The Volokh Conspiracy

Felons' Right To Possess Gun in Self-Defense, and While Delivering It to the Police:

The Fourth Circuit reaffirms this, and sets aside a 15-year sentence imposed after the defendant's lawyer wrongly advised the defendant that no such defense exists, and the defendant pled guilty in reliance on that.

Unfortunately, it looks like the defendant ended up serving at least 4 years in prison because of the lawyer's error, but at least it's not 15. Thanks to How Appealing for the pointer.

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nunzio:
What are the odds the government will retry him?
8.6.2007 11:58pm
Carolina:
The case was argued (for the appellant/defendant) by a 3L from Wake Forest Univ. School of Law. Pretty impressive work for a law student.
8.7.2007 12:32am
neurodoc:
A third-year law student (MMP) from William &Mary argued it on behalf of the appellant. How often do law students represent prisoners seeking reversal of their convictions by a federal circuit court? Is that not exceptional? To me, it sounds not altogether unlike a fourth-year medical student being allowed by an irresponsible surgery resident to remove a gallbladder, something well beyond their level of training.

The panel let it happen and the appellant was successful, so the student, along with those who backed her up, did alright by her client. (Would she have been pro hac vice, though still in school and not admitted anywhere?) Not bad to start 1-0 in the Fourth against the United States of America.
8.7.2007 12:42am
Cornellian (mail):
Boy am I glad I'm not the lawyer who gave that bad advice.
8.7.2007 12:53am
therut:
Can he sue his lawyer for malpracice? How much is 4 years of his freedom worth? Will some 3rd year law student step up to the plate?
8.7.2007 12:59am
Carolina:
Neurodoc,

It was Wake Forest, not William &Mary.

Representation by law students is governed by Fourth Circuit Local Rule 46(a). Basically, the law student must work under the supervision of a supervising attorney (i.e., a professor at their law school) and representation is limited to indigent defendants.

Given the law students that do this are doing it as part of a class, and a professor is working with them, they usually spend a very significant amount of time on such cases. A pretty good deal for someone who cannot afford an attorney of their own.
8.7.2007 1:07am
Bill Poser (mail) (www):
I would think that a law student would actually be in a better position to argue an appeal than to handle a trial. Appeals are usually focussed narrowly on the law, which is what law students have studied. A felony trial, on the other hand, is typically more about facts and evidence than law and potentially requires the lawyer to handle a wider variety of situations including developments that may be quite unexpected. Obviously, one only wants well prepared students to argue appeals, but it seems to me that arguing appeals might actually be a better first step into the courtroom than a regular trial.
8.7.2007 1:50am
Kazinski:
Great to see justice done in this case. If the prosecutor retries him, I'd advise the defendent to waive a jury trial. Few district court judges are going to read this opinion and then convict, not unless they are aching for another reversal. I would hope there aren't many prosecutors that would read this opinion and think it is a good use of there resources to retry the case. But you have to wonder what kind of prosecutor would ask for 15 years with these facts when the defendent is copping a plea?
8.7.2007 2:20am
Bill Poser (mail) (www):
I am wondering why the case was prosecuted. Given that the guy actually turned up at the bar as he said he would and voluntarily turned the gun over to the police, it is hard to see why the prosecutor would doubt his story. Is the prosecutor a jackass or is there something more to this?
8.7.2007 3:07am
ScottB (mail):
There probably is more to this. It is likely the owner of the gun claimed that the defendant stole it from her for no reason. The ruling touches on this briefly, mentioning that she told the police that he was on his way to a bar with the gun after taking it from her. I am a police officer, and don't tend to have a lot of sympathy for felons with guns. However, if the defendant's story is true, this prosecution was a grave injustice.

Perhaps the defense lawyer was aware of facts which would disprove the justification. I've encountered a few federal public defenders in gun cases, and found them to be extremely good. This seems like an outrageously bad lawyer, but it's hard to know without a trial.

On a side note, the defendant must have had an impressing record of convictions to get 15 years for possessing a handgun. Federal firearm sentences are highly dependent on prior convictions and the type of weapon. I had a guy get 9 years for possession of a sawed-off shotgun and a handgun, and he had prior convictions for attempted murder with a firearm and drug dealing.
8.7.2007 4:05am
Jay:
"If the prosecutor retries him, I'd advise the defendant to waive a jury trial."

Not to be pedantic, but it doesn't work that way. There's no right to a bench trial.
8.7.2007 5:57am
Sean M:
Jay,

Admittedly, there is no /right/ to a bench trial. Which is to say the State/Feds have a right to a jury trial as well. But once the defense has waived the right to a jury trial, it becomes harder for a prosecutor to resist.

Besides, on these facts, you'd look pretty bad retrying the case, much less wanting to press it in front of a jury.
8.7.2007 6:34am
Seamus (mail):
Admittedly, there is no /right/ to a bench trial. Which is to say the State/Feds have a right to a jury trial as well. But once the defense has waived the right to a jury trial, it becomes harder for a prosecutor to resist.

Rev. Sun Myung Moon was tried by a jury, at the government's insistence after he had waived his right to a jury trial on his tax evasion charge. I'm sure the government was simply protecting Moon against his foolish disregard of his right to be tried by his peers, and never entertained any idea that those peers might be prejudiced against him.
8.7.2007 10:46am
Bryan Gates (mail) (www):
OK, it is clear (now) that the defense attorney got it wrong. But it is clear to me that the trial judge was not going to allow the justification defense if the case had gone to trial. This meant that the lawyer had a case he was nearly sure he could not win, because the judge would prohibit him from arguing justification to the jury. Then an appeal to the 4th Circuit on the justification issue, which could easily have issued a per curiam unpublished opinion holding that keeping the gun after the danger had passed forfeited the right to argue justification.
And it is the defense attorney's fault that he spent four years in prison? This case is as much ineffective judging is it is ineffective lawyering.

It is possible that the 15-year sentence was a mandatory minimum. If that was true, it is likely that there was not much of a disincentive to try the case, since the sentence would have been the same regardless of trial or guilty plea. If that were true, it does put the defense attorney's actions in a somewhat different light.

But you have to wonder what kind of prosecutor would ask for 15 years with these facts when the defendent is copping a plea?

What kind of prosecutor would do this? A typical one.

3rd year law students brief cases like this all the time. They can do excellent work. Also the supervising attorney (and law prof), John Korzen, is an outstanding federal appellate lawyer.
8.7.2007 12:54pm
Kevin P. (mail):
Why is this even a federal case? Why could this not have been prosecuted or handled at the local or state level?

Oh, right, the firearm probably traveled in interstate commerce at some point in its life.
8.7.2007 2:21pm
bud (mail):
"What kind of prosecutor would do this? A typical one."

That's probably a bit harsh. My answer is: The same kind that prosecute 13 year old boys as felons for slapping some girl's butt.

Is there some legal slang for this kind of prosecutor that would be equivalent to the cop phrase "badge heavy"?
8.7.2007 6:39pm
The Red Menace (mail):
Bud, there sure is. However, our host doesn't like us to use that kind of language.
8.7.2007 9:31pm
Brooks Lyman (mail):
Kevin P.

A bit off-topic, but all firearms are apparently considered to have "traveled in interstate commerce" which is the justification for federal laws relating to the sale of firearms, Federally Licensed Firearms Dealers, Instant Check and the whole nine yards.

When one considers the (very real, happens every day) possibility of Smith and Wesson, in Springfield, MA manufacturing a handgun and selling it to Camfour, a distributor in Westfield, MA who then proceeds to sell it to Roach's Sporting Goods in Cambridge, MA who then sells it to a licensed citizen of Massachussets (names of companies are real, for example only), one has to ask where the "interstate commerce" is....

As I understand it, the excuse (apparently legal and Constitutional, but really thin to my mind) is that, well, the steel that the handgun was made out of came from Michigan (interstate commerce) and the walnut wood the grips were made from came from California (interstate commerce) and so forth.

With this sort of thinking, how do we have any state's rights and valid state laws at all? And, given that there have been a few reversals of this sort of abuse of the Commerce Clause, one wonders whether this particular issue (that guns are considered to be in interstate commerce whether they actually have been or not) would pass muster before the Supreme Court today.
8.7.2007 11:47pm