The Volokh Conspiracy

Stoneridge:

I just came across this essay by Richard Epstein on the Stoneridge case. The whole thing is interesting, but here's an extended excerpt:

Yet, normatively speaking, why should secondary violators be able to escape private damage suits like those brought against primary wrongdoers? One way to end the discrepancy is to deny all private damage actions against primary offenders, which is not as farfetched as it sounds.

The key vice of these private suits is to overdeter wrongful conduct. For example, the class that sued Charter let all unfortunate buyers at inflated prices recover for their market losses. But it does not require the lucky sellers of overpriced stock to disgorge the fortuitous profits from selling overpriced stock. The net damage recovery from this temporary imbalance in the markets far exceeds the social losses from the underlying chicanery. Across the board, harsh penalties for nondisclosure now induce firms to remain silent lest they incur huge liabilities for modest misstatements. Administrative remedies can be better calibrated to the severity of the underlying wrong.

Even if a damage suit against primary wrongdoers makes sense, the second round of suits is overkill. Allow this suit against Scientific-Atlanta and Motorola, and then no iron barrier protects any vendors from charges of "knowingly" engaging in fraudulent transactions with hundreds of potential buyers who thereafter mischaracterize these deals in their own financial accounting. Just what fraction of the total loss is attributable to their actions as opposed to other financial gimmicks? And should secondary actors be held liable for all losses if it is hard to isolate a distinct fraction for which they are responsible? The current law of joint and several liability suggests that no apportionment will be made unless it can be made.

Imposing crushing litigation burdens on second-tier defendants who receive no direct benefit from the public fraud is a heavy-handed way to improve transparency of securities markets. The expanded liability has two vices: First, it chews up huge social losses in litigation costs that detract key executives from their major jobs. Second, it leads to erroneous findings on liability rates of error whereby some innocent defendants pay large sums while some guilty parties go free. No system that costly and erratic supplies effective deterrence against fraud.

Bpbatista (mail):
Remember -- despite what admitted felons like Bill Lerach and David Bershad say -- securities fraud class action litigation is not about detering or remedying wrong doing. Rather, it is about lining the pockets of the legal banditi in the plaintiff's bar. Real fraud is deterred by and is punished through both civil and criminal proceedings brought by the SEC. The PSLRA, Sarbox and a generally rising market have greatly reduced the number of securities fraud cases, thus halting the gravy train on which leeches like Lerach and Milberg Weiss have been feeding for decades. Stoneridge is simply a desperate effort to keep the gravy train running.
10.18.2007 4:26pm
PLR:
Some good, if familiar, stuff in there. This sentence caught my eye:
But it does not require the lucky sellers of overpriced stock to disgorge the fortuitous profits from selling overpriced stock. The net damage recovery from this temporary imbalance in the markets far exceeds the social losses from the underlying chicanery.

True, but aren't there many cases in which tortious conduct produces a net "social loss" that's far less than the harm suffered by the individual plaintiff? And have we ever cared about unintended beneficiaries of tortious conduct?

Across the board, harsh penalties for nondisclosure now induce firms to remain silent lest they incur huge liabilities for modest misstatements.

That's another interesting sentence.
10.18.2007 4:28pm
Dilan Esper (mail) (www):
I think Esptein has some valid points-- the real question in any of these suits is whether you want to compensate a plaintiff who lost money due to a misrepresentation even if leads to overdeterrence because the money doesn't come out of the pockets of the shareholders who profited. What is fascinating is that the academic debate about these issues (and to be clear, there are counterarguments to Epstein's position) has absolutely nothing to do with the doctrine by which the Court will decide this (i.e., a refusal to adopt new "private rights of action" under the Securities statutes).
10.18.2007 4:29pm
Adam J:
I think Epstein's argument is really strained. Simply because there were unintended beneficiaries of their fraud that don't have to give their money back doesn't make a case that there was overdeterance. Frankly, if anything there seems to be underdeterance of corporate fraud because its so difficult to catch. And why should the secondary actor get off simply because it's "hard to isolate a distinct fraction for which they are responsible." Shouldn't that burden be on the bad actor and not the victim?

Bpbatista- First, the SEC doesn't bring criminal proceedings, that's the AG's office(and we all know what a good job the AG has done lately). Second, what about restitution? The SEC &AG doesn't get any money back in the pocket of the victims. Third, you seriously think the threat of a class action doesn't deter corporations from committing fraud and other acts of malfeasance- I'd say they're alot more scared of that then the SEC. Fourth, what upsets you about the lawyers "lining their pockets"?,(it's called profit and it's what drives capitalism- or are you not a capitalist?) and that only happens after they get a settlement or verdict for the victims.
10.18.2007 5:11pm
frankcross (mail):
Bpbatista is completely wrong, which we know from now considerable empirical evidence. National stock markets are much better in the presence of private causes of action, while government enforcement doesn't show much benefit. Of course it is true that the plaintiffs' lawyers are interested in lining their pockets, just like any other good capitalist seeking profit. And like other capitalists, this produces a social benefit.

I find it remarkably embarrassing that normally libertarian types say rely on SEC enforcement. Hayek was right about capitalism and his reasoning is why we need a private right of action to enforce the securities. Private parties have much more information and much more incentive than does the government.
10.18.2007 5:31pm
kdonovan:
"Second, what about restitution? The SEC &AG doesn't get any money back in the pocket of the victims."

Do Lerach, Milberg &Co do this either? Getting the victim a coupon for for $100 off your next mortgage refi while the attorneys make millions is perverse if the victim really suffered any real loss in the first place.

Kevin
10.18.2007 5:40pm
Adam J:
Frankcross- It's an especially embarrissing argument when the libertarian typically also argues the SEC should be abolished.

kdonovan- I agree completely that a coupon is poor compensation, but it beats no compensation, which is the alternative that Bpbatista would apparently prefer.
10.18.2007 5:48pm
Tony Tutins (mail):

Imposing crushing litigation burdens on second-tier defendants who receive no direct benefit from the public fraud is a heavy-handed way to improve transparency of securities markets.

Amen. This case is a bad poster child for scheme liability.
10.18.2007 6:24pm
Joe Jackson:
"First, the SEC doesn't bring criminal proceedings, that's the AG's office(and we all know what a good job the AG has done lately)."

Contrary to your implication, the DOJ obtains roughly 150 convictions for corporate fraud per year. On the civil side, the SEC launches more than 900 investigations and 500 civil or administrative proceedings per yer.


"Second, what about restitution? The SEC &AG doesn't get any money back in the pocket of the victims."

Once again, look at the facts. If you read the brief joined by Professor Epstein in this case, you would know that (1) the Fair Funds provision of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act allows the government to disgorge and return money to the investors, and (2) the SEC has collected more than $8 billion for such distribution on the last 5 years.
10.18.2007 6:35pm
frankcross (mail):
The SEC can get disgorgement, but I'm not sure about those numbers. Are you sure it is "collected"? A GAO report a while back found that the SEC collected and delivered on only a small fraction of its disgorgement orders.

And relatively speaking, SEC disgorgement not that great. $8 billion over five years is much less than in private actions, deducting attorney's fees. The SEC got disgorgement of $500 million in WorldCom, I think, and private settlements are north of $4 billion.
10.18.2007 7:36pm
Joe Jackson:
I don't know about Worldcom, but I would think that in general a very large discrepancy between government disgorgement and private amounts suggests that the plaintiffs in securities cases are seeking damages that bear no relation to the actual harms suffered.
10.18.2007 8:55pm
frankcross (mail):
I think that's clearly wrong. In WorldCom, the shareholder losses were over $11 billion. Maybe not every penny due to fraud but plainly most of it.

Don't give the government too much credit. I dug up that GAO report. The most recent was 2002. The SEC boasted that it had obtained over $3 billion in disgorgement in the prior four years. The GAO audit found that only 14% of that amount was actually distributed to shareholders. 28% was actually waived by the government, so I'd call the government's number false and misleading. The rest was sitting around uncollected.
10.18.2007 9:31pm
Jiffy:
Frank Cross has answered Epstein's arguments about the value of private rights of action.

Epstein's arguments against liability for "secondary" actors are also unpersuasive. For example, the claim that allowing liability would mean there is

"no iron barrier protects any vendors from charges of "knowingly" engaging in fraudulent transactions with hundreds of potential buyers who thereafter mischaracterize these deals in their own financial accounting"

displays ignorance of the way securities fraud suits are actually litigated. The PSLRA and subsequent court decisions have created higher barriers to getting a securities case past the pleading stage than exist for any other type of civil action. For example, plaintiffs must allege facts that create a "strong inference" of scienter. Those courts that have allowed scheme liability claims have set a very high bar allowing claims to proceed past the pleading stage only when there are very compelling, detailed allegations of clear wrongdoing--allegations that can seldom be made prior to discovery. You hear lots of hypothetical arguments that recognizing scheme liability will lead to innocents being dragged into court, but are there any actual examples of such cases making it past the pleading stage?

The damage allocation concern is pretty much nonsense as well. The traditional rule is that joint tortfeasors are jointly and severally liable--making it the wrongdoers' burden, not the victim's, to sort out among themselves the proper allocation of damages. The PSLRA creates a special rule for securities cases that is, once again, more favorable to defendants than is typical in other areas of tort law. It limits joint and several liability only to "knowing" violators.

The concern about distracting fraudulent executives from their duties is downright comical.

Finally, Epstein repeats the assertion that scheme liability "leads to erroneous findings on liability rates of error," but simply saying that over and over can't substitute for evidence (or even any examples).
10.19.2007 1:52am
Smokey:
So, who reins in the class action lawyers? Anyone?? [Don't mention the Bar. Please. The Bar does next to nothing.] Judges might huff 'n' puff, but they rarely refer attorneys for real disciplinary action for wrongdoing. [eg: why isn't Sandy Burger in prison for the next couple of decades where he belongs?] William Lerach is paraded around - after years and years of unethical shenanigans - as if he was the only one causing ethics problems, while Elliott Spitzer shakes down corporations just like Jesse Jackson does. But the legal profession utters nary a peep. Where are the ethical standards that lawyers demand from everyone else? Is every lawyer secretly thinking, "Ooh! Maybe I could do that and make mega-$millions, just like Bill Lerach."

And please stop all this holier-than-thou babble about lawyers like Lerach, Spitzer and their ilk just being your friendly neighborhood capitalists! They aren't capitalists, they are parasites on the productive members of society who improve everyone's standard of living. Hermann Goering would be green with envy if he knew that someone was promoting the Big Lie labeling class action lawyers as 'capitalists.'

How many businesses do class action 'capitalist' lawyers build? How many cars, trucks? Houses? Computers? Airplanes? Antibiotics? Railroads? How many bushels of grain do they produce? How much software? How much do they add to the GDP?

Class action lawyers are to society as lampreys are to coho salmon. Not a week goes by that I don't get multiple solicitations to join a class action suit against a company that was caught up, like they all were, in the NASDAQ bubble of 2000.

It's bad enough that private sector class action lawsuits are filed at the drop of a hat - most times in the expectation of a hefty payoff just to make the class action lawyer go away. And the 'class' gets a meager bone thrown to them, like "Your next six trades are free," while the lawyers get the 'action.'

But now these politicians want to make it real easy to sue the acquaintences of productive businesses that may have done something improper. You know - the same pols who take the big, big bucks from the very same class action attorneys.

kdonovan, Bpbatista, Joe Jackson, and Tony Tutins raise some excellent points. Another point of view, which is undoubtedly held by the public, is this: a large segment of the class action attorneys are purely self-serving rapacious jackals, salivating at the prospect of multi-$megabuck settlements/verdicts, for mistakes regarding market timing.

The legal profession used to have a strong ethics component, but it seems more and more that those days are long gone. Why? Because the legal profession always has better things to do than to police its own members.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes??
10.19.2007 4:06am
Tony Tutins (mail):
For example, plaintiffs must allege facts that create a "strong inference" of scienter.

So how did this case get anywhere? All that the set-top box companies knew is that Charter wanted to pay extra per box, provided the box companies rebated the surcharge in proportion to the advertising they ran. Will there be any transaction too innocuous to imply the third parties had scienter?

Houston Lawyer had it right on another thread: for any proposed transaction, both sides will have to trot out their lawyers and accountants to scrutinize how the other side will account for their cash flows, for the benefit of unknown investors in the other company.
10.19.2007 11:04am
frankcross (mail):
Smokey, what the class action lawyers do primarily is deter the commission of securities fraud. Which in turn makes the market a much safer place to put money, which in turn allows the stock market to receive much more money. This is actually more valuable to the economy than making cars.
10.19.2007 11:29am
Tony Tutins (mail):
what the class action lawyers do primarily is deter the commission of securities fraud

What the class action lawyers do primarily is inspire the generation of reams of boilerplate disclaimers designed to cover companies' derrieres. Consider this typical discourse on the dreaded Forward Looking Statement:

CAUTIONARY LANGUAGE REGARDING FORWARD-LOOKING STATEMENTS


The following types of statements:


Projections of revenues, income, earnings per share, capital expenditures, dividends, capital structure or other financial items;
Statements of plans or objectives for future operations;
Expectations or plans of future economic performance; and
Statements of assumptions underlying the foregoing types of statements
are "forward-looking statements" as defined by the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Also words such as "anticipate", "believe", "estimate", "intend", "may", "will", "expect", "plan" and "project" and similar expressions as they relate to Ticona, Celanese or the management of each are intended to identify such forward looking statements. Although Ticona and Celanese believe the expectations contained in such forward-looking statements are reasonable, they can give no assurance that such expectations will prove correct. Investors are cautioned that all forward-looking information is subject to various risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from the forward-looking statements, including, without limitation, changes in general economic, business and political conditions, fluctuating exchange rates, the length and depth of product and industry business cycles, changes in the price and availability of raw materials, actions by competitors, application of new or changed accounting standards or other government agency regulations, changes in the degree of patent and other legal protection afforded to the products of Ticona and Celanese, production disruption or interruption due to accidents or other unforeseen events, delays in the construction of facilities, and potential liability for remedial actions under existing or future environmental regulations and potential liability resulting from pending or future litigation. Neither Ticona nor Celanese assumes any obligation to update these forward-looking statements, which speak only as of their dates.


Now, precisely how does adding such statements make the market a much safer place to put money?
10.19.2007 1:39pm
frankcross (mail):
Well, that language is stuck in to serve as a defense to the litigation, and it is not valueless. It warns of specific risks to be considered, and the shortcoming would be that the law is too weak -- in that the warning isn't all that helpful. The "forward looking statement" itself exists only because Congress watered down the law. Don't blame plaintiffs for that.

But the empirical evidence is all consistent that securities litigation encourages larger stock markets.

Oh, and that language isn't any worse than that found in voluntarily negotiated contracts. You going to suggest that contracts aren't important?
10.19.2007 2:22pm
Joe Jackson:
But the empirical evidence is all consistent that securities litigation encourages larger stock markets.

To the contrary, one of the Stoneridge amici showed that the percentage of global IPOs listing in the U.S. fell from 37% to 10% over a five-year period. According to a study overseen by Mayor Bloomberg and Senator Schumer, "the U.S. exchanges are rapidly losing ground to foreign rivals." Why? Because, in the words of SEC Commissioner Paul Atkins, "abusive class actions that result in few or imaginary benefits for class members" but provide "large cash fees" to plaintiffs' attorneys "add to the global perception that the U.S. legal system operates as a 'lottery-like' system of justice."

Meritorious cases promote the efficient working of free markets. Don't make the mistake, though, of thinking that more litigation is always better. Investment in U.S. markets is shrinking because there are too many abusive lawsuits.
10.19.2007 3:02pm
Classlawyer:

The key vice of these private suits is to overdeter wrongful conduct.



Does that seem like what's happened?

Sure, there are dishonest plaintiff's lawyers just like any other profession, especially where there's money to be made. Maybe we should outlaw baseball players because of Bonds, et al. But ad hominem attacks are not useful.

If someone lied to you to get you to invest in his private trucking business, how would you react if his defenses to your fraud claims were: hey, why should I pay when others profited from my lies? or, your lawyer is a rich, greedy plaintiff's attorney?, or the company and insurance will pay (and raise rates) so you're doing a bad thing?

Now, how about you find out his accountant knowingly and actively created false documents, knowing they were intended to deceive you into investing in the trucking company? Or his lawyer lied about the details of his client contracts?
10.19.2007 3:19pm
frankcross (mail):
Ah, I didn't mean every conceivable securities regulation is always good. I meant the private right of action and was responding to people trashing that. Your study doesn't discuss that, the research on IPOs is talking about Sarbanes-Oxley. Which is a very different point. Now, the reason for the reduction in IPOs is very contested (I don't think Atkins had any research) and it may have little to do with securities laws. But that is a fair consideration.

I'm saying that the empirical evidence is clear that nations with private rights of action to enforce the securities laws and with stronger securities laws have much more investment. Cross country research shows that private rights of action and more stringent regulation are associated with greater market capitalization/GDP; market capitalization/sales; lower cost of capital, adequacy of capital, and less market volatility. That's with statistical significance and with a variety of control variables.
10.19.2007 3:24pm
Smokey:
frankcross:
Smokey, what the class action lawyers do primarily is deter the commission of securities fraud.
Then why have an S.E.C., which already has the full authority of the federal government to force redress? And where are those wronged investors' yachts? Or is a $50 software coupon supposed to be plenty for the average investor/stooge on the class action plaintiff's list? Class action law firms are constantly trolling for people to act as cover for their rapacity - as their weekly mail solicitations attest.
This is actually more valuable to the economy than making cars.
Only in a class action lawyer's fevered imagination. By far the largest growth of the U.S. economy occurred during a time when there were no Bill Lerachs gumming up the U.S. economy for their own private enrichment.
10.19.2007 4:02pm
frankcross (mail):
Ah, yes, Smokey the big government statist. You say: Don't protect your own interests. Rely on the government to protect you.

The facts on private rights of action are as I presented them. And the economy did very well in the 1980s, 1990s, and recently, when Bill Lerach was around gumming things up. What's more, the stock market did fabulously well in that era.

Oh, and do you know what the initials PSLRA stand for? Do you know the nature of the "lead plaintiff" requirements it established.
10.19.2007 5:31pm
Smokey:
frankcross:
Ah, yes, Smokey the big government statist.
Frank, me boy, you need to work on your reading comprehension. If you think I am in favor of Big Government, you could not be more wrong.

The government is far, far too large already - and its rate of growth is accelerating. I was simply refuting your claim that we need the current huge class action level of redress.

Congress didn't go nearly far enough in the 90's in limiting class action suits. I do not believe class action suits have any merit. None at all. And note that now our "representatives" want to help out their class action money-donating cronies by allowing more people to be sued by the Lerachs of society. Better by far for the economy when class action suits are entirely eliminated; the rest of us can probably get by without our settlement of a $50 Microsoft coupon. An individual action would go a lot farther than a coupon in making a truly defrauded investor whole - which a class action never does.

Nice try framing your argument by trying to limit it to the 1980's and 1990's, too. As I stated perfectly clearly above, I was referring to a preceding era, before people like Lerach were around constantly filing class actions against companies for unexpected turns in the stock market. In the 1880's and 1890's, for example. You know, when there weren't class action parasites living off of the producing members of society - and when the economy typically grew at double digit rates.

And of course I know what the PSLRA stands for! As does every dues-paying member in good standing of the Puget Sound Labrador Retrievers Association.
10.19.2007 6:33pm
frankcross (mail):
The 1880s? What about the Great Depression? No class action lawsuits then. Also, while we had some good Solow model catchup growth, I'm wondering if you are aware that the unemployment rate for the 1890s hovered around ten percent?
10.19.2007 7:24pm
Jiffy:

So how did this case get anywhere? All that the set-top box companies knew is that Charter wanted to pay extra per box, provided the box companies rebated the surcharge in proportion to the advertising they ran. Will there be any transaction too innocuous to imply the third parties had scienter?


You are wrong about the allegations in Stoneridge. The plaintiffs allege that Charter informed the vendors that they needed to fool their auditors so that the phony revenues could be reflected in their financial statements, and for that reason, they, among other things, agreed to back-date contracts. See the petitioners' brief.
10.19.2007 10:03pm
Montie:
I will leave it to people smarter than I am to determine if securities lawsuits are a good thing in general. However, one cannot assume that expanding liability for securities lawsuits to secondary actors will necessarily benefit securities markets.

Furthermore, I am not a lawyer so I don't know exactly what qualifies as "facts that create a 'strong inference' of scienter." However, if facts such as changes in prices and increases in the complexity of contracts that contemporaneous with the fraud are sufficient to create a 'strong inference' of scienter, then it is likely that this new liability will quickly degenerate into little more than a tax on transactions with public companies.
10.19.2007 10:11pm
Montie:

The plaintiffs allege that Charter informed the vendors that they needed to fool their auditors so that the phony revenues could be reflected in their financial statements, and for that reason, they, among other things, agreed to back-date contracts.


Jiffy, I think that was Tony's point. It is not enough to simply allege that the vendors knew for the case to proceed.
10.19.2007 10:21pm
Tony Tutins (mail):
It is not enough to simply allege that the vendors knew for the case to proceed.

Thanks, Montie. None of the "facts" meant to implicate Scientific Atlanta, etc. have any facts to back them up. The statement of facts contains bald conclusory statements that purport to implicate Motorola, etc., such as "the agreement had no legitimate business purpose." As I've said before, co-op advertising is common in the consumer electronic industry. Motorola didn't want to spend the money, so Charter agreed to supply them with funds. I happen to know that Motorola's acquisition of GI was not the financial success that they might have hoped it would be. [N.B. I have never bought, sold, or owned stock in any of these companies or in their competitors.]

Here petitioner's brief is confusing. First, the statement of facts allege that the cost of the advertising was 4-5 times what Motorola normally would have paid elsewhere, then it refers to the SEC's accusation that the cost of the advertising was 4-5 times what other advertisers paid Charter. So, is the alleged 4X multiplier what Motorola would have paid some Charter competitor, or what other advertisers would have paid Charter? And, is a 4-5X price range for advertising unreasonable? What does Charter's rate card look like?

The backdating seems relatively innocuous: The deal with the prices inflated to cover advertising was meant to cover goods shipped Sept 1 to Dec. 31. So, although the deal wasn't concluded till late September, the contract was dated at a date before the period began, in August.

Most important, no one can deny that this case represents "Imposing [a] crushing litigation burden on second-tier defendants who receive no direct benefit from the public fraud" This case was dismissed in favor of Defendants twice by the district court and once by the circuit court of appeals. But the plaintiffs refused to drop the matter. Now the unlucky set top box vendors have to defend themselves in front of the Supreme Court, something that they never bargained for when they tried to make a sale so we could all sit home and enjoy HDTV.
10.20.2007 12:28am