More Details on Network Solutions and the Dutch Anti-Islam Movie:

ComputerWorld reports:

Web hosting company Network Solutions LLC has suspended a Web site that a conservative Dutch politician wanted to use to release an anti-Quran video that critics are saying is extremely critical of Islam....

In a statement sent via e-mail, Network Solutions said that it was investigating a number of complaints that the Web site Fitnathemovie.com may have violated its guidelines on hate language. Network Solutions' acceptable use policy say that the company bans content "that is obscene, defamatory, libelous, unlawful, harassing, abusive, threatening, harmful, vulgar, constitutes an illegal threat, violates export control laws, hate propaganda, fraudulent material or fraudulent activity, invasive of privacy or publicity rights, profane, indecent or otherwise objectionable material of any kind or nature."

According to published reports, Wilders has said the 15-minute film describes Islam as "the enemy of freedom." ... Network Solutions said it has also asked Wilders if the company could review the film before it was loaded onto the site to determine if it violates its acceptable use policy. However, the company said Wilders has not responded to its requests, so, in the interim, it has suspended the Web site....

Note, by the way, that the Network Solutions Acceptable Use Policy begins by saying that it

delineates the relatively narrow range of uses of Network Solutions services that are contrary to Network Solutions' mission, generally because such uses either pose an unacceptable risk to the stability, integrity, or quality of Network Solutions' systems or the systems of its vendors, or harm (or threaten to harm) the rights and interests of third parties

but then goes on to ban, among other things, anything that is "vulgar, ... hate propaganda, ... profane, indecent or otherwise objectionable material of any kind or nature." I realize "relatively narrow" is a pretty vague term, but this doesn't seem "relatively narrow" to me; and it bespeaks a very broad view of what constitutes "an unacceptable risk to ... the rights and interests of third parties." (Of course, if Network Solutions is worried about violent retaliation against itself, that would indeed involve a high risk to their rights and interests; but I'm speaking here of the terms of the policy, and not the particular way it's being applied here.)

Brooks Lyman (mail):
...describes Islam as "the enemy of freedom."

That sounds pretty accurate to me, from what I know about Islam and the Quran.

Or, to be a bit kinder, there is no place for freedom as we know it in Islam, if one follows the Quran, the Hadith and Sharia.

It doesn't take much reading of any number of honest books on the subject to figure that out.

But I suppose Network Solutions doesn't like having fatwas issued against it, so they chickened out. Hard to blame them, but if all of our institutions here in the West - governmental and non-governmental - act the same way, we might as well just hand the keys of the White house to bin Laden and prepare for dhimmitude.
3.26.2008 7:20pm
Oren:
Doesn't a freely acting economic entity have the right to contract with whomever they chose? Stop criticizing their right to economic freedom!
3.26.2008 7:23pm
common sense (www):
The problem is the Network Solutions had certain monopoly powers granted as a domain registrar. Like other utility monopolies, that should open them up to certain standards of behavior, even under some liberalist theories. In this case, I think there is a question about what capacity they were operating in, and if they blur those lines, what responsibilities carry over from registrar to host.
3.26.2008 7:35pm
Fub:
common sense wrote at 3.26.2008 6:35pm:
In this case, I think there is a question about what capacity they were operating in, and if they blur those lines, what responsibilities carry over from registrar to host.



Agreed that fitnathemovie.com is registered with Network Solutions as registrar, and it is also hosted on Network Solutions' server. So Network Solutions is both registrar and host. They are apparently acting here in their capacity as host, not registrar.

Fitnathemovie.com's DNS entry has not been removed. The host just displays a page that says the site is suspended pending investigation for violation of AUP.
3.26.2008 7:47pm
DG:
Common Sense is entirely incorrect. There are numerous domain registrars at this point in history - hundreds. Network Solutions no longer holds the monopoly they once did. They are applying their AUP in their position as a web hosting provider, rather than a registrar in any case. In other words, they want to be selective about what materials they host on their own servers.

Hosting providers are free to host whichever web sites they wish and turn away those the don't, except as limited by law (i.e. anti-discrimination). You have no right to be published and they are not a public utility. Don't like it? Buy your own server and a high capacity Internet circuit, perhaps rent some colocation space, and be your own web hoster.

That all being said, I'm an advocate of free speech, as well as an industry analyst who covers the domain name and hosting industry. I've found that Server Central tends to be far more relaxed about what they host, as compared to NetSol, Rackspace, or GoDaddy. There are literally thousands of hosting providers, however, competition is stiff and prices are cheap. Its inconceivable that you won't be able to find someone to host any give (legal) content.
3.26.2008 7:49pm
DG:
One other point - utilizing a web hosting service for a high-bandwidth application like a 15 minute film, which is likely to get a lot of hits, is probably deeply foolish. They should host the page with a hosting provider, but put the film on a content delivery network (CDN). If not, their web page will likely get yanked for exceeding bandwidth limits within a few hours of the film's release.
3.26.2008 7:52pm
Brett:
And thus a molehill becomes a mountain.

Actually, "common sense", they don't have certain monopoly powers granted them as a domain registrar. Nowadays virtually anybody can go to ICAAN and become a domain registrar, and compete with Network Solutions.

Thus if Network Solutions' AUP sucks to the point that it permits Muslim whackjobs to define the range of speech permitted by Network Solutions users, then the proper response is to get a new domain registrar with a less-suckful AUP. Transferring a domain can be done in less than 24 hours, even making allowances for time spent whining.
3.26.2008 7:52pm
Arvin (mail) (www):
Doesn't a freely acting economic entity have the right to contract with whomever they chose? Stop criticizing their right to economic freedom!

Doesn't an American citizen have the right to criticize a freely acting economic entity? Stop criticizing their right to criticize!
3.26.2008 7:53pm
Jeff Shultz (mail):
And yet another good reason (the fact they are high priced is another) to use another registrar.
3.26.2008 7:56pm
Extraneus (mail):
When freedom of speech involves non-violent victims, everyone's a freedom-fighter. But the U.S. media exposed their shameful cowardice during the Muhammad-cartoon kerfuffle, and only one American MSM outlet (the Denver Post, was it, or the Rocky Mountain News?) had the guts to show the actual cartoons themselves, of which any non-interested viewing illustrates just how benign they actually were. Now we have Network Solutions acting like they'd never host a site which critisized a religion?

If it could be found that Network Solutions hosted an anti-Catholic or anti-Wiccan blog or other such site, could they be sued based on a religious discrimination claim?
3.26.2008 7:57pm
Not a Yank (mail):
Network Solutions problem is estrogen poisoning. First they said they would host the website then they declined citing potential violation of their acceptable use policy when nothing had been posted.

Network Solutions pussyed out. Network Solutions can make all the excuses they want to but it comes down to just one thing, lack of testosterone, no balls, chickensh*t management.

Not exactly the type of people I want running a company.
3.26.2008 7:57pm
Kevin Murphy:
"an unacceptable risk to ... the rights and interests of third parties."

You could pretty much bring down the entire internet with that criterion.
3.26.2008 8:17pm
Bill Poser (mail) (www):
If I had a film like that, I might well host it myself and avoid the problem. It isn't hard to set up a machine as a web host. Then just make the domain name point at that machine's IP address and purchase a network connection of sufficient bandwidth. If you can't afford a lot of bandwidth, set up a torrent to distribute the load. A politician can probably find a few friends to help set things up.
3.26.2008 8:41pm
TLB (mail) (www):
For technical reasons and also for reasons involving them supposedly snatching domains from people (webmasterworld.com/webmaster/3278499-2-30.htm), I strongly recommend against godaddy.

I don't know whether NetSol does it, but what you think is an independent company might in fact simply be a reseller and you might be subject to the underlying company's policies for either registration or hosting.
3.26.2008 8:48pm
wooga:
Ultimately the best way to distribute this would be through bittorrent, except that many ISPs deliberately break the connections of users using any bittorrent application (as Cox frequently did to me). For people stuck with that sort of IP, we are SOL unless some domain host grows a pair.
3.26.2008 9:06pm
common sense (www):
But Network Solutions gained a lot of their market share as a monopoly, so I think they still have obligations. I think the entire system should have been open from the beginning, but once a company accepts a head start in an industry its dangerous to let them go free without obligation.
3.26.2008 9:13pm
frankcross (mail):
From what I see, their global market share is less than 7%. So I don't think we need to worry about their past and the advantages of a head start.
3.26.2008 9:35pm
K Parker (mail):
Of course, if Network Solutions is worried about violent retaliation against itself...


Based on my history of trying to help customers get support from Network Solutions, I don't think they have anything to worry about--have you ever managed to talk to an actual person employed by the company? Me neither...
3.26.2008 9:54pm
Truth Seeker:
This is just more proof that terrorism works. When are Christians, Buddhists and Scientologists going to start blowing up things to get a little equal respect.
3.26.2008 10:36pm
Moral Hazard (mail):
I sent the following e-mail to the webmaster@networksolutions.com

<blockquote>
Subject: Offensive, please remove...

I was looking at your website today, and noticed a picture of a woman not wearing a hijab. Her face was completely exposed. I found this to be deeply offensive to my religious beliefs.

I expect that, following your company's precedent with Fitnathemovie.com you will immediately take down the networksolutions.com website and remove this offensive content.

Thank you for your prompt attention and respect for the religious beliefs of the Muslim community.
</blockquote>
3.26.2008 10:45pm
ithaqua (mail):
[T]here is no place for freedom as we know it in Islam, if one follows the Quran, the Hadith and Sharia.


Agreed.

When freedom of speech involves non-violent victims, everyone's a freedom-fighter.


Exactly so. Christianity is a genuine religion of peace, and so the Internet is awash with anti-Christian hatred valorized as 'free speech'. But speak out against Islam, the 'religion of peace' (note the quotemarks), and you're silenced or shunned as a hatemonger by all 'decent' (note quotemarks again) liberals. And that's not even mentioning what the Mohammedans themselves do.

But really, I believe, cowardice is just one part of it. It was rightly said of Jimmy Carter with regard to Islamic terrorism, "he's not anti-war, he's just on the other side." The same might be said of outspoken anti-Christians, like, for example, PZ Myers, (who, for all his faults, doesn't seem to be a coward). Given that Network Solutions is based in Virginia, and thus not particularly endangered by either Muslim fanaticism or Dutch law, and that it hosts web sites run by Islamic terrorists, it might be worthwhile to cast a skeptical eye on that company's true loyalties. Just a thought.
3.27.2008 12:41am
pmorem (mail):
My understanding is that Wilders had not, in fact, posted anything. I'm not even sure it exists. His website was suspended because of complaints about his public pronouncements made in other forums.

I believe the point of the exercise was to demonstrate the extent to which criticism of Islam is restricted, not any actual criticism. It's a hilarious piece of theatre.
3.27.2008 2:00am
Brian K (mail):
But speak out against Islam, the 'religion of peace' (note the quotemarks), and you're silenced or shunned as a hatemonger by all 'decent' (note quotemarks again) liberals.

funny...i don't see any liberals silencing you. are they all in your head?
3.27.2008 2:19am
pmorem (mail):
funny...i don't see any liberals silencing you. are they all in your head?

In the US, it's mostly only shunning and criticism. Mostly. CAIR and others have tried to use defamation suits.

Outside the US, ask Ezra Levant and Mark Steyn, among others.
3.27.2008 2:31am
Brian K (mail):
In the US, it's mostly only shunning and criticism.

is there something wrong with this? is criticism not an acceptable response to someone's stupid comment? what is wrong with choosing not to associate with someone you find offensive?

Outside the US, ask Ezra Levant and Mark Steyn, among others.

which liberals are trying to silence him/her? we are in the US afterall.
3.27.2008 3:35am
Thomas Stewart (mail):
Doesn't this sort of pre-emptive filtering of content based on theoretical offense cause a hosting provider to lose their safe harbor protections for hosting other offensive or illegal content? They can't claim they have no control over or approval of things that get posted online by their clients once they publicly defend a policy of requiring one of their clients to submit his content for pre-approval. Either they are completely hands off and only respond to actual claims of offensive content once the content is available using their services, or they are on the hook for every little bit since it must have somehow been approved even if only through inaction. After all, while they were blocking Fitna, Network Solutions was providing DNS services to Hezbollah, which is not only offensive but a violation of federal law.
3.27.2008 12:05pm
MnZ:

is there something wrong with this? is criticism not an acceptable response to someone's stupid comment? what is wrong with choosing not to associate with someone you find offensive?


Two words: Dixie Chicks.
3.27.2008 12:29pm
DG:
Common Sense: Network Solutions has no effective monopoly advantage at this point, nor even residual monopoly advantage. They have been eclipsed by other hosting and domain name providers. The market-based system for registrars has been very effective at leveling the playing field.

Thomas Stewart: No one should be forced to do business with someone they dont want to. Thats the antithesis of libertarian thought and leads to tyranny. If you don't agree with NetSol's actions, boycott them and publicly denounce them.
3.27.2008 1:11pm
martinned (mail) (www):
L.S.,

Update: The "movie" is now available on-line. (For the first time.)
3.27.2008 4:04pm
David Schwartz (mail):
Thomas Stewart: No. That's a myth that just won't die.
3.27.2008 4:33pm