The Volokh Conspiracy

A Working Definition of Terrorism.

My colleague at the University of Utah College of Law, Amos Guiora, has just posted this very interesting paper on the appropriate definition of "terrorism." Here's the main point:

"The recommended definition captures the core elements of terrorism in clear and concise language. In reviewing scholarship and terrorists' writings, the overwhelming impression is that causing harm (physical or psychological) to the innocent civilian population is the central characteristic of terrorist action. The available literature articulates that harming civilians is the most effective manner from the terrorist mindset to effectuate their goals."

Guiora goes on to argue that, without a clear definition of terrorism, we won't take appropriate countermeasures. In particular, we need to understand that terrorism intends to disrupt daily life, and that effective counterterrorism measures will have to be based on that fact.

Dilan Esper (mail) (www):
I'm all for a clear definition of terrorism. The problem is when you actually get down to brass tacks, it becomes very difficult to distinguish tactics that are conventionally "terrorist" from things that military powers do as part of waging war. (Basically, when you are talking about bombing from the air, on civilian populations, with bombs that are certain to cause damage far beyond the point of impact, where the actual objective is to scare the population into submission rather than to destroy the military target, you get within just about any useful definition of terrorism. And if you don't get there, it's only by drawing truly artificial distinctions-- did the moral calculus of the atomic bombings in Japan depend on whether the nominal target of the bombing was a military building or a civilian one?)

Further, it requires that we recognize that some of the things that terrorists do aren't "terrorism", because they target legitimate military targets. For instance, the USS Cole attack or many attacks on US servicemembers in Iraq aren't likely going to fall within any useful definition of terrorism.

So while I'm all for the project, I doubt it will ever take hold. People tend to be committed to the idea that tactics used by large organzied militaries can never be "terrorist" and tactics used by guerillas, irregulars, and suicide bombers are always "terrorist". It's extremely hard to convince them otherwise.
1.31.2008 11:14pm
swg:
I read his longer abstract at SSRN, and maybe I'm missing something because I didn't read the whole article, but it doesn't seem like there's much novel about that definition or his explanation for it, at least such that his ideas can overcome the current lack of consensus.
2.1.2008 12:26am
Bill Poser (mail) (www):
I'm not sure that there is as much confusion as there seems to be, once you discount special interests. If you look at the definitions used by human rights groups, they are pretty much what Guiora proposes, which I agree is the right idea. States of course want to exempt themselves, so they tend to restrict the definition to non-state actors. That is what the US code does, for example. Virtually all Muslim countries and organizations exempt the "defense of Islam" and consider terrorism justified if the goal is one they support.

I'm not persuaded that anyone seriously considering the question actually thinks that any military action by non-state actors constitutes terrorism. I think what we see there is the view taken by lay people and politicians in reaction to attacks against their own forces. Note, for example, that in the United States the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor is routinely described as an atrocity. Of course, it was in the sense in which war is always an atrocity, but as a matter of law, it wasn't an atrocity at all: it was a legitimate attack on military installations. (It was probably also not in violation of the requirement to declare war before attacking - legally the United States and Japan were arguably already in a state of war due to the US support for the Chinese against the Japanese.)
2.1.2008 12:38am
Patrick McKenzie (mail):
It seems to me that defining combatting development issues as counterterrorism, per-se, is a policy disagreement which one is attempting to define the opposition out of being able to raise. It is also a policy disagreement which is empirically denied by the facts: terrorism is not primarily associated with economic underdevelopment.

(Why do we have so many rich Saudis doing it, and not nearly as many poor Africans despite the relative numerical relationship between the two? Did Aum Shinrikyo lack for money? Does the IRA?)
2.1.2008 5:24am
dearieme:
If you want a clear definition use good English. "Effectuate", indeed; "articulates" is pretty dreadful too. It may be that English is not Mr Guiora's mother tongue, but in that case he's presumably learning from the drivel served up by native speakers. Shame on them.
2.1.2008 5:34am
pireader (mail):
Professor Cassell -

Perhaps you could point out more specifically what you see in the article that's new and valuable, because I didn't see much.

Guiora documents a (selective) sample of the intellectual contortions and political posturing involved in past attempts to define "terrorism". But he doesn't really make things any clearer.

Frankly, I suspect that he's on a snipe hunt ... that the concept so hard to pin down because it's a boo-word, not a descriptive category. But people keep on trying anyway, because the term "terrorism" has emotional power. So they endlessly formulate convoluted definitions that let them tar their enemies with it and avoid being tarred by it.

Here's a simple test. If the term is an objective description of a phenomenon, then it ought describe (some) people we like as well as (some) people we don't. But have you ever heard anybody describe a movement, person or action that he supports as "terrorist"? Neither have I.
2.1.2008 7:02am
Ralph Phelan (mail):
States of course want to exempt themselves, so they tend to restrict the definition to non-state actors.

The best succint description I've been able to come up with is "war crimes committed by non-state actors."

And nobody is ever going to come up with a sensible definition of "terrorism" that will be acceptable to the Iranian government, because they're never going to admit that by any sensible definition they're sponsors of terrorism.
2.1.2008 7:30am
PersonFromPorlock:
If counterterrorism is a source of spending authority, 'terrorism' will be anything various government agencies can claim it is... and government agencies in search of budgets don't blush easily.

Guiora's definition seems accurate enough, if conventional; it's not going to make much difference in how things work, though.
2.1.2008 7:37am
TechieLaw (mail) (www):

For another definition, see Cyrille Begorre-Bret, The Definition of Terrorism and the Challenge of Relativism, 27 Cardozo L. Rev 1987 (2006). It's somewhat philosophical (and the author's first language clearly isn't English), but it makes some good points. In short, Begorre-Bret's definition is along the lines of: (1) violence, (2) political in nature, (3) psychologically frightening in a way that reduces freedom, (4) does not discriminate between combatants and non-combatants (innocent civilians).

One problem I have with Guiora's definition is that he limits terrorism to something that affects "daily life" -- possibly via daily attacks; therefore he excludes events such as 9/11. While perhaps *one* type of terrorism is of the type currently plaguing Iraq and that plagued Israel in recent years (continuous small attacks that make people afraid to go shopping), I think it's incorrect to exclude events like 9/11, the subway bombings in the UK, and the Spanish train station attack. These don't fit into Guiora's "daily life" requirement, but they do fit into Begorre-Bret's since they cause psychological fear and result in a loss of freedom.
2.1.2008 7:51am
TruePath (mail) (www):

Acts of politically based violence aimed at innocent civilians with the intent to cause physical harm, including death, and/or conducting psychological warfare against a population aimed at intimidating it from conducting its daily life in a normal fashion.




Yah, this definition clearly gets it wrong when you consider things like aerial bombardment during WWII. Now we can argue about whether it was aimed at innocent civilians with the intent to kill them but there was certainly allied bombing with the intent to disrupt the economic power of germany (and japan probably too) which is exactly disrupting it from conducting it's daily life in a normal fashion.

Heck there is absolutely no way that the A-bombs dropped on Japan were not aimed at killing innocent civilians AND intended to engage in psychological warfare. I mean after all that was one of the reasons to leave those cities untouched to scare people with the power of the A-bomb.
2.1.2008 8:01am
TruePath (mail) (www):
Frankly, I think most of these attempts to define terrorism fail because they want their definition to serve other ends. The truth is that terrorism doesn't have too much to do with what sort of target is attacked (Beirut was a terrorist attack even though it was a military barracks) and much more to do with the attack being carried out either by a sufficiently small (non-military/serious rebellion) group or in a hands off way by an intelligence service and our disapproval of their goals and aims.

The problem with trying to give an actually correct definition is twofold. First it doesn't look very pretty and suggests the whole project might be pointless (which it is). More importantly it reveals the fact that one can't show something is bad by proving it to be terrorism. Terrorism as used in natural language already requires that you think the people doing the terrorism aren't justified in their response.

I mean if Jews during WWII had deployed the same tactics against germany as the IRA or other terrorists groups have we probably would call them freedom fighters. The reason is that we think this level of violence is a justifiable response to what was happening to them and they had no other similarly effective tool. However, once we admit that the moral judgement is required to call something terrorism we can no longer use the definition on it's own to settle moral questions about various groups.
2.1.2008 8:10am
rarango (mail):
I don't think Professor Guiora has blazed any new trails here. As others have noted, it does seem important to define terrorism in terms of non-state actors; this caveat, however, doesnt let state actors off the hook, however, as state actors can certainly apply terrorism as a tactic to their own populations (Khymer Rouge eg) or other populations during warfare.
2.1.2008 8:18am
Ken Arromdee:
The best succint description I've been able to come up with is "war crimes committed by non-state actors."

I think that's a good one, and it does cover cases like suicide bombings on troops in Iraq.

I don't really understand the objection to adding "non-state actors" to the definition. If you wanted a useful definition "kidnapping", for instance, surely you'd stick something into your definition which says that a state locking up someone for a crime is not kidnapping, but me doing the same thing is. You might say that a state locking someone without a trial is kidnapping, but you'd give the state deference that the single person doesn't--if I lock you up it doesn't *matter* if I tried you first.

Or most of us don't consider all wars to be murder. But a random guy off the street who shoots a police officer for no reason is a murderer, and he can't justify himself by saying the police officer counts as a military target or that he'd declared war.

If the term is an objective description of a phenomenon, then it ought describe (some) people we like as well as (some) people we don't.

That doesn't make sense. For example, I've yet to see the term "murderer" describe someone I like; any cases where I'd accept a killing (self-defense, war, etc.) won't be defined as murder.
2.1.2008 8:36am
rarango (mail):
Seems to me the use of non-state actor is important in terms of rights of combatants/terrorists/state actors under Geneva Conventions. War crimes tribunals can be used to punish state actors; other legal remedies would apply to non-state actors. Just my .02
2.1.2008 8:47am
Adam J:
Ken Arromdee- the objection to adding "non-state actors" is because it's an absurd attempt to claim that when state actors target innocent civilians its a-okay. However aerial bombardment of Germany and the a-bomb weren't acts of terrorism under this definition, because there's the civilian populations of Germany and Japan were complicit in the act of war against the US, and thus not "innocent".
2.1.2008 8:53am
MDJD2B (mail):

Ken Arromdee- the objection to adding "non-state actors" is because it's an absurd attempt to claim that when state actors target innocent civilians its a-okay. However aerial bombardment of Germany and the a-bomb weren't acts of terrorism under this definition, because there's the civilian populations of Germany and Japan were complicit in the act of war against the US, and thus not "innocent".

Whether these bombardments were innocent or not, they were not terrorism. If atrocities are committed by state actors (and I make no judgments here about our conduct of WWII), there are different remedies than if committed by non-state actors. You can, ofr example, wage war on the state, go after assets of the state and its citizens, etc.

That is not possible with acts committed by the IRA or al-Qaeda.

So the limitation of the ter to non-state actors preserves the emaningfulness of the term.
2.1.2008 9:02am
rarango (mail):
Adam J: wouldn't war crimes tribunals be the appropriate rememdy? and would that resolve your concern?
2.1.2008 9:03am
Ralph Phelan (mail):
Adam J:
Ken Arromdee- the objection to adding "non-state actors" is because it's an absurd attempt to claim that when state actors target innocent civilians its a-okay.

Huh? War crimes are a-okay?

Talking about this is already rendered difficult by the implicit assumption that "terrorism" is by definition evil and therefore you don't want to notice when people whose overall goals you agree with are using terroristic methods.

You're turning it around and implictly assuming that all evils should be called "terrorism," in which case the words become synonyms.
2.1.2008 9:07am
TruePath (mail) (www):
Adam J:

Yup, there are many ways to be evil without being a terrorist. I think it's exactly this sort of fallacy which causes people to propose poor definitions like the one we saw in this paper. People want a definition that lets them criticize not one that actually describes how the term is used.

I mean whenever I see someone try and define something like terrorism, god, rape etc.. I get very sucpiscious. That's because it's so easy to bait and switch using the definition to establish something and then the common associations to draw out a conclusion. There is no real point served by defining words like terrorism since an adequate definition could just be used in the argument in place of the word. In other words if the argument doesn't go through unless it is 'terrorism' that is being defined not some arbitrary concept something is fishy.
2.1.2008 9:08am
Jeremy Pierce (mail) (www):
It can't be just harm. It has to include threatened harm. Someone who threatens to blow up the Empire State Building if you don't fork over $1 billion is clearly engaging in terrorism, even if they never blow it up.

It also can't be restricted just to harm to civilians. It's terrorism if you plant a bomb in the office of a high-ranking officer.

You also need to factor in things like eco-terrorism, which is indeed terrorism. It's no direct harm to civilians if you blockade a road that foresters need to use to cut down trees, but it's still terrorism. I suppose if you have a sufficiently broad understanding of what counts as harm, then you're ok, but it's not intuitively the best way to get at it.

Haig Khatchadourian's The Morality of Terrorism opens with a very nice discussion of how to define 'terrorism'. He distinguishes between predatory, retaliatory, political, and moral/religious terrorism in terms of the motives, but all have one thing in common: there are immediate victims and a separate real target. There are lots of uses of coercion or force that aren't terrorism. What makes it terrorism is that the intended effect on the primary target is accomplished indirectly by doing something to an immediate victim who isn't the primary target. You do or threaten something to loves ones, civilians, a structure, and so on in order to get someone else to do something.

The relevant section is also reprinted in the first two editions of James E. White's Contemporary Moral Problems: War and Terrorism. (I'm not sure why he removed it from the third edition, but it has pieces that don't strike me as being quite as insightful on this question.)
2.1.2008 9:19am
Guest101:
This definition would seem to overlook the pressing issue of libel terrorism.
2.1.2008 10:05am
Mark Field (mail):

it does seem important to define terrorism in terms of non-state actors


I just don't get this. If we exempt state actors, we let Stalin and Robespierre off the hook. Not only is that wrong, it ignores the very origin of the word as applied specifically to state action.
2.1.2008 10:09am
Elliot Reed (mail):
TruePath—that hypothetical about a Jewish anti-Nazi resistance that used the IRA's tactics is a really good example. I had been unsure about this point before, but now I'm thoroughly convinced that labeling something as "terrorism" has a lot to do with whether we approve of their goals and aims.

Jeremy—I strongly disagree with the people who want to label ecological protesters as "terrorists". I cannot support their methods, but putting people who commit property damage and block roads (and make a point of doing it all non-violently, except insofar as we sometimes call property damage "violent") in the same category as people like Palestinian suicide bombers who deliberately kill and maim large numbers of innocent civilians in order to inspire fear in the population is a really severe moral category error.
2.1.2008 10:10am
rarango (mail):
Mark Field: as others have suggested, restricting terrorism to non-state actors does not mean that state actors are free to use terrorist tactics as your good examples indicate. Terrorist tactics used by state actors perhaps should be labelled crimes against humanity or some other construct--but I don't think anyone is arguing that state actors who use terrorism get a pass.
2.1.2008 10:36am
Aaron:
At the risk of sounding provocative, wouldn't Ralph Phelan's definition of terrorism exempt the 9/11 attacks? The Pentagon is clearly a military target, and the WTC was an attack on an industrial (finance) target - commerce raiding writ large. That there were large civilian casualties could be explained as collateral damage - unfortunate but necessary to achieve the military aims, and Al-Q had already declared war on us several years prior.

I agree with True Path- the very term "terrorism" has implicit in it a subjective disapproval of the aims of the acts. It really does boil down to "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."
2.1.2008 10:39am
Aaron:
TO clarify - the 9/11 attacks could be defended as not being "war crimes" within the meaning of Geneva, or CIL, hence, they could not constitute acts of terrorism.
2.1.2008 10:41am
Bob from Ohio (mail):
Would not seizing civilian airplanes make 9/11 a war crime per se?
2.1.2008 10:57am
Adam J:
Ralph - If states commit the same conduct as terrorists- targetting of innocent civilians- why shouldn't they be compared to non-state actors and be given the same label? I think that the state/non-state actor distinction is a distinction without a difference- they're no more or less culpable, and they are committing the same act.
2.1.2008 11:01am
M.:
Perhaps the difference between state and non-state actors is as follows: If a state actor commits such an act against you, it's obvious that you can retaliate through war. If the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were attacked by Canadian bomber aircraft, we could retaliate by declaring war against Canada. But if a non-state actor, allegedly not controlled by any nation, commits the act, it's not clear how exactly a traditional war against that actor could work (a military attack against that actor's assets is also an attack against the country they are located in) and so we have a different kind of situation.
2.1.2008 11:32am
JG:

if a non-state actor, allegedly not controlled by any nation, commits the act, it's not clear how exactly a traditional war against that actor could work



Nicely sums up the last 6 years. . .
2.1.2008 11:50am
Brian K (mail):
I don't see why the definition of terrorism should be based on what remedies we have available to us. It should be defined according to the action, the motive and the type of harm done. Why should there be any difference between country X bombing a restaurant purposefully to kill civilians and person Y doing the bombing. Then end result is the same in both cases.

Also, by defining terrorism only in terms of non-state actors, you lose the ability to say that country Z supports terrorism. or you have to twist the definition of state actor into something that doesn't make much sense.
2.1.2008 11:55am
PLR:
Ralph - If states commit the same conduct as terrorists- targetting of innocent civilians- why shouldn't they be compared to non-state actors and be given the same label? I think that the state/non-state actor distinction is a distinction without a difference- they're no more or less culpable, and they are committing the same act.

The absurdity of that comment is easily demonstrated using long established principles:

Dropping bombs from great heights with expensive aircraft: not terrorism

Leaving homemade bombs at curbside: terrorism.

Launching expensive guided rockets with an expensive delivery system toward a distant target: not terrorism.

Launching cheap unguided rockets with cheap portable launcher toward a distant target: terrorism.

Depositing hundreds of U.S. manufactured cluster bombs in civilian areas, if done by person in military uniform: not terrorism.

Planting one remotely triggered bomb in a civilian area, if done by a person not in military uniform: terrorism.

* * *

I trust the differences are readily apparent.
2.1.2008 12:03pm
PersonFromPorlock:
Now that I think about it, didn't Janet Reno say that the tear gas attack at Waco was directed against the children (for whom gas masks were not available) in order to pressure their parents into surrendering? Talk about 'terrorism'....
2.1.2008 12:14pm
rarango (mail):
PLR: well, actually I think they are quite easily distinguished: one is called warfare, the other terrorism--Now I will certainly grant you the end results for the person on the receiving end of the weapons are the same. But I would suggest that should not be the criterion to evaluate why the weapons are being used in the first place.
2.1.2008 12:36pm
Mark Field (mail):

as others have suggested, restricting terrorism to non-state actors does not mean that state actors are free to use terrorist tactics as your good examples indicate.


Of course it doesn't. My point, though, is that historically the term "terrorism" was applied to state actors; indeed, it originated that way. It seems pretty odd to change the term now.

That's especially the case when we consider some problems with exempting state actors. You say there are other remedies. So there are when the tactic is used by one state against another. But what about when it is used by a state against its own people (as was in fact the case with both Robespierre and Stalin)? What's the remedy then, revolution? Remember, too, that both Robespierre and Trotsky were explicit in justifying terrorism against their own people and frankly labeled it as such. Again, I ask, "Why should we exempt them from the label?"
2.1.2008 12:40pm
Temp Guest (mail):
This is an area where I do have some expertise. I was a consultant to a federal government agency on some terrorist issues and amongst other things this involved reviewing and attempting to reconcile available definitions of terrorism.

This definition is awful. Military and government agents are often the target of terrorist operations, e.g., ETA in Spain, the IRA in the UK, and Hamas and Hizbola in the Middle East. Terrorism is often state-sponsored. This is the norm in the Middle East.

If I had immediate access to some available definitions produced by, e.g., the FBI, Brookings, the 9/11 Commission, etc. or the time to do an Internet search, I'd post them so readers could get a better idea of what's out there. Readers can seek these out for themselves via Google.

My sense is Guiora didn't do his homework before he prepared this document. If he had he might have realized he had nothing to add and might not have bothered.
2.1.2008 12:55pm
Mike Keenan:
This is a disappointing definition. But, whatever the definition, it surely includes today's atrocity:

BAGHDAD — Remote-controlled explosives strapped to two mentally retarded women detonated in a coordinated attack on Baghdad pet bazaars today, police and Iraqi officials said, killing at least 73 people in the deadliest day since the U.S. sent 30,000 extra troops to the capital this spring.

If there is any gray scale to terrorism, this surely is as black as it gets.
2.1.2008 1:26pm
Adam J:
Temp Guest- Gee, thanks for clearing that up- so basically you're an expert and whatever you say is terrorism is terrorism... brilliant. Nevermind the clear moral difference between an attack of a military target of a non-military target, or even a distinction between state and non-state actions- let's just have terrorism be whatever kinds of combat you are opposed to.
2.1.2008 1:27pm
Adam J:
Mike Keenan- agreed
2.1.2008 1:27pm
Adam J:
by the way Temp Guest- you might want to read Guiora's CV before claiming he hasn't done his homework. He was director of the institute for global security law and policy at case western for three years, written a plethora of articles on terrorism as well as served in very senior positions at the Judge Advocate Corp for IDF (for 18 years!). Can you claim the same level of expertise?
2.1.2008 1:40pm
Cousin Dave (mail):
I think the difference is to look at the traditional goals of states engaging in warfare vs. the goals of the people we define as terrorists. What is the worst thing that a powerful entity (state or non-state) can do to people? In the 20th century, Western civilization more or less agreed that the worst thing that a powerful entity can do to people is to seek absolute control of their thoughts and opinions. It's the spectre Orwell raised of the ultimate unchecked power -- the power to pursuade large numbers of people to accept and believe in whatever the power wants them to.

With that in mind: When states engage in violence, the purpose is nearly always to either take territory or to defend territory. There have been a few historical exceptions, but when states seek territory, they care little about the beliefs of the people who live in that territory; they only care about the territory itself. Terrorists, on the other hand, have no realistic expectations of capturing, holding, or governing territory. (As Evidence A, I call out Hamas in Gaza -- if what they are doing can be said to be governing, in any sense of the word, then my Baptist aunt can be said to be the Pope.) The goal of a terrorist organization is to use violence against a group of people, who represent a particular school of thought, to pursuage others to self-censor and turn away from that school of thought. It's a crude but effective form of thought policing. They attack civilian populations because of what the attacked civilians symbolize (and because they are easy targets).

So from that perspective, was the firebombing of Dresden, or the A-bombing of Hiroshima and Nagisaki, terrorism? No, because the purpose of these bombings was to destroy the enemy's capacity to wage war, not to punish people for what they believed. True, many civilians got killed, but for the most part that was simply because they were in the way. Were the 9/11 attacks examples of terrorism? Yes, because the stated goal of the attackers is to force all Americans to convert to their brand of Islam -- out-and-out thought policing. (The Pentagon attack qualifies as terrorism because civilians in the hijacked airliner were used as part of the attack. If alQ had fired a missile at the Pentagon, then I think we could debate about whether or not that would qualify as terrorism.)

Was the Battle of Britian an act of terrorism by the Nazis? The Luftwaffe attacks, probably not. Accounts vary some, but by most accounts I've read, the purpose of the attacks was to harm morale to soften Britian up for a Nazi marine invasion. (It didn't work, obviously.) Were the later V-1 and V-2 attacks against London acts of terrorism? It could be said that they were, since it appears that the purpose was to punish Londoners for not converting to the Nazi cause; the attacks had little military value and there was no pretense that the V-1s/V-2s would in any way help advance the Nazi war effort. (This is backed by the name that Hitler gave the weapon; the "V" in V-1 and V-2 stands for a German word which translates as "vengence weapon".)

Note that there was a significant post-war effort in Germany and Japan to convince the population to turn away from Naziism and Japanese imperialism. However, these efforts were not carried out using military violence; they were carried out in the context of the victors' governing the conquered territories. Certainly, some people who resisted were punished and even executed, but this was because of acts they carried out, rather than because they refused to change their thoughts per se.

So, to sum it up, to meet this defintion of terrorism, two tests must be met:
1. The attack is aginst civilians from a given population.
2. There is a stated or implied threat against the remainder of the population to either submit to thought conversion, or face the same fate as those attacked.
2.1.2008 1:41pm
Temp Guest (mail):
Adam J: Let's skip the ad hominem arguments and arguments to authority (which you accuse me of and then make yourself). In my post I pointed out that every key point in Guiora's definition is contradicted by activities which are universally accepted as terrorist activities on the part of organizations which are universally considered terrorist organizations. To put it bluntly, a definition of a word which excludes a plurality of things which are universally acknowledged to be included within the meaning of the word sucks. An "expert" who produces such a definition should be embarassed, although it may be a consolation that he has loyal, albeit rhetorically deficient, friends to defend him.
2.1.2008 1:51pm
PLR:
PLR: well, actually I think they are quite easily distinguished: one is called warfare, the other terrorism...

I will exempt you from a begging the question charge, since I did not ask a question.
--Now I will certainly grant you the end results for the person on the receiving end of the weapons are the same. But I would suggest that should not be the criterion to evaluate why the weapons are being used in the first place.

Ah, the Big Picture. The bloody details will ultimately resolve themselves into an elegant portrait so long as evil does not triumph.

I'm off to look for a definition of evil.
2.1.2008 2:43pm
rarango (mail):
PLR: warfare and terrorism are both evil; both result in what you call "bloody details." I would suggest warfare is sometimes necessary whereas terrorism is never evil. YMMV.
2.1.2008 3:03pm
jasmindad:
There is no fact of the matter here -- whether a specific act is "terrorist" or not is not something pre-determined in the Platonic realm. So, the point of the definition should be in the context of why we wish to define. So, what's the purpose of the definition? That is, what are the operational consequences of going with one definition or another?
2.1.2008 4:15pm
Adam J:
What ad hominen argument?!? You were the one who claimed "authority", interesting how you are backing away from it now that you realize the professor who hadn't done his homework is pretty clearly far more knowledgeable then you about the subject. Then you make a completely ridiculous statement that what you claim was terrorism is universally accepted as terrorism. What you claim as terrorism is merely where a bunch of politicians have appropriated the word for political advantage- sometimes correctly, sometimes not- but clearly not universally accepted. Also, if you read the post you would notice he never distinguished based on state or non state actor- but merely defined it as attacks on innocent civilian populations. It seems a pretty logical definition, but if you want to make substantive criticism, I'd love to hear it. So far, you merely claim to have "expertise", and a backing of the a "plurality"- neither of which make for a particularly strong argument, even if you had evidence to back it up.
2.1.2008 4:26pm
Bender (mail):
Adam J: I'll let others compare our postings and decide who makes the better case. I have better things to do than quibble with a nitwit.
2.1.2008 5:20pm
Joshua:
Cousin Dave:
So, to sum it up, to meet this defintion of terrorism, two tests must be met:
1. The attack is against civilians from a given population.
2. There is a stated or implied threat against the remainder of the population to either submit to thought conversion, or face the same fate as those attacked.
I'm with Cousin Dave (more or less), although I would expand (1) above somewhat to include violence against a third party or otherwise neutral population for the purpose of intimidating the target population. This would include, for example, the violent protests against the Motoons across the Muslim world. Although the violence occurred far from Denmark itself, and no Danes were among those harmed/killed, it was clearly intended to frighten the Danish people into silence. One, the protests carried a strong implied (albeit thus far empty) threat that Denmark itself would soon be targeted. Two, the killings sent the message that even failing attacks in Denmark, innocent folks elsewhere would be made to suffer for the Danes' unwillingness to submit. And that's not even accounting for the knock-on intimidation effects in other countries, including the U.S. where most major newspapers refused to publish the Motoons, and a few even openly admitted it was out of fear for retaliatory violence.
2.1.2008 8:22pm
Adam J:
Bender now is it? I hope others do compare, and direct them to note how you falsely accuse me of ad hominem and then engage in it yourself. I also think I see your problem, you don't know what a definition is. You are trying to define something by showing examples (e.g., ETA in Spain, the IRA in the UK, and Hamas and Hizbola in the Middle East. Terrorism is often state-sponsored. This is the norm in the Middle East) but that's not pretty clearly not a definition. You don't define a car by showing a picture of an oldmobile, a model T, and a BMW. You define a car by claiming they all have certain characteristics in common- combustion engine, four wheels, etc. etc. You define terrorism by stating the criteria under which an act would qualify as terrorism (e.g. attacking a civilian population).
2.1.2008 10:50pm