The Volokh Conspiracy

Federal Court Deference to Lower Court Determinations of State Law:
Here's a legal puzzle for you. The Supreme Court often says that when an issue of state law arises, the Supreme Court should generally defer to the construction of the state law held by the circuit court that includes the state. We saw this most recently in the pledge of allegiance case, Elk Grove Unified School Dist. v. Newdow, 542 U.S. 1, 16 (2004), where the Court stated that "[o]ur custom on questions of state law ordinarily is to defer to the interpretation of the Court of Appeals for the Circuit in which the State is located."

  The Supreme Court has based this rule on institutional competence concerns: circuit court judges are more likely to know and understand state law of local states than are Supreme Court Justices over in Washington, DC. See, e.g., Propper v. Clark, 337 U.S. 472, 486-487 (1949)("In dealing with issues of state law that enter into judgments of federal courts, we are hesitant to overrule decisions by federal courts skilled in the law of particular states unless their conclusions are shown to be unreasonable.").

  So far, so good. But now add in Salve Regina College v. Russell, 499 U.S. 22 (1991), a case on whether circuit courts should defer to district court interpretations of state law. In Russell, the Supreme Court held that circuit courts must not defer to district court determinations of state law; review must be de novo. The Supreme Court reasoned that trial judges have little time to give each case, while circuit courts are staffed by legal eagles who are really good at legal research, federal or state. The Court rejected the notion that district court judges from a state are more likely to understand state law than the appellate judges, who usually won't be from that state. The Court found this argument "to be founded fatally on overbroad generalizations":
[T]he bases of state law are as equally communicable to the appellate judges as they are to the district judge. To the extent that the available state law on a controlling issue is so unsettled as to admit of no reasoned divination, we can see no sense in which a district judge's prior exposure or nonexposure to the state judiciary can be said to facilitate the rule of reason.
The Court also added a constitutional argument, that the position was foreclosed by Erie Railroad Co. v. Tompkins, 304 U.S. 64 (1938).

  So here's the question: Can you reconcile these two lines of cases? If so, how? Why should the Supreme Court defer to Circuit Courts but Circuit Courts not defer to District Courts? (Oh, and no, I'm not writing on this — I'm just curious.)
Armen (mail) (www):
Are you serious? Isn't this question like 1/2 of a Fed Courts course?
12.6.2007 5:04pm
Dave22 (mail):
Since a district court cannot bind another district court (even in the same state), the need for uniformity in the federal system would seem to require the rule that courts of appeal determine the binding decisions on any interpretation of state law in federal court.
12.6.2007 5:04pm
Armen (mail) (www):
To add to Dave:

2) Automatic right to appeal from District Court means Circuit Courts hear far more state law questions than the Supreme Court.

3) Supreme Court jurisdiction only extends to Federal questions, which means state law issues are even rarer.

I'm sure I could think of more if I wasn't ready for a nap.
12.6.2007 5:07pm
Duffy Pratt (mail):
Aren't these rules of construction and deference sort of like old sayings -- for every rule there is an equal an opposite. (E.g. Haste makes waste. A stitch in time saves nine. OR Out of sight, out of mind. Absence makes the heart grow fonder.)

In neither case is the Court saying that there is anything less than de novo review. But on a question of state law where the Court can't think of a better reason to uphold the Circuit Court, it trots out deference. On the other hand, if it wants to run roughshod over the lower court, it will point out that, at least on unsettled questions, the lower courts are in no better position than anyone else to get it right.

Of course, whenever a lower court gets it wrong, its interpretation has been "shown to be unreasonable." So I don't see a contradiction here at all. Whenever the lower court is acting reasonably, according to settled law, the higher court should defer (because it agrees). But if the higher court disagrees, that makes the law unsettled, and the lower court unreasonable.
12.6.2007 5:10pm
Armen (mail) (www):
4) If the question is REALLY tough, then both the DC and/or the CA can certify to the highest court of the state. Which means State issues are incredibly unlikely to go up to SCOTUS.
12.6.2007 5:10pm
PersonFromPorlock:
The two lines can easily be reconciled through Heller's Postulate (better known under another name): "They can do anything to you that you can't stop them from doing."

In fact, the beauty of Heller is that they don't have to be reconciled at all.
12.6.2007 5:13pm
Duffy Pratt (mail):
Dave 22:

I'm not sure a circuit court interpretation of state law is binding on a district court. Of course, the district judge would rule against the circuit court at its peril. But I would have thought that only state court rulings are binding. Everything else would have persuasive value only, at least as a matter of law.
12.6.2007 5:13pm
Cornellian (mail):
Why would the ND Cal be any more familiar with California law than the 9th Cir on the basis of physical proximity when they're both located in San Francisco?
12.6.2007 5:13pm
Cornellian (mail):
Why would the ND Cal be any more familiar with California law than the 9th Cir on the basis of physical proximity when they're both located in San Francisco?
12.6.2007 5:13pm
Duffy Pratt (mail):
Armen:

Supreme court jurisdiction extends wherever the judicial power of the United States extends. This includes alot more than Federal questions. It's true that the Court typically takes cases to resolve Federal questions, but that is for prudential, and not for jurisdictional reasons. If the court decided to take an entire docket of diversity cases involving nothing but state law, it would be a bad decision, but not outside of its power.
12.6.2007 5:16pm
Crackmonkeyjr (www):
There doesn't seem to be all that much to reconcile. There are at least two factors that come into play here: the court's legal ability (measured in experience of the judges and clerks, as well as time to ponder a particular question of law) and their familiarity with local laws. Here, the Supreme Court (ideally) has a very high legal ability, but has no special familiarity with any local laws. On the other hand, district courts are (relatively) low on legal ability, but very high on familiarity with local laws. Finally, Circuit Courts fall somewhere in the middle, this combination arguably makes them better than either the Supreme Court or the District Courts at deciding how a particular local law works.

Another factor that may be at play is uniformity of interpretation. If Circuit Courts deferred to District Courts on matters of state law, you could wind up with a huge number of different interpretations on that state law in federal court, as each district court judge would be deferred when their opinions went up on appeal. This is a bad thing because we want there to be some level of predictability in the law. On the other hand, this will not occur if the Supreme Court defers to the Circuit Courts on local law, as in most circumstances, any given state's laws are only interpreted by a single Circuit Court.
12.6.2007 5:17pm
Apu (mail):
I don't have the time to puzzle through this, but a Supreme Court decision in tension with Salve Regina is Buford v. US, 532 US 59 (2001). There, the Supreme Court held that, when a court of appeals is reviewing a district court's determination whether prior state criminal proceedings had been consolidated, deferential — not de novo — review is appropriate. Among other reasons, this is because: "And as a sentencing judge who must regularly review and classify defendants' criminal histories, a district judge is more likely to be aware of which procedures the relevant state or federal courts typically follow."
12.6.2007 5:17pm
Dave N (mail):
Cornellian,

Since you specifically mentioned the 9th Circuit, why should the Ninth Circuit be more familiar with Montana law than a federal judge in the District of Montana?
12.6.2007 5:17pm
merevaudevillian:
One immediate issue that comes to mind it that a circuit decision would apply to an entire state, whereas a district court decision may apply to only a region of a state (e.g., E.D. Mich. and W.D. Mich.). If appellate courts gave deference to district courts, they would run into the difficulty of picking among potentially conflicting district court interpretations, either across districts or within districts.

Furthermore, I believe that most district court opinions are only persuasive authority on a subsequent district court, whereas most circuit court opinions are mandatory authority on a subsequent appellate panel and may only be overturned en banc.
12.6.2007 5:18pm
Dave22 (mail):
Duffy: A circuit court decision would be binding until some subsequent state appellate court issued a decision that called the circuit court's interpretation into question. One could debate how much something has been called into question, of course, but only in that case can a district court ignore a circuit court's interpretation.
12.6.2007 5:18pm
G.R.:
Just for fun, and without reading the cases:

a. A significant part of the Courts of Appeals' function is error correction, to ensure that the results in individual cases are correct. Fixing erroneous applications of state law would serve that purpose. The Supreme Court, as it sees its role today, does not correct errors. (Leave aside capital cases as an exception that proves the rule.) The Court's job is to clarify and develop federal law. It has no authoritative voice on state law and there is no point in it spending its limited resources on resolving questions of state law which would not be binding on state courts.

b. Both the Supreme Court and the Courts of Appeals also have, as part of their role, ensuring the consistency of the law applied in the federal courts. (This is important whether the law being applied is state or federal.) Generally, review by an individual Court of Appeals will be enough to ensure consistent application of a given state's law, because the majority of cases applying that state's law will go to the Court of Appeals whose territorial jurisdiction encompasses that state. (On preview, this is Dave22's point, or close to it.)

(Perhaps other circuits, if it came to it, should defer to that circuit's interpretation of "its" states' laws? Although the relevant state supreme court would still be able to resolve "splits" of this kind, even without direct review. On preview, this is Armen's point, or close to it. Curse my slow typing.)
12.6.2007 5:19pm
Christopher M (mail):
The most important point, I would think, is that the Supreme Court doesn't have the error-correction role that the circuit courts do. The circuit courts' central purpose is to be a place where you can go and say, look the district court got the law wrong. The need, in individual cases, for that safety valve is no less whether it's a question of state or federal law.

The Supreme Court, on the other hand, isn't generally interested in making sure individual cases come out right, but in making sure the circuit courts get the law right. As to federal law, this function justifies their reviewing circuit courts, both to ensure uniformity and because the S. Ct. arguably has a quasi-political legitimacy when it decides difficult legal questions (where "difficult" = untethered to technical sources of legal authority) that the circuit courts don't. But as to state law, there's no reason to think that they have any superiority over the circuit courts, and uniformity is almost never an issue (though I suppose circuits could end up disagreeing over Delaware law or something like that).

Finally, it's worth noting that circuit court judges really can get to know the law of the various states within their circuit. It's not so much a matter of technical expertise, as it is of becoming familiar with the general patterns of a state's law. (State X has a strong policy of consumer protection, or a certain philosophy of water rights, or whatever.)
12.6.2007 5:19pm
Duffy Pratt (mail):
Cornellian:

Judges on the 9th Circuit come from other states than California. The judges in ND Cal, I presume, come from California. It's not too much of a stretch to assume that a judge from California is more familiar with California law than a judge from Arizona or Hawaii or Alaska. Also, its likely that a district judge from N.D. Cal. will have a fairly substantial docket of diversity cases that deal primarily with California law.
12.6.2007 5:20pm
alias:
1. District judges have less time to consider legal issues, and (as I believe was brought up on your solo blog), their decisions aren't precedential in any sense beyond collateral estoppel/law of the case--they don't bind the authoring judge or other judges in the same district. In light of this, it seems strange to treat their decisions on state law questions as authoritative.

2. The gap between the Courts of Appeals and the Supreme Court re: state law issues is much wider than the gap between the Courts of Appeals and the District Courts. In fact, it could be that court of appeal judges see more issues of state law than district judges, just because of the difference in the way appeals and trials work.

3. With the possible exception of the Ninth Circuit, most courts of appeals have few enough states that the judges in each court can gain a good level of familiarity with the laws of each of the states.

Basically, it's hard to imagine that a single district judge is likely to be better at deciding state law questions with his state than three court of appeals judges are at deciding state law questions within their circuit.
12.6.2007 5:22pm
TerrencePhilip:
<i>Why should the Supreme Court defer to Circuit Courts but Circuit Courts not defer to District Courts? </i>

Because the supreme court is NOT going to decide contested questions of state law, even in cases where they could do so. They have made it clear they are out of that business.

By contrast, the courts of appeal are obliged to grapple with such questions regularly. There is no reason to suppose the average district judge is better versed in local state law than the average circuit judge. Deferring to nonprecedential district court decisions on questions of law makes little sense, especially where the reasoning seems inadequate or there are conflicting district court decisions- in that case, which would you "defer" to?
12.6.2007 5:26pm
Mike& (mail):
Seems like every time Orin asks an interesting question, he gets a lot of "Are you serious?!" in response.

I wish I had the wisdom and insight so many of the VC commenters possess. Who knew so many legal questions like this were closed?
12.6.2007 5:35pm
methodact:
This is a familiar ruse. Another example of this form of ruse is where the People vote on an issue, (such as medical marijuana). If the vote comes down the way rhe government prefers, the government loudly proclaims, "Democracy has spoken". When it doesn't, government simply overrules the vote by declaring supremacy.

The lower courts all claim to be following the US Supreme Court's rulings anyway. Where SCOTUS prefers a change-up, they will foist a change-up. Otherwise they loudly proclaim that the lower courts have spoken.
12.6.2007 5:35pm
Bama 1L:
I wonder how perilous it is to base rules of deference, review, etc. on the notion that certain federal judges come from certain states and are thus more familiar with those states' laws. There's no actual requirement and, with the intermittent prospect of the confirmation system breaking down, it's not unreasonable to suppose that we might at some point see judges from other parts of the country appointed to vacancies. Then would these arguments collapse and we'd need new rules?
12.6.2007 5:36pm
Gullyborg (mail) (www):
color me ignorant here, but if the question is one of state law, shouldn't the state's supreme court be the arbiter?

I realize cases involving state law are often tried in federal courts, and the appeals therefore go to federal appeals courts and SCOTUS. But isn't there a process to certify a question of state law to a state supreme court, instead of leaving the question up to federal judges?
12.6.2007 5:55pm
PLR:
If the Circuit Court of Appeals judges are more competent than the distinguished jurists on the Supreme Court, ipso facto they must be more competent than the knuckleheads on the District Court.

Or, it's easier for one judge to screw up a state law issue than a panel of three or an en banc panel.
12.6.2007 5:55pm
Dave N (mail):
I used Montana as an example above. Paul Hatfield was Chief Justice of the Montana Supreme Court for a year and a state district court judge for 15 years before that. Subsequent to a short stint in the United States Senate, Hatfield was a United States District Judge in Montana 21 years. How would ANY Ninth Circuit judge have more knowledge about Montana law than Judge Hatfield? Inquiring minds really do want to know.
12.6.2007 6:01pm
Crackmonkeyjr (www):
Gullyborg:
The state's supreme court (or whatever it is called in that state) is the final arbiter, but for a variety of reasons, questions of state law wind up in federal court. The most common of these reasons is diversity jurisdiction, where federal courts have jurisdiction over cases involving parties from different states, even if the case is entirely based in state law.

When state law questions are in federal court, it does not have a path to reach any state court through appeals (on occasion a court may certify a question to the state's highest court, but the federal court still has to make the final call). State court decisions are considered to have a precedential value in federal court, but there are often situations where there is no state court decision directly on point. As such, the federal court will have to give it their best shot. The question here is when such a case is in the federal system, which level of the federal judiciary should be deferred to in such a situation.
12.6.2007 6:05pm
JonC:
DuffyPratt says:


Supreme court jurisdiction extends wherever the judicial power of the United States extends. This includes alot more than Federal questions. . . If the court decided to take an entire docket of diversity cases involving nothing but state law, it would be a bad decision, but not outside of its power.


Okay, I'll bite, because I'm in "fed courts" mode right now (I have the final on Monday): it seems to me that the above bolded language cannot be correct given the Court's holding in Murdock v. City of Memphis (1875). The Court there explicitly said that it only has the appellate jurisdiction given to it by Congress, and that that jurisdiction does not extend to pure state law questions. As far as I am aware, Congress has not changed that since 1875 (although presumably it could). The Court can only decide state law questions to the extent they're antecedent to federal questions.

At least, that's my understanding of things, which could be completely wrong. This stuff is far from intuitive.
12.6.2007 6:11pm
Armen (mail) (www):
Duffy, you're right. For some strange reason I assumed the limitation of 28 usc 1257 extended to CA certs as well under 1254.

Gullyborg, there is a law authorizing the certification of state law questions. I think the question has to be determinative of the litigation or some such thing. But it's rarely used. Some reasons include judges not wanting to burden their colleagues across the street when a bit of research will turn up the answer; state judges gleefully punting difficult questions to their federal colleagues with life tenure; and outright superiority complex of federal judges vis-a-vis state judges.
12.6.2007 6:11pm
Anderson (mail):
Circuit judges are supposed to be smarter than district judges. Right?

Also, a circuit-court decision is made by at least two judges, as a rule, so is less likely to be wacked-out than a decision by, say, Judge Kent down Galveston-way.
12.6.2007 6:12pm
Armen (mail) (www):
Jon, that was my understanding too, but 28 USC 1254 doesn't have any limiting language. Then again, I didn't do so hot in fed courts.
12.6.2007 6:14pm
tvk:
The Erie point is, I think, basically impossible to reconcile. But the policy aspect is not hard. You can think of this as a balancing act, and the courts of appeals are the optimum point.

On one axis, you have the degree of specialization. Lets do this on a scale of 1-10. District courts are most specialized to one state (10 points). The Supreme Court specialized in no state (no points). Courts of appeals are in the middle (lets give them 5 points).

On the other axis, you have the degree of competence. District courts get terrible clerks, at least in the snob view of SCOTUS clerks (no points). The Supreme Court gets great clerks (10 points). Since Supreme Court clerks were once circuit court clerks, courts of appeal get 7 points.

Add this up, and district courts and the Supreme Court both get 10 points, while the Court of Appeals gets 12 points. Thus, we arrive at the conclusion that the Courts of Appeals are the optimal point of deference.
12.6.2007 6:15pm
CrazyTrain (mail):
Supreme Court jurisdiction only extends to Federal questions, which means state law issues are even rarer.

That's just incorrect. The Supreme Court has (with some very minor exceptions) appellate jurisdiction* over everything the Circuits have jurisdiction over, and has appellate jurisdiction over the state courts so long as certain conditions are met. Now, the Supreme Court is required (likely as a Constitutional matter) to defer to state high courts on questions of state law, but they still have jurisdiction over many state law questions and more than the Circuit courts (though the Circuits deal with more state law issues as a practical matter). Indeed, although the Court would likely never do this, it could conceivably grant cert to a state appellate court (assuming there is a basis for federal jurisdiction) after the state high court denied review and then reverse on state law grounds holding that the state intermediate court had misconstrued state law. Again, the odds of this actually happen approach zero, but as a jurisdictional matter it is possible.

*I use "appellate jurisdiction" in a non-technical sense, and include writs of cert, mandamus, etc.
12.6.2007 6:16pm
CrazyTrain (mail):
Duffy, you are probably right on what you are saying, but consider this: As a constitutional matter, the Supreme Court still has original jurisdiction (but not exclusive) over a fairly large class of cases (it only has exclusive originaljurisdiction on cases between two states). It declines to exercise this jurisdiction, however, in favor of the district court (e.g., cases involving ambassadors, or even cases where a state is a party). If it wanted, it could take up those cases for a whole year and decide them solely on the basis of state law, as most of them likely only involve state law.
12.6.2007 6:19pm
Will Schendel (mail):
The 9th Circuit has re-iterated its rule about unresolved state law issues, as follows:

when (1) a federal court is required to apply state law, and (2) there is no relevant precedent from the state’s highest court, but (3) there is relevant precedent from the state’s intermediate appellate court, the federal court must follow the state intermediate appellate court decision unless the federal court finds convincing evidence that the state’s supreme court likely would not follow it.

Ryman v. Sears, Roebuck, 2007 WL 2964370 (9th Cir. Oct. 12, 2007).

District Court constructions of state law do not count.

The opinions of other federal judges on a question of state law do not constitute “convincing evidence that the state supreme court would decide [an issue] differently,” [Vesta Dev. II, LLC v. Gen. Dynamics Corp., 249 F.3d 958, 960 (9th Cir. 2001)], nor do those opinions contain any relevant “convincing evidence.”

Other circuit courts view the state’s intermediate appellate caselaw as interesting but not dispositive.

Alaska Employment Law
12.6.2007 6:20pm
New Pseudonym (mail):
Not directly on topic, but:
As a recovering lawyer, I do not have access to the appropriate databases to check this, but was any Justice in the majority in all three cases? (adding Buford.) How about Salve Regina College and one of the others? If so, the answer might shed light on Justice's left/right bias versus their theoretical basis for their decisions.

And how to resolve the dilemma? By avoiding its horns. Insist on the certification of state issues to the highest court in the state. (Again, I can't do the research. Is there any state that refuses certification of state issues?) I am not familiar with certification at the District Court level, but some (all?) Circuit Courts have rules governing this.
12.6.2007 6:20pm
JonC:
Armen: OK, I think I see where I went wrong. I think everything I said above about Murdock is correct with respect to SCOTUS's appellate jurisdiction over pure state law questions arising in *state* court judgment. SCOTUS's appellate jurisdiction over pure state law questions arising in federal circuit court decisions is another matter.
12.6.2007 6:32pm
JonC:
New Pseudonym:
- The Elk Grove majority was Stevens, Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg, Breyer, with Scalia recused and O'Connor, Rehnquist, and Thomas concurring in the judgment.
- Regina's majority was Blackmun, Marshall, O'Connor, Scalia, Kennedy, Souter, with Rehnquist, Stevens, and White dissenting.
- Buford was unanimous.

So, Kennedy and Souter were the only two Justices in the majority in all three. O'Connor, Kennedy, Scalia, and Souter were in the majority in Buford and Regina. Not really sure what that tells you, but FWIW.
12.6.2007 6:47pm
CrazyTrain (mail):
Insist on the certification of state issues to the highest court in the state.

Some states don't have a certification statute so you can't certify. Also, some states (like California) have Supreme Courts that are notoriously over-burdened (usually with death cases) and thus turn down the certification requests. The California Supreme Court turns down over half of the ones it gets from the 9th Circuit (California won't even permit district judges to certify questions). Also, sometimes, the Circuit will not follow the answer, which actually happened in Idaho I think where the 9th Circuit said thanks but no thanks to an answer it didn't like and the Supreme Court there decided to outright refuse all certifications for a number of years.
12.6.2007 6:53pm
TerrencePhilip:
Circuit judges are supposed to be smarter than district judges. Right?

If by "smarter" you mean "raised more money for their party," the answer is usually yes.
12.6.2007 7:05pm
Tim S:
A related point:

It is possible for one State to be required to apply the law of a DIFFERENT State. Imagine a car accident in CA when the defendant lives in FL. Yes, personal jurisdiction lies in CA, but no assets do. So sue in FL, and the local court probably will apply CA law. What if the FL court gets it wrong? Should that be expected?

Many certified question statutes do not allow certification from another State. How can this violation of due process be corrected? I think the Supreme Court has the power to grant cert, and the only correct ruling would be taken entirely from State law. Good luck getting cert. granted. This is part of why Justice Stephens favors wide latitude in State choose of law rules. Allstate, 449 U.S. 302, 326 (Stephens, concurring) "Judges are presumably familiar with their own State law and may find it difficult . . . to discover and apply correctly the law of another State." But Justice Stephens probably would agree that FL is required to apply CA law in my hypo.
12.6.2007 7:31pm
Mike& (mail):
Why should the Supreme Court defer to Circuit Courts but Circuit Courts not defer to District Courts?

This ties into a post that appeared here a month or so ago. One Senator complained that a judicial nominee was not from his home state, and thus would lack the proper "jurisprudential" view indigenous to the state. That was a laughable assertion. Why is it any laughable when the Supreme Court seems to be suggesting the same?

What is special insight about California law does Ninth Circuit obtain by being located in Pasadena? Why would someone in Washington, D.C. lack that insight?

I understand deferring to state court judges on interpretation of state law. But I think the rationale for that is more based on federalism concerns than it is the "special insight" living in a state gives one when interpreting laws.

So I think the deference to Circuit Court judges is sort of silly. Deference (whether we're talking levels of review being applied legislation or a lower court's judicial order) seems to be applied in one of three circumstances: 1. out of a genuine concern for separation of powers; 2. as a way to make less work for the Court; and 3. as a way out of tough cases.
12.6.2007 9:03pm
ReaderY:
I have often wondered why federal circuit courts consider it their job to predict what the Supreme Court of a state would say, as opposed to simply following state law. Why does a federal court get to ignore state intermediate appelate decisions in states whose law makes those decisions binding on trial courts? Why should a federal court consider itself as above state-law authorities that a state trial court would be bound by?
12.6.2007 9:39pm
Duffy Pratt (mail):

Duffy: A circuit court decision would be binding until some subsequent state appellate court issued a decision that called the circuit court's interpretation into question. One could debate how much something has been called into question, of course, but only in that case can a district court ignore a circuit court's interpretation.


Dave 22:

I'm probably arguing a distinction without a difference, because as a practical matter, I agree with you. But here is my argument why your statement isn't quite right. No federal court has the power to declare what state law is. That power only inheres in state courts. Thus, when a Circuit Court renders an opinion about a question of state law, the most that opinion can have is persuasive authority.

If a district court doesn't follow its Circuit on a question of federal law, the reversal language is simple: Case X establishes the law in this Circuit, and the decision of the lower court is contrary to Case X. Therefore, reversed.

If a district court did not follow the circuit on a question of state law, the Circuit would not say anything about the law of the Circuit. And they could not also say authoratatively what the established law of the state was. Instead, the court should say that they had visited the question before and that their best guess of what the State Supreme Court would do is X. That guess has not changed, even in light of the lower court's arguments. Therefore, reversed.

Questions of foreign law fall on something of a sliding scale. Suppose a case hinged on the capitalization requirements of an insurance company under Bahamanian law. It that case, the district court is even empowered, under one of the Federal Rules, to take evidence about the state of the law of Bahama. This kind of finding of foreign law starts to look much more like a finding of fact. And guess what? It looks like District Courts have alot more time to do these arcane undertakings, and higher courts give them alot of deference. Pretty odd, isn't it. How could we let those time pressed District Courts decide arcane points of Bahamanian, or Lithuanian law (two things that came up in my clerkship), but then say they are too incompetent to get some basic American law right.

Anyway, the closer the law comes to home, the more it looks like something that any appellate court could decide.

In reality, the amount of deference that any judge - district or appellate - gets will largely depend on the individual judges involved, and not just on whether they are circuit or district judge. A good district judge, who also served as a state court judge (at any level), will get more deference from a circuit court panel than a judge who plays fast and loose and routinely gets stuff wrong. And the circuit court judges are keenly aware of which is which. Of course, that sort of statement would never see the light of day in a Supreme Court opinion. So instead you get the kind of useless claptrap that masquerades as reasoned rules in the opinions Prof. Kerr cites.
12.6.2007 9:45pm
Duffy Pratt (mail):
Does anyone know what happened on remand in Salve Regina? I can't find anything on the web, but I'm willing to bet that the First Circuit did a full "de novo" review, and came to the conclusion that the District Court got it right anyways.

By the way, I think there is some consistency between the two cases. The Court in Salve Regina opted to send the case to the Circuit Court for it to do its de novo review. If Erie really means that all courts have equal access to state law, then I don't see any reason why the Supremes could not have just resolved Salve Regina on its own, and spared the lower courts the burden of a remand.

If I'm right about the result on remand, then all the Salve Regina case means is that there are certain taboo words that the Circuit Court must not utter when performing its incantations over unsettled state law.
12.6.2007 10:07pm
Christina:
Oh man, I really hope I am not given a hypo like this on my upcoming civpro exam...
12.6.2007 11:25pm
Christina:
Anerson -
What do you mean by Circuit Court opinions are generally made by 2 judges?


Duffy -
I'm now also trying to find out what happened on remand - it went back to 1st circuit appeals court - here's the website to search published opinions. http://www.ca1.uscourts.gov/opinions/main.php I'm not coming up with anything...

I thought this was kind of funny: 501 U.S. 1203
12.6.2007 11:56pm
JonC:
Duffy: your suspicion is correct. The 1st Circuit on remand did in fact decide that the district court was correct.

We hold, having now reviewed the matter de novo, that the Rhode Island Supreme Court would have applied the doctrine of substantial performance to the contract dispute involved in this case. Accordingly, we reinstate our prior judgment affirming the judgment of the district court. Our previous opinion . . . is reinstated as modified by our de novo analysis of Rhode Island state contract law but is reinstated in its entirety in all other respects.

I'm not sure if the opinion is available online, but the official cite is Russell v. Salve Regina College, 938 F.2d 315.
12.7.2007 12:07am
Duffy Pratt (mail):
Christina:

I think he means that it takes two judges to make a majority on the Circuit Court. Nothing mysterious there.

Before I asked about remands I checked the first circuit site and came up with nothing. JonC, thanks for digging up the result.

Now, just think of the number of billable hours that were involved in the preparation for the S.Ct. argument, and then for the remand. What a waste, all so Blackmun could say that the Circuit Court said "abracadabra" when they should have said "presto chango". Does anyone seriously think that this opinion has ever had an impact on the outcome of any case at all, now that we've established that it didn't even have an impact on its own outcome?
12.7.2007 12:36am
DanG:
There are really (at least) two distinct questions:

1) Should a circuit court defer to district court rulings (within the circuit) on state law (for states within the circuit? E.g., should the Ninth Circuit defer to the N.D. Cal.'s interpretation of California law?

2) Should circuit court X defer to circuit court Y's rulings, or district court rulings from within circuit Y, on state law for states within circuit Y? E.g., should the Second Circuit defer to the Ninth Circuit's (or the N.D. Cal.'s) interpretations of California law?

I think the argument that the answer is "yes" is stronger for the second question than the first. Judges on the Ninth Circuit or the district courts within California see many more cases involving California law, and are more likely to have practiced in front of, or served on the bench in, California state courts, as compared to judges on the Second Circuit who may see one case involving California law once in a blue moon. What do people think?
12.7.2007 11:28am
Tony Tutins (mail):
Discretion over which issues of law to review would seem to be a subset of the discretion the USSC has over which cases to take; in either situation when the USSC is satisfied with the lower courts' judgment, it leaves the decisions undisturbed. All the Court is saying, it seems to me, is that up to now, Circuit Court review of District Court interpretations of state law have always been satisfactory to the USSC, because the USSC merely stated it is their custom is to defer to circuit court judgments about state law. They're not saying they will always defer to such judgments. One review of the district courts' interpretation of state law, by the circuit court, has been sufficient for the purposes of justice.
12.7.2007 11:42am
Displaced Midwesterner (mail):
I find the Supreme Court's notion in Russell that District Courts will lack the time and legal firepower to adequately tackle novel state law issues rather suspect. Appellate judges are more likely to not be from the state in question, to have never had significant state law experience, and to have clerks who come from a national law school where state law is a virtual unknown. District Court judges by contrast will likely have been practitioners or judges in their state and to have either permanent clerks that are lawyers from that state or term clerks who are the top students from the local state law school. As for time, they are likely to devote a considerable amount of it to a novel legal issue, and perhaps even view it as as a welcome respite from several successive afternoons of sentencings.

As for issues of uniformity, the rule would be very sensible if it were to require deference to a District Court in the state whose law is in question, but not otherwise. When splits among judges, or between districts in multi-district states arose, the Appeals Courts could then exercise de novo review in the name of uniformity since there would be no single definite decision to defer to. The issue of District Court rulings with binding value does not seem very problematic as it is a rule of custom, not an absolute binding rule.
12.8.2007 1:54am