The Volokh Conspiracy

Dubious-Sounding Study on Babies and Videos:

NY Times:

But now a survey by researchers at the University of Washington, just published in The Journal of Pediatrics, has found that for every hour of baby-video viewing per day, children ages 8 to 16 months knew six to eight fewer words than those who watched no videos.... But the alarming finding from the University of Washington survey applied only to baby videos. Television time, in contrast, seemed to have no effect, good or bad, on babies this young.

I can't think of any plausible reason that watching videos would retard children's verbal development, but watching t.v. would not. If anything, babies watching videos are likely watching videos geared specifically toward their needs and interests, like Baby Einstein, while babies watching t.v. are likely watching whatever animated nonsense happens to be on at the time.

Conflict of interest watch: Unlike most of my peers with kids the same age, Natalie watches videos sometimes. She especially like Teletubbies (English and Hebrew), Barney, Sesame Street 1-2-3 Count With Me (prefers the Hebrew version), and Yuval Ha'mibulbal, an Israeli video. Nevertheless, she's extremely verbal, and in three languages.

Zathras (mail):
"I can't think of any plausible reason that watching videos would retard children's verbal development, but watching t.v. would not."

How about the fact that a lot of parents have their kids watch the same videos 50+ times. At least with TV they're watching different things every time.
8.17.2007 9:41am
Paddy O. (mail):
Maybe babies pick up verbal cues from standard adult conversations more than what would particularly suit their needs and interests. We underestimate babies.

They learn not by being catered to at their level but by participating in what is so much beyond their level their young brains race to advance into maturity.

What is animated nonsense or casual conversation to us might be more thoroughly rich in language, just because of sheer amount of content.

I become a much better basketball player by playing with those who are way better than me, and more slowly advance by playing with those who are as good or not as good. Maybe language is the same way. Total immersion and all that works.
8.17.2007 9:44am
dearieme:
"I can't think of any plausible reason that watching videos would retard children's verbal development, but watching t.v. would not." It's the more sophisticated English used in the ads.
8.17.2007 9:45am
Houston Lawyer:
Most cartoons, at least the older ones, have a fair amount of adult jokes thrown in. Your child would be better off watching Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck than anything actually geared to her.
8.17.2007 9:55am
neurodoc:
...children ages 8 to 16 months knew six to eight fewer words than those who watched no videos...

How many words do most children now at 8 or 9 months in the absence of videos? And by the time they are 16 months? (I expect the answer is in the journal article.)

Professor Bernstein, your daughter's 3 languages would be English, Hebrew, and (...)? Spanish per the nanny? A language per a grandparent? Maybe Latin like John Hume or one of those other preternatural geniuses?
8.17.2007 9:59am
Dave Orr (mail) (www):
Language acquisition is a strange and wonderful thing. It seems totally impossible that babies can learn natural language just from observation -- it's so *complicated*, and really hard to fathom even for professional linguists. And yet, just by observing, pretty much everyone learns a language.

We don't know exactly how they do it, but however it's done, it involves lots and lots of observation. Babies' brains get rewired to understand language through extensive exposure to it.

The problem with videos like Baby Einstein is that they don't feature people talking like people. They feature bright colors, and individual words, and all kinds of entrancing objects and whatnot... but no opportunities for learning natural language.

So it does make some sense that babies who spend lots of time watching videos that don't give them an opportunity to learn english in fact don't learn english as well as babies who spent that time observing english being spoken.
8.17.2007 10:02am
FantasiaWHT:
I want to avoid personal anecdotes, but my guess as to why videos might have a negative effect where TV doesn't- watch the same handful of videos over and over again, you are only going to be exposed to those few ideas repeatedly. Watch tv regularly and you are going to be exposed to new ideas, new words, new sounds every time.

Ok, ok, fine, personal anecdote- I used baby videos (Baby Einstein, mostly) when my now-3-year-old was a baby to help him relax and sleep. When he got a little older, I let him watch TV, but skipped anything geared directly at infants/pre-speech toddlers like Teletubbies, Beebo, etc. and had him watching anything else that didn't use baby talk (Sesame Street, Mr. Rogers, Clifford, Caillou, etc.). Now he reads, writes, and talks like a 6 year old.
8.17.2007 10:10am
mls:
And some baby videos use NO language at all, just instrumental music and pictures.
8.17.2007 10:11am
abb3w:
Have some speculation from the ignorant (bachelor, no kids) as to possible factors.

First order: videos don't interact with the kids; interactive verbal and facial response may contribute to the language learning experience.

Second order effect: dumb parents are more likely to have dumb kids, and are more likely to do dumb things like routinely use the same few videos over and over as babysitters, rather than interacting with their kids.
8.17.2007 10:15am
bobolinq (mail):
Consider doing some research before spouting off about the meaning of an academic study as reported in the NYT. Here's a nice starting point:

Post at Language Log by Mark Liberman.

Your uncritical assumption that Baby Einstein videos are designed for children and therefore likely not to harm their development is particularly silly.
8.17.2007 10:28am
Hoosier:
bobolinq sems to be mad at you, professor.

I'm just confused about the 'Hebrew' 'Teletubbies.' Aside from 'Time for Tubby bye-bye,' I there ain't too many acual /words/ in that show. Plus it /hurts/ to watch it.
8.17.2007 10:35am
Hoosier:
A possible problem with a possible explanation from above:

Anecdotally, it appears to me that less-educated parents have /more/ videos than better-educated parents. (They may spend more time in front of the tube in general.) So variety of words may not be the answer to this riddle.

The paragraph above /doesn't/ indicate snobbery on my part, since I admit that Hoosierwife and I give our kids what would appear to be the worst of both worlds. Our children watch mostly videos, and we don't have all that many.

I didn't read the times article, but I've =heard about this study (on NPR recently.) Doesn't this vocabulary differential disappear in grade school?
8.17.2007 10:45am
Paddy O. (mail):
Apparently watching baby videos doesn't teach basic language, and reading the New York Times doesn't teach basic civility.
8.17.2007 10:46am
Paddy O. (mail):
Or rather, reading anti-NY times stuff. Well, and reading blogs doesn't teach good reading comprehension as I learn.

A lesson for all of us today.
8.17.2007 10:47am
A (mail):
My anecdotal experience is that TV is pretty boring for small children and they don't pay much attention to it. By contrast Baby Einstein and Teletubbies are positively mesmerizing. That's why they serve as such good babysitters.
8.17.2007 10:48am
Orielbean (mail):
I concur with the fact that children are really quite astute, and the baby videos could be too dumbed down to be useful. I remember a few studies charting that if you talked like an adult to the child, they "got it" much quicker than trying to ease them into language with baby talk. I say give 'em a copy of 1984 and the House of Mirth, and let them figure out the rest. They'll be showing me how to operate my microwave in fifteen years anyways...
8.17.2007 11:26am
Nick P.:
Do videos that are designed for babies 8-16 months old have much dialogue at all? Perhaps the problem is precisely that they are designed to be comprehensible to babies that young. Even the crappiest old Hannah Barbara cartoon will contain dialogue that stretches the vocabulary of a 12-month old.

FWIW, I didn't watch TV regularly until I was about nine, and I really think that helped my early reading skills. I doubt we'll be able to hold off that long with the current generation, but so far the only TV he has seen was part of one Simpsons episode. Unfortunately, he immediately ratted me out by blurting "Watch more Simpson's, Daddy?" repeatedly in the presence of his mother
8.17.2007 11:31am
SenatorX (mail):
My autistic son has seemed to benefit from these videos. We do tons of speech therapy (and behavior) as well of course. Personally I have found the key is emotional content. Everything he wants has to be turned into a language exercise. The vidoes don't work for this but as a reinforcer (and yes sometimes as a distraction to keep him busy-guilty).

I certianly wouldn't expect someone to plop their kid in front of videos all day long but for us it is an added resource that helps him. The repetitive nature of using words with different visual queues and even the sign language all seem to help (he busts out some sign when he doesn't think you are understanding what he is trying to say as a reinforcer on us).

The latest favorite is elmo's potty training video. I could do without him shouting "dookie" periodically though. On the other hand he is really gung ho about the whole potty thing.
8.17.2007 11:38am
WHOI Jacket:
Invest in a good stereo and the Telarc recordings of the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra and Choir under Robert Shaw.
8.17.2007 11:52am
markm (mail):
How about the fact that a lot of parents have their kids watch the same videos 50+ times. I'd change "watch" to allow. Small children will beg for the same video to be shown again and again. I didn't notice that when we were raising our children, because we didn't have the capability of playing stuff back, but it's very obvious when I visit our grandchildren. If they're into a particular Teletubby video this week, they don't want to see anything else, and even a different Teletubby video is a compromise they only grudgingly accept. By the time my son's children finally got past Teletubbies, he'd developed Jerry Falwell-like theories about all of them - not only is the purple one gay, but so is the red one, the yellow one is a prostitute, and the green one her pimp...

When adults are choosing shows that they can stand to watch, there is much more variety of shows, with more conversations, and often at a higher level. The variety by itself ensures the kids are exposed to more words, and probably they actually learn faster from listening to adults converse (like kids have learned to talk since speech first started) than from dumbed-down kiddie shows. Even if the adults aren't controlling the dial, watching cartoons on broadcast or cable TV is going to throw much more variety at the kids than re-starting the same CD over and over will.
8.17.2007 12:09pm
Hattio (mail):
Since we're talking averages what about a difference in whether the parent watches with the child. It seems to me (childless bachelor who's only theorizing) that a lot of parents occasionally use a video as a baby-sitter. Perhaps those kids who are watching tv are more frequently watching with mom or dad. Mom and dad are probably interacting with them (especially during commercials) or maybe, interacting with each other.
I think when you combine that with the likelihood that at least some of that content has more complex dialogue than children's videos, you have a plausible theory at least for why this could be true.

And I'm also curious, what's the third language?
8.17.2007 12:40pm
Nikki:
Maybe the third language is Yiddish.

Anyway, it wouldn't surprise me tremendously if children pay more attention to, and learn more vocabulary from, actual people in the room with them.
8.17.2007 12:49pm
A parent (mail):
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8.17.2007 12:53pm
Hoosier:
"the yellow one is a prostitute, and the green one her pimp..."

Nope. If so, the green Teletubby would be "Bling-Bling." And the yellow one "Ho". That's how TV works.
8.17.2007 1:09pm
anym_avey (mail):
My own parents never had a television in the house, on the theory that latrines should flush out, not in. I didn't get any regular exposure to television until I was in high school.

On the other hand, I did get read to on a very regular basis, even before I was able to talk.

I picked up a deep-seated love of reading and my vocabulary was far ahead of my peers until sometime in college.

Anecdote? Definitely. Data? Maybe. IMO the average child could do with a LOT less TV and computer time, and a lot more old-fashioned book learning. They'll have their entire life to browse the Internet and watch movies; but only a few formative years in which to develop basic social graces and inteligence.
8.17.2007 1:14pm
S.:
I don't know if Hebrew Teletubbies is the same, but Chinese Teletubbies is a wonderful language learning tool precisely because the dubbed Chinese is not in baby-talk. The narrator and 3 of the 4 Teletubbies speak perfect Mandarin. The littlest Teletubbie (Xiao Po) does sort of lisp a little, but it's far less objectionable (to adults) than the English version's nonsensical baby-talk.
8.17.2007 1:32pm
Jason F:
"Unlike most of my peers with kids the same age, Natalie watches videos sometimes"



In fairness, your daughter probably has more free time to watch videos than do your peers.
8.17.2007 1:59pm
FantasiaWHT:

The latest favorite is elmo's potty training video. I could do without him shouting "dookie" periodically though. On the other hand he is really gung ho about the whole potty thing.


"I CALL IT A PIDDLE!!!!!!!"

Yeah... buying that was a mistake. Where did that honky-tonk Elmo's dad come from, either?

Best thing for my kid's potty training was telling him that he would go back to the 2-year old room at daycare and he wouldn't get to see his flame-haired (literally- BRIGHT orange) girlfriend, Cadence. That got him motivated.
8.17.2007 2:09pm
CrazyTrain (mail):
Conflict of interest watch

?? Why is that a "conflict of interest"? It seems that David uses "conflict of interest" as a way to brag (though here it's not really bragging).

His post on how he made money by betting a federal court wouldn't buy the FTC's blocking the WholeFoods/WildOats merger was a perfect example of using a conflict of interest "disclosure" as an excuse to show his intelligent stock buy, without looking like he was bragging. Silly. He should be proud of his moves and not need to hide under "conflict of interest" statements.
8.17.2007 4:25pm
Waldensian (mail):
Studies like this are the kind of thing that parents obsess about when their kids don't have any real problems. Conflict of interest watch: such parents really hack me off sometimes.
8.19.2007 12:58am