):
Is this really a joke?

I’m not convinced. Harry Reid has a habit of mischaracterizing other people (see his comment regarding General Patraeus (“the war can’t be won militarily”) or simply lying about things like his land deals. His numbers seem so be taken at face value by many who are repeating them. After all, who remembers how a vice president polls?
4.25.2007 10:44pm
neurodoc:
Let's not forget this is the same Harry Reid who after the SCt announced its decision last week upholding the Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act passed by Congress in 2003 said at a press conference, "I would only say that this isn't the only decision that a lot of us wish that [Justice Samuel] Alito weren't there and [former Justice Sandra Day O'Connor were there." One would think that Senator Reid was against the PBABA, wouldn't they? But Senator Reid voted for the PBABA! Asked about the apparent inconsistency by the loathsome Robert Novak, Reid explained he wasn't alluding to that day's PBABA decision but rather to other decisions by Alito, though Reid was unable to specify which ones at that time.
4.25.2007 11:45pm
TMac (mail):
Rep Murtha is the only dem to offer a "real" plan: Withdraw the troops to Okinawa where they can respond quickly to Iraq if they are needed.
4.25.2007 11:53pm
passerby (mail):
I wonder the same thing re Bush and not firing the nitwits a whole lot sooner and I wonder that Reid thinks we should listen to the idiots now.

So, wait, is the argument that Bush was Right about the Iraq war, wrong about the Nitwit Generals (else why would he go in to this Very Serious War with boobs in charge?), and is still wrong about them? So Bush/Cheney are merely incompetent, in your estimation, but the bloodthirsty little men had they're hearts in the right place. Or am I misreading you?
4.26.2007 12:10am
Bruce Hayden (mail) (www):
Reid isn't the most loved guy right now in Iraq. For example, Marine Corporal Pat Dollard in Ramadi, Anbar Province, Iraq said Monday:
yeah and i got a qoute for that douche harry reid. these families need us here. obviously he has never been in iraq. or at least the area worth seeing. the parts where insurgency is rampant and the buildings are blown to pieces. we need to stay here and help rebuild. if iraq didnt want us here then why do we have IP’s voluntering everyday to rebuild their cities. and working directly with us too. same with the IA’s. it sucks that iraqi’s have more patriotism for a country that has turned to complete shit more than the people in america who drink starbucks everyday. we could leave this place and say we are sorry to the terrorists. and then we could wait for 3,000 more american civilians to die before we say “hey thats not nice” again. and the sad thing is after we WIN this war. people like him will say he was there for us the whole time.
and for messages back home...”
4.26.2007 12:40am
Steve:
That's nice, Bruce. I'm quite certain each of us would have no problem locating at least one soldier in Iraq to confirm our preexisting views, but I'm less certain that there would be a point to doing so.
4.26.2007 3:01am
Barry (mail):
Of course, the soldiers who disagreed with the official line would be in trouble, if their words and names were posted.
4.26.2007 9:33am
corneille1640 (mail):
I think soccer dad might be right, at least that's the quotation I saw on TV, unless Mr. Reid made the 9% statement elsewhere.
4.26.2007 9:42am