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Curious About the "Peace" Prize:

What are the official criteria used to determine the recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize? I couldn't find any information about this on the Nobel website, and all I can get from Wikipedia is that "according to Nobel's will, the Peace Prize should be awarded 'to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between the nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.'"

Obviously, I'm wondering about what strikes me as the rather indirect relationship between raising the world's consciousness about climate change and promoting peace.

John C:
From the Nobel press release:

Indications of changes in the earth's future climate must be treated with the utmost seriousness, and with the precautionary principle uppermost in our minds. Extensive climate changes may alter and threaten the living conditions of much of mankind. They may induce large-scale migration and lead to greater competition for the earth's resources. Such changes will place particularly heavy burdens on the world's most vulnerable countries. There may be increased danger of violent conflicts and wars, within and between states.

. . .

By awarding the Nobel Peace Prize for 2007 to the IPCC and Al Gore, the Norwegian Nobel Committee is seeking to contribute to a sharper focus on the processes and decisions that appear to be necessary to protect the world’s future climate, and thereby to reduce the threat to the security of mankind.
10.12.2007 10:38am
Lugo:
These days you have to be a Leftist, America-hating idiot to win the "Peace Prize". With few exceptions, the list of winners is a roster of ignoble villains indeed.
10.12.2007 10:38am
Oh My Word:
The criterion is greatest promoter of the left wing cause du jour. 2 of the last 3 have not had anything to do with war and peace except for a cobbled-together post hoc rationalization for the recipient. One could easily postulate that global warming will increase crop yields and thereby lower competition for scarce resources.

And then we have the infamous Arafat peace prize. Great pick there.
10.12.2007 10:40am
Mr. X (www):
Just a guess as to the thinking:

1) Climate change will displace people and result in resource shortages.

2) Displaced and hungry people often turn to violence to solve their problems.

ergo

3) Reducing the likelihood and/or severity of climate change promotes peace/avoids conflict.
10.12.2007 10:45am
The River Temoc (mail):
The criterion [for winning the Nobel Peace Prize] is greatest promoter of the left wing cause du jour.

Well, I guess this explains why Henry Kissinger won.
10.12.2007 10:49am
SP:
Well, at least Gore has done what they've claimed, which is more than what Menchu did, or the Korean politician who basically bought a meeting with Kim Jong Il and parlayed that into a Nobel.

Clinton, BTW, must be thrilled to see Gore win this, and Gore has not so much as ever negotiated a cease fire.
10.12.2007 10:51am
SP:
"Well, I guess this explains why Henry Kissinger won."

It would not be surprising if there were different standards 30 years ago. And, technically, Kissinger did at least help end a war.
10.12.2007 10:52am
Guest #333 (mail):
Wangari Maathai, the 2004 winner, was cited for her environmental work.
10.12.2007 10:52am
Pig Bodine:
These days you have to be a Leftist, America-hating idiot to win the "Peace Prize".

Well, maybe if we had more right-wing Americans like Butler, Kellogg, Dawes, Root, and Roosevelt....
10.12.2007 10:55am
Dave N (mail):
Well, I guess this explains why Henry Kissinger won.
And he shared it with Le Duc Tho--not quite Pol Pot, I agree, but Tho certainly had blood on his hands.
10.12.2007 10:56am
NaG (mail):
Since Arafat won it, the Peace Prize has been a joke.

Even by the Committee's own words, all Gore has done is increase awareness of something that "may" cause problems. None of these issues have come to fruition yet, or are even close to happening. With all of the conflict that is currently going on, are you telling me that the Committee couldn't find ANYONE who has done something significant to mitigate ACTUAL conflict?

Bullcrap.
10.12.2007 11:00am
Matty G:
That's an interesting description of the criteria, David. By those standards, even MLK Jr's prize seems dubious --- while i don't doubt King's accomplishments as worthy of international recognition, the American civil rights movement hardly seems related to "fraternity between the nations ... the abolition or reduction of standing armies [or] ... the holding and promotion of peace congresses."
10.12.2007 11:06am
Hans Bader (mail):
The criteria obviously don't include accuracy or truth, or Gore wouldn't have been a co-recipient of the Prize.

An English judge ruled that Gore's book is partisan, biased, and contains many factual errors and distortions, even though he shared Gore's belief that man is causing global warming.

Why should Gore get a Nobel Prize for a book (and film) that even sympathizers can see is filled with factual errors?

Why shouldn't the Nobel be reserved for actual scientists who have some expertise in the area -- and a record of accuracy? Rather than a political hack?

Gore's book and film are so tendentious and inaccurate that they do little to advance his position. The IPCC, by contrast, has made a more persuasive case regarding global warming.

OpenMarket.org
Court Finds Inconvenient Truths
Iain Murray | 10/10/2007 @ 9:17 am

The British government decided that it would be a good idea to send copies of Al Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth to all schools, with then Environment Secretary (now Foreign Secretary) David Miliband declaring that “the debate over science is over.” Well, it may be, but not in the way Gore portrays it. A truck driver and school governor, Stuart Dimmock, took the government to court, alleging that the film portrays “partisan political views,” the promotion of which is illegal in schools under the Education Act 1996.

The judge has decided that this is indeed the case and that the Government’s guidance notes that accompanied the film exacerbated the problem. For the film to be shown in schools, therefore, several facts would have to be drawn to students’ attention:

"In order for the film to be shown, the Government must first amend their Guidance Notes to Teachers to make clear that 1.) The Film is a political work and promotes only one side of the argument. 2.) If teachers present the Film without making this plain they may be in breach of section 406 of the Education Act 1996 and guilty of political indoctrination. 3.) Eleven inaccuracies have to be specifically drawn to the attention of school children.

The inaccuracies are:

* The film claims that melting snows on Mount Kilimanjaro evidence global warming. The Government’s expert was forced to concede that this is not correct.

* The film suggests that evidence from ice cores proves that rising CO2 causes temperature increases over 650,000 years. The Court found that the film was misleading: over that period the rises in CO2 lagged behind the temperature rises by 800-2000 years.

* The film uses emotive images of Hurricane Katrina and suggests that this has been caused by global warming. The Government’s expert had to accept that it was “not possible” to attribute one-off events to global warming.

* The film shows the drying up of Lake Chad and claims that this was caused by global warming. The Government’s expert had to accept that this was not the case.

* The film claims that a study showed that polar bears had drowned due to disappearing arctic ice. It turned out that Mr Gore had misread the study: in fact four polar bears drowned and this was because of a particularly violent storm.

* The film threatens that global warming could stop the Gulf Stream throwing Europe into an ice age: the Claimant’s evidence was that this was a scientific impossibility.

* The film blames global warming for species losses including coral reef bleaching. The Government could not find any evidence to support this claim.

* The film suggests that the Greenland ice covering could melt causing sea levels to rise dangerously. The evidence is that Greenland will not melt for millennia.

* The film suggests that the Antarctic ice covering is melting, the evidence was that it is in fact increasing.

* The film suggests that sea levels could rise by 7m causing the displacement of millions of people. In fact the evidence is that sea levels are expected to rise by about 40cm over the next hundred years and that there is no such threat of massive migration.

* The film claims that rising sea levels has caused the evacuation of certain Pacific islands to New Zealand. The Government are unable to substantiate this and the Court observed that this appears to be a false claim."


This is a far better result than refusing to allow the film to be shown at all. It requires that students be told by teachers that Al Gore is factually inaccurate, misleading and - in one case - making things up. These inconvenient truths for the former Vice President have been covered up or obscured by the hype surrounding his film. Students will now realize that there are significant shortcomings and inaccuracies in the way the global warming scare has been presented to them. This is a victory for honest debate, a victory for science and a victory for education.

http://www.openmarket.org/
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10.12.2007 11:07am
Pig Bodine:
With all of the conflict that is currently going on, are you telling me that the Committee couldn't find ANYONE who has done something significant to mitigate ACTUAL conflict?

Who do you suggest? It is rather telling that the Nobel committee found the mitigation of potential future conflict to be more significant than any of the current efforts to mitigate ongoing actual conflict.
10.12.2007 11:08am
Eli Rabett (www):
I am sure you looked very hard. Being a lawyer, you might have even looked for the will that established the prize. If you had, you would have found:
"The whole of my remaining realizable estate shall be dealt with in the following way: the capital, invested in safe securities by my executors, shall constitute a fund, the interest on which shall be annually distributed in the form of prizes to those who, during the preceding year, shall have conferred the greatest benefit on mankind. The said interest shall be divided into five equal parts, which shall be apportioned as follows: one part to the person who shall have made the most important discovery or invention within the field of physics; one part to the person who shall have made the most important chemical discovery or improvement; one part to the person who shall have made the most important discovery within the domain of physiology or medicine; one part to the person who shall have produced in the field of literature the most outstanding work in an ideal direction; and one part to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses. "
10.12.2007 11:08am
Anonymouseducator (mail) (www):
NaG - I completely agree. It's ridiculous, and it's infuriating to see them squander the opportunity to recognize someone who has really achieved something great.

FWIW, probably unlike most people on this board, I actually like Gore and his movie. But this is absurd.
10.12.2007 11:08am
Pig Bodine:
The criteria obviously don't include accuracy or truth...

That is so. There would be nothing inconsistent in the Peace Prize being awarded to someone(s) who successfully promoted peace through lies, inaccuracies, or untruths. It is the Peace Prize, not the Truth Prize.
10.12.2007 11:13am
samuil (mail):
The wingers’ problem is that they don’t offer a Nobel War Prize. Although even if they did offer one, the Bushies wouldn’t win it.
10.12.2007 11:14am
stopthegenocide (mail):
The best measure of a person's character is what they do in the face of adversity. It was very courageous of the Nobels to award Arafat, as it was of Carter to write about their plight. History will hold them up as heros for doing what is right. God bless them. God punish any genocidal zionist.
10.12.2007 11:17am
Bpbatista (mail):
Gore is a fraud. Always was, always will be. Unfortunately, the Nobel Peace Prize has also degraded into a fraud in the last 10-15 years (Arafat and the UN!?!?). So Gore and the Nobel prize go together like peas and carrots.
10.12.2007 11:17am
Dave Hardy (mail) (www):
Can I nominate the US Marine Corps? It seems to me they've done more to end wars than any winner of the prize to date, even if they haven't called many peace conferences.
10.12.2007 11:18am
b.:

Obviously, I'm wondering about what strikes me as the rather indirect relationship between raising the world's consciousness about climate change and promoting peace.


Obviously, you've never watched "Waterworld" with Kevin Costner.
10.12.2007 11:18am
Random:
This is the most "sour grapes" posting on the Conspiracy I've ever seen. The quality of the opinions expressed in the comments speak for themselves.

I just generally expect better of the professors. Despite not agreeing with Al Gore on substantive matters, the Nobel Prize is nearly universally regarded as the signature intellectual achievement of academia. I think it makes sense to congratulate Gore, even if one does not see eye-to-eye with him.
10.12.2007 11:21am
Swede:
In regard to the farce that is the Nobel Peace Prize, I think they picked the perfect guy.
10.12.2007 11:35am
Anonymouseducator (mail) (www):
Despite not agreeing with Al Gore on substantive matters, the Nobel Prize is nearly universally regarded as the signature intellectual achievement of academia.


1) I wasn't aware that the Nobel Prize had opinions on substantive matters.

2) What?
10.12.2007 11:38am
fobyoc (mail):
Normally I wouldn't dare contribute to a debate on a US legal website. However, as one of your contributors has posted a somewhat partisan report of a case decided yesterday in the English High Court i thought a link to the unspun judgment would be helpful:
http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2007/2288.html .

By the way, apropos of an earlier debate, the English Attorney General (formerly "Attorney-General") is addressed in court as "Mr. Attorney".
10.12.2007 11:40am
Randy R. (mail):
"With few exceptions, the list of winners is a roster of ignoble villains indeed."

Yeah, right. I remember when Lech Walesa was awarded the Peace Prize for his work on freeing Poland from communism, and it was the Soviet Union that said that the Peace Prize had been devalued.

Then when Archbishop Desmond Tutu won it, all the apartheid supporters were mad. And let's not forget about the woman who won for planting trees in Africa. Or the women who helped end the conflict in northern Ireland. I guess they are all just a bunch of leftwing loonies.

Sour grapes, indeed. I'm sure everyone here would have been jumping for joy if Ann Coulter got the award instead.
10.12.2007 11:41am
calmom:
The Nobel Committee apparently didn't see the hypocrisy in Gore's promoting a film on global warming by flying around in private jets. Talk is cheap. Peace prize medals are cheap. The prize would have had more impact if they'd given it to an environmentalist who actually practices what he preaches.
10.12.2007 11:41am
samuil (mail):
Random,
I think they just can't believe President Bush didn't win for bringing democracy to all this little Iraqi children.
10.12.2007 11:41am
Randy R. (mail):
"With all of the conflict that is currently going on, are you telling me that the Committee couldn't find ANYONE who has done something significant to mitigate ACTUAL conflict?"

Well, I'm sure Condi would have loved to get the prize, but she hasn't been too successful at anything.

But please, go ahead and name someone.
10.12.2007 11:42am
Anonymouseducator (mail) (www):
It's possible to respect Al Gore's activism and still think that it is ridiculous for him to get the Nobel Peace Prize.
10.12.2007 11:44am
samuil (mail):
calmom,
I absolutely agree.
Al Gore should move around a country on the horse, or around the globe on Tur Heerdal boat
10.12.2007 11:44am
Tim Lambert (mail) (www):
One of the things that the report on the court case got wrong was the claim that the judges found there were errors in Gore's movie, when in fact he found that there were 'errors' in the movie. Note the scare quotes.

More here.
10.12.2007 11:45am
Anonymouseducator (mail) (www):

But please, go ahead and name someone.


How about those Burmese monks?
10.12.2007 11:47am
Alan K. Henderson (mail) (www):
The Nobels are making it up as they go along, although there are a few recurring themes:

- Involvement with peace think tanks (many early winners, League of Nations, United Nations)
- Peace plans untested at the time of the award (Kissinger, Hume/Trimble, Arafat &co.
- Weapons reduction (Jody Williams, IPPNW, Frank Kellogg, Aristide Briand
- Dissidents (Ebadi, Sakharov, Walesa)
- Humanitarians (Mother Teresa, Norman Borlaug)
- The Red Cross, when the Nobel committee can't think of anyone else

I doubt that a majority of Nobel Peace laureates can honestly claim to have advanced peace.

All the other medals wait for actual results, but not the Peace Prize. It's like giving an Oscar to movies that are still in pre-release.
10.12.2007 11:48am
PLR:
Peace is not fashionable these days, and the word antiwar has been reduced to an adjective that is used primarily in combination with nouns such as "traitor" or "clown." It doesn't surprise me that the Committee has to wander a bit from the concept of peace itself, especially if the ranks of "famous people who have been in jail a long time" run thin.
10.12.2007 11:50am
Anonymouseducator (mail) (www):

It doesn't surprise me that the Committee has to wander a bit from the concept of peace itself, especially if the ranks of "famous people who have been in jail a long time" run thin.


I agree, and the concept of promoting peace is obviously hard to define. It just seems like giving it to Gore is so politically motivated. Look at it this way: imagine that someone other than Gore - a previously unknown scientist, say - had made the exact same movie, and it had been just as popular, received in exactly the same way.

I don't think there's any way that guy comes close to winning the prize.
10.12.2007 11:55am
WHOI Jacket:
I propose myself for the Nobel Peace Prize, for actions which will lead to the formation of the United Federation of Planets in 2161. I've been raising awareness for many years now on the virtues of interplanetary cooperation.
10.12.2007 11:58am
Elliot Reed:
Unfortunately, there are very few people who have had any success in advancing the cause of peace, and it's impossible to tell whether something worked with the benefit of only a few years' hindsight. So the prize as currently structured (given every year, with the informal requirement that it be for very recent accomplishments) is pretty much doomed to be a failure at picking out the actual peacemakers, if there are any. I think we're seeing the effects of that today.

For the prize to be awarded for actual, significant accomplishments in advancing peace, it would probably have to be awarded only every four years or so for accomplishments at least twenty years old.
10.12.2007 12:03pm
SlimAndSlam:
Ah, anonymouseducator, if a previously unknown scientist had made the same movie, it wouldn't have been as popular.
10.12.2007 12:05pm
The Drill SGT:

(link)Guest #333 (mail):
Wangari Maathai, the 2004 winner, was cited for her environmental work.


Among her other claims to the prize must have been her AIDS reesearch:

Maathai caused a stir among media commentators when, at a press conference following the announcement of the Nobel award, she allegedly spoke out in favor of the claim that the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) was the product of bio-engineering, and then released in Africa by unidentified Western scientists as a weapon of mass destruction to "punish blacks."
10.12.2007 12:06pm
Federal Dog:
"Al Gore should move around a country on the horse, or around the globe on Tur Heerdal boat"


Perhaps he should just minimally practice what he preaches.
10.12.2007 12:10pm
fobyoc (mail):
Further to Mr. Lambert's point, it is also true that Mr. Gore was not a party to the High Court judicial review proceedings, which were solely between Mr.Dimmock and the Secretary of State. Thus any "facts" or "errors" found by Burton J. are not binding on Mr. Gore, particularly as the evidence in judicial review proceedings is not normally subject to cross-examination.
10.12.2007 12:11pm
The Drill SGT:

are you telling me that the Committee couldn't find ANYONE who has done something significant to mitigate ACTUAL conflict?



Who do you suggest? It is rather telling that the Nobel committee found the mitigation of potential future conflict to be more significant than any of the current efforts to mitigate ongoing actual conflict.


I learned of this guy over at althouse this AM. He should have gotten the Peace Prize. He's a real hero: Stanislav Petrov

or Burmese Monks, Or the Ethiopian Army (LOL)
10.12.2007 12:11pm
The Drill SGT:
Best quote of the day?

The former US Vice-President has already taken over from Michael Moore as the most sanctimonious lardbutt Yank on the planet. Can you imagine what he'll be like now that the Norwegian Nobel committee has given him the prize?

Daily Telegraph
10.12.2007 12:14pm
Dave N (mail):
Though I don't agree with all of his politics, Bono is certainly more worthy than Al Gore.
10.12.2007 12:14pm
Steve:
I'm a big Al Gore fan and I would have been perfectly happy to see the prize go to someone more peace-y. Al Gore has already been recognized in many, many ways, and it's not like this prize is going to slow the haters down any.
10.12.2007 12:15pm
Heather:
Interesting that you bring up Norman Borlaug. He was awarded the prize in 1970, but anyone in his line of work today--modifying crops to grow in post-colonial nations--gets villified as cultural imperialists and/or evil purveyors of deadly "frankenfoods."

So yeah, I think it's fair to note that the committee's views have changed as the committee makeup has changed over the years.
10.12.2007 12:16pm
genob:
Which is more likely to cause conflict, strife and war in the world in the next generation:
1. Severe government-enforced limitations on energy consumption around the world, virtually ensuring that emerging economies are prevented from emerging, and degrading the living standard of millions more in developed economies.
2. The speculative possibilty of rising seas and changing weather patterns that may have negative or positive impacts depending on where you live.

My money is on 1. This is precisely what Gore advocates. He is much more likely to cause war, not prevent it.
10.12.2007 12:17pm
calmom:
samuil,
Al Gore's 20 room mansion in Tennessee uses twice as much energy IN ONE MONTH than the average American home uses in one year.
Global warming is only a crisis in Al Gore's movie, not in his home.
10.12.2007 12:18pm
Stuart M. (mail):
I'm glad Gore won the Nobel. He'll need that prize money to pay the heating bill on that big house of his.
10.12.2007 12:31pm
Anderson (mail):
Good heavens. The Peace Prize can be awarded to whoever's done "the most or the best work for fraternity between nations."

Raising consciousness of global warming will plausibly improve international cooperation on addressing the problem. Sounds like "fraternity between nations" to me.

Oh, and whoever said the award to Gore sounded "political" -- kindly read the description of the Prize's criteria, and then explain to me how the award could be anything else?
10.12.2007 12:35pm
Federal Dog:
"Though I don't agree with all of his politics, Bono is certainly more worthy than Al Gore."


Yes, because it takes monster balls to harangue world governments into dumping tax revenues into the bottomless pit of African financial aid while assiduously evading personal taxation himself.
10.12.2007 12:38pm
Pig Bodine:
My money is on 1. This is precisely what Gore advocates.

Gore advocates limitations on greenhouse gas emissions, not on energy consumption or lifestyle. Technological changes at least hold the possibility that emissions limitations are separable from the limitations that you claim Gore advocates.
10.12.2007 12:43pm
Anonymouseducator (mail) (www):
Of course the prize has to be political in one sense. From context, though, I assume that people can tell when I use the term to mean something like "motivated by irrelevant political concerns." If we can't assume that an anonymous scientist could have made such a popular movie, imagine if Newt Gingrich had made the exact same movie and engaged in the same sort of activism. If Gore would get the prize, and Newt wouldn't, why not? What if it had been some other prominent politician?
10.12.2007 12:46pm
vino the wino (mail):
The prize would have had more impact if they'd given it to an environmentalist who actually practices what he preaches.

you mean how bush, cheney, o'reilly, rumsfield and the multitude of other pundits promoting the war in iraq fought in a war or even served in the military?

oh wait...
10.12.2007 12:53pm
lrC (mail):
The committees don't seem to have any hang-ups about the time lag in awarding the actual academic (phys, chem, med) prizes, so it shouldn't be a showstopper for them to wait for results in the field of promoting peace.
10.12.2007 12:57pm
The General:
Rush Limbaugh got robbed!
10.12.2007 12:57pm
Elmer (mail):

Gore advocates limitations on greenhouse gas emissions, not on energy consumption or lifestyle. Technological changes at least hold the possibility that emissions limitations are separable from the limitations that you claim Gore advocates.

Unfortunately, pedal-powered airplanes cannot go 500 mph now, nor will they ever. Al knows there are two possible solutions to his crisis: personal change by billions of people, or some nearly miraculous technical advances. His refusal to lift a finger to solve the problem is immature at best.
10.12.2007 1:04pm
The General:
Gore is a politician and not a scientist. The guy is well-known for exaggerating claims, i.e., inventing the internet, etc, and yet too few people find it necessary to question his wild claims of the world descending into climate chaos unless there is a massive redistribution of wealth by big government. That boggles the mind.
10.12.2007 1:11pm
Pig Bodine:
Immature, hyperbolic misrepresentations aside, Elmer, Al Gore has done far more than lift a finger. In fact, he did far more than that today: "My wife, Tipper, and I will donate 100 percent of the proceeds of the award to the Alliance for Climate Protection...."
10.12.2007 1:12pm
WHOI Jacket:
I love some of the responses here and elsewhere. Where exactly is the call for Bush to win the Nobel Peace Prize?

"You're just mad that Bush didn't win for his hard work in killing brown people".

Um, no. I'm not and I really don't know anyone that is. I'd rather give it people who have actively made a positive difference in the world, like Lech Walsa, Mother Teresa or the Dalai Lama or (yes, even) Jimmy Carter (for Habitat for Humanity)

The closest thing is that I feel that the US Military should get an honorary one every year (for keeping China from attacking Taiwan or NK from doing in SK, or peacekeeping efforts in Djabouti (sp), or furthering women's rights in Afghanistan, etc.)
10.12.2007 1:17pm
Anonymouseducator (mail) (www):
Al Gore never claimed to have invented the internet. He said that he supported its development through his "service in Congress."
10.12.2007 1:17pm
Anderson (mail):
The guy is well-known for exaggerating claims, i.e., inventing the internet

What a beautiful specimen of self-refuting rhetoric; someone should put it in a textbook.

CLAIM: Exaggerators should be ignored.

EVIDENCE: Alleged exaggeration by Gore.

FLAW: The allegation itself is an exaggeration.

RESULT: We should ignore the person telling us to ignore Gore.
10.12.2007 1:30pm
Hoosier:
From stopthegenocide: "It was very courageous of the Nobels to award Arafat, as it was of Carter to write about their plight. History will hold them up as heros for doing what is right. God bless them. God punish any genocidal zionist"

Interesting fact: Stopthegenocide is actually a judge on the Nobel Peace Prize committee.
10.12.2007 1:31pm
NaG (mail):
Kissinger won for helping negotiate the '73 Vietnam peace accord. So while his actions and policies were not all pro-peace, acknowledging that one act was grudgingly worthy.

Why didn't President George H.W. Bush get the prize for his efforts in kicking Iraq out of Kuwait with the broad support of the world community? Doesn't it promote peace to discourage future invasions by tyrants?

How about Cindy Sheehan for her efforts to oppose the War in Iraq? (Mind you, I think Sheehan is an idiot with a whole lot of dumb ideas, but if one was to simply ask who has pressed an anti-war message to significant effect, Sheehan would certainly qualify.)

I agree with those who said that the Peace Prize would be more effective if it is not awarded until some time after the true effects of a person or group's efforts are known, unless those effects are immediately obvious (such as the signing of a peace accord).
10.12.2007 1:33pm
Hoosier:
"You're just mad that Bush didn't win for his hard work in killing brown people".

That's insulting, small-minded, and ignorant. Race has NOTHING to do with it!

I support killing people, no matter WHAT color they are.

Hah! Take That!
10.12.2007 1:33pm
Dave Hardy (mail) (www):
By the way, apropos of an earlier debate, the English Attorney General (formerly "Attorney-General") is addressed in court as "Mr. Attorney".

I much prefer that to the US custom (which I think only evolved recently) of addressing the AG or SG as "General." (The Surgeon General has at least the excuse that his position is technically within the armed services, a holdover of the days when the position involved overseeing care for the wounded, as opposed to warning us about being overweight).
10.12.2007 1:45pm
Fub:
Anonymouseducator wrote at 10.12.2007 11:47am:
How about those Burmese monks?
The Drill SGT wrote at 10.12.2007 12:11pm:
or Burmese Monks, Or the Ethiopian Army (LOL)
Just a minor factual point here. Aung San Suu Kyi, currently under house arrest by SLORC, whose cause and activities have been congruent with those of the Burmese Monks for decades, was awarded a Nobel Peace Prize in 1991 "for her non-violent struggle for democracy and human rights".
10.12.2007 1:58pm
Lugo:
The criterion [for winning the Nobel Peace Prize] is greatest promoter of the left wing cause du jour.

Well, I guess this explains why Henry Kissinger won.


Indeed it does! The Left-Wing cause du jour in 1973 was to get the US out of Vietnam in order to allow Hanoi to conquer Saigon. Prince Henry's Peace Accords did exactly that.

Well, maybe if we had more right-wing Americans like Butler, Kellogg, Dawes, Root, and Roosevelt....

Eh, the character of the prize changed dramatically after 1945, but judging by the results of their policies, there is no reason to respect the "Peace Prizes" of Dawes, Kellogg, or Butler.

Despite not agreeing with Al Gore on substantive matters, the Nobel Prize is nearly universally regarded as the signature intellectual achievement of academia.

Not the Peace Prize. The Peace Prize is purely political, not a measure of intellectual achievement.

Yeah, right. I remember when Lech Walesa was awarded the Peace Prize for his work on freeing Poland from communism, and it was the Soviet Union that said that the Peace Prize had been devalued.

Remember I said "with few exceptions"? Lech is one of them. George Marshall is another.

Then when Archbishop Desmond Tutu won it, all the apartheid supporters were mad. And let's not forget about the woman who won for planting trees in Africa. Or the women who helped end the conflict in northern Ireland. I guess they are all just a bunch of leftwing loonies.

You're right, they are.
10.12.2007 2:01pm
Smokey:
Now there's a Nobel Prize for Globaloney? Who knew??
10.12.2007 2:10pm
genob:

Immature, hyperbolic misrepresentations aside, Elmer, Al Gore has done far more than lift a finger. In fact, he did far more than that today: "My wife, Tipper, and I will donate 100 percent of the proceeds of the award to the Alliance for Climate Protection...."



If he was serious about addressing the problem through some means other than billions of people dramatically cutting their energy consumption and lifestyles, he would donate towards building nuclear power plants (the only feasible, non-greenhouse emitting source of energy available to us right now, and as Al says, we must stop in the next decade or we will have passed the tipping point into certain disaster) and into real research into new energy sources.

Instead he donates to an organization who describes their staff as: "equipped with decades of top-notch experience in private sector marketing, advertising and communications"

If you have any other suggestion on how the developed world would cut greenhouse gasses by 90% (the goal of the Alliance for Climate Protection), short of living without light, heat or transportation, you would be able to make many billions of dollars.

On the other hand, if Al thinks he's going to use the power of government force me and millions of others to live in a cold dark cave in order to prevent an inch of sea level rise, I'll be ready to take up arms. I would imagine that there would be a few more with me on that.
10.12.2007 2:21pm
BGates (www):
Where's Reagan's Nobel? His work led to the abolition of the standing armies of East Germany and the Soviet Union, and the reduction of standing armies in France, Canada, and everywhere else in the western world during his term, and reduction in the standing armies of Warsaw Pact nations shortly afterwards.

Reagan kept the "precautionary principle uppermost" in his mind. He knew that extensive Communist expansion would "alter and threaten the living conditions of much of mankind", "induce large-scale migration" unless the Soviets could build new walls to keep in conquered nations, "and lead to greater competition for the earth's resources."

Unlike Gore's efforts, we know Reagan's worked, too.
10.12.2007 2:24pm
Anderson (mail):
if Al thinks he's going to use the power of government force me and millions of others to live in a cold dark cave in order to prevent an inch of sea level rise

My god, HOW DID YOU FIND OUT THE SECRET PLAN?
10.12.2007 2:28pm
Federal Dog:
"Instead he donates to an organization who describes their staff as: "equipped with decades of top-notch experience in private sector marketing, advertising and communications"


That's rather the point. It's all hype. He needs help hyping it.
10.12.2007 2:31pm
Anderson (mail):
Where's Reagan's Nobel?

If he hadn't gone to Bitburg, among a few other gaffes, I think he and Gorbachev might have shared a Nobel. I suspect they were seriously considered.
10.12.2007 2:32pm
Elmer (mail):
Pig Bodine:
Our atmosphere does not care what people say about it. It may well be affected by the amount of CO2 people put into it. Mr. Gore tells others that they should reduce their carbon emissions. Through offsets, he also pays others to do so. He does not do so himself. Most of the people I know who've reduced their carbon output are not Gore fans, and most the fans I know have not reduced their output. Absent better evidence to the contrary, I am skeptical that Mr. Gore's efforts have reduced CO2 emmissions in the aggregate.

Drastic reduction of carbon emissions will require and/or cause large cultural changes. Mr. Gore could make his lifestyle an example of reducing carbon output without being miserable as a result. Instead, he is a private-jet-setter. The message is that only someone else can solve the problem. I think the charge of immaturity is fair.
The Alliance for Climate Protection has pretty good info on offsets. I'd been meaning to learn about them, but I was too lazy to actually do so. Thanks for the pointer.
10.12.2007 2:33pm
JRL:
"if Al thinks he's going to use the power of government force me and millions of others to live in a cold dark cave in order to prevent an inch of sea level rise"

I stand buy my assertion that if global warming were to occur, it would result in a decrease in sea levels, not the opposite.
10.12.2007 2:45pm
Elmer (mail):

...force me and millions of others to live in a cold dark cave...

It doesn't have to be unpleasant. As Bugs Bunny sang, "There ain't no place like a hole in the ground..." Underground houses are more expensive, but very easy to heat, cool in summer, and quiet. With recent advances in LEDs, you could keep it brightly lit without too much energy. Better still, LEDs could imitate that cool flickering torchlight which is so popular with cave decorators, perhaps because it's too dark to care about dusting.
10.12.2007 2:48pm
genob:

if Al thinks he's going to use the power of government force me and millions of others to live in a cold dark cave in order to prevent an inch of sea level rise

My god, HOW DID YOU FIND OUT THE SECRET PLAN?


Perhaps I exaggerated a bit....I guess I aspire to a Nobel Prize.
10.12.2007 2:49pm
PLR:

I much prefer that to the US custom (which I think only evolved recently) of addressing the AG or SG as "General."

Amen to that. I would think that some military officers would take umbrage at General Ashcroft's novel take on the honorific.

In the same vein, I have not asked people to address me as "doctor" even though my law school degree is a J.D. from the era after the LL.B. fell out of fashion.
10.12.2007 2:53pm
Pig Bodine:
He does not do so himself.

That is not true, Elmer. Gore, his household, and his political/business endeavors have all greatly reduced their greenhouse gas emissions. They are valid examples of reducing emissions without being miserable as a result.

If you care to examine whether the emissions to activities ratio of the Gores' endeavors meets the sustainability threshold, be my guest. I am not aware that Gore has declared that they have met that threshold, only that they are working toward it and are purchasing more than enough carbon credits to offset the remainder. In the meantime, there is no need to misrepresent facts by declaring that the Gores and their concerns have not reduced their greenhouse gas emissions.
10.12.2007 3:04pm
Elliot123 (mail):
I would be very interested in a listing of Peace winners with a corresponding description of the actual results of their efforts. Not their intentions, and not their states of mind, but actual results. There seems to be a lag of quite a few years between the work of the winners in physics, chemistry, and medicine as others in the fields verify the importance of their achievements. But the Peace Award seems a bit more like a popularity contest and wishful thinking exercise.
10.12.2007 3:46pm
Pig Bodine:
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/
http://www.nobelprizes.com/nobel/peace/peace.html
10.12.2007 3:51pm
Elmer (mail):
Pig Bodine:

I'll admit to being unaware of the whole graph of Gore energy use over time. You may be right about a reduction, but it seems terribly unfair to ask me to back up my assertions with fact, particularly when it would require noticeable effort, i.e. energy. How much would that energy contribute to global warming? Just to be safe, I'll wait, in the hopes that someone else will do it.
10.12.2007 3:51pm
eddie (mail):
So here's a day for Americans to be proud that an American won an international prize for promoting world peace through his efforts to bring a message to the world about an impending crisis.

And this is an occasion for all of the "conservatives" to express there mature, serious and high-minded envy that the prize is meaningless.

Does this mean you hate America, since you cannont celebrate a native son's world-wide acknowledgment?
10.12.2007 3:57pm
The General:
Gore has not only exaggerated his influence on the creation of the internet, but has made other exaggerated claims as well: his work on the Nuke Test Ban Treaty, his discovery of Love Canal, writing the Superfund law, that he and Tipper were the models for the couple in Love Story. He didn't say the words "I invented the internet" he said he "took the initiative in creating the internet" but it was nonetheless an exaggeration of what he actually did.

The point is that the man has a reputation for exaggeration for a reason and it's odd that people choose to ignore it.
10.12.2007 4:05pm
JBL:
Yes, it's all part of a partisan plot. But it's not about Rebublicans and Democrats. Remember, the Nobel committee is NORWEGIAN! The Norwegians are backing Gore and his global cooling initiative in an effort to turn the entire planet into a frozen wasteland like Norway, so that the already-acclimated Viking hordes can pour forth from their fjords and loot and pillage the helpless, shivering Southeners. The threat is real.
10.12.2007 4:20pm
Eli Rabett (www):
General dear, Gore said "During my service in the United States CONGRESS, I took the initiative in creating the Internet" and he did. He did not say that he created the INTERNET. Funny thing, the creator of the network protocols, Vincent Cerf agrees as does Marc Andressen, the creator of the Mosaic and Netscape browser and many others. Your little version comes out of the lying Repobfax

And then, of course the Love Canal thing:


The Love Canal controversy began on Nov. 30 when Gore was speaking to a group of high school students in Concord, N.H. He was exhorting the students to reject cynicism and to recognize that individual citizens can effect important changes.

As an example, he cited a high school girl from Toone, Tenn., a town that had experienced problems with toxic waste. She brought the issue to the attention of Gore's congressional office in the late 1970s.

"I called for a congressional investigation and a hearing," Gore told the students. "I looked around the country for other sites like that. I found a little place in upstate New York called Love Canal. Had the first hearing on that issue, and Toone, Tennessee---that was the one that you didn't hear of. But that was the one that started it all."

After the hearings, Gore said, "We passed a major national law to clean up hazardous dump sites. And we had new efforts to stop the practices that ended up poisoning water around the country. We've still got work to do. But we made a huge difference. And it all happened because one high school student got involved."

The context of Gore's comment was clear. What sparked his interest in the toxic-waste issue was the situation in Toone---"that was the one that you didn't hear of. But that was the one that started it all."

After learning about the Toone situation, Gore looked for other examples and "found" a similar case at Love Canal. He was not claiming to have been the first one to discover Love Canal, which already had been evacuated. He simply needed other case studies for the hearings.

The next day, The Washington Post stripped Gore's comments of their context and gave them a negative twist. "Gore boasted about his efforts in Congress 20 years ago to publicize the dangers of toxic waste," the Post reported. "ŒI found a little place in upstate New York called Love Canal,' he said, referring to the Niagara homes evacuated in August 1978 because of chemical contamination. ŒI had the first hearing on this issue.'... Gore said his efforts made a lasting impact. ŒI was the one that started it all,' he said." [WP, Dec. 1, 1999]


Oh yes, Love Story, eat your heart of Al Gore WAS one of the two inspirations for the male lead. Tipper, was not Jenny tho, as the author, Eric Siegel explained.

Obviously just another round in the War On Gore. It might be useful if the GDS folks here stopped abusing the truth.
10.12.2007 4:37pm
Elliot123 (mail):
"Does this mean you hate America, since you cannont celebrate a native son's world-wide acknowledgment?"

It means consevatives cannot celebrate someone simply because he is a native son; they demand that he accomplish something. They rightly celebrate native sons Pauling, Watson, Friedman, etc. because they actually accomplished something.
10.12.2007 4:43pm
Russ (mail):
I'll start believing global warming is a crisis when those who are telling me it is start acting like it themselves, rather than preaching about what only the little people should do.
10.12.2007 4:45pm
Random:
>> Despite not agreeing with Al Gore on substantive matters, >> the Nobel Prize is nearly universally regarded as the
>> signature intellectual achievement of academia.

> Not the Peace Prize. The Peace Prize is purely political,
> not a measure of intellectual achievement.

It's the clearest example of Alfred Nobel trying to reward, specifically, the social sciences. In theory, one of the primary objectives of the social sciences can probably be reasonably characterized as "world peace."

The economics prize, if you want to get right down to it, is the one that has legitimacy problems (and amusingly, is apparently the most vaunted by the conservative legal establishment). Is that a measure of intellectual achievement.

I stand by my original comment--denigrating the award due to the identity of the recipient looks like sour grapes.
10.12.2007 5:14pm
Smokey:
eddie notes Gore's "...efforts to bring a message to the world about an impending crisis."

That 'impending crisis' fearmongering was launched by Gore nine years ago, when he first stated - as a matter of fact - that the Earth faced "...a planetary catastrophe within ten years."

However, over the past six years the UN/IPCC has greatly reduced its earlier prediction of an imminent sea-level rise, from twenty meters to less than one-half meter [17 inches] over the next century - which is right in line with the average sea-level rise since the last Ice Age. Not much of a 'planetary catastrophe' there. Problem is, despite the IPCC's reducing its predicted sea-level rise to one-fortieth its previous estimate, Al Gore is still singing the same 'planetary catastrophe' tune. After all, it brings in the bucks. Big bucks.

And global warming? Since 1998 - nine years ago - global temperatures have been flat or trending downward. The warmest days on record were in the 1930's, when there was much less industrialization, and when CO2 levels were well below today's level. And hurricanes? They seem to be trending lower in both numbers and in strength [Katrina was only noteworthy because it directly impacted a city built several feet below sea level].

In fact, just about every global warming conjecture made by Gore is either flat wrong, or falls well within Earth's natural climate variablility. If Gore actually believed what he claims, he would be a traitor to the human race for not setting an example by reducing his energy use below the national average. After all, it's a planetary catatstrophe he's supposedly trying to avert. But I suspect that Al knows the truth, and he's not about to start using one square of toilet paper per dump.

Gore is, in fact, acting in his own financial best interest by shilling global warming; his net worth has increased from ~$1 million in 2000 to around $100 million today. Fine and goody for him. But it is the Nobel committee that has perverted old Alfred's trust into a Leftist propaganda organ. By handing out a Nobel to a shill, they have made a mockery of the award. That is the real problem.
10.12.2007 5:16pm
Elliot123 (mail):
"I stand by my original comment--denigrating the award due to the identity of the recipient looks like sour grapes."

The identity of the repicient is not important. It's the lack of accmplishment and misleading claims (20 foot sea level rise) that are. For physics, chemistry, and medicine the accomplishments greatly overshadow the individual identity. I fail to see that in the Peace Award.
10.12.2007 5:39pm
WHOI Jacket:
The Peace Award can be won without actually achieving it's goals.

See:
Kellog-Brand which "outlawed" war.

Arafat and the Oslo Accords which brought "peace to the Mid-east"

1973 Kissinger/Tho which "ended hostilities in Indochina"

or awarded to frauds like Rigoberta Menchu
10.12.2007 5:56pm
Chibbie (mail):
How will we know whether his work will ever have the slightest effect in bringing peace to any part of the world.
Any inter-area conflict will be painted as caused by global warming and they will be painted as prophets of things to come.
If there are no conflicts that can be categorized as having arisen because of global warming, they will get credit for warning the world about the dangers and forcing all to change their ways.
What a joke. Add the Nobel Peace Prize to the list of awards that have no meaning (if you have not already).
10.12.2007 6:47pm
Visitor Again:
Last year the Volokh Conspiracy was in an uproar because Stanley "Tookie" Williams, since deceased, had been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize and his supporters were using that as a ground for clemency precluding his execution. It was claimed repeatedly that a Peace Prize nomination means nothing because of the way in which nominations are made and, furthermore, that winning the Peace Prize means nothing because so many unworthies have won it in the past.

This year the VC is all in a tizzy once again, this time because Al Gore actually won the Nobel Peace Prize. It's rather peculiar that all those VC'ers are spending time and energy wailing about an award they claim is meaningless. Why bother to be upset if the award means nothing?

Gore will, of course, come under "Lear jet liberal" criticism once again for all the emissions he causes when he flies to Oslo to accept the award in December. The only way to avoid that criticism is to leave for Oslo tomorrow by canoe and catch a favorable current. Or perhaps he should just refuse to attend.

Congratulations, Al Gore, on winning the Nobel Peace Prize. And thanks because it's fun to watch most of the VC'ers squealing like stuck pigs. They're pulling out all the stops. They're even using the old "invented the Internet" thing. All because you won a meaningless award for your work on something that doesn't exist or, if it does exist, is not caused or preventable by human beings.
10.12.2007 7:02pm
Anthony A (mail):
If I were looking to honor someone who actually did something to advance peace, who is still alive, I'd award a Peace Prize to whoever negotiated the climb-down between India and Pakistan after the bombings in India - that could have gotten much, much worse than it did.

I'd also nominate Alvaro Uribe for getting Colombia's paramilitaries to demobilize.
10.12.2007 7:08pm
Mary (mail):

Gore, his household, and his political/business endeavors have all greatly reduced their greenhouse gas emissions. They are valid examples of reducing emissions without being miserable as a result.



Yes. Start out with vastly more than everyone else, then reduce to merely lots more.

We had better start on the first step.
10.12.2007 8:08pm
Enoch:
I stand by my original comment--denigrating the award due to the identity of the recipient looks like sour grapes.

The NPP award should be denigrated regardless of the identity of the recipient. It is a ludicrous, meaningless farce.

Since I was never in the running for the NPP, denigrating it for any reason at all does not represent "sour grapes".
10.12.2007 8:13pm
David M. Nieporent (www):
It's rather peculiar that all those VC'ers are spending time and energy wailing about an award they claim is meaningless. Why bother to be upset if the award means nothing?
Do you often have this much trouble understanding the concept of the distinction between "is" and "ought"?
10.12.2007 8:24pm
Truth Seeker:
Random:
... the Nobel Prize is nearly universally regarded as the signature intellectual achievement of academia.


Was.
10.12.2007 9:49pm
Truth Seeker:
The best spin on this is that this makes the Bush presedency one with the most Nobel Prizes awarded to Americans! (Tied with Hoover, Nixon and Reagan.) See here via Instapundit.
10.12.2007 10:07pm
Guest #333 (mail):
What's your point about Maathai, The Drill Sgt? If we start taking back prizes from every Nobel laureate who says something odd after s/he wins, the returns line is going to get very long....

The point, of course, is that this award is not the first time that the Peace Prize has been predicated largely on environmental work.
10.12.2007 11:02pm
Guest #333 (mail):
P.S. Wangari Maathai apparently has rather different views on HIV/AIDS than The Drill Sgt suggested:

I have warned people against false beliefs and misinformation such as attributing this disease to a curse from God or believing that sleeping with a virgin cures the infection. These prevalent beliefs in my region have led to an upsurge in rape and violence against children. It is within this context, also complicated by the cultural and religious perspective that I often speak. I have therefore been shocked by the ongoing debate, generated by what I am purported to have said. It is therefore critical for me to state that I neither say nor believe that the virus was developed by white people or white powers in order to destroy the African people. Such views are wicked and destructive.

http://greenbeltmovement.org/a.php?id=30
10.12.2007 11:13pm
M. Simon (mail) (www):
This is no worse than giving Walter Durranty the Pulitzer.
10.12.2007 11:18pm
M. Simon (mail) (www):
Random:
... the Nobel Prize is nearly universally regarded as the signature intellectual achievement of academia.


Given the state of Academia today I'd have to agree.
10.12.2007 11:21pm
Alan K. Henderson (mail) (www):
The one kind of activity whose contribution to peace is the most certifiable and which never wins the Nobel Peace Prize is military defeat of tyranny. The Twentieth Century's most visible defeat of tyranny - that of WWII - is not honored with a Nobel.

That century's most visible nonmilitary overthrow of tyranny - the end of the Cold War - is honored with only two Nobels. (Mostly nonmilitary - at least two victories were earned by arms: the invasion of Grenada, and Peru's defeat of the Sendero Luminoso.) Walesa got his nine years too early, and Gorby got his for the wrong reason. From the Nobels' official press release on the 1990 prize:
During the last few years, dramatic changes have taken place in the relationship between East and West. Confrontation has been replaced by negotiations. Old European nation states have regained their freedom. The arms race is slowing down and we see a definite and active process in the direction of arms control and disarmament. Several regional conflicts have been solved or have at least come closer to a solution. The UN is beginning to play the role which was originally planned for it in an international community governed by law.
Gorby's sole contribution to the liberation of (most) of Eastern Europe was leaving Eastern Europe alone. The Warsaw Pact governments and their dissident populations were convinced that Soviet tanks would not come to re-Commify their nations at a time when the General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union is paying lip-service to reforms reminiscent of those that earned Soviet invasions in 1956 and 1968.

The arms race existed because the USSR was out to conquer the world, and the US and NATO stood in the way. If the rival powers has vastly reduced their nuclear stockpiles, we wouldn't have been any closer to peace - the Soviets were expanding the Communist sphere without nukes. Nuke reduction was a mere symptom of the advances toward peace, and not the cause.

Regional conflicts coming to resolution...well, there was the military defeat of the Sendero Luminoso, and the electoral defeat of the Sandinistas. And an El Salvadoran Communist movement was nipped in the bud, IIRC. Gorby didn't contribute to any of those outcomes.

Vaclav Havel never got a Nobel for leading a peaceful revolution in Czechoslovakia. The Hungarian Communist Party dind't get one for voting itself out of existence. Nobody won the award for liberating the Baltic States (which happened in 1991, the year after Gorby's prize).
10.12.2007 11:21pm
M. Simon (mail) (www):
Solar Scientists are predicting the coming of a Little Ice Age. With Global temperatures falling for the last few years such an outcome can't be ruled out.

If it comes to pass it should raise the value of the Award to new heights. Or would that be new lows?
10.12.2007 11:26pm
abw (www):
What will be funny is five or ten years from now Iraq will be the equivalent to West Germany and Japan 10yrs after WWII and all these people sarcastically suggesting Bush get a Peace Prize will be eating their words when Dubya gets his Nobel.
10.13.2007 1:09am
Alan K. Henderson (mail) (www):
I won't be as optimistic as abw about the fate of Iraq - its democracy is quite fragile, and lots of things can happen. But even if Iraq exceeded the rosiest of expectations, there is no way in Hades that Bush will ever get a Nobel. The Nobels always look to present goings-on, never past achievements. When and if Iraq becomes a solid rule-of-law representative republic, the history that got it there will be forgotten. Wars that win peace never get the Nobel Peace prize, anyway.

On that note, I recall Volokh conspirator Eric Jaffe's suggestion for a Nobel War Prize. I'm all for it, except I'd rather it not be named for a committee with a long history of jumping sharks. Naming it after Douglas A. MacArthur War Prize is one suggestion - he performed one of the greatest political transformations of the 20th century, and couldn't have done it without tons of ordnance.
10.13.2007 1:47am
Bob from Ohio (mail):
Conservatives wrote off the "Peace Prize" after Gorbachev but not Reagan got it.

But it has been a joke since the beginning. Look at the list of winners. It is filled with heads of defunct and useless organizations. The League of Nations president! Yes, that organization was very successful in stopping war.

Teddy R. helped stop a war. It is sometomes useful to encouarge rebels against tyranny (Walesa, the Dalai Lama and a few other dissidents). That's about it.
10.13.2007 2:40pm
Ken Arromdee:
I am not aware that Gore has declared that they have met that threshold, only that they are working toward it and are purchasing more than enough carbon credits to offset the remainder.

The problem with carbon offsets in this context is that you need to be a rich person like Gore to buy them. He's proposing a standard that is easy for him to meet, but hard for the people he demands sacrifices from.

Imagine if some politician were to say that everyone should pay a "blogging credit" of a thousand dollars or else stop blogging. He keeps a blog, but of course, he's perfectly willing to pay the thousand dollars, so he isn't hypocritical. Right?
10.13.2007 2:58pm
Elliot123 (mail):
If Gore's handling of cabon is the ideal, we should be able to develop a formula that we can all follow.

Let:
C = Gore's total annual carbon consumption
I = Gore's incremental annual carbon offset investments
R = I/C = Ideal annual individual incemental investment per carbon unit

Does anyone know either C or P? It would put a definitive price tag on the cost of defeating global warming. America is waiting.
10.13.2007 3:18pm
Gaius Marius:
The Nobel peace prize is a fraud due to the fact that it was awarded to a huckster like Al Gore who is doing nothing more than promoting junk science about man-made global warming while driving around in his SUVs, flying around in his fuel inefficient lear jets, and living in a house that puts more CO2 into the atmosphere in a single day than my house does in a month.
10.14.2007 8:30am
Mikeyes (mail):
It was curious to see that Linus Pauling was mentioned as someone who conservatives would honor for his Nobel Prizes since Pauling won his Peace prize for advocating disarming all nuclear weapons and was an atheist.

The real problems with the Peace prize is that it reflects political rather than scientific thinking. Pauling won his 1954 Prize for his work on chemical bonds, a seminal finding in the field of chemistry.

Who knows what the criteria for the Literature prize are? That prize's criteria are even more baffling.

Besides, it is not about the honor, it's the money ;']
10.14.2007 11:28am
Elliot123 (mail):
I mentioned Pauling, and I confess I was honoring his prize in chemistry, having forgotten about the peace award.
10.14.2007 12:30pm
A. Zarkov (mail):
“I'm wondering about what strikes me as the rather indirect relationship between raising the world's consciousness about climate change and promoting peace.”

The phrase “raising the world's consciousness” is actually a piece of Marxist jargon. Doris Lessing, 20007 Nobel Prize winner in literature, wrote in a recent op-ed piece:

A successor to “commitment” is “raising consciousness.” This is double-edged. The people whose consciousness is being raised may be given information they most desperately lack and need, may be given moral support they need. But the process nearly always means that the pupil gets only the propaganda the instructor approves of. “Raising consciousness,” like “commitment,” like “political correctness,” is a continuation of that old bully, the party line.
Marxism has so penetrated the western world that even the opponents of communism and socialism have adopted it’s language and ways of reasoning without being aware.
10.14.2007 8:53pm
Tony Tutins (mail):
Oh yes, Love Story, eat your heart of Al Gore WAS one of the two inspirations for the male lead. Tipper, was not Jenny tho, as the author, Eric Siegel explained.

Is this the parallel universe Love Story? Because in my world it was written by Erich Segal. And how can the son of a border state politician be the inspiration for the son of a New England WASP patrician? Further, how could Tipper have possibly been the inspiration for a daughter of a working-class Italian Catholic?

Regarding Arafat -- Israel didn't realize he was the moderate they should have negotiated with, so they wouldn't have had to deal with the hardcore Hamas. Instead they merrily demonized Arafat and hoped he would be replaced by someone more pliable.

One thing hinted at here that I agree with: Truman should have won the Peace Prize for expeditiously ending the war with Japan.
10.14.2007 10:58pm
Sparky:
The same criticism would seem to apply to Mother Teresa. Fighting poverty is all very good in its way, but it has basically nothing to do with bringing about world peace.

But everybody liked Mother Teresa.
10.15.2007 10:58am
Sparky:
Randy R.: I know what you were trying to say, but Ann Coulter is a bad example. She is not beloved here. See, e.g.:

http://volokh.com/posts/1172905112.shtml
http://volokh.com/posts/1172913660.shtml

Try hanging out here more often!
10.15.2007 11:14am
Elliot123 (mail):
"The same criticism would seem to apply to Mother Teresa. Fighting poverty is all very good in its way, but it has basically nothing to do with bringing about world peace.

But everybody liked Mother Teresa."


Princess Di was probably also on the path to the Nobel Peace Prize before her unfortunate demise. Look for Bono in upcoming years.
10.15.2007 3:28pm