Al Gore Wins Nobel Peace Prize:
News report here. I predict the U.S. Supreme Court will reverse and award the prize to Bush in a 5-4 vote.
Al Gore Wins Nobel Peace Prize:
News report here. I predict the U.S. Supreme Court will reverse and award the prize to Bush in a 5-4 vote.
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Why should Gore get a Nobel for a book (and film) filled with factual errors?
Why shouldn't the Nobel be reserved for actual scientists who have some expertise in the area -- and a record of accuracy? Rather than a political hack?
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Court Finds Inconvenient Truths
Iain Murray | 10/10/2007 @ 9:17 am
The British government decided that it would be a good idea to send copies of Al Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth to all schools, with then Environment Secretary (now Foreign Secretary) David Miliband declaring that “the debate over science is over.” Well, it may be, but not in the way Gore portrays it. A truck driver and school governor, Stuart Dimmock, took the government to court, alleging that the film portrays “partisan political views,” the promotion of which is illegal in schools under the Education Act 1996.
The judge has decided that this is indeed the case and that the Government’s guidance notes that accompanied the film exacerbated the problem. For the film to be shown in schools, therefore, several facts would have to be drawn to students’ attention:
"In order for the film to be shown, the Government must first amend their Guidance Notes to Teachers to make clear that 1.) The Film is a political work and promotes only one side of the argument. 2.) If teachers present the Film without making this plain they may be in breach of section 406 of the Education Act 1996 and guilty of political indoctrination. 3.) Eleven inaccuracies have to be specifically drawn to the attention of school children.
The inaccuracies are:
* The film claims that melting snows on Mount Kilimanjaro evidence global warming. The Government’s expert was forced to concede that this is not correct.
* The film suggests that evidence from ice cores proves that rising CO2 causes temperature increases over 650,000 years. The Court found that the film was misleading: over that period the rises in CO2 lagged behind the temperature rises by 800-2000 years.
* The film uses emotive images of Hurricane Katrina and suggests that this has been caused by global warming. The Government’s expert had to accept that it was “not possible” to attribute one-off events to global warming.
* The film shows the drying up of Lake Chad and claims that this was caused by global warming. The Government’s expert had to accept that this was not the case.
* The film claims that a study showed that polar bears had drowned due to disappearing arctic ice. It turned out that Mr Gore had misread the study: in fact four polar bears drowned and this was because of a particularly violent storm.
* The film threatens that global warming could stop the Gulf Stream throwing Europe into an ice age: the Claimant’s evidence was that this was a scientific impossibility.
* The film blames global warming for species losses including coral reef bleaching. The Government could not find any evidence to support this claim.
* The film suggests that the Greenland ice covering could melt causing sea levels to rise dangerously. The evidence is that Greenland will not melt for millennia.
* The film suggests that the Antarctic ice covering is melting, the evidence was that it is in fact increasing.
* The film suggests that sea levels could rise by 7m causing the displacement of millions of people. In fact the evidence is that sea levels are expected to rise by about 40cm over the next hundred years and that there is no such threat of massive migration.
* The film claims that rising sea levels has caused the evacuation of certain Pacific islands to New Zealand. The Government are unable to substantiate this and the Court observed that this appears to be a false claim."
This is a far better result than refusing to allow the film to be shown at all. It requires that students be told by teachers that Al Gore is factually inaccurate, misleading and - in one case - making things up. These inconvenient truths for the former Vice President have been covered up or obscured by the hype surrounding his film. Students will now realize that there are significant shortcomings and inaccuracies in the way the global warming scare has been presented to them. This is a victory for honest debate, a victory for science and a victory for education.
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a) the 2005 Peace Prize for Mohamed El Baradei (tried to rain on the neocons’ happy to Iraq), or
b) the Literature Prize from the same year for Harold Pinter (has some kind of unreasonable beef with American imperialism).
I expect to be wrecked by mid-afternoon.
The judge rejected a lawsuit by political activist Stuart Dimmock to ban the distribution of Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth to British schools. Justice Burton agreed that
There were nine points where Burton decided that AIT differed from the IPCC and that this should be addressed in the Guidance Notes for teachers to be sent out with the movie. This has been misreported by the press as a conclusion that the movie contain nine errors.
My analysis is here.
This wasn't hard to predict, though it's kind of depressing.
Also, toss in references to Al Gore III, and some to Al Gore Sr.'s voting record, I'd wager.
I was going to post almost exactly the same thing.
Instead, I'll suggest a longer-term drinking game for regular Volokh readers: take a shot everytime some major institution or other is accused of having been greatly damaged/destroyed because liberals/leftists have taken it over. This would include not just the Nobel Committee, but also:
Higher education (professors and/or students) (extra shot if the word "Marxist" or "communist" is used);
Public education at the primary-high school level (extra shot if unions of school teachers are blamed);
The "mainstream" media (extra shot for mention of Dan Rather);
The ABA (extra shot for claims that "lawyers" in general or big firm lawyers are liberals);
Significant numbers of religious leaders (extra shot for claims that clergy don't understand economics);
White-collar, permanent employees of government agencies (extra shot for snide use of the word "bureaucrat" and/or for claim that their conscious goal is to undermine Bush).
Any non-U.S. legal body or its decisions (extra shot for accusing certain S.Ct. Justices of not caring about U.S. sovereignty).
C'mon, it's not that bad. They gave one to Arafat, after all.
Alfred Nobel invented many things, including dynamite. He thought his explosives would bring peace, and perhaps they did eventually. Europe has lost its taste for organized warfare, having returned to the prehistoric style of trying to bash rival tribesmen with any available object. Since these battles occur mostly at soccer matches, societies sustain little damage.
That result was hard to predict in 1895, when Nobel wrote his final will. Feeling kinda bad about the whole merchant of death thing, he dedicated his fortune to prizes, mostly given in fields like science, where progress has been cumulative for centuries, but also for contributions to world peace. So far, the world peace biz has not produced a Newton, and there is little in the way of tested peace theory. Considering the complexity of the system, this is understandable. The recipient of a Prize must be alive at nomination, so the real effects of an individual on history are often unknown at the time. Add the likely makeup of the committee that awards the Peace Prize, and you end up with a recipe for a prize that I would probably hide in a closet, or refuse if I wasn't hard up for cash.
I agree. Why belabor the obvious?
Very similar choice to Jimmy Carter a couple years back. The award has no value at all anymore, does it?
Wow, Tim, thanks for that link to the decision itself. What a deeply dishonest piece by Murray.
I'm encouraged, though, to see a conservative acknowledge that it represents a "victory for education" if a judge makes findings of scientific fact and tells teachers what they can and can't teach. That's a theory with fertile implications and I'm glad we're all on board with it.
Only Rush is willing to tell it 'like it is.'
I'm calling Gore out. Let's see what he REALLY stands for.
Because I want to get drunk? More seriously, it struck me recently just how many mainstream U.S. institutions folks who comment here (and some actual Conspirators) seem to believe have been taken over by the radical left. There is still lots of smart stuff here written by folks who don't share my outlook on the world, so I keep coming back. But the sense that much of mainstream America and certainly most-all of at least Western Europe has been taken over by leftist coups is striking.
sss33, great job "calling Gore out." If you could get sss1-32 to join you, he'll have to cave into the pressure and at least make a statement.
It's super cereal.
Al's use of private jets is like a PETA activist getting the Surf n'Turf when dining out. I do think his concern over manbearpigs is real, though.
"Is anyone but me having trouble reconciling the Rove-like fear and smear tactics with Gore-like rhetoric?"
-- Michael,http://www.topix.com/forum/city/tampa- fl/T7CU6MLES9CMB3CC0/p6
Nick
It's now been one year, 9 months, 1 week and 23 1/2 hours since Al Gore was sent the first of a series of registered letters, inviting him to publicly defend his conjecture in a University venue. But he still hides out. And that, folks, says it all.
Because I care -- I really, really care -- I will make that sacrifice. Give me some warning, though, so I can arrange for both the presence of that much alcohol and for a designated driver.
Also, all this talk of drinking reminds me of something about owing Orin Kerr a beer. . . .
They've skipped various years, due to wars for instance.
This has ended the committee's credibility, which was already on thin ice(pun intended). Had Gore been given a Nobel prize for something having to do with science, while still debatable, would have at least been appropriate.
This is like giving the Vince Lombardi Trophy to the Miami Heat b/c they took Dolphin fans' minds off how bad their football team was.
Actually, he thought nitroglycerin was so terrible in its potential effects that he wished to make amends...
While I'm not sure I agree with Russ's substantive point, this is a great analogy.
Limiting their consideration to the "present circumstances," of course.
I'm confused. What war did Gore end? What disparate sides did he bring to the negotiating table? What fmaine did he stop? What genocide did he block?
What war did the Red Cross end? What disparate sides did they bring to the negotiating table? What genocide did they block? What is a fmaine?
There's more to the Peace Prize than that. They gave it (rightly) to the guy responsible for the Green Revolution, and (rightly) to the tree woman in Kenya, (rightly) to Doctors without Borders and (rightly) to Mother Teresa. Sometimes contributions to peace are indirect and not always political. This is in the same vein.
Thanks for this. Also, how exactly was there attempted censorship? Was the censorship attempted merely by putting out a contrary message? If the censorship was the result of putting out a contrary message, Mr. Gore (who I will christen “the fearmongerist” to match your use of “denialists”) is attempting, by use of a message contrary to that of the "denialists", to censor a scientific debate he pronounced over. As such, since he’s a censor himself, he is undeserving of a peace prize based upon the criterion you’ve set out.
I see similar posts here.
Here is my response:
Let's argue two sides of:
1. whether Abraham Lincoln was shot;
2. whether the Appollo astronauts actually landed on the Moon;
3. whether the Holocaust occurred; and
4. whether abrupt climate change is occurring due to global warming.
In sum, there are certain factual occurrences which cannot be refuted. In essence, they don't have two sides, only one.
The most significant instance of just this is, the United States Supreme Court in Massachusetts v. EPA, 549 U.S.__(2007), already ruled last term that abrupt climate change due to global warming is occurring as a matter of law.
There is no other side.
Oh, wait, despite the definitive, landmark Supreme Court decision, there might still be some objections, as I have seen before/asserted below:
"With all due respect:
The problem I have with this post is that a 'ruling' is not the same as a fact.
The references to Lincoln, the Holocaust, and Apollo are all verifiable facts bacause they have happened. Coastal Florida under water will only be a fact after coastal Florida is, indeed, under water."
My response:
The Supreme Court's ruling adjudicated the fact that abrupt climate change due to global warming is occurring and sea levels will rise.
Therefore, the set of four facts in the set of "FACTS" are just that facts; it is irrelevant to the set of provable facts that one is a finally adjucated fact. It is still a provable fact. It just so happens to be provable not under a Daubert/Kumho Tire expert scientific screening/proof by expert testimony and/or expert report, but instead by preclusion doctrines preventing relitigation of (debating, arguing, reproving, and reviewing) the fact over and over.
So these kinds of arguments, conjecture and speculation, e.g.,
"Humanity has gone through at least 2 ice ages in the distant past, after that the climate began to warm, so was neolithic man producing green house gasses? I don't think so. So the world climate is warming right now, I'd be willing to bet a billion dollars that in a few thousand years the climate will begin to cool again, and the cycle repeats itself. Now there's no doubt Humans are responsible for some of this, but how much really, and is there really anything we can do about it? Probably not,"
have already been foreclosed, need not be admitted, heard, or considered.
Nor did the Supreme Court limit their seminal decision, Mass. v. EPA, ultimately and effectively supporting Al Gore's Nobel Peace prize, to the 'present circumstances;' that's why the EPA must regulate the carbon emissions/greenhouse gasses to prevent the sea level rise.
A no brainer.
Asked and answered. See above. Your line of inquiry as well as objection are overruled.
Those organizations tried to alleviate suffering. They also intervened to save people from war. Gore was trying to make a scientific argument.
Wouldn't a Prize in an area of science have been more appropriate? Or is his science not good enough to qualify?
There is no other side.
Ah, you're either with us or against us. Figures.
Run, Al, Run!
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Friday, October 12, 2007 4:20 PM PT
For burning lots of jet fuel spreading panic around the globe, Al Gore gets a Nobel Peace Prize. But if he really thinks his global warming theory could withstand public scrutiny, why not run for president?
The former vice president is supposedly the greatest debater in the world. CNN's "Larry King Live" saw him wipe the floor with Ross Perot on NAFTA in 1993. He also out-soundbited Jack Kemp in the 1996 vice-presidential debate.
But in 2000, an unlikely challenger — a Texan given to mangling language — was to puncture Gore's aura of invincibility. Al's sighs of impatience while debating George W. Bush symbolized the frustration of the liberal elite when confounded by simple horse sense.
Maybe those seven-year-old chinks in his armor are why Gore steadfastly refuses to debate climate experts who challenge his alarmist hypotheses. As the Cato Institute's Patrick Michaels points out: "The fact is that Al has ducked, feinted, dived away from, or fluffed each and every opportunity for a reasoned debate with any global warming scientist not of his choice."
Earlier this year, Gore at the last minute scaredy-catted out of an interview with Denmark's biggest newspaper and "Skeptical Environmentalist" author Bjorn Lomborg. Gauntlets have also been thrown down by Cato and Chicago's Heartland Institute.
Look at some of Gore's distortions:
• He conveniently ignores the 98% of Antarctica that has actually cooled in the last 35 years to focus on the 2% that is warming.
• His film "An Inconvenient Truth" depicts Florida going underwater, yet that would take a 13-foot ocean rise; the U.N. forecasts a mean sea-level increase of only 13 inches by the century's end.
• Gore's movie shows a polar bear drowning in search of icebergs; the polar bear population has quintupled in 40 years.
If Al Gore really believes all that hot air, then why not enter the world's brightest spotlight: the presidential sweepstakes? (Don't hold your breath.)
"Earlier this year, Gore at the last minute scaredy-catted out of an interview with Denmark's biggest newspaper and "Skeptical Environmentalist" author Bjorn Lomborg."
Yes, that's probably because with Mass v. EPA, there's no need for the United States to re-submit the controversy to the International Court of Justice.
There is no other side.
Ah, you're either with us or against us."
I'm with the side the Supreme Court (Mass v. EPA) decided was the right one. What other side is there?
Nice try, A.S., and Saturday Night Live had that joke about 4 hours before Scrappleface did.
Nick
Nick"
Nick, conclusory objections are fine, except absent an analysis and support for what you assert it is hard to see how I am wrong in my interpretation and you are right. I'm all ears if you want to explain, discuss, and analyse ...
The Court sent the case back to the EPA, which was ordered to begin a rulemaking proceeding. The majority opinion expressly left it up to the EPA to determine "whether greenhouse gases contribute to global warming". Slip. Op. at 31.
Nick