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Dahlia Lithwick on Conservative Opposition to Mukasey:

Slate's Dahlia Lithwick has a blistering column attacking conservatives for opposing Judge Michael Mukasey's nomination as attorney general. There's one big problem with her argument: it ignores the fact that the overwhelming majority of conservatives are supporting the nomination, not opposing it.

Lithwick herself cites the endorsements of Mukasey by Bill Kristol (the most prominent neoconservative pundit), and Andrew McCarthy in the National Review (the most important mainstream conservative opinion journal, which also endorsed Mukasey in this editorial). By contrast, the only conservative she actually quotes as opposing Mukasey is the obscure Brian Burch of the little-known "Catholic-based advocacy group Fidelis," who has doubts about Mukasey's position on abortion. Yet Lithwick's article reads as if Kristol and the National Review are exceptions and Burch is the rule. Perhaps Orin Kerr is right, and Lithwick is the victim of a crafty White House effort to make it seem like there is more conservative opposition to Mukasey than actually exists. Even so, a legal journalist for a major online publication should know enough about the conservative scene to be able to tell the difference between widespread opposition and a small number of holdouts.

Lithwick also makes a silly argument in claiming that those conservatives who are concerned about praise for Mukasey by prominent liberals such as Senator Charles Schumer and Nan Aron are engaging in "hysterical partisanship." Given limited information, one way to judge a political figure's views is to look at the views of those who support him. You don't have to be a "hysterical partisan" to use this admittedly imperfect information shortcut. If a Democratic President nominated an AG who had been warmly praised by, say, Dick Cheney, I doubt that Lithwick would denounce liberals who were concerned about it as irrational or "hysterical." Especially not if the president were politically weak at the time, and had incentives to make nice with a Republican-controlled Congress. In this case, conservative concern about Mukasey is misplaced (which is one reason why the vast majority of conservatives are supporting him). Mukasey's writings (see here and here) and record on the bench show that he is pretty clearly conservative, even if he does reject some of the Bush Administration's more extreme claims of inherent executive power. But that doesn't mean that all such concern is "hysterical partisanship."

UPDATE: I have changed one passage in the original post to make it clear that, in the hypothetical case of a Democratic nominee praised by Dick Cheney, Lithwick would not have denounced as irrational or hysterical liberals who were concerned about the nomination. Whether she would actually oppose such a nomination herself, I don't know (though it wouldn't be completely surprising if she did, and I would not claim that she was a "hysterical partisan" if such a thing were to happen).

UPDATE #2: For more evidence of conservative support for Mukasey, see this supportive post by Ed Whelan, President of the Ethics and Public Policy Center (a prominent social conservative think tank).

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Oh My Word:
How does this woman have a career? She has written some really pitiful op-eds of late.

Of course, Slate's overall quality of content is consistently questionable.
9.18.2007 4:31pm
PLR:
Professor Somin appears to have found evidence of some political bias in Ms. Lithwick's writing. Who knew?

Maybe if I look hard enough I'll find some bias in Professor Somin's writings. By the way, why is Ms. Lithwick's piece described as "blistering?"
9.18.2007 4:44pm
Shelby (mail):
I freqiently disagree with Lithwick's legal analysis, but I usually enjoy reading her pieces. Especially those recounting oral arguments in the Supreme Court. On general politics, though, including non-judicial appointments, she's out of her depth. But I guess there are only so many oral arguments to recount....
9.18.2007 4:44pm
Ilya Somin:
Professor Somin appears to have found evidence of some political bias in Ms. Lithwick's writing. Who knew?

It's not a question of bias. Bias in an opinion article isn't objectionable. It's a question of accuracy and logical coherence.

Maybe if I look hard enough I'll find some bias in Professor Somin's writings.

Maybe you will.
But you won't find glaring inaccuracies like this one.


By the way, why is Ms. Lithwick's piece described as "blistering?"

Perhaps because she accuses those who disagree with her of things like "hysterical partisanship."
9.18.2007 4:53pm
Justin (mail):
I think "inaccuracies" is far too strong of a characterization of your objection, and the idea that "she accuses those who disagree with her of things like 'hysterical partisanship'" seriously approaches libel.
9.18.2007 5:00pm
Ilya Somin:
I think "inaccuracies" is far too strong of a characterization of your objection, and the idea that "she accuses those who disagree with her of things like 'hysterical partisanship'" seriously approaches libel.

Truth is a defense to libel. The phrase "hysterical partisanship" is her word, not mine.
9.18.2007 5:01pm
Dilan Esper (mail) (www):
Just to be clear, I don't think "Fidelis" is the only place to find conservative opposition. I noticed that at National Review, Marc Levin didn't seem to be too excited about the nomination.

Also, I don't think Ilya is persuasive in defending the "Schumer and Aron support him, so there must be something wrong" reasoning. I have no problem with voters doing this in elections when they don't have time to learn about the issues. But is it too much to ask a pundit to do a little preliminary research and make up his or her own mind?
9.18.2007 5:09pm
OrinKerr:
Ilya,

My sense is that Lithwick's basic move is to draw a caricature of people she disagrees with and then to poke fun at how nutty the caricature is. Readers enjoy it because it's fun; the caricatures are often entertaining. Being accurate would ruin the fun in most cases, as it's much harder to write good zingers when the facts aren't outrageous.
9.18.2007 5:09pm
Armen (mail) (www):
Truth is a defense to libel.

Talk about ironic. So it's not true that some of the reaction from the right to Mukasey is hysterical partisanship? Secondly, where does glaring inaccuracies come from? She doesn't mention that ALL conservatives oppose Mukasey. But even the ones who do support Mukasey have to account for Democratic support, as though that's some sin.

Is it glaringly inaccurate to not account for your hypothetical Democratic appointment with Cheney support? How about a Democratic appointment of two Supreme Court justices with hearty Orin Hatch support? Is it glaringly inaccurate to assume that there is "limited information" about a federal judge of nearly two decades?
9.18.2007 5:11pm
OrinKerr:
I should also add that Lithwick's latest column is yet more evidence for the claim that "Dahlia Lithwick is a very funny writer, but she often leaves behind her normally sharp analytical skills when she writes about conservatives."
9.18.2007 5:15pm
R. Richard Schweitzer (mail):
Again, William Kristol is not a "Neo" consrvative; his daddy Irving was, by self-designation!
9.18.2007 5:15pm
Justin (mail):
The idea that Lithwick is accusing "people who disagree with her" as hyperpartisan is not true either in a general or specific sense - her problem with the people she criticizes has little to do with whether they agree or disagree with her, but how they went about making their decision. You defend that as a valid way of making a decision, she disagrees. This is a normative question about enemy/enemy/friend, and you're turning it into something far grander in order to take potshots at Lithwick. I just wish you had some degree of perspective.
9.18.2007 5:16pm
Preferred Customer:
She hardly "accuses those who disagree with her of things like 'hysterical partisanship.'"

What she said was:


If the mere fact that liberals such as Glenn Greenwald at Salon, Nan Aron at Alliance for Justice, and my colleague Emily Bazelon do not reflexively loathe him proves to be Judge Mukasey's greatest political liability, we are now so far gone down the road of hysterical partisanship that we may never recover.


That's quite different from "conservatives don't agree with me and thus must be hysterically partisan."

Moreover, her piece is based, in part, on the characterizations in the Time magazine article that she links to, which is the source of most of the predicate points about conservative objections to Mukasey. Time thus deserves a large measure of blame (if any blame is due).
9.18.2007 5:16pm
Justin (mail):
If a Democratic President nominated an AG who had been warmly praised by, say, Dick Cheney, I doubt that Lithwick would criticize liberals for being concerned about it.

I'll also go out and say this now - I think this unprovable hypothetical is silly. If Cheney said something along the lines of "I completely disagree with his views on terrorism, on security, and on executive power, but I happen to have spent time with him in Congress and he is a decent man," I don't think you'd get that much concern. Maybe some because you are specifically using a person who has a particular reputation for deceit, but that's not applicable to the liberals who have supported Mukasey in the same exact manner. Replace Cheney with a slate of support from Lindsay Graham, Orin Hatch, Orin Kerr, and Jack Goldsmith, and I think such support would be *touted* as reasons for confirmation by most liberals - and I have no reason to believe the few dissenters would have been supported by Lithwick.
9.18.2007 5:21pm
Ilya Somin:
Replace Cheney with a slate of support from Lindsay Graham, Orin Hatch, Orin Kerr, and Jack Goldsmith, and I think such support would be *touted* as reasons for confirmation by most liberals - and I have no reason to believe the few dissenters would have been supported by Lithwick.

The point is not that she would have supported them, but that she wouldn't have denounced them as "hysterical partisans."
9.18.2007 5:37pm
Ilya Somin:
Just to be clear, I don't think "Fidelis" is the only place to find conservative opposition. I noticed that at National Review, Marc Levin didn't seem to be too excited about the nomination.

Levin didn't oppose Mukasey's nomination. he merely said that he is not sure about him and that he is probably not the "best candidate." See here.. In any event, Levin, while less obscure than Burch, is still far less prominent than the numerous conservatives supporting Mukasey.
9.18.2007 5:40pm
Ilya Somin:
Talk about ironic. So it's not true that some of the reaction from the right to Mukasey is hysterical partisanship? Secondly, where does glaring inaccuracies come from? She doesn't mention that ALL conservatives oppose Mukasey. But even the ones who do support Mukasey have to account for Democratic support, as though that's some sin.

The glaring innacuracy is the attempt to create an impression that the majority of conservatives oppose Mukasey and do so for idiotic or "hysterical" reasons. For the reasons I indicate in my post, even those few who do oppose him are not, for the most part, "hysterical" or stupid, though they are misguided.

Is it glaringly inaccurate to not account for your hypothetical Democratic appointment with Cheney support? How about a Democratic appointment of two Supreme Court justices with hearty Orin Hatch support? Is it glaringly inaccurate to assume that there is "limited information" about a federal judge of nearly two decades?

Orrin Hatch was not nearly as partisan (at least back in the early 90s) as Schumer is today.

And there is indeed "limited information" about Mukasey's views on many domestic legal issues. Moreover, even if the information is available, pundits who have to react to a nomination on the same day often have not had a chance to fully study that information. In such a context, it is rational to use information shortcuts - even though those shortcuts will sometimes mislead. At the very least, it is not "hysterical partisanship" to do so.
9.18.2007 5:44pm
bittern (mail):
I, too, am very concerned in a serious way about the inaccuracies written down by Miss (or is it Ms) Dahlia Lithgow. In particular, Miss D.L. says that there is a tree house club for Conservative People in Washington, D.C., our Nation's Capital. I am one person who believes that this is not true. I think Miss D.L. should provide true evidence of this tree house club or else I think she is intentionally LYING about descent people. It's very demeaning for people who are trying very hard to do the right thing for Our Nation to get called that they are in a tree house club. Thank you Ilsa for making this point!!!
9.18.2007 5:46pm
Eli Rabett (www):
Why complain about this? It is standard tactics on the right to dig out some comment way down in the weeds and attach it to all on the left and center left. Stop whining.
9.18.2007 6:02pm
Ilya Somin:
Again, William Kristol is not a "Neo" consrvative; his daddy Irving was, by self-designation!

Bill Kristol is one by "self-designation" as well. He has coauthored a book entitled "The Neoconservative Imagination," and often describes himself as a neoconservative.
9.18.2007 6:10pm
Preferred Customer:
It seems to me that this post is as guilty of misreading the evidence in order to construct a straw man and bat it down as it accuses Lithwick of being. She nowhere says that the "majority" of conservatives oppose Mukasey, nor does she imply it. She simply says that there are some conservatives that do (clearly true, as far as I can tell). She goes a bit further by making the claim that if that conservative opposition stems from the fact that various liberals "do not reflexively loathe him," that is "hysterical partisanship," which it seems to me is also correct.

I also tend to think highly enough of Ms. Lithwick that if Democrats opposed a nominee because certain right wing figures "d[id] not reflexively loathe him," she would probably also cite this as an example of "hysterical partisanship." In any event, in the absence of evidence that she wouldn't take that position, it is more than a stretch to indict her for hypocrisy, as the post appears to try and do.
9.18.2007 6:27pm
CrazyTrain (mail):
Orrin Hatch was not nearly as partisan (at least back in the early 90s) as Schumer is today.

In all seriousness Ilya, don't you think this statement is influenced by your own political views? Did Schumer ever vote to impeach the President of the United States for basically nothing? OK, that's late 90's. Here's early 90's: Did he ever regularly appear on the radio show of someone (Rush Limbaugh) who regularly accused and/or intimated strongly that the President of the United States and his wife had an aide of theirs murdered and covered it up by faking his suicide?

In all reality, I don't think there is an objective measure for "partisanship" so I don't know who is more partisan: Hatch in the '90's or Schumer today. But I am damn sure that both of our political opinions would influence our measurement of such partisanship. Here's an example: When Schumer does something, like speak out against the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh, I see it as a principled stand against a right-wing hack whose only claim to fame is writing dime-store pornography entitled the "Starr Report." You, however, see it (likely) as "partisanship" and a cheap way to earn points by trying to block a qualified judicial nominee.
9.18.2007 6:32pm
David M. Nieporent (www):
Talk about ironic. So it's not true that some of the reaction from the right to Mukasey is hysterical partisanship?
Correct. In fact, there was no reaction from the right to Mukasey. Lithwick certainly couldn't find any; the only one she cited was one guy that nobody has heard of, and by her own admission, that opposition was based on questions about Mukasey's views on abortion -- not based on anything "partisan."
Secondly, where does glaring inaccuracies come from? She doesn't mention that ALL conservatives oppose Mukasey.
No, but she mentions lots of conservatives. She writes, "Some conservatives object to Mukasey because he's an outsider (read: independent), others because he's not a pro-life judicial activist (read: independent), and still others because he is respected by some liberals (read: independent)." Except that there's no evidence that any of these people exist outside of Lithwick's imagination.


Did Schumer ever vote to impeach the President of the United States for basically nothing?
No, but he did vote to filibuster judicial nominees for basically nothing. And by "basically nothing," I don't mean "obstruction of justice" the way you do by that phrase.
9.18.2007 7:09pm
CrazyTrain (mail):
No, but [Schumer] did vote to filibuster judicial nominees for basically nothing.

That's quite rich. Compare Schumer's filibusters to the number of judges who never got out of committee under Hatch when he ran the Judiciary Committee in the 90's. I guarantee you that the numbers Hatch held up are several orders of magnitude higher than the dozen or so judges who got filibustered by the Dems with Schumer supporting. You just got owned, but thanks for trying. In any event, you missed my point -- not surprising that your reading comprehension is not much better than your knowledge of history.
9.18.2007 7:23pm
Ilya Somin:
It seems to me that this post is as guilty of misreading the evidence in order to construct a straw man and bat it down as it accuses Lithwick of being. She nowhere says that the "majority" of conservatives oppose Mukasey, nor does she imply it. She simply says that there are some conservatives that do (clearly true, as far as I can tell).

I think it's pretty clear that she meant to suggest that a majority of conservatives oppose Mukasey, or at the very least, that a large and influential minority does so. Further strengthening this influence is her comparison of the opposition to Mukasey with the conservative opposition to Harriet Miers (who was indeed opposed by a majority).

If it were only a tiny number of people with little or no influence, there would be no point to the article. You can find a small number of insgnificant conservatives somewhere who would oppose almost anything.
9.18.2007 7:29pm
David M. Nieporent (www):
I guarantee you that the numbers Hatch held up are several orders of magnitude higher than the dozen or so judges who got filibustered by the Dems with Schumer supporting.
Well, I guarantee you that you don't know what the words "orders of magnitude" mean.
9.18.2007 7:35pm
Bob from Ohio (mail):
One unknown conservative at a small "advocacy" group opposes it, a couple of minor pundits are lukewarm. It is a tidal wave of opposition!

Any "opposition" by conservatives is indifference due to the perception that the President backed away from a worthy and winnable fight for Olson or someone like him to nominate a bland unknown like Mukasey.
9.18.2007 7:45pm
EH (mail):
After the past two weeks here, I have to say I'm surprised at the lack of Chemerinsky news from the past 24 hours.
9.18.2007 8:08pm
Charlie (Colorado) (mail):
Since when has Lithwick let a mere disagreement with the facts stand in the way of any point she wants to me?
9.18.2007 8:10pm
LM (mail):

Well, I guarantee you that you don't know what the words "orders of magnitude" mean.

You presume that when Liberals speak of orders of magnitude we apply the conventional factor of 10. This probably won't make sense to you since your Conservative brain locks up in response to new input, but this week we're using a factor of 3.
9.18.2007 8:25pm
CrazyTrain (mail):
David -- nice come back. You showed me. Now, run along.
9.18.2007 9:10pm
Justin (mail):
The idea that Schumer is some hyperpartisan and Hatch is/was a moderate is so irritating as to make the whole discussion moot. If you are going to assume the very things you are trying to argue (Schumer! Hyperliberal partisan - because he rejects things just because the other party is for it! Orin Hatch! Good guy all around - his failure to give Judges a hearing was out of *profound and serious concern* for the judiciary!), and shift the goalposts (Lithwick is now being faulted for the possibility that she *might* not go out of her way to attack liberals for something she has attacked conservatives for, even though you have claimed to be ok with the fact that she is biased), then yes, you win.
9.18.2007 9:20pm
Justin (mail):
BTW, I've never found arguing by negative hypothetical (if the roles were reversed, my biased view of my opponent is that she'd do x, proving y) all that effective - but certainly its not effective if you can't *support* the hypothetical with anything *other* than your biases.
9.18.2007 9:22pm
CrazyTrain (mail):
Justin, I would note that Ilya did not respond to my noting this, and given that he has responded to several others, I assume he agrees with me.
9.18.2007 9:23pm
David M. Nieporent (www):
BTW, I've never found arguing by negative hypothetical (if the roles were reversed, my biased view of my opponent is that she'd do x, proving y) all that effective - but certainly its not effective if you can't *support* the hypothetical with anything *other* than your biases.
Justin, I agree with you on this. It's sometimes hard to resist the temptation to do it, but it's pretty useless as a line of argument because it relies on unprovable hypotheticals.

(Further, even if one could establish the hypothetical, the most one could prove with the argument would be hypocrisy; it wouldn't prove which time the person was right. Maybe they were wrong before and they're right now.)
9.18.2007 9:42pm
Ilya Somin:
I would note that Ilya did not respond to my noting this, and given that he has responded to several others, I assume he agrees with me.

As I have pointed out in response to comments in the past, you should not assume that I agree with a criticism just because I didn't respond to it. If I really do agree with it, I would post an update in the original post whatever I said that I no longer agree with.

As for the Hatch vs. Schumer issue that I think led to this comment thread, I will note that I referred to Hatch "in the early 1990s" as being less partisan than Schumer. At that time, Hatch had not yet held up Clinton judicial nominees or done most of the other things that Democrats later came to dislike him for. Therefore, Hatch endorsing a nominee circa 1993-94 was not nearly as much of a lightning rod to Democrats as Schumer endorsing a nominee would be to Republicans today. I was already an adult in 93-94 and well remember that Hatch did not figure very much in Democratic demonology at the time (although some other republicans, e.g. - Jesse Helms, did), whereas Schumer is certainly a prominent object of hostility for Republicans today.
9.18.2007 10:16pm
EricH (mail):
From what I can tell from Ms. Lithwick's article and other readings, the list of conservatives opposed (not undecided/agnostic) to Judge Mukasey consists of:

1) Brian Burch

Can anyone here cite a second?

Ms. Lithwick, you there?
9.18.2007 11:35pm
Justin (mail):
BTW, that's another flaw of arguing in the hypothetical - people will generally come out at you with real world examples, and you end up having to differentiate those examples (often in ways that make you look arbitrary or foolish), and all *just to get back to a null set*.

But this should put a rest to Hatch's supposed "reputation" in the early 1990s:

Hatch's
9.18.2007 11:39pm
NickM (mail) (www):
I think an objective test of partisanship could be rather easily devised - how about analyzing a legislator's percentage of votes with his caucus's majority position and with the opposing caucus's majority position. This can be further extended to bill authorship/sponsorship issues - what percentage of coauthors/cosponsors on a legislator's authored/sponsored bills are from the same party.

In fact, I expect that these measures already exist in a variety of different formats, and they are occasionally used in media stories - often to indicate how often a "liberal Republican" or "conservative Democrat" votes with the other party.

I won't spend the time to look it up on voting, but anecdotal evidence (high-profile bills) leads me to believe that Hatch has been significantly less partisan than Schumer for sponsorship/authorship questions.

Nick
9.18.2007 11:57pm
Justin (mail):
Nick, you mean these voter rankings?
9.19.2007 12:18am
Justin (mail):
9.19.2007 12:19am
LM (mail):
For 1995 Chuck Shumer had a mean liberal rating (compiled from the ratings of 8 liberal groups) of 95%. For 1992, Orrin Hatch had an ACU rating of 96%.
9.19.2007 1:16am
LM (mail):
Sorry. The Schumer rating is from 2005, not 1995.
9.19.2007 1:18am
David M. Nieporent (www):
Justin, the MoJo story you posted seems to cut off slightly early. I think it skipped the part where Hatch did something partisan.
9.19.2007 3:48am
rarango (mail):
Mostly off topic: I have seen the rhetorical trick "if you dont reply I assume you either agree with me or won't admit your wrong" tactic increasingly used. Mostly by godless libruls, of course and almost never by saintly consurvtuves. Is there a short hand logical fallacy name for this rhetorical slight of hand?
9.19.2007 9:43am
Justin (mail):
David,

The article explains that Hatch was the most active and aggressive Republican in fighting Democratic nominees. I thought that might be more on point than symbolic rants about evil Democrats, but whatever. You are just too clever.
9.19.2007 10:52am
PLR:
Rarango, I believe it is closest to the Burden of Proof fallacy. "I have stated X, you have not made any attempt to rebut or negate X, therefore X is true." This fallaciously assumes that you have some duty to admit or deny X, or that my mere stating of X with less than conclusive factual support has shifted the burden of proof away from myself.
9.19.2007 12:24pm
JL (mail):
Was Harry Reid's promise to fight a Ted Olson nomination because Olson had been Solicitor General for a Republican president and had represented George Bush in the Florida recount not hysterical partisanship? Or is HP something only done by conservatives?
9.19.2007 12:24pm
rarango (mail):
PLR: Thanks so much; I figured there had to be some logical fallacy involved. Appreciate your assistance very much.
9.19.2007 2:11pm
NickM (mail) (www):
Justin - those are a collection of interest group ratings, not an objective measure of partisanship, so that doesn't work.

Nick
9.19.2007 4:15pm
TimofMA (mail):
The conversation here about judicial appointments is forgetting (or should I say "misremembering"?) a key point. The party that has majority power is fully in its rights in not allowing a judicial appointment through. Judicial appointments are supposed to require majority—and no more than a majority.

When one uses the filibuster because one is in a minority, this subverts the majority-rule principle, which is supposed to prevail in this case (though not in all cases). There are specific cases where super-majority votes are required, but this is not one of them. And there are precedents for using the filibuster in certain extreme situations—but again, judicial appointments was not one of them. So when the Democrats started using the filibuster to oppose judicial appointments, when there was a Republican President and Republican rule in both chambers of commerce, it was simply gumming up the way that our government was designed to work. This was the reason there was such an outcry; the Congress is entrusted with an advise and consent role, and the majority (that is, our representatives, and so theoretically something like a geographically-diverse majority of us) is supposed to be able to nominate. That's what elections are for: to determine where the majority is, and then allow that majority to make policy.

Of course, both parties have used the filibuster in many different circumstances, and I'm by no means defending every time Republicans used it. But you have to recognize there is a very fundamental difference between holding up a nominee via vote or committee proceedings when one is in the majority, and doing so by filibuster when one has failed to win the majority.
9.19.2007 5:42pm
SIG357:
Justin's rankings.


The eight groups used in this study are:

ACLU - American Civil Liberties Union
ADA - Americans for Democratic Action
CDF - Children's Defense Fund
LCV - League of Conservation Voters
NAACP - National Association for the Advancement of Colored People
NARAL - National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League
PTA - National Parent-Teacher Association
SEIU - Service Employees International Union




Amazingly enough, these groups rated virtually every last Republican senator as being a right wing extremist. Who would have thunk it?
9.19.2007 6:44pm
Joe Bingham (mail):
Lithwick also makes a silly argument...

Post again when there's news?
9.20.2007 3:45pm