That poster was hilarious. Anyone who could not see it wasn't meant to be taken seriously, like the "Muslim" depicted in the poster, also has a peg leg. The peg leg, however, is located in a different part of that person's body. Seriously, how could a person not tell those posters were fake?

Maybe the poster should have said that Muslims don't have laser beam eyes, but rather, have sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads.

Richard Aubrey: I agree with your sentiments.

Will the administration go after the "pranksters"? Will Brand Kroeger call for the students' expulsion?

If not, why not?

I realize the posters were intended to make fun of people who hold stereotypes about Muslims. But some people obviously took the poster differently and were "offended." Should the intent of the speaker matter?

Will an investigation occur? Will these distinctions be discussed? Or will everyone just say, "Oh, it wasn't the conservative kids who posted this stuff, so we'll just forget about it."

Mike&.

I have no doubt that any complaining by the YAF about having been slimed will be taken as indication of islamophobia and sanctions will be severe.
As to the perps....what, you want to make a case out of a prank?

"I realize the posters were intended to make fun of people who hold stereotypes about Muslims. But some people obviously took the poster differently and were "offended." Should the intent of the speaker matter? "

I disagree. The posters were to make fun of people whom the persons who put up the posters stereotype as people who hold stereotypes about Muslims. And the people who were fooled held the same stereotypes towards the conservative students as the people who put up the posters. Whole lot of sterotyping going on, but it is the university approved, good type so nothing much will happen. Islamofascists? Still not discussed.

"There has been a murder. Round up the usual suspects!"

Islamofascism is a religious and political ideology, and deserves condemnation; note also that the people who are killed and oppressed by Islamofascists are, of course, overwhelmingly of the same ethnic groups as the Islamofascists themselves.

It's fun to throw around made-up words like "Islamofascist", but let's be honest. It's like calling somebody the "bogeyman". It's a label meant to make the target seem more menacing and threatening, but (unless you strip the word "fascist" of any historical context or meaning) the label itself is a fiction. If you are willing to redefine the word "fascist" as meaning "totalitarian", well, you could use the proper word. But Islamototalitarian isn't scary, so who cares about accuracy, right?

Now it turns out that the poster was put up by student critics

Was anyone ever in doubt about this? How could someone who did not immediately realize that even get into GW?

They are/were going to make the YAF swear/sign some sort of Multicultural awareness pap in order to proceed as a student group. For something they didn't do! That enough is chilling.

Via HotAir:

. Bridgette Behling, the assistant director of the Student Activities Center at GWU, wrote an email to one of the conservative students urging them to disavow hate speech that may originate from any future Foundation events: “due to the inflammatory nature of today’s events [falsified posters], as a good faith effort on behalf of YAF, it is important that YAF drafts a statement which states that you will not allow hate speech to be a part of any of YAF’s events, literature, written or verbal communication planned for Islamofacism Week. This statement should also include your plan for preventing these things from happening as well as the consequences for these things happening. It is important that we have this document should any further incidents occur as we move forward.”

I agree that this is protected satire.

The problem is that if the YAF had been responsible, they would have been expelled, and no explanation would have sufficed.

Now it turns out that the poster was put up by student critics

Was anyone ever in doubt about this? How could someone who did not immediately realize that even get into GW?

I completely agree. Brand Kroeger (!) needs to take a remedial reading comprehension class.

Islamofascism is a religious and political ideology, and deserves condemnation; note also that the people who are killed and oppressed by Islamofascists are, of course, overwhelmingly of the same ethnic groups as the Islamofascists themselves.

Professor Volokh, you've got to be kidding me. What is "Islamofascism"? Why is that a useful term for what it is? Please provide some examples of prominent "Islamofascists." What is the connection between "Islamofascism" and Italian fascism for example. Would you as a Jew be offended by references to the Likud (a direct descendant of the Jewish Revisionist movement) as Judeofascists? Would you be offended by references to former Israeli PM Yitzhak Shamir (a member of Etzel, a group formed by a man who in the middle of World War II wrote a letter to Hitler proposing an alliance between right-wing Zionists and the Nazis) as a Judeonazi?

I support free speech, and anyone is free to use the term Islamofascist as much as they want. But those who do so reveal themselves as idiots completely unfamiliar with extremist Islam, and also needlessly alienate a key ally we need in our struggle against such extremism, i.e. Muslims who are not extremists.

And a note about the term Islamofascist: in the Religious Studies biz the prefered term is Islamism for the ideology and Islamist for an adherant of it. I suspect that the term "Islamism" predates the term "Isamofascism" since the former was in wide use before 9/11.

CrazyTrain: "But those who do so reveal themselves as idiots completely unfamiliar with extremist Islam, and also needlessly alienate a key ally we need in our struggle against such extremism, i.e. Muslims who are not extremists."

Interesting. Are any non-extremist Muslims offended by calling Al Queda Islamofascist? Why? Concern with linguistic precision in English?

bedwetter-that's the new battle cry of the left. they are hell on wheels versus Republicans and Bush but against people that kill thousands of their countrymen, not so much. non-bedwetters have the courage to ignore what occurred and engage in parsing of language as to what an "islamofascist" is instead of recognizing we have a global enemy that would like to up the body count. thank god we have people with their courage and wisdom.

Are any non-extremist Muslims offended by calling Al Queda Islamofascist? Why?

Eugene's colleague, Dr. Khaled Abou el Fadl has criticized use of the term for similar reasons that I just did. Professor Volokh should perhaps talk to him before posting such utter crap about which he knows nothing.

at the very least these posters promoted hate towards a political group on campus, unfairly misrepresented and libeled the views of that group and showed a complete lack of respect and care with respect to their peers

then again, one look at kokash's blog at you can tell we aren't dealing with the nicest or brightest bulbs

CrazyTrain: "Eugene's colleague, Dr. Khaled Abou el Fadl has criticized use of the term for similar reasons that I just did. Professor Volokh should perhaps talk to him before posting such utter crap about which he knows nothing."

And have we lost the support of Dr. Al Fadl in the struggle against Al Queda? Does imprecision in the use of the term Islamofascist cause him to withdraw support?

"Fascism" has a real historical meaning, particularly in the Italian context. It is explicitly against free market capitalism, calling for the state control of industry. Osama himself is virulently anti-corporation and anti-capitalism. He is both a fascist and an Islamist.

Also, there are also examples of the nazi brand German fascism among Islamists. Key examples were Arafat's uncle and the Handschar SS division in WW2.

And to save some considerable embarrassment to a typical lefty, Mussolini never said "fascism = corporatism." That is an urban legend promulgated by anti-capitalists. Also, the "14 characteristics of fascism" that is popular on lefty sites is also a fraud. The purported author "Dr. Britt" is a fake. But unfortunately, most lefties are easily duped into believing a fanciful made up definition of fascism, just so they can run around screaming "boosh is a bigger fascist than Osama!"

"Fascism" has a real historical meaning, particularly in the Italian context. It is explicitly against free market capitalism, calling for the state control of industry. Osama himself is virulently anti-corporation and anti-capitalism. He is both a fascist and an Islamist.

It is more accurate to say that some of bin Laden's views are congruous with some of the views of historical fascists. However, he is still at core an Islamist.

CrazyTrain: Professor Volokh, you've got to be kidding me. What is "Islamofascism"? Why is that a useful term for what it is? Please provide some examples of prominent "Islamofascists." What is the connection between "Islamofascism" and Italian fascism for example.

You've got to be kidding me -- there's no way someone could possibly miss the point by this much without feigning idiocy.

Look, 'fascist' in English can mean in the literal sense, but it's also popularly used as shorthand for totalitarianism -- which a lot of the nastier Islamist movements definitely are. Just pick up a dictionary, man.

I'm curious why you consider whining about how what is basically an insult isn't sufficiently precise an effective argument a worthwhile argument to make. Gives the impression you can't vocalize your real objection, so you latch onto a technically correct but actually worthless one and hammer it into the ground.

Would you be offended by references to former Israeli PM Yitzhak Shamir as a Judeonazi?

Yeah, but there's a special reason for that. See if you can find out what it is!

The term "Islamofascist" is utterly without meaning, but packed with emotional explosives. It is a propaganda creation worthy Dr. Goebbels, and the latest expression of the big lie technique being used by neocons in Washington’s propaganda war against its enemies in the Muslim World.


Both the terms "terrorism" and "fascist" have been so abused and overused that they have lost any original meaning. The best modern definition I’ve read of fascism comes in former Columbia University Professor Robert Paxton’s superb 2004 book, The Anatomy of Fascism.

Paxton defines fascism’s essence, which he aptly terms its "emotional lava" as: 1. a sense of overwhelming crisis beyond reach of traditional solutions; 2. belief one’s group is the victim, justifying any action without legal or moral limits; 3. need for authority by a natural leader above the law, relying on the superiority of his instincts; 4. right of the chosen people to dominate others without legal or moral restraint; 5. fear of foreign "contamination."

Fascism demands a succession of wars, foreign conquests, and national threats to keep the nation in a state of fear, anxiety and patriotic hypertension. Those who disagree are branded ideological traitors. All successful fascists regimes, Paxton points out, allied themselves to traditional conservative parties, and to the military-industrial complex.

Highly conservative and militaristic regimes are not necessarily fascist, says Paxton. True fascism requires relentless aggression abroad and a semi-religious adoration of the regime at home.

None of the many Muslim groups opposing US-British control of the Mideast fit Paxton’s definitive analysis. The only truly fascist group ever to emerge in the Mideast was Lebanon’s Maronite Christian Phalange Party in the 1930’s which, ironically, became an ally of Israel’s rightwing in the 1980’s.

It is grotesque watching the Bush Administration maintain the ludicrous pretense they are re-fighting World War II. The only similarity between that era and today is the cultivation of fear, war fever and racist-religious hate by US neoconservatives and America’s religious far right, which is now boiling with hatred for anything Muslim.

Under the guise of fighting a "third world war" against "Islamic fascism," America’s far right is infecting its own nation with the harbingers of WWII totalitarianism.

In the western world, hatred of Muslims has become a key ideological hallmark of rightwing parties. We see this overtly in the United States, France, Italy, Holland, Denmark, Poland, and, most lately, Canada, and more subtly expressed in Britain and Belgium. The huge uproar over blatantly anti-Muslim cartoons published in Denmark laid bare the seething Islamophobia spreading through western society.

There is nothing in any part of the Muslim World that resembles the corporate fascist states of western history. In fact, clan and tribal-based traditional Islamic society, with its fragmented power structures, local loyalties, and consensus decision-making, is about as far as possible from western industrial state fascism.

The Muslim World is replete with brutal dictatorships, feudal monarchies, and corrupt military-run states, but none of these regimes, however deplorable, fits the standard definition of fascism. Most, in fact, are America’s allies.

Nor do underground Islamic militant groups ("terrorists" in western terminology). They are either focused on liberating land from foreign occupation, overthrowing "un-Islamic" regimes, driving western influence from their region, or imposing theocracy based on early Islamic democracy.

Claims by fevered neoconservatives that Muslim radicals plan to somehow impose a worldwide Islamic caliphate are lurid fantasies worthy of Dr. Fu Manchu and yet another example of the big lie technique that worked so well over Iraq.

As Prof. Andrew Bosworth notes in an incisive essay on so-called Islamic fascism, "Islamic fundamentalism is a transnational movement inherently opposed to the pseudo-nationalism necessary for fascism."

However, there are plenty of modern fascists. But to find them, you have to go to North America and Europe. These neo-fascists advocate "preemptive attacks against all potential enemies," grabbing other nation’s resources, overthrowing uncooperative governments, military dominance of the world, hatred of Semites (Muslims in this case), adherence to biblical prophecies, hatred of all who fail to agree, intensified police controls, and curtailment of "liberal" political rights.

They revel in flag-waving, patriotic melodrama, demonstrations of military power, and use the mantle of patriotism to feather the nests of the military-industrial complex, colluding legislators and lobbyists. They urge war to the death, fought, of course, by other people’s children. They have turned important sectors of the media into propaganda organs and brought the Pentagon largely under their control.

Now, the neoconservatives are busy whipping up war against Syria and Iran to keep themselves in power and maintain the political dynamics of this 21st century revival of fascism.

The real modern fascists are not in the Muslim World, but Washington. The neocons screaming fascist the loudest, are the true fascists themselves. It’s a pity that communist and leftist propaganda so debased the term "neo-fascist" that it has become almost meaningless. Because that is what we should be calling the so-called neocons, for that is what they really are.


E.Margolis

In the western world, hatred of Muslims has become a key ideological hallmark of rightwing parties. We see this overtly in the United States, France, Italy, Holland, Denmark, Poland, and, most lately, Canada, and more subtly expressed in Britain and Belgium. The huge uproar over blatantly anti-Muslim cartoons published in Denmark laid bare the seething Islamophobia spreading through western society.

Actually, it laid bare (1) that some Muslims are willing to react violently to speech that they find blasphemous and (2) that many liberal Western media outlets made editorial choices on the basis of fear, rather than principles.

However, the overall point that most Islamists are opposed to the kind of central government and nationalism that is required to implement fascism is a good reason not to use the term.

While I believe in the First Amendment, this right-wing smear group has no right to violate the Constitutional rights of Muslims who are oppressed by their white, Western Jesusfreak masters who continually lie about Islam. They have no right to force their racist hatred on others. They should be arrested, tried, convicted, and sentenced to spend a long time in jail.

Sadly, the above nonsense would get a lot of support on the GW campus.

let's see-Islam as a race, not a religion, the real bad guys are us, not the Taliban or the 9/11 psychopaths. I guess the left has arrived on the scene, armed with talking points and drivel.
"I'd have to check the numbers on that, though -- I don't have a clear memory of how many actual deaths have resulted from either source"-yep, we should all be concerned about those organized christofascists and their attempts to murder people around the globe. will you conservatives stop parodying the mindless left with posts like this. surely no one could be so ignorant.

I'm curious why you consider whining about how what is basically an insult isn't sufficiently precise an effective argument a worthwhile argument to make.

So it sounds like we all agree that "islamofascist" is nothing more than a general insult. Identical in all essential elements to "judeonazi" - to borrow from Crazy Train. Fine.

I would be pissed off if some guy were going around trying to get universities to host "Judeonazi Awareness Week" - wouldn't you?

The days when ideologues put their money where their mouth is and acted like men is long gone.

To even be considered a “Man of the Left” in the 30’s in this country you had to have earned your stripes in Spain’s Civil War. Thousands of lefty pinko Americans marched off to fight (foolishly and naively in my view) in a war that wasn’t even theirs.

But at least they acted like men. Horowitz or any of the other Neocons or their dim witted dumb dumb followers actually create a volunteer brigade (as in unpaid with no benefits) like the Lefties of old and march off to fight their particular ideological dragons? Give me a break. No way. The fact of the matter is that the Neocons don’t believe their own lies. They are not true believers in their “cause”- not really. They are cynical whored out pitch men for the MIC and that is who pays their bills.

So they bay and hoot for war and invent insipid stupid things like “Islamofacism Awareness Week” or whatever and then act like dummies and call everyone who disagress with them “leftists”.

I share pretty much nothing in common ideologicaly speaking with the Old Leftists in this country who marched off to fight in Spain. But at least they actually believed their spew and were men.

These She-male shrewish whores called “Neocons” and their rank and file fat goo filled moo-moo wearers wouldn’t be fit to polish the boots of a Pinko American like John Reed.

it shouldn't lead to a banning-it should be placed on a plaque celebrating the great thoughts of the left. I am sure you could get the poster going about the Zionists leading us into war by using their cabal of neocons as well. of course, those giants of the left were also the ones fighting Stalin's battles for him over here-I can't help, though, but hold back my admiration for the Walter Duranty's and the Rosenberg's of the past.

WHOI.

Explain yourself

satire is the whoopee cushion that gives you a quick laugh as you settle down onto an otherwise uncomfortable chair again and again.

if you havent already, you should definitely seek out the power of nightmares, i believe its available on www.tv-links.co.uk in documentaries but dont hold me to it.

looks, like you know something about it,ejo.

Tell me about it , then may be I will comment on your fantasies

so you can't explain yourself, WHOI Jacket

Explain what, how your post reads like the jabberings of a person on a sidewalk with Borderline Personality Disorder?

Or the disregard for the comment policy posted right there below that [Post Comment] button.

I do agree that Facism isn't a completely accurate label for these groups- which is why we use the modifier, Islamo. Therefore, you get a modified word! Islamofascism, the intersection of Islamism and Fascism.

While Islamists feel the need to create an Islamic theocracy, the Islamofascist throws in all these great extras, like hero-worship, Jew-race-baiting, Genocidal rabbling, calls to expel (or oppress) foreign nationals, and justifications for the mass killings of innocent noncombatants. For me, the term is quite useful.

Paxton defines fascism’s essence, which he aptly terms its "emotional lava" as: 1. a sense of overwhelming crisis beyond reach of traditional solutions;

You don't believe that the people taking up suicide bombings and the like aren't claiming that they are in a war? That seems pretty much a crisis to me.

2. belief one’s group is the victim, justifying any action without legal or moral limits;

Have you not seen the numerous claims that US and Israel are the cause of all misery? That it is ok to engage in targeting civilians (against the law) in order to remove the threat to adherents of true Islam?


3. need for authority by a natural leader above the law, relying on the superiority of his instincts;

From Osama, to Arafat, to the various Ayatollahs, there seems to be a common justification for committing atrocities in that their leader has seen a path to the salvation of their peoples. This has lead Osama to insist that his troops are justified in breaking the laws of their countries (Saudi Arabia, Jordan, etc) as long as they are carrying out the orders of their leader.

Even in Iran, though there are technical laws against murder, these laws are frequently disregarded in cases of honor killings or assassinations of political rivals.

Have you been to any of these countries or neighborhoods where the various leaders are glorified in iconographic splendor such as we haven't seen since the death of Franco?

4. right of the chosen people to dominate others without legal or moral restraint;

You haven't seen Osama and others' claims that such places as Andalusia (i.e. Spain) belong to the empire he expects founded in his image?

5. fear of foreign "contamination."

C.f. rejection of Jews, and the terrible violence against anyone implicated as being part Jew, consorting with Jews, or otherwise under the spells of Jews. C.f. Osama bin Laden's initial call-to-arms because EVIL AMERICANS were contaminating his motherland (Saudi Arabia).

What treatment was that?

If it's an insult, I don't care who comes under it. Insult whoever you want.

I just don't think an epithet should be advanced as the general-use term for any group, whether they deserve it or not. Having a chapter in a textbook on "Islamofascism" feels a lot like having a chapter on "The Habits of Southern White Trash." Can't we use a less loaded term for serious debate?

I had no problem with "radical Islam" or "militant Islam." "Islamofascist" is simply a slur.

Randal,
Is "fascist" a slur? How about nazi? If someone is actually a member of a nazi party, how is it a slur if I call them a fascist nazi? Similarly, if someone is actually an Islamist and a fascist (I cited examples), how is it a slur to use an accurate term to describe them?

you sons a bitches American terrorist fuckers, The world hates you, you are the real terrorists of the earth you kill millions.

How many bin laden killed?? [hundreds maybe thousands]
How many USA terrorists killed?? [MILLIONS including Native Americans, Japanese {hiroshima, nagasaki), Vietnamese, North Korean, Afghan, Iraqi, Philippines]

So much damn blood on your hands im surprized you have the nerve to talk?

you and your country full of terrorists will collapse soon enough, the muslim world have had enough of your shit, we will start selling our oil in the EURO and overcharge your snooty asses.

Damn terrorists cross the ocean to attack a nation that had NOTHING to do with 9/11, and you still want to get bombed from Iran. keep that shit up you terrorists, your nation is living off of borrowed time and borrowed money. Your shit immoral nation will collapse soon.

Freedom Fighter.

You know what? You're right. So keep your posts anonymous. It will take us longer--just a bit--to get to you. But don't be buying no green bananas.

Richard Aubrey, you can't do anything even IF you find me.

hahahhahahah, doesn't matter anyway, your country is bankrupt, you are living off of borrowed time and money from China. Don't believe me???? Check with your comptroller general David Walker from the Government Accountability O,ffice. He can let you know the Social Security Medicare, and Medicaid burden you will have to pay for babyboomers which will bankrupt the United States of Terror. Good riddance!

Hoister is that NAZI or AMERICAN, wait i forgot United States of Terror = NAZI (operation paper clip)

Y'know, Freedom, I just don't see it that way. But I guess you just aren't a Pat Benetar fan.

"Islamofascism" has the same level of specificity and adds the same amount of utility to the language as "judicial activism." As the latter term means "decisions made by judges that I don't like," the former means "Islamists that I don't like."

If dealing with (and stopping the rise of) Islamism is the existential crisis that so many claim, the use of a sloppy pejorative weakens our ability to understand and cope with the threat.

Hoosier.

More like sixty-five.

Freedom Fighter, I know what you mean about the end being near. I thought the same thing in the late 1970s. Trillion dollar deficit, oil prices shooting up, a malaise (as Chris Matthews wrote into Carter's speech.

But then Ronald Reagan came along and the economy boomed and the over-financed military invented the Internet, and things haven't been better. It's a new world. You can't underestimate free capitalist Christians when they get serious about something. Soon we'll have new sources of power, desalination of sea water, the biggest booming economy in the history of the world. You watch.

By the way, why do Islamists have to keep their women in bags? Are they so afraid that someone will get a woodie looking at their women?

And you should realize, a woman's eye brows show what her bush looks like so a scarf or veil doesn't do any good. Unless you use the full body burkah on her, guys are looking at your women and imagining their bushes.

HAHAHA and while your nation is collapsing all you can think about is "bushes", ain't that right "Truth" seeker?

hahah such an immoral nation, its no wounder gays find refuge with Christians, they are one in the same.

How about a RADICAL EXTREMIST RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN AMERICAN FASCIST NAZI awareness week??

I guess that's everyday awareness, just turn on tv.

" And exactly which Islamic group/nation had a better economy, science, medicine, engineering, or technology during the last, say 1000 years? "

ohh wait you mean the Economy based on the enslavement of african americans?

Or do you mean the science and technology you stole from NAZI GERMANY [operation paper clip] ??

you know, the world wouldn't give a shit about the United States of Terror if they didn't use their technology to kill people on such a massive scale.

But since you like asking questions instead of answering them why not tell me which nation used their science and technology to drop two atomic bombs on civilian populated cities NAGASAKI AND HIROSHIMA which killed 200,000+ civilians and disfigured countless others due to radiation?

What is it with the Christ-Fascists and "Osama bin hidin' "

hahahah the only people i see hiding is US troops hiding in the Green zone behind a wall. =)

"And saved the lives of a million American soldiers who otherwise would have needed to die in order to subdue the nation that attacked us."

hahahah so you KILL CIVILIANS in order to SAVE TROOPS.. hahahahahhahahahahaahhahaha AMERICAN TERRORIST LOGIC IS FUNNY!!

Another thing you funny naive americans gotta realize is that islam has no state, we are a stateless entity. Japan was a state.

you cannot win, we WILL win.

If "fascism" is to mean anything other than "You are to my right and I don't like you," then it needs to refer to a sahred[sic] set of qualities.

I perceive obvious shared qualities amongst the self-avowed AlQaeda affiliate groups. Not the least of the that they are self-avowed affiliates and that they act quite similarly whenever they come into day-to-day control of a territory.

The subservience of the individual to the state.

Are you claiming they tolerate dissent?

Regimentation of public life.

They have that in spades.

Racial/ethnic cohesion.

Why should the Islamist's religiously based cohesion exclude them from the fascist categorization?

Worship of a charismatic leader who is generally called simply "The Leader." (E.g., Der Fuehrer, Il Duce, El Caudillo)

I'm unaware of any actual "worship" ceremonies dedicated to these persons, i.e., what ablutions were due were due to whomever held the post, not the person. The Nazi's came most close, but literal worship simply never happened.

Belief in a serious internal threat from disloyal elements.

What, praytell, do you think the Islamofascists do to those who dissent from them in the least way--they whip folks for smoking, for crying out loud--what do you think they do to those they view to be actual apostates? Do you think they view such persons as being no threat?

This doesn't strike me as a good description of the Taliban regime.

Then you need to learn something about them.

The same people who use the term are the ones who literally think that we are in grave danger of America being turned into an Islamic state in the near future (see, e.g., Clayton Cramer's completely serious comments about not wanting to vote for Hillary because he did not want his granddaughter to wear a Burka and he did not want to live his last days as a 2nd class citizen because he would not convert to Islam).

Actually I'm concerned that if opposed ineffectively--and however poorly he's done it, G. W. Bush has opposed them better than any other President has--the Islamofacists will acquire the capability to regularly kill a few ten-thousands of my fellow citizens while knocking off several percent of our GDP at a whack.

The end result of going on as before 9/11 will probably be ten to fifty of the attacks I outline above before the movement burns itself out, and I'd rather prevent such attacks altogether by burning them out.

Islamofascist works very well as a word to describe them, capturing both their motivation and the degree of their totalitarianism.

Yours, TDP, ml, msl, &pfpp

Hoosier, why else do you think the spanish population in the United States of Terror will outnumber the white population in the near future? because of your use of "birth-control devices"

"why else do you think the spanish population in the United States of Terror will outnumber the white population in the near future?"

Wait. I don't follow. People are coming here from Spain in droves because of our birth-control devices?

Are sure about your source on that one?

Hoosier, give me a figure how many Radical Muslims killed.

"Wait. I don't follow. People are coming here from Spain in droves because of our birth-control devices?

yes spanish also known by whites as the mexicans, illegals, undocumented workers.. etc.

"Wait. I don't follow. People are coming here from Spain in droves because of our birth-control devices?

yes spanish also known by whites as the mexicans, illegals, undocumented workers.. etc.

I still don't get it. Why are they lured here by our birth-control devices?

"Hey, take your time. No rush. You probably need to do a quick head count.

(Get it? "Head count"? Because you guys like decapitation so much? Ah well, I won't quit my day job.)"

your good at making jokes, but even better at dodging questions, you MUST be related to bush.

but on a more serious note, you have any figures we can compare?

"Freedom--You clearly haven't heard of our newest weapon: The Islamic Bomb."

Does it make everyone's clothes disappear so that all the Muslims have to kill all the women in their families for appearing nude?

"So what should be done? Expel them. It is only fair. Hate speech should not be tolerated. Even satirical hate speech."

But just last week we witnessed a thread that really got out of hand with numerous posters mocking and ridiculing the stereotype of the retarded guy who tripped on the curb, and even helping him trip and fall down some more -- is there a double standard at the Volokh?

"OK . . . you DO know that the African Americans are Christians too, don't you? "

The KKK were christian, or shal i say CHRIST-FASCISTS.

Of coarse I know the Africans are christians they were forced to convert by the rifle by Radical white fundamentalists once they were enslaved in the United States of Terror.

On another note, did anybody see the Mulsim Barbie doll? Hopefully that is not a new funding source for Al-Qaeda.

Perhaps today. In another generation I suspect not. The public has mostly bought off on the need for new energy sources. That will allow politicians to fund many new ventures over the next several years.. We'll find something else. We always do :)



hey why not get ethenol, i hear its realllll expensive.. at least that way you can starve while you drive your SUV's =)


No. One of the reasons I often ignore alot of this discussion is that I have no doubt in the end you can't win the war, just some battles. The Iraq war has helped with this, in that it's made alot of people realize just how much of a hell a ground war is. If the US is attacked again in a major way, I suspect the majority in the US will support a large air campaign against whomever we think did it.


THAT IS THE FUNNIEST THING I EVER HEARD... your economy is in shambles (68% debt, mostly to communist china) you wasted 1 trillion Dollar, the opec countries are now switching to Euros.. lol not only that you can't even set up a good puppet government in Iraq and Afghanistan.

This generation of americans are incompetent and funny, like their president ;)

The Japanese are working on a camera that takes a photo right through any clothing. Poor Muslim women will need to wear lead burkahs.

Truth Seeker, thanks for showing what the west is all about, SEX and PERVERSION.

"THAT IS THE FUNNIEST THING I EVER HEARD." Well DUH!

I mean, you guys have banned anything fun, haven't you?

"Funny, we haven't noticed. Stock market is reaching new highs. "

hahahh that's what they thought before the DEPRESSION HIT THEM, funny americans have short term memory.

"Don't believe everything they teach you in the Wahabbi (sp?) schools. They just tell you lies so you'll kill yourselves! "

really? thanks for telling me what i learned, anything else i learned today besides the fact that Americans are stupid naive terrorists??

Truth Seeker, thanks for showing what the west is all about, SEX and PERVERSION.

But it is in Islam that the men are so perverted that the women cannot even be seen in public. If they weren't always thinking about sex they would not need to hide the women's bodies from their eyes.

One always sees one's own faults in others.

" But it is in Islam that the men are so perverted that the women cannot even be seen in public. If they weren't always thinking about sex they would not need to hide the women's bodies from their eyes. "

hhahaahah look how perverted the west is, that's why.

Im sure you'll feel the same way with DICK, right before he shoots you by accident then woun't call the ambulance.

Hoosier, I think our boy Freed's a Democrat in disguise. Or reading their web sites for ideas.

"Why do I suspect that you are not making that up?"

I'm not. So reported Yahoo news.

Truthseeker, it seems you can't take the truth from anyone, make no mistake i am a muslim who advocates Sharia law and the reestablishment of a Caliphate which your boy Bush and Cheney gave us the opportunity in Iraq to bring back.

Not to mention your ostracizing of Turkey by the armenian genocide bill which will push Turkey more towards islamic fundamentalism and khaliphate reestablishment.

I can only wish you attack Iran cause you do not know the consequences and reprecussions that will occur if you americans are naive and stupid enough to go ahead with the attack [doing israel's job of coarse]

"the Wahabbi (sp?) schools" -- TS, you're meaning to insult our Saudi allies? You can't lump all Arabic people into one lot. They're not all Al-Qaeda.

FF, so you are Turkish?

"'Truthseeker, it seems you can't take the truth from anyone, make no mistake i am a muslim who advocates Sharia law and the reestablishment of a Caliphate which your boy Bush and Cheney gave us the opportunity in Iraq to bring back."

No, Iraq doesn't give the opportuntity to bring back the Caliphate. Too small a land area. You may advocate Sharia law, but you're not believable on the issue of the Caliphate. Try again.

"Truthseeker, the truth is America makes Soddom and Gommorah look like childs play compared to how perverted they are. And we all know what happened to soddom and gommorah =)"

Resort to an ad hominem attack. And inaccurate, too.

"" But it is in Islam that the men are so perverted that the women cannot even be seen in public. If they weren't always thinking about sex they would not need to hide the women's bodies from their eyes. "

hhahaahah look how perverted the west is, that's why."

Come on, FF. Who you think you're foolin? An American? Another good try, but us American know the Saudi women take their burkas off when they cross the women's lib Freedom line on the airplane from S.A. to the U.S. Therefore, logically speaking, the burkas are for the Arabic men, not the American men. Additionally, I found that the women from the countries requiring burkas behave themselves very well while in the West. One more thing, burkas are all about tradition.

You have a problem with cultural tradition?

The only thing I would personally change if I could persuade, would be if the Saudi Kingdom could see to allow the woen there to drive, and I would also hope to ride their fine racehorses.

TS, you're digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole.

"Usually people who need to force their system on others are those who doubt it."

No, Muslims don't doubt their religion and Sharia law, any more than Catholics doubt the Pope.

"Otherwise you are just silly people wearing funny clothes having funny customs."

Now you're on the way to fomenting a diplomatic incident and about to get a lot of Muslims pretty angry (the good guys included).

"Do you really think the 13th century customs are right? Hasn't 700 years of scientiific progress shown you anything?"

Actually, TS, if you had ever studied the subject or hung with Middle Easterners, you would know Arabic people were way more advanced in mathematics and science that the West back then. They have a hard time accepting it when we discount those achievements.

"open"=opec (can't type)

Resort to an ad hominem attack. And inaccurate, too.


ReALLY?? check out some of Micheal savages photos of SAN FRAN "sicko": http://www.savage-productions.com/Folsomstreetfair1.html

enjoy, i found it off the micheal savage website and copy pasted it =)

So, FF, where you from? You a college student on a visa? Or making history by blogging on the Volokh from somewhere outside the U.S.?

If I could make one comment here, it is that American education is woefully lacking in understanding and speaking the languages if other cultures. This could use some improvement. I am amazed at the numbers of blogs I frequent where Americans cannot tell the linguistics of a native speaker of Arabic or Farsi from a fake.

No wonder the State Dept. and CIA have gone begging. Can't protect National Security when there is such a big cultural gap in understanding what the feds are dealing with. I feel like I have just witnessed two ships passing in the night (TS &FF).

"Sorry MAry i didn't know this was a spelling bee."

I haven't declared one, have you? Begs the question of what alphabet.

I haven't declared one, have you? Begs the question of what alphabet.

i misinterpretted your statements above, i thought you were sayin i cant type.. my bad =\

Ok, now we have a unified conclusions about a highly divided, balkanized area. (Vaguely defined, as FF appears to be Turkish).

I am not turkish however i do hope turkish breaks ties with USA as the USA is corrupting them and playing political games with middle eastern countries destabalizing the whole region.


and you know what?? that's what I WANT, i NEED a destabalized middle east so we can unify all the nations under Caliphate.

Not yet. Caliphate requires all the horses. We still have all the finest horses. Democracy rules.


Democracy is on its last wheels, just as Communism was when they invaded the same nation you did. They were just as secretive as your administration is now.

I've researched the defense companies, most of which are manufacturing weapons at tax payer's expense in order to ship to israel or UK for FREE.

LOL no wounder US is leading nation... in debt.

According to CIA world factbook
Rank Order - Current account balance
163rd United States $ -862,300,000,000 2006 est.

" Don't kill youself, Freed! (There are no virgins waiting for you, trust me, just worms.) And the new system for suicide bombers is to wrap their body parts in pig skin and bury them like that, in air tight containers. "

What a funny little bitch, go to bed and don't let the bed bugs bite kid.

"Democracy is on its last wheels, just as Communism was when they invaded the same nation you did."

Not true, Communist Cuba is predicted to go mostly under water as the sea levels rise due to global warming. There is plenty of high ground for Democracy to survive.

"I've researched the defense companies, most of which are manufacturing weapons at tax payer's expense in order to ship to israel or UK for FREE.

LOL no wounder US is leading nation... in debt."

Argument not supported by a tracing of the $$. Lacks credibility.

"i misinterpretted your statements above, i thought you were sayin i cant type.. my bad =\"

I did not insult you. I said I can't type. Maybe you don't have a Disabilities Act. i speak to my computer, don't keyboard or letters go everywhere, typos, among other problems.

"I am not turkish however i do hope turkish breaks ties with USA"

Then you are probably from Jordan. Don't count on Turkey breaking ties. I know lots of Turkish students who went to school here who like Americans.

Do you just enter spelling bees, or are you a student of history? You ever read Xenophon, Anabasis?

I think you are on a student visa here.

"LOL Why don't you tell that to your own damn president dropping bombs on Iraqis and Afghanis to spread "freedom" and "democracy".

Some freedom you have there, killing."

I don't tell the President anything. I'm just a lowly wife of a lawyer.

Why do you prefer killing to peace?

"The reason our system is superior is that 51% or 75% cannot force the others to obey their rules. You want to force others against their wills which is evil."

i disagree. And that generalization is a logically fallacious proposition. Every place in the World has a variety of people all of whom are different. I'm a horse trainer, I don't force any person or equine to 'obey my rules,' they do the things I ask because they like me and want to. I treat those who treat me good the same. i am an American. Therefore, the generalization you posit to reach the conclusion of "evil" falls apart.

Where do you go to school? You need Logic 101.

"you are the terrorists, not the resistance fighters"

No, I am not a "terrorist" and I am not a "resistance fighter;" I am just a slaving law clerk-horse trainer, wife of a lawyer who is very concerned about abrupt climate change due to global warming. And I am an American who loves my Country.

"Mary it doesn't take a rocket scientist to notice that the US is going through economic catastrophy, it takes an accountant.. a chief accountant, namely David Walker, why don't you see what he has to say about the matter"

I never heard of him. And I know I've been told before there are two sides of the argument. What makes you think an accountant can snow-job a J.D./M.B.A.? The U.S. is a strong Country full of Americans who know how to work hard, are innovative and inventive. This is why there is no economic catastrophy. But there is an abrupt climate change due to global warming concern, and that is a problem that affects the entire World, not just the U.S.

That is why you need to start thinking of Peace.

"And by the way, Soddom and Gomorrah was just a myth made up by old Jewish priests to make people obey their rules."

I guess an old dog really can learn new tricks. Before just now, I thought S &G occured during the last global warming sea level rise, but what do I know?

"And Mary, 1L was a long time for me I've been a lawyer in the same state as you for almost 30 years."

For the first time, I have been fooled, I admit it. I just hope you don't live on any coastal low lying property, it's very risky. The tides are perpetually high and 8-12" higher than before the Sept. 2007 ice melt.

"But I need to get to the office by at least 10 tomorrow, 11 at the latest, unless I decide to do some garden work first (it gets dark so early these days I can't do it after work) so I better go to bed. It's been real!"

My sentiments, as well, TS. I guess I got the last word.

"if you americans are naive and stupid enough to go ahead with the attack [doing israel's job of coarse]"

FINALLY! I thought you'd NEVER get around to maligning the Jews! Ooftah! You had me woried there for a minute, Freed.

Aside from all the above, this just makes clear that conservative campus groups have to include a digital signature block in all their public printed postings (like posters) that authenticates them as the author and demonstrates who the fakers are.

I dont believe osama bin laden cares in the slightest about islam, or that he would ever sacrifice his own life or liberty for a fairy tale the way he asks his followers to.

Any more than george bush would actually fight for his 'ideals'. As I understand it, he used his family connections to avoid active service.

But at least bush was chosen by his people, in a free and relatively fair democratic vote, can be held to account by other elected representatives and will be replaced sooner or later.

"On another note, did anybody see the Mulsim Barbie doll? Hopefully that is not a new funding source for Al-Qaeda."

Yes. Her clothes are glued on.

Judeofascism would be a fine term to describe Jews who were killing people up in an effort to impose Judaism on the rest of the world. What's the problem? But, Jews aren't flying airplanes into buildings. Only the Islamofascists are doing that.

"But, Jews aren't flying airplanes into buildings. Only the Islamofascists are doing that."

They don't have to, America gives them free Jets and laser guided missiles, in most cases they don't even have to stand in order to launch missiles at civilian populations in the Gaza strip, West Bank, and Lebanon.

"Islam is great, the haters can do nothing."

OK, FF . . . Now which is it?

you Hoosier and Truth Seeker ! your utmost thinking is of a nude woman !

....... even Yankees getting their first rocket up into space is due to the German scientist Werhner Von Braun !

To err is human but to forgive is divine. Why don't you Americans acknowledge and admit your errors??

BRIAN G

"Hey Freedom Fighter,

Given the choice between a millions American lives or dropping the A-Bomb on Japan, I vote for the latter. Plus, Japan should have surrendered after the first one. They deserved Nagasaki. "

HEY THANKS FOR SHOWING THE WORLD YOU WOULD RATHER SLAUGHTER MILLIONS OF CIVILIANS for thousands of SOLDIERS (with weapons who invaded another country).

THANKS FOR SHOWING THE WORLD U ARE THE TRUE TERRORISTS!!!

"stealing technology from GERMANY AND USSR AND JAPAN AND MANY OTHER NATIONS"

Freedom Fighter: I noticed that there are no MUSLIM MAJORITY-COUNTRIES in that list. So we aren't stealing science/tech know-how from the Islamic World?

Now why might that be?

"Freedom Fighter: I noticed that there are no MUSLIM MAJORITY-COUNTRIES in that list. So we aren't stealing science/tech know-how from the Islamic World?

Now why might that be?"

hhahahah keep trying to change the subject terrorists, hahahah PREFERING TO KILL CIVILIANS OVER LOSING SOLDIERS.

Shows how COWARDLY and CRUEL you terrorist yankees are.

The readership of the world newspapers knows that USA is a bunch of terrorists and a menace to world peace and civilized society.

Freedom fighter.

You're right about slaughtering millions of civilians to save our soldiers.
Civilians in other countries ought to think about that. Maybe have a chat with their leaders.
You know. Concentrate on soccer or something.

"Shows how COWARDLY and CRUEL you terrorist yankees are."

Denied.

"'Is "readership" even a word?'

Only in English."

Hoosier, I'm not sure this is true, however.

"The readership of the world newspapers knows that USA is a bunch of terrorists and a menace to world peace and civilized society."

This sentence is just way too grammatically messed up even for an autistic.

And, I can't believe the Vatican released all this stuff about the Knights Templar AFTER I wrote my paper about their Inquisition.

Thanks, RA. The Knights Templar are one of my favorite subjects.

"Net, they were rich." The real reason for the Inquisitors -- a fight over all that money.

"The records probably went up somebody's chimney one cold winter." Or down a Vatican vault under hundreds of years of other papers, like Joan of Arc.

By the way, what happened to FF and Hoosier? I think FF has an Arab bias against women -- when I post, he disappears. After I rejected the idea he posed about the virgins, he ran.

FF, you're a nite bird. I'm American and I don't "murder innocent civilians." I don't think Hoosier or RA do either.

Freedom Fighter:

You'll find this interesting: Go find a book on psychology, and look up "Projection." I think this may change your life!

"I'm suggesting a practical view of the subject. If you're a civilian in a country which opposes us....shouldn't you be rethinking this?

Considering how murderous we are, and all."

I think this is the wisest decision, because once this immigration crisis blows up it will be a huge civil war, this nation will face disaster on so many fronts in the future (long term)

"Mary Kat. What do you think of "Dungeon, Fire and Sword", history of the Templars?"

RA, i am not sure if I am allowed to respond. I am awaiting futher clarification. Apparently, Eugene counted that I posted 28 comments, and he asked for a limiting instruction to my comments. I counted at least 33 comments on this thread by Hoosier and at least 50 by Freedom Fighter, so I am a bit perplexed and uncertain if I will get in Volokh trouble if I respond. Like you asked me to comment on the book, I was also asked on another thread to comment on the movie "Carrie."

If I am allowed to respond to the book and movie, I will do so after I am cleared to numerically exceed my week's tally of 28 posts insofar as I do not wish to violate any comment limiting request.

BTW, the temptation is almost too much, what with the NEW thread on the Knights Templar, one of my favorite subjects! I'm biting my pencil.

Mary Kat.

See you on the Templars thread. This one is two close to the bottom, anyway.

Too bad its not as low as your morals, then that would be a problem..."

Your baseless, unsupported accusation is rejected in its entirety.