Recess Appointments to the Supreme Court:

What would happen if there was another Supreme Court vacancy before January 2009 and Senate Democrats followed Senator Schumer's counsel and successfully blocked the confirmation of another Bush nominee? One possibility is that President Bush would make a recess appointment. Such action is hardly unprecedented. According to C-Span, there have been 15 recess appointments to the Supreme Court. The first was John Rutledge, who was given a recess appointment to be Chief Justice by President George Washington in 1795. As noted in this report, President Eisenhower made three recess appointments to the Court — Earl Warren, William Brennan, and Potter Stewart. Brennan, in particular, was placed on the Court in the midst of the 1956 Presidential campaign, arguably for political reasons.

I am not a fan of recess appointments to Article III courts. Nor am I a fan of Senate obstruction of judicial nominees. Whichever party wins the White House in 2008, I hope to see a de-escalation of judicial confirmation fights after January 2009, if not before. Unfortunately, remarks like Senator Schumer's on Friday — and the likely GOP response — do not bode well in this regard, and we may actually see another recess appointment to the nation's highest court.

UPDATE: Given some of the comments, I thought it was worth posting a link to this summary of my views on judicial nomination fights.

Hei Lun Chan (mail) (www):
So what happens after the recess appointment's year is over? If a Republican wins the presidency, would there be pressure to appoint that guy permanently? What about if a Democrat wins?
7.29.2007 6:50pm
AntonK (mail):
I am a fan of recess appointments to Article III courts when you've got the "loyal opposition" saying things like this:


New York Sen. Charles E. Schumer, a powerful member of the Democratic leadership, said Friday the Senate should not confirm another U.S. Supreme Court nominee under President Bush “except in extraordinary circumstances.”

“We should reverse the presumption of confirmation,” Schumer told the American Constitution Society convention in Washington. “The Supreme Court is dangerously out of balance. We cannot afford to see Justice Stevens replaced by another Roberts, or Justice Ginsburg by another Alito.”


You can hope all you want about de-escalation after the next election, but it's not going to happen and, if the Dems take the Presidency, I will insist that it doesn't.
7.29.2007 6:53pm
Clayton E. Cramer (mail) (www):

Whichever party wins the White House in 2008, I hope to see a de-escalation of judicial confirmation fights after January 2009, if not before.
Why would this happen? The reason why judicial confirmation fights are so ugly now--when they weren't before say, 1954--is that the federal courts are now a superlegislature, striking down laws that the majority wants not based on the Constitution but, "We don't like the results."

The only way for this to de-escalate is for liberals to accept that they can't always get their way in a democracy. If a law is un-Constitutional, fine, strike it down. But simply because you don't like what the voters and their elected representatives passed doesn't make it un-Constitutional.
7.29.2007 7:35pm
Tek Jansen:
Why does the legislature get all the blame? Most SC nominees are chosen for political reasons. Bush picked Roberts and Alito not just because they were qualified, but also because they were likely to decide cases in a way that Bush agrees with, just as most previous presidents have done. Politics is essential in the president's selection of a candidate, so why then should politics be ignored when the Senate evaluates such candidates?

Perhaps you think that the whole process is too politicized, but that includes presidential selection of SC candidates.
7.29.2007 7:41pm
SteveW:
I had understood that there will be no more Senate recesses until the end of Bush's term. During their breaks, the Senate will hold "pro forma" sessions, with one Senator there to bang the gavel and bring the chamber into session each day, or perhaps only once each week.

The President will probably make recess appointments anyway, arguing that the pro forma sessions are really a recess. And the Senate will probably counter that, even if that is true, the President was never intended to be able to make appointments during short recesses. Perhaps the Supreme Court will be forced to clarify what the word "recess" means.
7.29.2007 7:42pm
Garth:
Schumer is merely repeating conventional wisdom. Polls show that more and more americans think the court is too conservative. alito and roberts have been rightly criticized for appearing to violate their "promises" to senators and they are being portrayed, rightly, as turning further to the right when this country is becoming more and more progressive.

"Nearly a third of the public — 31 percent — thinks the court is too far to the right, a noticeable jump since the question was last asked in July 2005. That's when Bush nominated John Roberts to the court and, in the six-month period that followed, the Senate approved Roberts as chief justice and confirmed Justice Samuel Alito.

The increasingly polarized court this year moved to uphold restraints on abortion, restrict student speech rights and limit the ability of school districts to use race in student assignments.

The public seems to have noticed the shift. The percentage who said the court is "too conservative" grew from 19 percent to 31 percent in the past two years, while those who said it is "generally balanced in its decisions" declined from 55 percent to 47 percent." WaPo 7/28/07


Why not also note that Specter intends to investigate whether the good Justices were less than candid? He claims to feel misled by their testimony, both public and private.

Particularly galling is the stark partisan 5-4 votes from a man who was held up as a uniter, not a divider. Most Americans don't understand the legal underpinnings of the courts fractured opinions, but they can see the results...

and they don't like them.

as for a recess appointment, it would be the perfect FU coming from this President.
7.29.2007 7:43pm
Cornellian (mail):
The only way for this to de-escalate is for liberals to accept that they can't always get their way in a democracy.

Conservatives, on the other hand, need not accept this proposition . . .
7.29.2007 7:48pm
DrGrishka (mail):
31% think that. That means 69% don't. It also means that not even all Democrats view the court as "too conservative."
7.29.2007 7:50pm
Garth:
remove the rhetoric and you hear Schumer saying, in the past we didn't have the votes to block nominations like Alito and Roberts, but, elections have consequences and in the future WH nominess better be acceptable to the party in power in Congress.

i think it's worked this way more often than not.
7.29.2007 7:56pm
Prosecutorial Indiscretion:
That 31% of Americans is the result of hard work by Senator Schumer and his allies at places like PFAW. And even then, it's not even a third of the country. Something like 20% of America thinks the Court remains too liberal.

Rather than look at which way the ideological wind is blowing on the Court, the better approach is to say that the Court may be too conservative, or it may be too liberal, but in either case it is too important. More robust deference to elected officials is the only way this situation will de-escalate.
7.29.2007 8:05pm
Garth:
"The specter of "liberal activist judges" is still a strong rallying point for conservatives, despite the fact that, because of the Republican hold on the White House, seven of the nine justices on the Supreme Court were appointed by Republican presidents and GOP appointees are in the majority on 10 of the 13 U.S. courts of appeals.

Aron and Neas(PFAW) note that it was conservative anger over court decisions that fueled the right's interest in the federal courts, and they hope that this term's decisions similarly upset activists on the left. "Before, it was hypothetical," Neas said."

The Rehnquist Court will be perceived as less radical than the Roberts Court and people will blame Roberts, Alito and Bush.

I predict public satisfaction with SCOTUS will continue to fall and a concerted Democratic effort will be made to mitigate the worst of their decisions and nudge the system back into balance. If it began falling as the Roberts/Alito decisions were slowly revealed, I'm not sure it's stopped.
7.29.2007 8:27pm
frankcross (mail):
Historically, I think it's pretty rare for a President to get a nomination in the final 12-18 months of the presidency. Those instances tend to be blocked until the election. LBJ's attempt to elevate Homer Thornberry, for example.
7.29.2007 8:27pm
Joshua Holmes (mail) (www):
The stakes in the Supreme Court are very high, so I don't see why there wouldn't be serious fights over judicial confirmations.
7.29.2007 8:33pm
blackdoggerel (mail):
I love polls that gauge what the American public thinks of the Supreme Court. The American public, 90% of which couldn't name a single Justice and probably doesn't even know that the judiciary is a separate branch from the legislative and executive ones.

I also love people who are ignorant of history. Do people really think this is the first time there has been ideological anger at the Supreme Court? Do the words "Impeach Earl Warren" mean anything to anybody? Oh brother. Schumer (and Specter, for that matter) is small potatoes compared to the grass-roots anger of the 1960s.

On a side note, I suppose Senator Schumer would agree that a GOP senator in 1995 would be right to agree not to vote for any future Clinton SCt nominee, correct? After all, judging by the 1994 election results, the country was clearly becoming more conservative, so the prevoius nomination of two liberal Justices (Ginsburg and Breyer) was out of step with the nation, correct? Because that seems to be the exact same analog to today's case, at least under Schumer's curious logic.
7.29.2007 8:43pm
Paul Karl Lukacs (mail) (www):
I hope to see a de-escalation of judicial confirmation fights after January 2009, if not before.

I hope to see Eva Mendes slink into my bedroom carrying a dusty bottle of 1990 Haut-Brion.

And I think my hope has a better chance of happening than Adler's hope.
7.29.2007 9:31pm
Greedy Clerk (mail):
Clayton, I admire your honesty. Picking 1954 as the year in which everything went wrong; the year that the Supreme Court decided Brown. So Clayton, do you also regret the passage of the 13th Amendment? Jerk.
7.29.2007 9:42pm
byomtov (mail):
Nor am I a fan of Senate obstruction of judicial nominees.

Why not? The very use of the word "obstruction" suggests that you think it is illegitimate for the Senate to block nominees. But suppose the President puts forward an unacceptable nominee. Is it the Senate or the President who is "obstructing" the filling of a vacancy?

Whne there is a dispute over a nomination, or over legislation, either side can give in. So either both are "obstructionist" or neither is.
7.29.2007 10:07pm
Elliot123 (mail):
Garth: "Particularly galling is the stark partisan 5-4 votes from a man who was held up as a uniter, not a divider."

What party do the 5 represent? What party do the 4 represent? Can you list the party representation for each of the nine?
7.29.2007 10:17pm
Garth:
as measured by votes, the cultural conservatives are represented by the S.T.A.R. Chamber and sometimes Kennedy, the remainder are slightly more progressive as measured by results.

and thank you Elliot for asking that because it's a good point. this is not a progressive/conservative division, but a conservative/conservative division in many respects.

with the cultural conservatives, appointed by other cultural conservatives who hold minority views on income distribution, affirmative action, abortion, police power, the death penalty and religion. as noted by me above, these attitudes are at odds with mainstream america.
7.29.2007 10:31pm
David M. Nieporent (www):
Why not? The very use of the word "obstruction" suggests that you think it is illegitimate for the Senate to block nominees. But suppose the President puts forward an unacceptable nominee.
But Schumer didn't say he'd vote against unacceptable nominees; he said he'd vote against GOP nominees.
7.29.2007 11:42pm
JWB (mail):
Isn't this whole debate a red herring? The two parties and the media are up in arms about whether the Dems will let Bush appoint a SCt justice, and about whether Bush has his short list ready to go. THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE AN OPENING!

The real story is the Courts of Appeals, where the Dems have decided to sit on Bush's nominees, possibly for the rest of the term. We've got three openings down here in the 5th, and if they stay empty until the next election, the Circuit could go from perhaps the most conservative in the country to fairly liberal. It would be a remarkable shift, and the results of Death Penalty appeals would change almost immediately.

We should be talking about the Circuits, where there's action happening, and remember that Supreme Court vacancies are a rare beast. There wasn't an opening from 1994-2005, and there's not likely to be another one for at least 3-4 more years, until well after the next election. The Court won't have an opportunity to move left again for at least another decade. (Unless Scalia smokes himself into the grave.)

Oh, and if Republicans win the presidency, they'll get their justices. You can't sit on a nominee for 4 years...
7.30.2007 12:50am
William Spieler (mail) (www):
I plan on writing Bush a nice letter should another opening on the Supreme Court open to ask that I be given a recess appointment to the Supreme Court, as I could really use the resume booster of Supreme Court Justice, summer 2008. I wouldn't even expect him to submit my name to the Senate when it gets off recess.
7.30.2007 12:53am
Duffy Pratt (mail):
Has anyone ever challenged a recess appointment of an Article 3 judge? A judge appointed temporarily may not be an Article 3 judge. If not, it seems to me that a litigant would have cause to complain about any case decided by a non-Article 3 judge.

I realize that there have been recess appointments of judges in the past. But that doesn't mean its necessarily right. And it seems to me that there is some tension between the clause allowing the Pres to make recess appointments, and the constitutional requirement that Article 3 judges have life tenure.
7.30.2007 12:59am
Realist Liberal:
Duffy~
Yes, a couple of people actually tried to challenge William Pryor's appointment to the 11th Circuit but it didn't work.
7.30.2007 1:30am
Vinegar Hill:
Nothing's going to happen until '08 except recess appointments &Republicans may talk Bush out of these because some of them are scared of being pounded by the MSM &not getting re-elected themselves.

After '08

(1) If we have a Republican Pres &a Dem Senate, this war will go on.

(2) If we have a Dem Pres &Dem Senate, the MSM will have a story every day about justice being delayed for ordinary citizens, the ordinary citizens they'll parade for the public. Republicans will roll over.

(3) If we have a Republican Pres &a Republican Senate but such Republican majority is less than 60-40, will the Republicans throw out the “60 votes needed to stop a faux filibuster rule”? Don't bet on it. And bet on the MSM not having any story about justice being delayed for ordinary citizens, none of whom they'll parade for the public.
7.30.2007 1:38am
David M. Nieporent (www):
I realize that there have been recess appointments of judges in the past. But that doesn't mean its necessarily right. And it seems to me that there is some tension between the clause allowing the Pres to make recess appointments, and the constitutional requirement that Article 3 judges have life tenure.
There might be a conflict between those two provisions you describe; the problem is that the second one is an inaccurate description of the constitution. Article 3 says that judges "shall hold their Offices during good Behavior," which doesn't by itself describe a length of tenure.
7.30.2007 2:00am
Ken Hahn (mail):
Let's see. The current court has two extreme leftists ( Ginzberg and Stevens ), two middle of the pack liberals ( Souter and Breyer ), one moderate leftist (Kennedy ), two centerists ( Roberts and Alito ) and two moderate conservatives ( Thomas and Scalia ). Please explain how that lineup is in any way conservative.

Liberals love to redefine the center as their current position even as that position moves constantly left. The Roberts court is to the right of Ted Kennedy and the New York Times, so left wing hate groups like PFAW will attack it. It is still left of center. The Democrats have escalated this conflict to point of no return. Any Republican Senator who fails to hold up any Democratic President's nominees to any court will be looking for work.
7.30.2007 2:12am
paul (mail):
"with the cultural conservatives, appointed by other cultural conservatives who hold minority views on income distribution, affirmative action, abortion, police power, the death penalty and religion. as noted by me above, these attitudes are at odds with mainstream america."

So if the cultural conservatives views are at odds with mainstream america on these issues, why doesn't mainstream america enact legislation that reflects its views. Restrictions on abortion are not enacted by the Supreme Court--they are enacted by the legislature. Ditto laws regarding the death penalty, police power, religion and income distribution. For the most part, the only area among the ones you list where the Supreme Court has restricted hands of the legislature is in the area of affirmative action and even there the executive and legislative branches are given significant wiggle room by the swing justices.
So, for example, if mainstream America opposes restrictions on partial-birth abortions, shouldn't actions be directed against the Senators and Congressmen who enacted the restrictions rather than against the Justices who allowed the restrictions to stand?
7.30.2007 10:04am
byomtov (mail):
But Schumer didn't say he'd vote against unacceptable nominees; he said he'd vote against GOP nominees.

Not quite. He said that future Bush nominees are quite likely, though not 100% certain, to be unacceptable.
7.30.2007 11:14am
WHOI Jacket:
Paul, but that would require proving that those are, in fact, "mainstream" views.
7.30.2007 11:42am
Observer (mail):
The Democrats better plan on controlling 60 seats in the Senate after the 2008 or whoever the new Democratic president is will not get any of his or her judicial appointments approved, whether DC, AC or SC.
7.30.2007 11:44am
Mr. Impressive (mail):
David M. Nieporent,

You are correct about the language of the Constitution, but that does not change the substance of the point.

Recess appointments do not hold their seats "during good Behavior" but rather lose them at a set time regardless of how they behave.
7.30.2007 12:04pm
Grange95 (mail):
Ken Hahn wrote:


Let's see. The current court has two extreme leftists ( Ginzberg and Stevens ), two middle of the pack liberals ( Souter and Breyer ), one moderate leftist (Kennedy ), two centerists ( Roberts and Alito ) and two moderate conservatives ( Thomas and Scalia ). Please explain how that lineup is in any way conservative.


Hmmm, I think most court commentators would shift those categorizations to the right. Ginsburg and Stevens are unquestionably liberal, but I'm not sure they are "extreme leftists". Stevens was appointed by a Republican and was probably a centrist during his early years on the court, while Ginsburg was appointed by Pres. Clinton, a moderate Democrat. Both appear to be very liberal in contrast to the current makeup of the Court, but that doesn't make them "extremists". Breyer and Souter are generally regarded as center-left justices, Kennedy is generally regarded as center-right, while Alito and Roberts are generally regarded as mainstream conservatives (Federalist Society ring any bells?). Scalia and Thomas are unabashedly proud to be highly conservative. I don't want to use a loaded word like "extreme", but they are unquestionably and solidly conservative. In fact, Scalia and Thomas were almost always even more conservative than Chief Justice Rehnquist during the time they served on the Court together.

I think any fair discussion of the Court's current political composition has to honestly acknowledge that the Court became fairly moderate to conservative following the appointments of Scalia, Thomas, and Kennedy (and the departures of ultra-liberal stalwarts Brennan and Marshall). The Court has recently shifted to a more reliably conservative posture with the appointments of Roberts and Alito (and the departure of centrist O'Connor). All that being said, I think having justices with a wide range of political backgrounds on the Court is valuable for the discussion and development of the law. I'm also not a supporter of blocking nominees just for the sake of blocking them, or only because they are thought to be "liberal" or "conservative". But please, let's at least be honest in ackowledging the political leanings of the present Court as well as the impact of future nominees on the Court's political temperment.
7.30.2007 12:05pm
Garth:
let's not forget that the S.T.A.R. chamber faction are all Opus Dei members who believe firmly in the mixing of Church and state. that's right Scalia, Thomas (who was converted by Father Scalia, J.Scalia's son), Alito and Roberts are all members of a radical religous group.

Religion and politics have always been dangerous bedfellows. Christian fundamentalists have brought a backward looking, anti-scientific movement into US politics. The rise of militant Islamic parties has reintroduced theocratic notions that were thought to have died with the Dark Ages. But there is another, less publicised movement that has been quietly pushing at the doors of power on five continents. Opus Dei, the controversial organisation at the heart of the Roman Catholic Church, is seeking to recreate an alliance between the spiritual and secular worlds that was last attempted during the Renaissance - with catastrophic results. - the Guardian 10/10/1997
7.30.2007 1:12pm
Ex parte McCardle:
Ken Hahn's description of the ideological positions of the members of the Court reminds me of those radio yakkers who think of George W. Bush as "center-left" because (according to them) he's for "big government" and "amnesty" etc.
7.30.2007 1:12pm
Bill Dyer (mail) (www):
Prof. Adler, your suggestion that both sides have been equally guilty of opposing the others' judges on ideological grounds is simply wrong.

It's only even arguably true at the district and circuit court levels, and then only for a comparatively short portion of the Clinton Administration. Even at that level, though, there's not comparable fault to find: Shortly after he took office, President Bush re-nominated Roger L. Gregory, a Clinton recess appointee, to a permanent seat on the Fourth Circuit as a deliberate peace gesture, and Gregory was promptly and overwhelmingly confirmed by the Senate on July 20, 2001. But that gesture was utterly spurned by Senate Democrats, who proceeded to historic new levels of obstructionism ever since.

At the vastly more important SCOTUS level, one need only compare the confirmation votes of Clinton nominees Ginsberg (96/3!) and Breyer (87/9) to Bush-41 nominee Thomas (52/48) and Bush-43 nominees Roberts (78/22) and Alito (58/42) to dispel any doubt about which side has been more guilty of voting based on ideology. By any reasonable, objective standard, Chief Justice Roberts was at least as well qualified and scandal-free as Justice Ginsberg. That fully half of the Senate Democrats nevertheless voted against Chief Justice Roberts' confirmation simply explodes any notion that they were concerned with "fitness" in any other sense but ideology.
7.30.2007 1:29pm
Garth:
i should say, in Robert's case only suspected, opus dei membership but a minimum of strong ties.
7.30.2007 1:32pm
Garth:
the difference is that when Clinton nominated his SCOTUS choices, they had to be confirmed by a Republican controlled congress. his choices were deliberately made to ensure passage.

in contrast, Bush's nominations were chosen to appease a culturally conservative base. He had a rubber stamp congress and all the Dems could do was protest by voting Nay.

what i think is historically unusual is a modern president appointing SCOUTUS picks by a Party controlled congress.

this explains the votes.
7.30.2007 1:36pm
Bill Dyer (mail) (www):
Garth: You think Clinton picked the long-time (1973-1980) general counsel of the ACLU as a non-ideological choice?
7.30.2007 1:50pm
KeithK (mail):
the difference is that when Clinton nominated his SCOTUS choices, they had to be confirmed by a Republican controlled congress. his choices were deliberately made to ensure passage.

No. Both Breyer and Ginsberg were nominated and approved during the 103rd Cnogress (1993-94) when Democrats controlled the Senate.
7.30.2007 3:24pm
Garth:
ah, i wondered if my memory was playing me false. i recalled breyer and ginsberg were close to the 94 republican switch. sorry 'bout that.
7.30.2007 3:32pm
MartinEd (mail):
On top of my list for a recess appointment is Robert Bork.Even Chuckie Schmuckie might agree to moderate his irrational obstructionism to avoid that alternative.
It would seem that no conservative judicial candidate who truly wanted a federal judgeship in his future would ever agree to a recess appointment. So, list the conservatives who are at the end of their careers, are reliably conservative to ignore the blood lust of the ultra-left wing whackos and you've got the slate of recess appointments.
Again, I do like Bork.I don't like Scooter Libby as a federal judge but would certainly support Alberto Gonzalez and John Ashcroft for recess appointments to the Supreme Court, especially as a replacement for Justice Ginsberg.
7.30.2007 7:19pm
KeithK (mail):
Can someone refresh my memory on the rules regarding recess appointments? IIRC when making a recess appointment the president must also resubmit the nomination for the permanent position. I believe Congressional action on the nomination terminates the recess appointment one way or the other. Thus, if I'm remembering correctly, a recess appointment for Bork could be ended by a Senate vote rejecting him for that position. Presumably it would be easy for the Democrats to muster up the votes to reject a truly extreme appointee.
7.30.2007 8:25pm
NickM (mail) (www):
byomtov - voting No on a nominee isn't obstructionist. Refusing to schedule hearings, placing holds to delay consideration, refusing to schedule votes - those are obstructionist.

I have yet to see the cases that are going to make any significant number of people who aren't already dyed-in-the-wool Democrats (or Dem-aligned minor party members) extremely upset at the Roberts Court.

Upholding the federal partial birth abortion ban? Those people don't vote GOP to begin with.
Striking down the Seattle schools "racial balancing" plan? Totally off the average person's radar screen. Plus, most of the rest of the country equates that with busing.
Habeas cases of Guantanamo detainees? Kinda hard to complain when the administration has high-profile losses here.
McCain-Feingold? The ACLU isn't on your side on this one either. Good luck building a coalition.
Antitrust cases? Let me know when you find 20 non-lawyers who have any clue what the rule of reason refers to.
Death penalty cases? Most voters are supportive of the decision, and most of the rest don't care much what happens to the scumbag as long as they know he's not a danger to them anymore.
I know. You're going to get masses of Americans up in arms about whether a high school brat can be disciplined for holding up a "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" sign. In the words of Nelson from The Simpsons: Haa Haa.

Nick
7.30.2007 9:00pm
Rich Rostrom (mail):
There is nothing to prevent a Senate majority from dictating appointments to the President, by stating that only John Doe will be approved as Secretary of Widgets, or Ambassador to Elbonia, or Judge of the 23rd Circuit. This position would destroy the separation of powers, and paralyze government whenever the branches are divided. There is little difference between that and Schumer's position - which is that a Senate majority should dictate to the President on the ideological or policy positions of appointments.

The "paper trail" issue arises because even when in the minority, Democrats can count on their allies in the news media to help them drown a nominee with slander, if the nominee has ever said or written anything that can be distorted into a "wrong" sentiment.
7.30.2007 9:31pm
Larry Fafarman (mail) (www):
The whole idea that recess appointments are good until the end of the two-year term of Congress is a misinterpretation of the Constitution.

Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution says, "The President shall have power to fill up all vacancies that may happen during the recess of the Senate, by granting commissions which shall expire at the end of their next session. "

The word "next" in "next session" implies that the Framers of the Constitution meant "session" to mean the time between recesses and not the two-year term of Congress. If the Framers meant "session" to mean the latter, then the correct term would be "current session" rather than "next session." And does it make sense that the Framers would have created a major loophole for bypassing the will of the Senate by allowing these recess appointments to be valid for the remainder of the two-year term of Congress? And if the Framers intended to create such a loophole, then why are these unapproved temporary appointments restricted to the recesses?
7.31.2007 11:58pm