The Volokh Conspiracy

The Chief's Last Line in Abdul-Kabir:
Chief Justice Roberts' dissent today in Abdul-Kabir v. Quarterman ends with a serious zinger aimed at Justice Stevens.

  By way of background, this case considered whether the Texas courts had misapplied "clearly established" U.S. Supreme Court law in a death penalty case. In the dissenters' view — which I tend to think is right, although I'm not an expert in this area — the majority opinion is pretty much a fudge. The majority wanted to grant relief, so they tried to make the law seem "clearly established" when it really wasn't. To do this, the majority had to get a little creative in what kind of U.S. Supreme Court law it thought could "clearly establish" the law. Of particular note, today's majority opinion by Justice Stevens twice cites a dissent Justice Stevens wrote in a 1988 case for authority that a particular view of the law was "clearly established."

  At the end of his dissent today, Chief Justice Roberts mocks the idea of getting clearly established law from a dissent. Here's the last paragraph:
  Still, perhaps there is no reason to be unduly glum. After all, today the author of a dissent issued in 1988 writes two majority opinions concluding that the views expressed in that dissent actually represented “clearly established” federal law at that time. So there is hope yet for the views expressed in this dissent, not simply down the road, but tunc pro nunc. Encouraged by the majority’'s determination that the future can change the past, I respectfully dissent.
(I believe "tunc pro nunc" means "then for now," suggesting that the dissent will always have this effect.)

  Ouch. Of course, whether it's wise to use zingers like that can be hard to tell.

  Thanks to Amy Howe for flagging the passage.
Dave Hardy (mail) (www):
Yup, nunc pro tunc essentially means retroactively.

I know a judge who had to issue a bunch of divorce decrees nunc pro tunc. A lawyer had gone off his rocker, and prob. crooked to boot, took a bunch of divorce clients' fees, assured them he got the divorce, and never even filed them. So you had a bunch of people who *thought* they were divorced, and some had remarried. A judge really can do anything -- even change history!
4.25.2007 7:02pm
SP:
That's not a very nice comment by Chief Justice Roberts, one of Stevens' clerks is liable to take that personally.
4.25.2007 7:02pm
Tom Holsinger (mail):
Dave,

"Nunc pro tunc" and "tunc pro tunc" are not the same.

I suspect, however, that Roberts said "nunc pro tunc".
4.25.2007 7:09pm
tarheel:
I'm on record on this site as believing that Scalia has cost himself more votes than he has won himself with the tone of his dissents (and sometimes majority opinions). See, e.g., College Savings Bank, 527 U.S. 666 (687-88) (1999) ("Accordingly, Justice Breyer reiterates (but only in outline form, thankfully) the now-fashionable revisionist accounts of the Eleventh Amendment set forth in other opinions in a degree of repetitive detail that has despoiled our northern woods.")

Roberts' dissent here seems different to me for whatever reason, maybe because it lacks Scalia's arrogance. I can see Stevens and Roberts chuckling about it over coffee. I highly doubt Breyer found Scalia amusing.
4.25.2007 7:10pm
Another Random Commenter:
It seems that "tunc pro nunc" is a further bit of sarcasm by the Chief. Professor Kerr's translation of the phrase is literally correct, but perhaps misses the point. "Nunc pro tunc" is a common legal term used to describe an act performed literally "now for then" (for example, to correct a clerical error in a previously rendered judgment). "Tunc pro nunc" is an obvious absurdity, inverting the language of a common legal term to highlight the absurdity of Justice Steven's inversion of reasoning about the precedential weight of the earlier dissent.

Quintus?
4.25.2007 7:16pm
Oren (mail):
How much longer is Stevens going to be there anyway?
4.25.2007 7:17pm
wt (www):
I'm not too worried about collegiality amongst the Justices, but Another Random Commenter's note makes me concerned that Chief Justice Roberts's jokes are too clever for even well-educated lawyers. I mean, this isn't, like, an English court or something. The jokes should be understandishable.
4.25.2007 7:21pm
anonVCfan:
tarheel, Breyer treats Scalia's barbs with humor in his public remarks. I have no idea if this is evidence that he actually has a sense of humor about it or evidence that he raises them in public because he hates them but does it with humor because he doesn't want the public to think him bitter. I suspect that it's the former and that (with the possible exception of Justice Kennedy) the Justices are mature enough not to take this stuff personally.

On the question of whether this stuff costs dissenters votes or whether it's "wise," I guess I'm not sure how that would work. On the subject of capital punishment, I think at least 8 of the Justices are probably entrenched. The quest for AMK's vote probably happened a while ago, and once the votes were set, JGR probably just decided to write the best dissent he could.

I like the zinger.
4.25.2007 7:24pm
Jay:
"Nunc pro tunc" and "tunc pro tunc" are not the same.
I suspect, however, that Roberts said "nunc pro tunc".

Helpful hint: If you "suspect" what the Chief Justice said in a written opinion quoted a few lines above where you're writing, you might scroll up and see what was actually written before announcing your suspicion to the world.
He said "tunc pro nunc," reversing the usual legal phrase in order to make a rhetorical point about the majority's use of a dissent in the past ("then") to established what the law is "now."
4.25.2007 7:25pm
OrinKerr:
Actually, "tunc pro nunc" is used on occassion. It's relatively rare, but as far as I can tell it's not an absurdity.
4.25.2007 7:25pm
Fub:
(I believe "tunc pro nunc" means "then for now," suggesting that the dissent will always have this effect.)
Yes, the zinger is in turning the common phrase around. Nunc pro tunc actions or filings legitimately correct nonjudicial error. But tunc pro nunc is goofy at best.
4.25.2007 7:30pm
tarheel:
anonVCfan:

Good point on Breyer. I just read that case so it was fresh in my mind. Hard to prove until we see their papers or their clerks break their vows, but I suspect that O'Connor and Kennedy went the other way more often in later years partly because they felt alienated (lame as that sounds) by some of Scalia's rhetoric. I'm not so much saying that in a particular case Scalia lost a vote because he was mean, but rather that people he had attacked repeatedly stopped listening to him over time.
4.25.2007 7:30pm
Another Random Commenter:
The fact that a court has used the term "tunc pro nunc" does not make it less of an absurdity. The Chief's next sentence (describing the majority's opinion as holding that "the future can change the past") suggests to me that he meant the phrase in its literal and absurd meaning.
4.25.2007 7:36pm
Kovarsky (mail):
tarheel,

I'm on record on this site as believing that Scalia has cost himself more votes than he has won himself with the tone of his dissents (and sometimes majority opinions). See, e.g., College Savings Bank, 527 U.S. 666 (687-88) (1999) ("Accordingly, Justice Breyer reiterates (but only in outline form, thankfully) the now-fashionable revisionist accounts of the Eleventh Amendment set forth in other opinions in a degree of repetitive detail that has despoiled our northern woods.")

Not just the tone of his dissents, but their content. This isn't the first time I've seen one of scalia's "the end of the world dissents" invoked against him later - see the majority opinion in Cole, n. 16. He says that the only way ever to square Penry 1 with Jurek is for the jury to be able to give mitigating evidence "full mitigating effect."

I might also note that an en banc panel of the Fifth Circuit, in Nelson v. Quareterman, had recently overruled this line of cases. The lawyers asked the court to GVR, but the Court declined. So whatever criticism is to be heaped on the "liberal" supremes should also be heaped on the "liberal" Fifth Circuit.
4.25.2007 7:56pm
Tom Holsinger (mail):
Oren asked, "How much longer is Stevens going to be there anyway?"

What makes you think Stevens is there now?
4.25.2007 7:57pm
Kovarsky (mail):
stevens thinks he means tunc pro nunc - see note 25 of the majority opinion, which discusses roberts' barb.
4.25.2007 7:58pm
james:
I don't think that it's meant to be absurd. Normally you would say "now for then" because you would be essentially talking about backdating something--"although we're only signing the divorce papers now, we were really divorced back then." The Chief is saying, "When I get another vote I'll be able to change the law then, and now as well." Thus "then for now." It's just looking at the backdating prospectively instead of retrospectively.

Or maybe it's just a typo. :)
4.25.2007 8:01pm
MS (mail):
Kovarsky,

I might also note that an en banc panel of the Fifth Circuit, in Nelson v. Quareterman, had recently overruled this line of cases. The lawyers asked the court to GVR, but the Court declined. So whatever criticism is to be heaped on the "liberal" supremes should also be heaped on the "liberal" Fifth Circuit.

Wasn't the clearly-established date different in Nelson? It seems to me that the Teague argument is stronger here.
4.25.2007 8:03pm
zooba:
Robert' opinion seems to be mostly blustering and confusing the issues. It's hard to see how this case does not fit within the four corners of Penry I. The fact that justices might have disagreed in cases prior to Penry, or that cases subsequent to Penry distinguished on grounds not relevant to this case does not some how un-establish Penry. Nor are statements in dissents characterizing other opinions relevant. Steven's citing of his dissent and O'Conner's concurrence in Franklin is not even necessary to this opinion, it just emphasizes the point that the controlling part of Penry itself states, that the rule that the jury must have instructions reasonably sufficient to allow them to weigh the relevant mitigating factors in death penalty sentencing. It's really sad if that's all that Roberts has.

It's not as if this "clearly established law" standard was being applied by idiots, it's to be applied by judges. A reasonable judge would know that without additional instructions, in a case nearly identical to Penry, would be constitutionally infirm. Robert's opinion is no better than The Chewbacca defense. It's very difficult to swallow that somehow the Steven's opinion is infirm for citing two opinions in Franklin, not even necessary for its holding, while Roberts focuses on how the dissents in Johnson &Graham characterize the Court's opinions in those cases as relating to Penry.

The fact is, the question under Penry, Johnson, Graham, etc. is whether the mitigating evidence to be presented can reasonably fit within the Texas categories as mitigating or not. Like Penry, evidence of a bad childhood or lack of impulse control is mitigating in that it reduces culpability, but is aggravating under the Texas categories because it increases the likelihood of future criminal activity. This is exactly unlike Johnosn, where the only characterization is youth, something which is mitigating under both categories, as it goes to deliberativeness, and, assuming that people mature, mitigates the likelihood of future criminal activity.

The real reason that the state court violated federal law is clear from the quotation of in Robert's opinion, it cites numerous Texas appellate &supreme court opinions that effectively eviscerated Penry. Things like saying extreme low IQ were somehow different than retardation for the purposes of Penry, Johnson, etc. This is the same kind of thing Roberts &co. are trying to do here, albeit with an even less persuasive method.
4.25.2007 8:06pm
Reg (mail):
How the majority interpreted "clearly established law" in those cases was absurd. To cite dissents as making clearly established law is disgraceful and shows a lack of respect for the rule of law and the Court's constitutional role.
4.25.2007 8:08pm
Eric Muller (www):
If CJ Roberts really had a sense of humor, he would have inserted just after the comma in this sentence

"Encouraged by the majority’'s determination that the future can change the past, I respectfully dissent."

a citation to McFly v. Tannen, __ U.S. __ (1885, 1985, and 2015) (Zemeckis, J.)
4.25.2007 8:14pm
c.f.w. (mail):
"Tunc pro nunc" in this context may mean that, when the CJ gets another vote, he can look back and cite his dissent as the clearly established law of 2007.

Zooba:

"It's not as if this "clearly established law" standard was being applied by idiots, it's to be applied by judges."

Actually, the standard is routinely applied in the first instance by idiots - inmates, many of whom would not be inmates if they had normal IQ's.

Rather than tossing zingers in death cases, the CJ might have commented on this being a possibly unconstitutional statute - calling for application of stale law (perhaps 20 years out of date, in CA cases) decided only by one court (the USSCT).
4.25.2007 8:22pm
Kovarsky (mail):
CJ Roberts is a fantastic writer, but he overplays his hand. First, a bunch of the pre-1999 cases were Teague cases, so they were deciding the pre-Penry state of the law. I believe Johnson is the only one that is not, but I'm not going to go back and check right now. Also, There's a bunch of post-Penry cases that profess to be saying what the clearly established law was (not what the law was, again, what the CLEARLY ESTABLISHED law was). The majority chooses not to deal with that precedent.

I really am fond of Roberts, and this law is confusing, but the majority's reading is hardly "disgraceful." If you think it's so disgraceful, please explain why.

MS,

Wasn't the clearly-established date different in Nelson? It seems to me that the Teague argument is stronger here.

This is ticky tack, but Teague and 2254(d) are different, although I understand the temptation just to call the latter the former. Also, Nelson is pretty emphatic that the "clearly established law" goes back to Penry I, even though I believe Nelson's 2254(d) date was right after Penry II.
4.25.2007 8:39pm
Kovarsky (mail):
excuse me, the dissent choses not to deal with the post-99 cases that say what the clearly established law is.
4.25.2007 8:42pm
Adam K:
I'm not a huge Roberts fan, and I really dislike "snark" in appellate court opinions - majority or dissent - but that was pretty darn funny.
4.25.2007 8:47pm
Bryan DB:
I'm not sure what the big deal is about Stevens' citation to the dissenting opinions he wrote, aside from the snark value. At least for the Franklin citation, Stevens is citing to a proposition of law that was stated in his dissents and also in the concurring opinions.

If we understand him to be making those citations because they demonstrate that a particular understanding of the law is "clearly established," then I don't see what the problem is that some of the citations are to dissents. Just because a particular holding is "clearly established law" doesn't necessarily mean that it will prevail in every given case.

For example, it is a clearly established rule of law that government may not infringe your right to free speech. It is also a clearly established rule of law that you may exercise your free speech rights in a dangerous manner. If the dissent quotes the first rule of law in a case holding the latter, does that make the "free speech" rule of law no longer clearly established? I don't think so; it just means that on a particular set of facts one "clearly established rule of law" had to give way to another.

Could that not be the same case with Stevens' citations? That they show a consistent understanding of the law (i.e. that it was "clearly established") over a long period of time. As well, in this case, the rule of law cited to by Stevens from his old dissents was also shared by the concurring opinions in those same cases.
4.25.2007 9:21pm
Justice Fuller:
Bryan DB,

"clearly established" law can't be at such a broad level of generality. The right has to be a specific right, not a general one.
4.25.2007 11:00pm
David M. Nieporent (www):
Bryan -- but Roberts' point is that Stevens' dissents in those cases argued that the court was failing to follow Penry. Now Stevens is turning around and claiming that Penry was clearly established law. If the Supreme Court wasn't following it at the time, how could it be clearly established then?

And if the Supreme Court was following it at the time, then why was Stevens writing dissents claiming that it wasn't?
4.25.2007 11:02pm
blackdoggerel (mail):
Sheesh. The quality of legal analysis in some of these comments is just embarrassing.

Rather than tossing zingers in death cases, the CJ might have commented on this being a possibly unconstitutional statute.

He might also have commented on ERISA, abstention doctrine, and the Confrontation Clause -- as these are all other subjects that, like the constitutionality of AEDPA, were not at issue in Abdul-Kabir.

the dissent choses not to deal with the post-99 cases that say what the clearly established law is.

That's because the state court ruling in question took place in 1999. It's that state court ruling that must be contrary to or an unreasonable application of clearly established law, under AEDPA. See the dissent at page 14 ("AEDPA ... does not require [state courts] to have a crystal ball.").

Zooba: I hate to resort to ad hominem attacks, but your understanding of the Penry line of cases is about on par with your understanding of the possessive form ("Robert's").
4.25.2007 11:17pm
Kovarsky (mail):
blackdoggerel,

That's because the state court ruling in question took place in 1999. It's that state court ruling that must be contrary to or an unreasonable application of clearly established law, under AEDPA.

you are either not reading carefully or are not understanding the proposition. there are post-99 cases saying what the pre-99 clearly established law was. you are confusing this observation with the idea that there are post-99 cases saying what the post-99 clearly established law is.
4.25.2007 11:25pm
zooba:
blackdoggerel:
Insulting people due to minor mistakes of grammar, spelling, and punctuation in a blog comment is in poor form. Try and address my comments on the merits. However, as pointed out by Kovarsky, you don't understand the basic concept of precedent, so I'm assuming you won't be able to.
4.25.2007 11:39pm
Kovarsky (mail):
blackdoggerel,

i would add that not only was this conclusion the one reached by a majority of the supreme court, but also by the 17 judge en banc panel of the fifth circuit, which reads AEDPA more restrictively than any other court in the country, in nelson v quartermann.
4.25.2007 11:51pm
Jake (Guest):
Are post-99 cases binding in their interpretation of pre-99 law? Are they even particularly informative?
4.26.2007 12:37am
CollegeProf:
zooba writes:
Insulting people due to minor mistakes of grammar, spelling, and punctuation in a blog comment is in poor form. Try and address my comments on the merits. However, as pointed out by Kovarsky, you don't understand the basic concept of precedent, so I'm assuming you won't be able to.
(emphasis mine)

Zooba, am I right that this last sentence was "in poor form"?
4.26.2007 12:46am
Kovarsky (mail):
Jake,

Are post-99 cases binding in their interpretation of pre-99 law? Are they even particularly informative?

This has always been an interpretive question that has interested me. Because of the language of 2254(d) and the role of the Teague bar before it, many habeas decisions aren't saying what the law "is" as much as what the law was at time T. Is the statement about what the law was at time T as binding as a statement about what the law currently is? I doubt it, but the Court seems unwilling to probe that interpretive problem.
4.26.2007 1:39am
spectator:
What does it mean for the constitution of a nation if even the Chief Justice of its Supreme Court, in his official pronouncements, openly admits that no consistent tradition of jurisprudence exists and the court imposes an arbitrary will by majority vote, like a legislative body -- and, having admitted that, if he has nothing but sarcasm to offer as a remedy?
4.26.2007 2:58am
ReaderY:
Roberts seems to be saying something which actually has sweeping implications -- that in areas of the law where the Supreme Court goes back-and-forth, reversing and re-reversing its precedents with shifting five-Justice majority, there is no clearly established federal law at all -- it lacks the power to make it!
4.26.2007 3:22am
anonnn (mail):
I'm a bit surprised that no one has yet cited other examples of courts using "tunc pro nunc." Am I the only one here with access to Lexis?
I only had time to look for state court decisions. Perhaps someone else can look up federal ones. These examples show that "tunc pro nunc," while not common, has been used before as a mirror image of "nunc pro tunc." Some examples follow, with internal citations omitted and the phrase highlighted. Some of them are quite humerous.

1) People v. Green, 70 Cal. 2d 654, 661 (Cal. 1969)


We reiterate that the "contemporaneous" cross-examination which alone, in the absence of a legal showing of necessity, can be considered fully effective and constitutionally adequate is cross-examination at the same time as the direct testimony is given, before the same trier as must ultimately pass on the credibility of the witness and the weight of that testimony. CA(3a)(3a) In short, cross-examination neither may be nunc pro tunc nor may it be tunc pro nunc. n4

n4 In Berger v. California (1969) supra, the high court stated that Barber was "foreshadowed, if not preordained" by Pointer v. Texas. Similarly, it could be said that the instant case was "foreshadowed, if not preordained" by People v. Johnson.



2) State ex rel. Kierskey v. Kelly, 81 Miss. 1 (Miss. 1902)


It would hardly be contended that a registration void when made, and therefore based on a false oath, can afterwards be treated as made of a later date (tunc pro nunc, if we may coin an expression). If the conditions precedent to registration did not exist at the time of registration, the registration was necessarily void. Otherwise, a person not a resident of Mississippi could register under a false oath as to residence, and move into the state years afterwards and reside here two years and rely upon the former false or fraudulent registration.


3) In re Estate of Carroll, 202 Misc. 508, 514 (N.Y. Misc. 1952)


If, in the present case, pursuant to section 1161 of the Civil Practice Act, an action for separation on the ground of abandonment had been instituted by petitioner's husband at or about the time he left her, the evidence does not constitute a sufficient basis for a determination that he would have been successful. Because of the previously observed insufficiency of the evidence to prove conduct on the petitioner's part endangering her husband, we are not concerned in the present proceeding with the question of whether such conduct might or could be regarded and treated as tantamount to or the equivalent of abandonment as that term is employed in section 87 of the Decedent Estate Law. The conclusion follows that, if we may take the liberty of reversing the expression, a "tunc pro nunc" theory of abandonment in favor of the husband is untenable.


4) Schaffer v. Harris, 1975 OK Civ App 56 (Okla. Ct. App. 1975)


One wonders what there is about the order that makes it nunc pro tunc -- now for then? Presumably the reader is supposed to assume that prior to July 19, 1974, the court made a ruling or something which is now being reduced to writing. But the fact is that after reciting "that [a] Demurrer to the plaintiff's Petition should be sustained," the order decrees that the case "should have been . . . . dismissed [on] . . . . September 30, 1973." The result became more nearly a "tunc pro nunc" order, which besides being illegal gives no hint as to just why the case should have been dismissed on September 30. Certain it is that afterthought decisions may not be handed down and recorded as "nunc pro tunc" orders. The office of such an order is restricted to correcting the record to accurately reflect what was [*588] actually ordered, adjudged, or done at some earlier time.


5) State v. Johnson, 635 P.2d 36, 38 n 1 (Utah 1981)


Nunc pro tunc, which means "now for then," is probably a misnomer for this circumstance, where the court is resentencing to give the judgment of conviction not retroactive but present effect--"then for now." Perhaps the action being authorized here should be termed tunc pro nunc. For those who find legal magic in Latin phrases, it is so ordered.


6) State v. Moya, 815 P.2d 1312, 1316 n 11 (Utah Ct. App. 1991)


In light of this extraordinary circumstance under the state's own view--a defendant reposing at the Utah State Prison for violation of probation which was ordered long after his parole and has yet to be imposed, i.e., executed--we believe that the state strains for a Latin gnat. Truly, the state's claim is not that the sentence was imposed "nunc pro tunc;" rather, the state's position reflects a "tunc pro nunc" reality. See State v. Johnson, 635 P.2d 36, 38 n.1 (Utah 1981) (explaining "nunc pro tunc" in a similar context).
4.26.2007 9:32am
anonVCfan:
If people aren't sure what tunc and nunc mean, they shouldn't use those words in the opinions they write.
4.26.2007 10:01am
mbsch13:
As to Scalia's dissents costing him votes, Jan Greenburg's book suggests that O'Connor and, to a lesser extent Kennedy, moved left in response to Thomas's substatntive positions after he joined the court, and that Scalia's more strident dissents (in particular Casey) were composed only after Kennedy and/or O'Connor had been lost (that is, after it was clear that Kennedy was a lost cause on Casey, Scalia felt free to let it fly and at least go down fighting). I think this may be borne out by the partial birth abortion decision, in which the Scalia/Thomas concurrence held back on their previous abortion rhetoric.
4.26.2007 10:17am
Mark P. (mail):
Oh, come on. Justice Roberts knows what "tunc pro nunc" means. And he's familiar with the fact that "nunc pro tunc" is the more-common phrase. The difference is that "nunc pro tunc" is backward looking ("I'm looking back to decide what should/could have happened."), and he's inverting the phrase because his dissent is forward looking ("I'm looking forward to what should/could happen.") It's also clearly a rhetorical barb ("Hey, in the future, we can say the LAW IS whatever we want to say it is.") This is not a question of failing to edit, and it's not an effort to use an obscure phrase. Roberts knows what he's doing: He's writing extremely well. He might even be right on the substance.
4.26.2007 10:34am
Daniel950:
What does it mean for the constitution of a nation if even the Chief Justice of its Supreme Court, in his official pronouncements, openly admits that no consistent tradition of jurisprudence exists and the court imposes an arbitrary will by majority vote, like a legislative body -- and, having admitted that, if he has nothing but sarcasm to offer as a remedy?


He's just saying what most people already know. That the Court is just another legslature now, that elections don't really matter much because the court will just make up the laws, and that the darkness of this corruption is so huge that humor is the only way to deal with it in public.

I don't think the man on the street really believes that the "justice system" produces justice. Only an intellectual could believe something so stupid.
4.26.2007 11:04am
SimonD (www):
Spectator:
What does it mean for the constitution of a nation if even the Chief Justice of its Supreme Court, in his official pronouncements, openly admits that no consistent tradition of jurisprudence exists and the court imposes an arbitrary will by majority vote, like a legislative body -- and, having admitted that, if he has nothing but sarcasm to offer as a remedy?
It means that he needs a fifth vote to put a stop to such behavior. It means you need to ensure that a Republican President is being inaugurated in January 2009.
4.26.2007 12:19pm
r78:
Didn't know Roberts was so petty.
4.26.2007 12:41pm
davod (mail):
Spectator:

And have a Republican majority in the Denate.
4.26.2007 1:29pm
davod (mail):

Corrected post.

Spectator:

And have a Republican majority in the Senate.
4.26.2007 1:32pm
Kelvin McCabe:
Thats funny, according to the above two posts, there have never been activist conservative justices. Must be convenient living in fantasy land.
4.26.2007 4:38pm
DavidHuberman (mail):
To the earlier comments, re: Breyer and Scalia and the tone of Scalia's scathing dissents, Breyer recently appeared on "Wait, Wait! Don't Tell Me!" on NPR. The most memorably quote, for me, was his indication that in his 12+ years on the court, no voice had ever been raised in anger in conference.
4.26.2007 5:54pm
c.f.w. (mail):
"He might also have commented on ERISA, abstention doctrine, and the Confrontation Clause -- as these are all other subjects that, like the constitutionality of AEDPA, were not at issue in Abdul-Kabir."

Constitutionality of the AEDPA is never "not at issue" in a DP case, as a matter of theory and standard practice amongst DP litigators. Why can the legislature tell the Court what precedent it can cite or not cite? If it is ok here, why not in detention of terrorists cases, or abortion cases? It is undemocratic (cutting out the lower courts) and violates the separation of powers doctrine (telling courts how to do their jobs) and the CJ can and should have mentioned that the issue is worth considering. If the stale USSCT cases being examined and applied had been decided by the Warren Court, you can bet the CJ would have said how can this be kosher. If the Congress said that the Constitution can only be interpreted by Article III judges as described in Roe v. Wade, would that be constitutional? If one has any respect for the concept of judicial review, Marbury v. Madison, etc., the issue is clearly debatable if not a slam dunk case of Congressional over-reaching.
4.26.2007 8:22pm
zooba:
Well, this case did not have ADEPA as a question formally presented, nor did either party brief it. It's bad practice to randomly make law without input from both sides.

However, there was another case this term that specifically dealt with the constitutionality of ADEPA and the court side-stepped the issue by doing a Teague v. Lane analysis and then saying, well, since it isn't a watershed rule under Teague, we don't need to get to the ADEPA quesiton. (Not that whether ADEPA bans all retroactivity is exactly clear, part of it mentions granting hearings when "a new rule of constitutional law, made retroactive to cases on collateral review by the Supreme Court, that was previously unavailable").

I think some on the court would probably disagree that limitations on federal habeas petitions from state court convictions are unconstitutional, since there is no federal constitutional right for habeas review of state court convictions (only a right for federal review of federal court convictions).

The only thing particularly troubling is the 1 year limit on federal habeas relief, but the courts have not blinked at that.
4.26.2007 10:00pm
Dave Hardy (mail) (www):
What does it mean for the constitution of a nation if even the Chief Justice of its Supreme Court, in his official pronouncements, openly admits that no consistent tradition of jurisprudence exists and the court imposes an arbitrary will by majority vote, like a legislative body -- and, having admitted that, if he has nothing but sarcasm to offer as a remedy?

That he's in touch with reality? (Grin)
4.27.2007 1:00am
ohwilleke:
I'm certainly not impressed with the Chief Justice's outburst. As the Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, he has some customary obligation to behave like a grown up, particularly given the fact that one of his top professed priorities is to build consensus on the Court.

The Justices are stuck with each other in a plural marriage that, unlike most marriages in this country, really is likely to last until its members part by death. Sowing bad blood, instead of cultivating mutual respect, is self-defeating.

I've written phrases like the one Roberts wrote in my legal briefs -- on first draft. But, sometimes with the nudging of a colleage and sometime just as a result of my better judgment, those kinds of phrases always come out of the brief before it is filed.

SCOTUS already has a "class clown" and his name is Associate Justice Scalia. It doesn't need another.
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