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The Case Against Perpetual Copyright:

In a New York Times op ed, Claremont Institute fellow Mark Helprin argues that we should have copyright laws that give the owners perpetual rights in their intellectual property. In my view, his proposal is deeply flawed. If it had been in force throughout our history, Shakespeare's heirs could presumably forbid any performances of his plays by groups that refuse to give the Bard's descendants a share of the take. As VC readers know, I'm a strong supporter of property rights; this proposal, however, is a bridge too far. Helprin defends his idea by analogy to real property:

What if, after you had paid the taxes on earnings with which you built a house, sales taxes on the materials, real estate taxes during your life, and inheritance taxes at your death, the government would eventually commandeer it entirely? This does not happen in our society ... to houses. Or to businesses. . .

Once the state has dipped its enormous beak into the stream of your wealth and possessions they are allowed to flow from one generation to the next. . .

That is, unless you own a copyright. Were I tomorrow to write the great American novel (again?), 70 years after my death the rights to it, though taxed at inheritance, would be stripped from my children and grandchildren.

Helprin also argues that perpetual copyright is compatible with the Constitution's Copyright Clause, which grants Congress the power to establish intellectual property rights. There are several major problems with Helprin's argument. He fails to consider key differences between intellectual and physical property. Moreover, his proposal is probably unconstitutional.

I. The Difference Between Physical Property and Intellectual Property.

Helprin ignores the crucial difference between copyright and physical property. Property rights in land and physical possessions protect assets that will lose much of their value if anyone is allowed to use them at any time or if the government can expropriate them at will. For example, if anyone could come and use a house anytime they wanted to, that home would lose much of its utility, since the ability to exclude others is a major part of the value of a house. No one could live in the house in safety and privacy, because they could be disrupted by squatters at any time. Economists refer to such goods as ones subject to "rivalrous" consumption. If I use the good, that makes it difficult or impossible for others to use it at the same time. As a result, all of society benefits from having clear rules that assign the right to physical property to individual owners who can exclude others from using the property without the owners' consent.

By contrast, if you "use" the phrases or ideas in one of my articles, that doesn't prevent anyone else (including me) from using them at the same time. Unlike property rights in physical objects, property rights in ideas actually undermine our ability to use resources in a productive manner rather than further it. The "consumption" of ideas is norivalrous.

Moreover, unlike rights to physical property, copyright and other intellectual property rights impose major restrictions on the ability of others to use their own physical property. I cannot use my property to reprint copyrighted works or incorporate patented inventions in a new product design. This too, is a significant difference between intellectual and real property, and a good reason for limiting the scope of the former more than the latter.

II. Why Perpetual Copyright is Unconstitutional.

Finally, Helprin's proposal is probably unconstitutional. The Copyright Clause does not give Congress the power to create perpetual copyright. Instead, it only gives it the power "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries." Helprin tries to get around this wording by claiming that Congress could simply "extend at will the term of copyright," and do so repeatedly. However, he ignores the fact that constitutional text allows Congress to create intellectual property rights only in so far as they "promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts." Copyright can only be extended if doing so furthers the creation of useful ideas and inventions. In cases such as Eldred v. Ashcroft, the Supreme Court has (in my view mistakenly) given Congress substantial deference in determining whether an extension of the copyright time limit really is needed to "promote . . . progress." However, even a deferential Court might recoil from a plan to extend copyright forever. Not only is perpetual copyright not needed to promote innovation, it is likely to actually impede it by making it more difficult to create new works that build on copyrighted ideas and images from old ones.

UPDATE: For a detailed analysis of the ways in which indefinite extension of copyright would undermine innovation more than promote it, see this amicus brief in the Eldred case, authored by 17 prominent economists from across the political spectrum.

UPDATE #2: James Grimmelman of Prawfsblawg rounds up critical reaction to Helprin's piece from various other legal scholar/bloggers.

UPDATE #3: For a more detailed explanation of the reasons why perpetual copyright is unconstitutional, see this excellent article by Glenn Reynolds/Instapundit and Robert Merges. As Glenn notes in a recent e-mail to me, some of the reasoning of this article was rejected by the Supreme Court in its Eldred decision. In my view, however (not to mention Glenn's!), the Court got it wrong. In any event, even Eldred does not explicitly endorse completely unlimited copyright extension.

Truth Seeker:
Copyright law has been hijacked by special interests. The reason for the last extension was that Mickey Mouse was about to expire. And can you believe that every time someone in a movie or restaurant sings Happy Birthday, the heirs of the guy who wrote that inane few lines need to get paid?
Copyright need to be shortened, not lengthened. Making heirs rich is not something that promotes creativity. (And I say that as the author of 60+ books.)
5.21.2007 12:07am
Truth Seeker:
The music industry's monopoly on hit songs (based on high cost of pressing vinyl and getting air time) is over. Eventually, talented bands will offer their work free or cheap and someone will aggregate it one one site that will rank it by quality and we will all download it for free or cheap.
Maybe someone will find a way to aggregate good writing that people do for free. Wikipedia comes close. And the best thing about Wiki is you can look up things that are not in a real encyclopedia like rock bands, TV characters, slogans and slang, and find the answer to everything you could ever ask.
5.21.2007 12:14am
JB:
Also, don't copyright holders not pay property taxes on their IP? If they're arguing for all of the protections of real property, they should have to pay all the costs as well.
5.21.2007 12:38am
Ahmad Arturos:
Copyright holders will be taxed on the earnings from the sales of their IP though. If I authored a book and make income from sales of the book I will owe the IRS.

I think the real issue is the denial of creative expression to the public domain. If a corporation can appropriate Miles Davis, Mark Twain, Hemingway, Bukowski, the Dukes of Hazard, and Sly Stone for an eternity, our society will suffer a banality implosion. There is a no creative spark under the sun; all we know, think, feel, and express is a composite of every sensory impulse we have ever received.

In closing I would like to give a big FU to Sonny Bono and his crass, although successful, attempt to extend copyright to protect his own vested interests and that of Hollywood, Disney, and the other money grubbing bastards. I love free markets and liberty, except when my Constitution mandates otherwise.

Johnny
5.21.2007 1:40am
James Fulford (mail):
When this comes up, I think of Macaulay's 1841 speech. His opponent, Mr. Serjeant Talford, had called for an extension of copyright from twenty years to sixty.


I will take an example. Dr Johnson died fifty-six years ago. If the law were what my honourable and learned friend wishes to make it, somebody would now have the monopoly of Dr Johnson's works.

Who that somebody would be it is impossible to say; but we may venture to guess. I guess, then, that it would have been some bookseller, who was the assign of another bookseller, who was the grandson of a third bookseller, who had bought the copyright from Black Frank, the doctor's servant and residuary legatee, in 1785 or 1786.

Now, would the knowledge that this copyright would exist in 1841 have been a source of gratification to Johnson? Would it have stimulated his exertions? Would it have once drawn him out of his bed before noon? Would it have once cheered him under a fit of the spleen? Would it have induced him to give us one more allegory, one more life of a poet, one more imitation of Juvenal? I firmly believe not. I firmly believe that a hundred years ago, when he was writing our debates for the Gentleman's Magazine, he would very much rather have had twopence to buy a plate of shin of beef at a cook's shop underground. Considered as a reward to him, the difference between a twenty years' and sixty years' term of posthumous copyright would have been nothing or next to nothing.

But is the difference nothing to us? I can buy Rasselas for sixpence; I might have had to give five shillings for it. I can buy the Dictionary, the entire genuine Dictionary, for two guineas, perhaps for less; I might have had to give five or six guineas for it. Do I grudge this to a man like Dr Johnson? Not at all. Show me that the prospect of this boon roused him to any vigorous effort, or sustained his spirits under depressing circumstances, and I am quite willing to pay the price of such an object, heavy as that price is. But what I do complain of is that my circumstances are to be worse, and Johnson's none the better; that I am to give five pounds for what to him was not worth a farthing.[A SPEECH DELIVERED IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS ON THE 5TH OF FEBRUARY 1841 by Thomas Babington Macaulay]
5.21.2007 1:48am
Mark F. (mail):
Moreover, unlike rights to physical property, copyright and other intellectual property rights impose major restrictions on the ability of others to use their own physical property.

Ilya:

This would seem to be an argument against ~any~ intellectual property rights. What makes holders of "intellectual property" so special that they get different rules than holders of physical property?

See N. Stephan Kinsella's case against all intellectual property:

http://www.mises.org/journals/jls/15_2/15_2_1.pdf

Isn't the pro-intellectual property rights position primarily a utilitarian one, which is something a libertarian ought to be very uncomfortable with? The "greatest good for the greatest number" is highly subjective and cannot be made into some formula. It is also a concept that has also been used to justify every atrocity and injustice known to mankind.
5.21.2007 1:57am
JB:
Ahmad: That's income tax, though. If you own a house and rent it out, you're taxed on the rental income, but also on the value of the house. What you're describing is akin to the taxes on the rental income. I'm arguing that if copyright is extended indefinitely in imitation of real property, the IP so governed should be taxed as real property, whether or not income is derived from it.
5.21.2007 2:03am
scote (mail):
Good grief, Mark Helprin hasn't thought through this at all. If copyright were infinite all new words would be copyright forever. Language, art and all expression would be permanently stagnated. Infinite copyright is a veritable Vesuvius of destruction to all creativity which would freeze us in our current state like volcanic ash did Pompeii.

Mark Helprin may not be stupid but he sure does excellent impression of being a complete idiot.
5.21.2007 2:42am
Frater Plotter:
Spider Robinson's short story "Melancholy Elephants" says a great deal of what needs to be said about the effect of perpetual copyright on creativity.

Read it.
5.21.2007 2:44am
Lior:
A simple point needs to be made: that extending the term of copyright for works already published cannot in any way "promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts". If anything, it impedes progress by reducing the incentive of authors to create new works. That members of Congress voted for bills to do just that shows the extent to which honesty and intellectual rigor count in Washington. Persumably that reflect the preferences of the voters.
5.21.2007 7:29am
The Real Bill (mail):
Should Mark Helprin pay royalties to the inventors of the words he uses? The pens he writes with? The paper he writes on? Should musicians pay royalties to the inventors of the instruments they play? To the inventors of music itself?!

Mark Helprin has a tiny mind.
5.21.2007 7:33am
TechieLaw (mail) (www):
Landes &Posner have written a fantastic study detailing the economic benefits of perpetual copyright which basically concludes that perpetual copyright is only worthwhile if there is some cost to the owner which forces them to evaluate whether the copyright still has economic value. According to their study, most copyrights are worthless within 15 years, and an infinitessimal minority still have value after 100.
5.21.2007 8:37am
AK (mail):
So then intellectual property would be subject to easements, the rule against perpetuities, and all that other stuff we learned for the MBE and since forgot?
5.21.2007 8:58am
John Bergmayer (mail):
Similar to what TechieLaw wrote: The market value between land in fee simple and land with a term of years for something like 500 years is practically nil. (It might be harder to sell the term of years land than the fee simple land for all sorts of reasons. But the value of the reversion is nearly zero. Looking at the value of the reversion is a better way to judge the value of this sort of land because fewer psychological barriers get in the way.)

It makes no sense to extend property rights out beyond a point by which the very legal framework is likely to have changed.
5.21.2007 9:29am
byomtov (mail):
Lawrence Lessig's book on this topic, Free Culture, does a very good job of describing the problems created by already too long copyrights.
5.21.2007 9:35am
dafydd (mail) (www):
Frater Plotter mentioned "Melancholy Elephants," by Spider Robinson. Mr. Robinson has made it available online, for free.
5.21.2007 10:05am
JB:
Taxing copyrights as real property would provide this cost to the owner--if the taxes are more than the income from licensing, they'll be pressured to let the copyright lapse.
5.21.2007 10:47am
eforhan (mail):
Interestingly, Slashdot has a link today to a 10-minute movie explaining copyrights. The unique part is they use ~only~ Disney outtakes to do it:

A Fair(y) Use Tale by Eric Faden
5.21.2007 12:57pm
Another Steve (mail):
Presumably tax on real property is based (roughly) on the market value of the land, etc. in question. But what's the market value of a copyright that's effectively worthless?
5.21.2007 1:02pm
New World Dan (www):
Another Steve,

The answer there is to tax the copyright based on its age. The older it is, the higher the tax. This creates a progressive incentive to release copyrights to the public domain. Someone above linked to a paper by Landes and Posner. Very worth reading.
5.21.2007 1:25pm
KeithK (mail):
Mr. Helprin's argument could just as easily be applied to patents. Patents are intellectual property just as copyrights. Why should we strip the property out of the hands of inventors simply because sufficent time has passed? Shouldn't we allow (for example) a pharmaceutical company to reap the rewards of its investment in a new life saving drug for all time? To do anything else would be to strip shareholders of their valuable property.

The world would be a much poorer place with unlimited patents and copyrights.
5.21.2007 1:53pm
John Anderson:
I have heard, a number of times, that there are only seven basic plots. Helprin's ideal would have only seven works in existence, with royalties to the (billions of) descendants of a few late-Iron-Age authors.

OTOH, he would have kept Disney from getting started. Not only did Walt and Co. take, without compensation, from the works of the Grimms [well, they in turn "stole" their tales from grannies who told them stories] but often used then-cultural materials (notably, "Steamboat Willie" traded on - if not stole from - Buster Keaton's "Steamboat Bill, Jr.").

Physical property becomes lessened if shared/distributed: intellectual property usually becomes enlarged if so treated. Copyright is a compromise.
5.21.2007 2:20pm
Bruce:
There's no copyright in individual words, no matter what the term length, so that argument doesn't work.

Also, Helprin admits that broad plot outlines can't be copyrighted, only specific expression, so that argument doesn't work either.

On the "houses are rivalrous and novels aren't" argument, houses aren't *that* rivalrous. The privacy aspect is destroyed the minute a stranger enters, but the shelter value will be undiminished until the house becomes too crowded to enter. Should houses get less property rights protection than, e.g., food?
5.21.2007 4:03pm
Syd (mail):
That is, unless you own a copyright. Were I tomorrow to write the great American novel (again?), 70 years after my death the rights to it, though taxed at inheritance, would be stripped from my children and grandchildren.

So what? Your children and grandchildren have seventy years to profit from something that they had no hand in making. Isn't that enough?

Imagine how technology would stagnate if we had perpetual patents.
5.21.2007 5:44pm
scote (mail):

"There's no copyright in individual words, no matter what the term length, so that argument doesn't work. "


Indeed, I inadvertently slipped on a slippery slope and expanded Helprin's proposal... It is odd, though, that one can copyright 3 notes or a minute of silence of silence but not the assemblage of letters and sounds that create a new word. Perhaps Helprin will address this deficiency of copyright law in a future article.
5.21.2007 7:08pm
Guest12345:
The strongest case I can see for copyright is that there isn't a raging flow of new public domain works(*). Nothing stops people from putting their work into the public domain. As such, you'd think that if there was no benefit to copyright (as understood now) creators would be producing their product and giving it immediately into the public domain. Since that isn't happening, it seems clear that copyright protections matter to the people who are making our culture.

As far as perpetual copyright, probably not. But certainly as long as somebody is willing to sustain a work, they should be able to control it. Mickey Mouse is valuable to the masses because Disney makes the effort.

With regards to taxes, etc. We pay taxes on our houses, but we don't pay taxes on our shoes or cars (eg. you can own a car without ever paying any tax on it over sales tax.)
5.21.2007 7:13pm
HankP (mail):
This is too funny - Swan Lake by Mark Helprin. I'm guessing perpetual copyright is a great idea - starting NOW.
5.21.2007 7:22pm
Guest12345:
So what? Your children and grandchildren have seventy years to profit from something that they had no hand in making. Isn't that enough?


That by itself is an amazingly poor argument. There are buildings over one hundred years old that are still making money for the owners. There are coins that were minted hundreds or thousands of years ago that make money for the owners. And if you wanted to make the argument that people don't have the right to exploit something they had no hand in making, why should anybody be allowed to own empty land?
5.21.2007 7:23pm
TechieLaw (mail) (www):
Guest12345:

Unlike real property, the whole point behind intellectual property is to grant the creator a *limited* monopoly for the purposes of encouraging creation. Once that monopoly has done its job -- encouraging creation -- its job is done. In fact, this is explicit in the Constitution. Even though Eldred basically held that the upper limits of this were a political question, economic arguments that somebody has had "enough" profit are not "an amazingly poor argument" when taken in the context of the very purpose of IP. It is extremely well known and proven that adding additional time to copyright protection does virtually nothing to encourage more creation. Unfortunately, in fact, additional time may very well stifle creativity by locking up works for longer times and increasing the chances that they are forever lost to history.
5.21.2007 8:06pm
markm (mail):
If eternal copyright had been in effect all along:

Disney couldn't have cribbed Snow White and many other stories from the Brothers Grimm, not even by paying royalties to the Grimm's heirs or assigns because the Grimm's could never have tracked down the rights to old tales and obtained permission to publish their works in the first place.

Shakespeare would have been bankrupted by lawsuits over cribbing major portions of his plots from older writers - and Chaucer, Sophocles, and Homer would have had it even worse. Not that the originators or their distant heirs would have received anything from these cases but huge legal bills from eternal proceedings attempting to determine the true originators...

And so on. Most of our culture isn't original, but in some way derivatory. Even really original works generally consist of a mixture of originality and pieces derived from older works, so the more stuff becomes copyrighted, the more creation is choked off.

I would accept a copyright limited by the owner's willingness to pay a renewal fee at regular intervals, if at 20 years or so they became large enough that corporations could only afford to routinely renew exceptionally valuable properties. This could be better than a fixed term copyright, that gives equal protection to a Harlequin novel as to great literature. A suggested fee schedule:

-First application: Just a filing fee to cover the cost of putting the work in the database. (And I do mean the entire work goes in the database, without copy protection - so that when the copyright is allowed to lapse, there will be a copy of it available to the public domain.)
-10 year renewal: $10,000
-20 year renewal: $50,000
-Every ten years after this, the fee grows by $50,000

And of course, inflation-index the fees. Disney could still protect their "classic" animated works at a small percentage of what they could make by keeping them on the market - but I doubt they would hold them off the market for a generation, as they seem to have been doing. Individual authors would be little affected - mostly they live from advance to advance, and what happens to their work in even ten years matters little.
5.21.2007 8:11pm
Guest12345:
...economic arguments that somebody has had "enough" profit are not "an amazingly poor argument" when taken in the context of the very purpose of IP.


I wasn't commenting on profiting enough. I was commenting on descendants of creators profiting from their progenitors works.
5.21.2007 11:31pm
Lior:
Guest12345:
I wasn't commenting on profiting enough. I was commenting on descendants of creators profiting from their progenitors works.


Let me try to put things this way. Society benefits from access to works of art: I can print new editions of plays by Shakespeare and sell them; I can print modern translations of works of Shakespeare and sell these; I can perform the plays, recite the sonnets and charge admission fees; I can make movies
(or piano sontats) using the characters, plot elements, or just pieces of the dialog. I can also publish an illustrated edition. Now the important thing about such works is that me doing these things does not interefere with anyone else's ability to do the same (including Shakespeare's heirs ability to do them). In other words, society as a whole gains when everyone can enjoy and use existing works of art their own way.

Why should I give a whit about the author's heirs (or even the author himself) making or not making money off the work? My goal is to enjoy Shakespeare's plays, and prehaps to make my own money off them. Any benefits to Shakespeare are incidental as far as I'm concerned. Of course, the catch is that if anyone can immediately print my own edition of Shakespeare's popular new play, Shakespeare will make little money off it (in a free market, the marginal cost of the product equal the marginal cost of production, independently of the sunk cost of product development).

From this comes copyright, a voluntary concession by me (and everyone else) that we will refrain from doing several things we could otherwise easily do in order for the author to be able to recoup his investment in creating the work. Note that we (society) are balancing costs here: we are willing to tolerate this legally created monopoly to compenstate the author just enough to motivate him to create the work, but no beyond — we'd like to eventually get to use the work ourselves too!

If an author would write a book given 30 year copyright protection, why should the critical (or unauthorized) editions have to wait 70 years after his death? I want to read the critical edition even if the author disapproves of the criticism. Should I have to literally wait forever (in a world of perpetual copyright)? Of course, the descendants of an author should inherit any rights he has, but only to the extent that such rights are needed to get the author to write in the first place.

The worst injustice related to this is when copyright terms are extended for works that are already been written. Since the author already wrote the work based on a contract with society (we refrain from copying for X years, in return for getting to read the book right away), extending the term won't increase the author's motivation to write books. In fact, it will decrease it: if the royalty stream from the existing book is getting extended, why write a new one?

If copyright is perpetual, why should Disney innovate and create new charcters, when they still control the old ones? I'm sure many modern artists could give us wonderful new takes on Mickey Mouse — but every time they gear up to do it, Congress seems to extend copyright again.
5.22.2007 12:48am
Guest12345:
You're addressing points I never raised in the comment you quoted. I understand everything you wrote. You do have a flaw in your logic though:

The worst injustice related to this is when copyright terms are extended for works that are already been written. Since the author already wrote the work based on a contract with society (we refrain from copying for X years, in return for getting to read the book right away), extending the term won't increase the author's motivation to write books. In fact, it will decrease it: if the royalty stream from the existing book is getting extended, why write a new one?


Copyright doesn't guarantee continued sales. The actual evidence suggests that absent ongoing investments in sustaining the work, interest wanes and sales drop off regardless of the ongoing copyright protections.
5.22.2007 1:58am
Bill Woods (mail):
Guest12345: We pay taxes on our houses, but we don't pay taxes on our shoes or cars (eg. you can own a car without ever paying any tax on it over sales tax.)

Not in California you can't.

Vehicle License Fee

Most vehicles are also assessed a Vehicle License Fee (VLF). The VLF was established by the Legislature in 1935 in lieu of a property tax on vehicles. The formula for VLF assessment established by the Legislature is based upon the purchase price of the vehicle or the value of the vehicle when acquired. The VLF decreases with each renewal for the first 11 years. The DMV returns almost all vehicle license fee revenue to the cities and counties.
5.22.2007 2:50am
TechieLaw (mail) (www):
Just a quick correction to Lior, who said:


If copyright is perpetual, why should Disney innovate and create new charcters, when they still control the old ones? I'm sure many modern artists could give us wonderful new takes on Mickey Mouse — but every time they gear up to do it, Congress seems to extend copyright again.


A character on its own is not copyrighted. When the copyright on the first Mickey Mouse cartoon expires, "Mickey Mouse" does not fall into the public domain, only that first cartoon. All other uses of Mickey Mouse are still copyrighted until their own period expires. Of course, at that point, you can probably create your own derivative work sequel to that first Mickey Mouse cartoon, but that would not permit you to use the version of Mickey Mouse in Fantasia.
5.22.2007 7:59am
Dan Moylan (mail):
This is implicit in many comments, but one plausible outcome of the proposal is a proliferation of lawsuits leading to rigidity in innovation markets, so it would become very difficult to enter a market without the risk of interfering with others' perpetual IP rights -- perhaps even unknowingly. More fundamentally, I don't see what society gets out of this proposed deal. A conventional reason for IP rights is that the private creator gets limited exclusive rights as an incentive to create and disseminate works to the public -- under that social tradeoff, the public gets some intellectual contribution that eventually it can use without limitation (and can use even now subject to limitations). Treating IP like physical property suggests a different paradigm altogether, where the first "claimant" should be able to exclude others without regard to any intellectual transfer to the public. That is, the transfer no longer provides any long-term social benefit to the public; rather, the only point is to reward the first claimant through unlimited exclusivity, as with physical property. (The only reason you might still want an intellectual transfer at all is procedural, to put the public on notice of what they can't use.) But the public would not really be getting any usable intellectual contribution -- as distinct from its getting a usable innovation, subject to the creator's exclusive rights. I think the existing system seems fundamentally sound, in that it is socially beneficial to have intellectual activities open as much as possible, subject to the important goal of giving creators adequate incentive to share their knowledge.
5.22.2007 12:22pm
Thales (mail) (www):
I disagree with Helprin entirely, but to be fair he doesn't really ignore the nonrivalrous consumption issue. Rather, he thinks it irrelevant (see his response to the Jefferson quote, which poetically gets at precisely the nonrivalrous consumption feature of ideas) and thinks that artists ought to be compensated for the fruits of their labor just as those who manufacture a chair or cultivate land are--paraphrasing his moral argument in legal terms, it is essentially that the U.S. system ought to work more like the European system of "moral rights" in IP. It's really the Lockean (and later Marxist--not sure if the Claremont Institute would like this connection, but it is an accurate pedigree) labor theory of value at work, as opposed to the commodity theory which has come to dominate economic thinking. Helprin and Ilya (and the other critics) really talk past each other.
5.22.2007 1:13pm
Thales (mail) (www):
Note: My use of the legal term moral rights in my comment is incorrect.

What I should have said instead is that Helprin is making a natural rights in IP argument, which is in the end anathema to utilitarian considerations such as Ilya's.
5.22.2007 1:50pm
obsidian (mail):
Copyright (and patents/trademarks/etc) are all more like government granted licenses (think liquor license) than they are like property. They are not natural rights; they are not exclusive; and they have a term, as well as a slew of other limitations. Calling them "intellectual property" only confuses the issue because (a) they are not property and (b) they are really very different from each other. Fair use is one of the clearest examples of how copyright is not like property rights.

Finally, "limited time" in the Constitution seems like a very specific direction that the time be limited, and in fact, probably quite short. Now that information is disseminated faster and becomes obsolete more quickly, copyrights should be shorter rather than longer. Two to five years seems like a reasonable length of time.
5.22.2007 8:55pm