The Volokh Conspiracy

Judges, Clerks, and Ideology:

When blogging my request for advice to soon-to-be law clerks, I forgot to mention this piece by my ex-boss, Judge Kozinski, and one of his ex-clerks, Fred Bernstein (whom I also know well): Clerkship Politics, from the Green Bag. I highly recommend it.

Archit (www):
I am surprised at Judge Kozinski's emphasis on the political disagreements. A vast majority of appellate decisions are unanimous. I would have guessed that makes more mundane differences between clerk and judge, like differences in writing style, more of an issue than political differences.
3.4.2008 1:16pm
tvk:
Sleeping 1000 hours in your clerkship year . . . . That is an average of less than three hours a day.
3.4.2008 1:45pm
interested party (mail):
I have a question about clerkships, and maybe it belongs here instead of the other thread. I have a government job, which I like, but does not involve much actual legal work. I am very interested in becoming a judicial clerk.

My impression is that most judges hire candidates right out of law school. Is this accurate? What is the chance that someone out of school for a few years could be successful in applying to some lower-level clerkships?
3.4.2008 1:50pm
Chris Newman (mail) (www):
Charles Atlas indeed. We all know he's really citing Frank-N-Furter.
3.4.2008 1:58pm
Justin (mail):
tvk beat me to the best line.
3.4.2008 1:59pm
Colin (mail):
Many judges prefer, and some will only hire, candidates who have been out of school for a few years. I know of both district and circuit court judges who work that way. Your school's career services department may be able to help you identify judges like that in the jurisdictions you're targeting.
3.4.2008 2:00pm
Chris Newman (mail) (www):
tvk's right--that's a bit of an exaggeration. Kozinski clerks actually get to sleep at least four or five solid hours a night.
3.4.2008 2:11pm
Anderson (mail):
I suppose state supreme courts are different, but I clerked for a very conservative justice and not once did we disagree about how a case should come out, despite my being a thoroughgoing liberal.

Partly this was just luck -- no cases on sex toys or parental consent for abortion -- but also I think because we were both mainly interested in figuring out the applicable law and applying it. That's 98% of what any appellate judge does, I suppose, and I don't think it matters for that whether one is conservative or liberal.

Now, if you're interested in rolling back certain precedents because of your conservative ideology, or because of your liberal ideology, I'm sure that would get you into trouble. But I am not terribly ideological where the law is concerned -- very little legal theory has much practical effect where judging is concerned.
3.4.2008 2:21pm
Anderson (mail):
Bernstein in the GB article comes off as horribly whiny, btw. You didn't want to clerk for a noted conservative, you didn't have to take the job, did you, fancy boy? And this:

But there were many more cases in which I worked hard to articulate and disseminate arguments that are antithetical to my own views. And I don’t think that’s something students should aspire to.

I call that "working for a living," myself. The whole point of being a lawyer is that I am advocating for someone else, and my beliefs aren't relevant. That's why I get paid for doing it, instead of working for the joy of giving.

Would Bernstein be happy to represent at trial one of the capital defendants he's so solicitous of, knowing perfectly well that the guy is in fact guilty, but hoping to get him off on a procedural bit? I bet procedure vs. merits would look a lot different then.
3.4.2008 2:31pm
John P. Lawyer (mail):
I don't think either Judge Kozinski or Mr. Bernstein come off very well in this article. Bernstein seems surprised by the fact that judges sometimes render decisions they may not personally agree with. He seems to confuse the role of advocacy with judging. Maybe this wasn't Bernstein's intent, but his naivete is remarkable.

(The one notable item I took from this "article" was Kozinski's comment about Reinhardt - if that's true, Reinhardt is an even more pathetic than I give him credit for)
3.4.2008 2:40pm
amcalabrese (www):
I clerked at the Tax Court. You would think there would be a lot of ideological issues there, but in reality there are not. The tax code is so complex that politics played no role.
3.4.2008 3:06pm
Duffy Pratt (mail):
It's a shame that political leanings seem to be on the forefront of both of their minds. There are cases, of course, where political leanings will come into play. But I think its a stretch to think that it would, or should, be dominant.

I've heard some private stories about the sorts of things that Kozinski expects of his clerks. It is by no means the worst I've heard (I know of one judge who made his clerks write college term papers for his daughter), but its not praiseworthy either.
3.4.2008 3:23pm
Cite Checker (mail):
Prof. Volokh,

Would you pass along to Judge Kozinski or the good people at Green Bag the fact that there's an error in the first footnote of the article? Specifically, Mitchell v. Prunty can be found at 107 F.3d 1337, not 101 F.3d 1337.

Thanks.
3.4.2008 3:41pm
bla bla:
"Specifically, Mitchell v. Prunty can be found at 107 F.3d 1337, not 101 F.3d 1337."

Yeah, be sure to pass that one on ...

My two cents: If you work for a really, really ideological judge, and your political persuasion is the opposite of theirs', it can be really frustrating. Most judges try not to inject their ideology into judging, so in most cases ideological differences wouldn't matter much. But there are some judges who let their personal beliefs influence their actions so thoroughly that working for them is just disheartening.
3.4.2008 3:49pm
Anderson (mail):
That was intentional, CC -- you have just won an interview with Judge Kozinski to be his next clerk!
3.4.2008 3:53pm
Patrick too (mail):
Having clerked at both the district and circuit level, I think that ideology plays a pretty important role in most decisions, but not in the way I would have expected and not necessarily in an overtly political way.

As other comments have noted, most cases are not overtly political, but this does not mean that judicial ideology does not influence the outcome.

Ideological differences regarding how a judge defines the issues involved and categorizes the factual record can often have a larger influence on the outcome of a case than does the judge's application of the law.

How often a judge denies summary judgment is one example. Although the summary judgment standard is presumably not in dispute, how it is applied can certainly vary. One judge may read the evidence presented narrowly and limit it to just want is identified in the briefs, another judge may have the clerks extensively comb the record and make inferences based on information not cited by the parties. Even if these judges apply the same law in all their cases, one would expect the former to deny summary judgment more often than the latter.

Considering that most cases are poorly litigated (especially by individual plaintiffs/criminal defendants), ideological differences on the role of judges can result in very real differences in the outcome of cases, even if judges of all ideological stripes essentially agrees on the applicable law.

In my experience, these sort of ideological differences on the proper role of a judge are much more likely to arise than disagreements on more traditional conservative vs. liberal political issues (since the latter category arise so infrequently).
3.4.2008 4:38pm
Duffy Pratt (mail):
Patrick too:

You are right of course about the summary judgment standard, and its not clear that the judges even have to be applying the same standard. In 99% of the cases, a denial of summary judgment is not reviewable. So, if a judge prefers to have cases go to trial, he can let them.

From what I saw, many of the judges were concerned with the size of their docket, and especially with the number of old (3+ years) cases. These judges were more likely to want to dispose of cases on summary judgment. I didn't see much correlation to political ideology here.

The judges who were more laid back about summary judgment, and their docket in general, tended to take the view that almost all the cases were likely to settle anyways, and the threat of a trial was just more likely to push the cases into settlement.

This of course has real world consequences, but I'm not sure that the judge's ideology had much to do with it.
3.4.2008 5:10pm
Joe Bingham (mail):
That article made clerking for J. Kozinski my 5-year life-goal.
3.4.2008 9:23pm
theobromophile (www):
Sleeping 1000 hours in your clerkship year . . . . That is an average of less than three hours a day.

That's one way to look at it. Alternatively, you only have 7,000 possible hours in which to clerk, and infinite hours post mortem in which to sleep.
3.4.2008 11:40pm