The Volokh Conspiracy

Speakers Arrested Because Their Speech Supposedly Has "No Legitimate Purpose":

Some state laws ban "criminal harassment," including behavior defined more or less as

Engag[ing] in a course of conduct [= a pattern of conduct composed of a series of acts over a period of time, however short, evidencing a continuity of purpose] or repeatedly commit[ing] acts which harass or intimidate the person and which serve no legitimate purpose.

The broadest body of caselaw I've seen on this has been in Wisconsin; the statute I just quoted is the Wisconsin one, Wisc. Stat. Ann. 947.013. Note that this is a very different provision than "hostile [work/educational/public accommodations/housing] environment harassment," with entirely different elements; all they share is the label "harassment," and the capacity to restrict speech because of its content.

Here's a specific interest that I think helps illustrate the problems with such laws: Several Fond du Lac residents live near a convicted sex offender (a Michael A. Allen). They printed copies of that offender's Wisconsin Department of Corrections Sexual Offender Registry Registrant Information web page, and publicly posted it in various places -- at a gas station, at a YMCA, and several trees and telephone poles. They were then arrested for harassment. The arresting officer's report explains that the arrest happened

because [the arrestees'] conduct served no useful purpose. Michael Allen is following the rules of the registration system and is not breaking any laws. It appears to be the intent of the suspects to force Michael Allen to move from the area.

I take it that defendants believe their conduct does serve a legitimate and useful purpose -- it may inform their neighbors about the possible danger posed by Allen. Even if they intend to try to get Allen to move, that too may be useful for them and their children, though of course it may lead Allen to move to become a possible threat to other children (for reasons I note below, I don't see him as much of a threat, but obviously they do, and the law does require registration for offenders like Allen).

Moreover, the Court has made clear that people have a right to republish public record criminal justice information, even when it consists of the names of rape victims. (See Florida Star v. B.J.F.) Surely people have at least as much right to republish such information about criminals. (For more, see here.) So I think their speech can't be criminalized.

But more broadly, it seems to me that regardless of whether such speech could be prohibited under a clearly and narrowly drafted law, the current law, which punishes "harass[ing]" speech said with "no legitimate purpose" must be unconstitutionally vague. It gives no meaningful guidance to speakers who want to know if they'll be criminally punished, or to police officers, prosecutors, judges, and juries. It thus poses all the problems that Grayned v. City of Rockford (1972) identified as constitutional defects of vague laws:

First, because we assume that man is free to steer between lawful and unlawful conduct, we insist that laws give the person of ordinary intelligence a reasonable opportunity to know what is prohibited, so that he may act accordingly. Vague laws may trap the innocent by not providing fair warning.

Second, if arbitrary and discriminatory enforcement is to be prevented, laws must provide explicit standards for those who apply them. A vague law impermissibly delegates basic policy matters to policemen, judges, and juries for resolution on an ad hoc and subjective basis, with the attendant dangers of arbitrary and discriminatory application.

Third, but related, where a vague statute "abut[s] upon sensitive areas of basic First Amendment freedoms," it "operates to inhibit the exercise of [those] freedoms." Uncertain meanings inevitably lead citizens to "`steer far wider of the unlawful zone' ... than if the boundaries of the forbidden areas were clearly marked."

By the way, Allen's offense (as reported in the press) strikes me as very minor as sex crimes go:

Court records show that Allen was convicted in 1998 of second-degree sexual assault of a child for receiving oral sex from a 15-year-old girl. The records show that Allen was 16 years of age at the time of the incident, which occurred in 1997 in Shawano County. In a victim statement included with court documents, the 15-year-old girl said it was her idea to perform the sexual act. She also wrote that she didn't think it was Allen's fault or that he should get in trouble.

It seems to me that even if consensual 16-/15-year-old sex should be criminalized, it should not be subject to sex offender reporting (certainly not longterm reporting), or at least any such reports should clearly note the nature of the offense (something the Wisconsin sex offender page does not). Such reporting is not only unfair to the offender, but also harmful to the community, because it misleads the public into overestimating this threat, and distracts them from other possible threats.

Nonetheless, while this would have been good reason for Wisconsin not to place Allen's records on the sex offender site (unless there was something more to the sexual contact than the newspaper reports), and this might make the neighbors' actions morally suspect (if they knew the nature of Allen's crimes), it doesn't strip the actions of constitutional protection. The First Amendment includes the right to convey information even about crimes that many may consider minor (though note that Wisconsin law, which makes the crime a felony and a reportable sexual offense). One might argue that the neighbors' speech is so incomplete as to be false, but I don't think that's right; I take it, for instance, that newspapers couldn't be criminally prosecuted if they accurately reported that someone was convicted of a certain crime, but failed to give all the details that might show how minor the crime was, and the same must be true here. And in any event, none of the facts of Allen's case can remotely justify punishing speakers under the amorphous "no legitimate purpose" standard.

Note also that the same defendants were also arrested for getting into a fight with the offender over the offender's coming onto their property to remove a copy of the sheet that they had posted on their own property. That, though, is a separate charge, which I'm setting aside for now.

Steve2:
Well... since his conviction's public record, the false light invasion of privacy tort I think he should have is probably a non-starter, and JBF v. Florida Star pretty much eviscerated the public disclosure of private facts tort altogether. Although, my understanding is Wisconsin doesn't recognize any of the 4 privacy torts except for appropriation...

Anyway, Professor Volokh, when you write,

It seems to me that even if consensual 16-/15-year-old sex should be criminalized, it should not be subject to sex offender reporting (certainly not longterm reporting), or at least any such reports should clearly note the nature of the offense (something the Wisconsin sex offender page does not). Such reporting is not only unfair to the offender, but also harmful to the community, because it misleads the public into overestimating this threat, and distracts them from other possible threats.

Nonetheless, while this would have been good reason for Wisconsin not to place Allen's records on the sex offender site (unless there was something more to the sexual contact than the newspaper reports), and this might make the neighbors' actions morally suspect (if they knew the nature of Allen's crimes), it doesn't strip the actions of constitutional protection. The First Amendment includes the right to convey information even about crimes that many may consider minor (though note that Wisconsin law, which makes the crime a felony and a reportable sexual offense). One might argue that the neighbors' speech is so incomplete as to be false, but I don't think that's right; I take it, for instance, that newspapers couldn't be criminally prosecuted if they accurately reported that someone was convicted of a certain crime, but failed to give all the details that might show how minor the crime was, and the same must be true here. And in any event, none of the facts of Allen's case can remotely justify punishing speakers under the amorphous "no legitimate purpose" standard.


I think your first paragraph explains why he's got a false-light claim. But for reasons hinted at in your second paragraph, and for the the reasons McClurg pointed out long ago (Bringing Privacy Law Out of the Closet: A Tort Theory of Liability for Intrusions in Public Places, 73 N.C.L. Rev. 989 (1995)), having a valid invasion of privacy claim and having an invasion of privacy claim a court will label valid are totally unrelated to each other.
8.8.2007 4:48pm
Fco (www):
Suppose it's a gun owner, and the neighbors are putting up posters that read "Your son may be killed playing near this house".
8.8.2007 5:01pm
John Burgess (mail) (www):
What was that thing about 'Bad Cases, Bad Law'?

Sexual Offender registries tend to be far to broad, encompassing acts which, as EV noted, may be illegal, but are certainly not of a predatory nature.

But yes, too, parents should be able to ascertain whether a sex offender lives next door. Their behavior, given such knowledge, ought not be of the criminal nature itself.
8.8.2007 5:05pm
Fco (www):
Sorry, I accidently posted the above comment without finishing my thought...

There is a legitimate interest in informing the community about a possible danger. That right however can be abused to the point of harassment. If the neighbors only want to inform the community, they can do that effectively. Posters around the town seems like overkill, intended to make his life miserable. Disguised as "informing the public".

If a sex offender is to be considered a danger to a family neighborhood, then the law needs to be changed and the neighborhood should advocate for that to happen. If he is legally allowed to live there, and has given no cause for being evicted, then they have no basis to prompt him to leave.
8.8.2007 5:07pm
Eugene Volokh (www):
Fco: Obviously constitutionally protected -- why would there even be an issue? A right to have a gun doesn't include a right to be free from criticism for having a gun, or from publicity describing your gun ownership. And of course the concern about the statute's vagueness applies regardless of the specific facts.
8.8.2007 5:07pm
Eugene Volokh (www):
Fco: I'm puzzled about how this "overkill" exception to the First Amendment would operate. If speech is protected, it seems to me, it should be protected regardless of whether it's posted in multiple places or in one place, and regardless of whether the speaker's intentions are noble or base (see, e.g., Hustler v. Falwell or Garrison v. Louisiana).

Likewise, that the law allows a sex offender to live somewhere doesn't mean that his neighbors lose their First Amendment rights to speak about him, and to urge that he be ostracized -- just as in NAACP v. Claiborne Hardware, black patrons' indubitable legal rights to shop at white-owned stores didn't strip other blacks of their First Amendment rights to urge the ostracism of fellow blacks who didn't comply with the boycott.
8.8.2007 5:10pm
Fco (www):
The way I'm reading this, it doesn't matter what the offense (or perceived offense) is. Being a sex offender, or a gun owner in a neighborhood of gun control advocates.

But where to draw the line between rightful propagation of information to warn the public, and outright harassment. Can the law be written to accurately delimit these two? Some level of vagueness on the written law and a reliance on the judge's perception seems inevitable.
8.8.2007 5:17pm
Elliot Reed:
The real lesson to take from this case is that our society's treatment of "sex offenders" is completely warped. Placing someone on a lifetime government blacklist for having consensual sex with a person one year younger is beyond the bounds of all reason. People should not allow these lists to strip them of their common sense; perhaps someone should start putting up posters of these residents reminding others that they are completely insane. (I should mention that it's also distressing that the courts have been willing to pretend that these registries are not punishments).
8.8.2007 5:20pm
Anderson (mail) (www):
Time place &manner restrictions are valid, so if the city or the state cared, they could prohibit some specific acts.

Here though the solution appears to be "the answer to bad speech is more speech." The guy needs to get his actual "offense" out there in the public eye, so that the jerks who are persecuting him appear to be what they are: jerks.
8.8.2007 5:22pm
Anderson (mail) (www):
Ah, Elliot and I had the same thought at the same time.
8.8.2007 5:23pm
Clayton E. Cramer (mail) (www):

The real lesson to take from this case is that our society's treatment of "sex offenders" is completely warped. Placing someone on a lifetime government blacklist for having consensual sex with a person one year younger is beyond the bounds of all reason.
I am a bit surprised that such a case would get you on the registered sex offender list. This would seem a pretty serious problem with Wisconsin law.

I was told by someone with great passion that Idaho's registered sex offender list of crimes is that broad. But when I researched it, it was theoretically possible for statutory rape to get you in that category, but doesn't seem to happen very often.
8.8.2007 5:28pm
Fco (www):
I don't think it's exception to the First Ammendment. The neighbors would still have plenty of outlets and venues with which to communicate their concerns to the community and local officials. They would not be prevented/penalized from voicing their worries. Besides, harassment is not protected by the 1st A., so the only question is wether the neighbors' conduct rises beyond the seemingly inocuous "informing the public", to the level of harassment.

Which I believe it does. If they want to inform the neighborhood, one short visit to each home is enough. The posters are unnecessary and clearly intented to harm the invididual. What the people should do is call upon their mayor/governor to declare their area a sex-offender free zone.

If this were an all-white community putting up posters that read "Keep the n****** out", would there be this much question that their actions constituted harassment of the african-american residents? Maybe this case isn't as blatantly bad as my example, but I think there is a line somewhere.
8.8.2007 5:43pm
Ex-Fed (mail):
Frequently I speak to amuse myself. Why isn't that a legitimate purpose?
8.8.2007 5:52pm
Fub:
Eugene Volokh wrote:
Here's a specific interest that I think helps illustrate the problems with such laws: Several Fond du Lac residents live near a convicted sex offender (a Michael A. Allen). They printed copies of that offender's Wisconsin Department of Corrections Sexual Offender Registry Registrant Information web page, and publicly posted it in various places -- at a gas station, at a YMCA, and several trees and telephone poles. They were then arrested for harassment.
The facts are vague at best as to who owned the trees, or whether the tree's owners or a utility company gave them permission to post their signs on the private property.

If they had no permission to post, then they committed an intentional tort in the course of their posting signs.

Would not the commission of intentional torts against any party in the course of their acts at least give some credibility to the argument that their intention for posting the signs was not entirely legitimate?

Or for that matter, could they not be charged under a criminal trespass statute (if any exist) for posting signs without permission of the utility company or perhaps the trees' owners?

Another possibility if they had no permission is prosecution for littering. Is there an Officer Obie on the Fon du Lac PD?
8.8.2007 5:55pm
Eugene Volokh (www):
Fub: That speech can be punished under a narrowly and precisely drafted content-neutral rule (no posting anything on another's tree or telephone poll) doesn't mean that it can be punished under a law that is vague, that applies because of content, and that is overbroad in that it can apply even to postings with the owner's consent. That's black-letter First Amendment law, and the very heart of overbreadth and vagueness doctrine.

I should also say that many utility companies and tree owners won't complain about posting of flyers by neighbors, and may permit this. For instance, if a neighbor posted such a flyer on the tree I own, I wouldn't call the police, or support a prosecution of the neighbor; if need be, I'd try to block the prosecution by retroactively licensing the neighbor to use the tree. Even if I disagreed with the flyer, as I do here, I'd probably just remove it and ask the neighbor not to post it again, rather than trying to get him criminally prosecuted for using my tree.
8.8.2007 6:05pm
Dilan Esper (mail) (www):
I don't think Professor Volokh is correct that the number of times speech is uttered has no implications for its First Amendment law.

Unless one thinks all hostile environment harassment law is unconstitutional (which Professor Volokh might), the touchstone of that analysis is "severe or pervasive" harassment, which reflects the common sense notion that an isolated comment shouldn't constitute sexual harassment but talking about sex over and over again in front of nonconsenting female employees would.

If we want to take it out of harassment law, I can see other doctrines where this could be an issue too. For instance, one element of common law defamation is that the character and circumstances of the expression would lead a reasonable person to believe that the speaker was making a factual claim. The number of times that something is said is relevant to this issue-- an offhand comment might be understood as a joke, hyperbole, etc., whereas repeated utterance could evidence the factual nature of the statement.

In broadcasting law with respect to the indecency standard, the number of times something is expressed is relevant as well. (Remember the recent "fleeting utterances" decision of the DC Circuit?) I would think that there would be similar considerations with obscenity-- something that multiple instances of nudity and depictions of sexual conduct is more likely to appeal to the prurient interest and offend community standards.

None of this is to attack Professor Volokh's conclusion that the "criminal harassment" law is vague as they come and probably unconstitutional. But repetition is certainly a legitimate consideration in First Amendment law.
8.8.2007 7:29pm
tantallon (mail):
Maybe there should be less hand-wringing here.

“...which serves no legitimate purpose:” The prosecution has to prove, then, that there is no purpose of the speech which could be served which is legitimate. Or to put it another way, even if a single purpose among many were legitimate -- whether the actor acted to that purpose or not, then the actor would be acquitted. And as to whether even that single purpose was not legitimate, the proof would have to be beyond a reasonable doubt. On its face, that’s a pretty darn hard test for a prosecutor to meet.

And how should legitimacy of purpose judged?

Well, surely the purpose cannot be measured by the speech’s being merely functional for, or in the mind of, the actor (“Even if they intend to try to get Allen to move, that too may be useful for them.”)

Rather, presumably, the legitimacy or lack of legitimacy of the purpose must also be measured in objective terms because if it is not objectively rational, then how could it be “legitimate?”

If as the objective facts are presented here, and if they are completely presented here, then Allen was convicted of an act with a person of some, similar maturity, albeit still a child, of approximately the same age, at the instigation of the partner and with her consent, then is it possible to have a rational fear of – and therefore a legitimate purpose for speech publicly marking Allen and purporting to warn of – a purported threat that his presence posed.

So contrary to what is suggested here the test of the neighbours’ actions is not whether they considered whether or the offence was “minor” but rather whether or not the neighbours could rationally conclude that the fact of having been convicted of the offence and registered on these facts, meant that Allen could be considered a threat that required warning of this nature.

I suggest that the ordinary operation of the law here provides more than sufficient certainty for the appropriate constitutional protection of the actors.
8.8.2007 7:43pm
Hans Bader (mail):
The reason such an intolerably vague regulation was enacted (and probably upheld against challenge by the state courts) is because it was originally aimed at domestic violence, and lawmakers (and many judges) simply ignore constitutional violations when they are committed in the name of preventing domestic violence.

A New Jersey family court judge explicitly told his colleagues publicly to ignore constitutional "rights" when deciding whether there is enough evidence to issue domestic violence restraining orders. (Cathy Young and Professor Stephen Baskerville have links to the judge's comments).

Such attitudes illustrate Justice Brandeis's observation that the biggest dangers to liberty come from overzealous people with good intentions. The Constitution is commonly ignored when a measure supposedly aimed at the problem of domestic violence is proposed.

For example, the portions of the Violence Against Women Act held unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in U.S. v. Morrison (2000) were enacted UNANIMOUSLY by the Senate, and upheld by almost all lower courts.

That was despite the fact that Bruce Fein and Justice Department attorneys pointed out the serious constitutional problems exhibited by the provisions later held unconstitutional.

This week, the New York Times carried an article by a Harvard researcher about how the two dozen state laws that absolutely mandate arrests in response to all plausible allegations of domestic violence, rather than leaving the issue to police officer discretion, increase rather than decrease deaths by domestic violence victims.

Deaths in such states are much higher than in states that lack such draconian laws mandating arrest. Female victims are afraid to report incipient violence for fear that their batterer will be arrested and lose his job (and with it the family income). Male victims are afraid that they will be arrested if they report domestic violence to police. As a result, domestic violence goes unremedied.

But no one is rethinking those draconian mandatory-arrest laws, because overzealous legislators and judges, ignore facts and evidence in favor of ideology, resulting in flawed responses to the serious social problem of domestic violence.

Constitutional problems are all too often simply ignored in the domestic violence context. That harms civil liberties, and in the long run, domestic violence victims as well.
8.8.2007 8:37pm
NickM (mail) (www):
tantallon - your standard would greatly chill speech. Overzealous or malicious prosecutors could readily charge people for Constitutionally protected speech, disrupting their lives and costing them tens of thousands of dollars, with there being little recourse once a jury acquits. Worse, if it's unpopular Constitutionally protected speech, a jury might convict, later to be overturned on appeal.

Nick
8.8.2007 9:05pm
Public_Defender (mail):
The Adam Walsh act will likely cause states to increase registration for people like Mr. Allen to twenty years. Both his home address and the address of his employer will be posted on the Internet, making it very hard for him to get and keep a job (would you hire someone if your office would be listed on the sex offender registry).

Fortunately, the registration has become so onerous that it has likely crossed the line from civil to criminal, and it may come crashing down, at least for people whose crimes were committed before Adam Walsh came into effect.

Remember Mr. Allen when you see someone listed as a sex offender with a child victim.

As to the "crime" of the posters, if Wisconsin better defined harassment and eliminated the "legitimate purpose" element, could it pass muster? What if they made "no legitimate purpose" and affirmative defense, not an element?

It's ironic that sometimes a legislature can sometimes make a criminal statute constitutional constitutional by removing protections.

Even if not criminal, the behavior of Linda C. Schultz, who, according to the article EV linked to, lives at 323 N. Macy St. in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin, should be condemned. Michael J. Merkel also lives at that address and was also charged.

Ms. Schultz and Mr. Merkel either didn't care to check the truth or they didn't care that they were tarnishing Mr. Allen for something very few people think should be a crime. Shame on them.

Linda Schultz tried to justify her actions by saying, "My grandchildren live upstairs, and we have a lot of kids in the neighborhood." What do her kids have to fear from this guy?

I hate to break it to Ms. Schultz, but her grandkids are probably more at risk of sexual abuse from her relatives than from the dude down the street who had consensual sex with someone only one year his junior when he was sixteen.
8.8.2007 9:22pm
SeaLawyer:
Not to mention he was guilty of failing to maintain the sex offender registry. Case is here.
8.8.2007 10:11pm
SeaLawyer:
Well he did plead guilty to the charge.
8.8.2007 10:12pm
SeaLawyer:
Just one more link (unless I can find the actual case details) the actual statute is here. The one thing I am really curious about is how did this ever go to trial?
8.8.2007 10:20pm
methodact:
LAW - an acronym for Love And War
8.8.2007 10:31pm
Public_Defender (mail):
Well he did plead guilty to the charge.

Thanks for the link to the statute. Assuming the law hasn't changed in 10 years, it doesn't look like he had any defense. "Whoever has sexual contact or sexual intercourse with a person who has not attained the age of 16 years is guilty of a Class C felony."

As to his failure to maintain his registry status, that just shows how insane the sex offender statutes have become. A sixteen year old has consensual sex with someome one year his junior, and he ends up in a Kafkaesque system that gives him two felonies and subjects him to years of public humiliation.

How many readers are saying, "There but for the grace of God go I"?
8.9.2007 5:04am
D K Warren (mail):
As to the vagueness challenge, that was:

[A]ddressed and rejected in Bachowski v. Salamone, 139 Wis.2d 397, 407 N.W.2d 533 (1987), and State v. Sarlund, 139 Wis.2d 386, 407 N.W.2d 544 (1987). 'To survive a vagueness challenge a statute must be sufficiently definite to give persons of ordinary intelligence who wish to abide by the law sufficient notice of the proscribed conduct.' Bachowski, 139 Wis.2d at 406, 407 N.W.2d at 537. No doubt the injunction must provide the same notice. The injunction notified Winter that he could not act contrary to § 947.013, Stats. More was unnecessary.

A statute is overbroad when its language, given its normal meaning, is so sweeping that its sanctions may be applied to constitutionally protected conduct which the state is not permitted to regulate." Bachowski, 139 N.W.2d at 411, 407 N.W.2d at 539. The restriction that the defendant not act contrary to § 947.013, Stats., was also sufficiently narrow. The injunction enjoined the defendant from harassing Schmidt contrary to § 947.013. Because the statute declaring which conduct is unlawful is neither vague nor overbroad, an injunction to refrain from violating the terms of the statute is similarly valid.


State v. Winter, 204 Wis.2d 113 (Wis. App. 1996).

See also, State v. Watson, 610 N.E.2d 472, 477 (N.C. App. 2005):

Moreover, anti-stalking statutes with similar language have been upheld in other states as well. In Pallas v. State, 636 So.2d 1358 (Fla. 3d DCA 1994), approved by, 654 So.2d 127 (Fla.1995), a Florida court held that a similarly worded anti-stalking statute was not unconstitutionally vague. Id. at 1361.

Under the Florida statute, " 'Harasses' means to engage in a course of conduct directed at a specific person that causes substantial emotional distress in such person and serves no legitimate purpose." Id. (citing Fla. Stat. ch. 784.048(1)(a) (Supp.1992)). The defendant in Pallas argued that this definition created a subjective standard. However, the court held that the statute in fact created a "reasonable person" standard and gave fair notice of the conduct which is proscribed. Id. See also People v. Tran, 47 Cal.App.4th 253, 54 Cal.Rptr.2d 650 (1996) (court determined an element of the definition of harass, that the conduct serves no legitimate purpose, is not unconstitutionally vague); People v. White, 212 Mich.App. 298, 536 N.W.2d 876 (1995) (same).

We agree with the Florida court in Pallas. Section 14- 277.3 of the North Carolina General Statutes creates a "reasonable person" standard and puts an ordinary person on notice of prohibited conduct. Thus, we conclude that section 14-277.3 is not unconstitutionally vague.


Also, Smith v. Martens, 106 P.3d 28 (Kan. 2005):

Martens further argues that the term "legitimate purpose" is not defined. In Rucker, this court found that the term legitimate purpose, when read in conjunction with the rest of the 1995 criminal stalking statute, did not require a person of common intelligence to guess as to its meaning. It noted that the terms were defined in relation to an objective standard, the statute contained a credible threat element, and it excluded constitutionally protected conduct. The court explained that "when we focus on the view of reasonable persons as to when lawful authority exists to follow others, the presence or absence of a legitimate purpose for an act or action can readily be determined." Rucker, 267 Kan. at 837, 987 P.2d 1080. See also State v. Whitesell, 270 Kan. 259, 269-70, 13 P.3d 887 (2000) (upholding Rucker in finding the term "legitimate purpose" was not unconstitutionally vague).

Of course, whether Wisconsin's law can be applied to the conduct at issue - citizen re-posting of registered sex offender information - is a separate issue.

The argument that protected speech may be banned as a means to ban unprotected speech turns the First Amendment upside down. The Government may not suppress lawful speech as the means to suppress unlawful speech. Protected speech does not become unprotected merely because it resembles the latter. The Constitution requires the reverse. Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition, 535 U.S. at 254-55 (2002).
8.9.2007 5:23am
Hans Bader (mail):
I explained above why politics, not logic, is behind many of the court rulings upholding vague bans on speech that supposedly "lacks a legitimate purpose."

Even if speech that "lacks a legitimate purpose" were substantively unprotected, a ban on such speech would still be unconstitutionally vague, in the absence of interpretive guidelines explaining what speech is deemed to lack a legitimate purpose, or other limiting criteria.

Cases like Nitzberg v. Parks and Keyishian v. Board of Regents make that clear.

In Nitzberg, the Fourth Circuit held that a school speech policy that parroted the vague language in the Supreme Court's Tinker decision about what speech can be prohibited in schools was unconstitutionally vague, even though such speech was substantively unprotected by the First Amendment, because the fact that a court uses a legal standard for judging whether a speech restriction is unduly restrictive does not mean that that standard itself is clear enough when it is used as a blanket restriction on speech, rather than to test the validity of clearly-written restrictions on speech.

For example, as Professor Tribe's constitutional law treatise once pointed out, if a state passed a law banning all speech that "is not protected by the First and Fourteenth Amendments," such a ban would be hopelessly vague, and have an enormous chilling effect, even though it would not ban any constitutionally protected speech.

In Keyishian v. Board of Regents, the Supreme Court held unconstitutionally vague a law that it itself had held was not overbroad in the previous decade, showing that a speech restriction can be unduly vague and a trap for the unwary even if it does not restrict constitutionally protected speech by its terms.

The fact that these principles are not applied to stalking and domestic violence restraining order laws is the product of politics, not logic, and the failure to strike down or limit such laws even when they are extremely vague or overbroad is an abdication of courts' constitutional duties.
8.9.2007 10:59am
abu hamza:
my whole post vanished, but here it is again in a nutshell: what about the vague as applied versus vague as written rule? 'no legitimate purpose' might be vague in general, but these defendants, on this set of facts, knew what they were doing was really just harassment and had no legitimate purpose. what do you all think of that?

and some have mentioned the unfairness of the sex offender registries. well, you won't want to miss the Kansas listing of Jorge Garcia Gomez, who was barely 10 years old when he committed the offense of indecent liberties with a child, with a similarly-aged victim.
8.9.2007 4:07pm
Armagh444 (www):
I think you need to turn away from Wis. Stats. 947.013(1m)(b) and look at 947.013(1m), which defines the offense as a Class B forfeiture and, more importantly, notes that the course of action does not fall under the statute unless it is done "with intent to harass or intimidate." Now, it seems to me that an act done with the intent to harass or intimidate is, by definition, done with no legitimate purpose.

Now, I commend your zeal in defending the First Amendment (frankly, it's one of the major reasons I enjoy this blog), but I don't see how anyone can say that it is unconstitutional or even inappropriate for any jurisdiction to prohibit speech when it is made with the intent to harass and intimidate and it does in fact harass and intimidate. Or am I missing something? (A possibility which must be acknowledged given the lateness of the hour and my lack of caffeination.)
8.10.2007 1:41am
Fub:
Eugene Volokh wrote at 8.8.2007 6:05pm:

Fub: That speech can be punished under a narrowly and precisely drafted content-neutral rule (no posting anything on another's tree or telephone poll) doesn't mean that it can be punished under a law that is vague, that applies because of content, and that is overbroad in that it can apply even to postings with the owner's consent. ...

I should also say that many utility companies and tree owners won't complain about posting of flyers by neighbors, and may permit this. ...
True that behavior of potential complaining witnesses for some possible non-speech offenses may well make that avenue less than useful, and we obviously agree that is not a First Amendment issue.

But the statute quoted does not address speech directly. It addresses general acts, which might include speech. I was suggesting, though not very well, that prosecution under the statute might be framed to rely primarily on non-speech acts, and that some of the sign poster's non-speech acts might diminish if not entirely vitiate claims that they were merely engaging in protected speech.

From TFA cited:
On July 10, Allen returned from the Fond du Lac Police Department, sat down at his kitchen table with his fianceé, Loni Huck, and was checking his mail when the two heard a "lot of laughing and hammering" coming from outside, Huck said.

When they looked out the window, they saw their neighbors pounding a wooden post that had a sheet of paper containing Allen's sex offender registry information on it into a tree stump in their yard.
The antecedent of their in "their front yard" appears ambiguous. But if it means "Allen's front yard", I just don't see a First Amendment defense to posting any sign in Mr. Allen's own front yard without permission. No matter what the sign said about Mr. Allen, posting it on his property without permission is a crime. I think a pattern of posting signs with Mr. Allen's name on them (even with nothing more), combined with posting one on Mr. Allen's own property would be
repeatedly commit[ing] acts which harass or intimidate the person and which serve no legitimate purpose.
If there were any purpose but to harass, then why post a sign on Mr. Allen's own property?
8.10.2007 5:10pm