Ambiguous Polling Question:
Starting in 1937, the Gallup Polling organization has run an occasional poll on U.S. attitudes towards the death penalty, Here's the main question Gallup asks:
Are you in favor of the death penalty for a person convicted of murder?
You can see a chart of the answer over time here. I find the question puzzling, though. Consider some of the possible interpretations. It could mean:
Are you in favor of the death penalty for every person convicted of murder?
Or,
Are you in favor of the death penalty for some people who are convicted of murder?
Or,
Are you in favor of the death penalty for people who commit particularly heinous murders?
Or,
Are you in favor of prosecutors having the option of seeking the death penalty for people who commit particularly heinous murders, if a jury first convicts and then agrees?
Obviously a poll question can't capture every nuance. And perhaps most people would answer all of these questions the same way. Still, Gallup's question strikes me as unusually unclear.
Marc :
Or,

Are you in favor of the death penalty for a person [you know] convicted of murder?
3.28.2008 12:24pm
pireader (mail):
In my experience, most survey questions are indeterminate--even those that ask purely factual questions ("In the past four weeks, what brand of laundry detergent did you use most often?"].

My advice to clients is that the data is usually only meaningful when comparing responses-over time, across brands, across demographic groups, etc.
3.28.2008 12:32pm
100 Middle Street:
That question is particularly problematic for someone like me, who's split on the issue. As an idea, I agree with the use of the death penalty. In pratice, I think the system screws up too often to confidently kill people.

So I have no idea how I'd answer Gallup's question.
3.28.2008 12:44pm
LTEC (mail) (www):
A subtlety that is almost always ignored when discussing the death penalty is: as opposed to what? For example, I would support life imprisonment without parole over execution, if I were given that choice. But one reason (I think) that Americans reinstated the death penalty is because they had no confidence that these criminals would otherwise stay in jail forever. Consider "Tookie". The people who protested his execution actually thought he deserved a Nobel prize! If those people had succeeded at saving his life, their next quest would have been to get him out of prison. In fact, these opponents of capital punishment are the best argument for it.
3.28.2008 12:46pm
Cato (mail):
I think it is not unusually unclear. It is usually unclear, in the way that every poll I have ever seen is unclear.
3.28.2008 12:47pm
Asher Steinberg (mail):
It seems to me that a better phrasing, at least if you just want to find out how many people are unconditionally opposed to the death penalty, would be to ask "are you ever in favor of the death penalty for a person committed of murder."
3.28.2008 12:47pm
Anderson (mail):
I don't find the question ambiguous at all -- it asks whether people who're convicted of murder should be executed.

The fact that we want to answer "sometimes" or "it depends" doesn't make the question ambiguous; it just makes it a bad question, one that turns a complex issue into "yes or no."
3.28.2008 12:47pm
Andrew Janssen (mail):

But one reason (I think) that Americans reinstated the death penalty is because they had no confidence that these criminals would otherwise stay in jail forever.


Hey, not all Americans share that opinion. In my home state, Wisconsin, we abolished the death penalty over 150 years ago, and haven't seen much reason to bring it back since. Even when we did have it, Wisconsin juries and judges were notorious for finding ways to avoid imposing it.

If that's a reason for supporting the death penalty, I'm surprised there aren't more Europeans in favor of it; a system where a life sentence works out to 14 years? What's up with that?
3.28.2008 12:51pm
DiverDan (mail):
It seems that a COMPETENT pollster (is there any such thing?) could get a much more nuanced result with two straight forward questions:

1. Are you in favor of the death penalty in any circumstance? Yes No

2. If you answered Yes, under what circumstances do you think a death penalty might be appropropriate; assume that a jury finds the defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, and further finds no mitigating factors that might make a death sentence inappropriate for that defendant? Please check all that apply:

a. A murder for hire?

b. A multiple murder?

c. Murder committed in the course of a violent crime,
such as kidnaping, rape, armed robbery or a home invasion?

d. Murder of a child?

e. Murder involving torture or extreme cruelty?

f. Rape of a child?

g. Rape involving torture or extreme cruelty?

h. All intentional murders?

i. All rapes?

j. Illegal drug trafficing that results in a death?

k. Other crimes not listed?
3.28.2008 12:52pm
Dave N (mail):
The question reminded me of a local radio talk show host who, on more than one occassion, stated, "Everyone who commits premeditated murder should be executed."

Each time I heard that I resisted the temptation to reach for my cellphone and say something like this:

"I am a death penalty prosecutor. I have been responsible for handling a dozen capital habeas corpus cases. I have argued capital cases on behalf of the State in front of both the state Supreme Court and the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. I have actually been at the state prison 6 times to witness executions. On one of those occassions, I literally stood next to the executioner as he performed his duties."

"I think I have earned my capital punishment bona fides. I also think your position is insane."

The Gallup question has the same infirmities as this talk show host's "Let's kill them all" belief. There has to be a way to save the death penalty for the worst of the worst, while also expediting the process to give closure to the victims' families. Frankly, I think 12 years after the adoption of the AEDPA and the ensuing caselaw on the issue, we will see the process speed up, but only slightly.

I remember very little of my bar review class (having been admitted 16 years ago) except for one snippet of USC Professor Charles Whitebread's lectures on criminal law.

I will paraphrase the professor, but I remember him saying that the Multistate will always have a criminal law question in one of two basic fact patterns:

In one, you have a loving couple, devoted to each other. The husband has an excruciating illness. The doctors are not helping. The drugs are not helping. The husband begs his wife to kill him to put him out of his misery. She refuses. He begs again, and again--and gets weaker and weaker and is in more and more pain--until finally, out of compassion, the wife takes a gun in the house and shoots her husband dead.

In the other, there is a predator, who has raped and murdered a small child. But despite what the dead child's family believes to be overwhelming evidence, the jury inexplicably finds the perpetrator "not guilty." As the perp leaves the courtroom, he stops by the grieving parents and says, "I killed him. And I will kill again."

The father, having heard this goes home, gets a weapon, tracks down this monster, and shoots him dead.

What are these two shooters guilty of? Murder.

Why? (to directly quote Professor Whitebread) "Because it's the bar exam."

I wonder, if these hypotheticals were real, whether this radio talk show host would really think either of these two murderers deserves the death penalty.

I know I don't. And that's the problem with the Gallup question. It is overinclusive--and even though I am a death penalty prosecutor, my response to the question would have to be, "Not in every case."
3.28.2008 1:15pm
Shivering Timbers (mail) (www):
There's no such thing as a perfect survey question, and often the value of being able to compare different surveys outweighs the imperfections of a particular question.

I often advise my clients that it's better to keep using the imperfect question they've always used, simply because they can compare the results over a long time. Of course it's possible to calibrate a new survey question against the old, but that effort is rarely worth it unless the old question is very deeply flawed.

In this case, the ambiguity of the question strikes me as fairly minor compared to the value of the uniquely long history. There aren't very many survey questions which have been asked over 70+ years, and switching at this point would require a lot of very careful recalibration to preserve the ability to compare today's survey against the results from the 1940's.
3.28.2008 1:16pm
Dave N (mail):
I agree with Shivering Timbers that this might be a good baseline question, but I also think that there can and should be followup questions to explore the nuances.

Looking at the polling data, I am was surprised at the 7 point jump in capital punishment support in between March and December, 1972, from 50-41 support in March to 57-32 support in December. I have no idea as to what would cause that kind of spike--but the result can hardly be described as an anomoly, given both prior and subsequent polling numbers.

I am too young to remember 1972 all that clearly, but for those with long memories, what changed in 8 months?
3.28.2008 1:27pm
JohnnyKish (mail):
LTEC @ 11:46 and Andrew Janssen @ 11:51 have idendified an important point for me:


But one reason (I think) that Americans reinstated the death penalty is because they had no confidence that these criminals would otherwise stay in jail forever
3.28.2008 1:31pm
ChrisIowa (mail):
The question is ambiguous, but the ambiguity is in what the reader reads into it. Part of what is being read into it reflects the controversies of the day, which would be part of what is being measured.

Unlike many polling questions the question is not leading. There is a danger in adding more specifics that the question would bias the answers.

I will agree that for the answers to be truly informative it does need follow up, but the questions in a meaningful follow up would not have been the same 30 years ago as they are today.
3.28.2008 1:33pm
John425:
This is like parsing ala Clinton and "it depends on the definition of is". Are you in favor of the death penaly for murders? PERIOD! What part about "is" don't you understand?
3.28.2008 1:45pm
Justin (mail):
I'm in favor of the death penalty for war crimes, crimes against humanity, and some forms of high treason. I'm undecided on the death penalty for people who commit murder while under a life sentence (either by breaking out of jail, while in jail, or by orchastrating the murder of another while in jail through a third party). I'm otherwise uniformly opposed to the death penalty. How do you think I should answer that question?

I'd probably say no.
3.28.2008 1:58pm
Kieran (mail) (www):
It's hard to write really good survey questions, and good survey researchers are in general aware of the shortcomings of questions like this. But one of the reasons that a poor or ambiguous question might persist, though, is precisely because it has been asked for a long time (e.g., back to 1937): to change the question would be to break the interpretability of a long time-series of responses to that question. Sometimes our interest in finding out -- even imperfectly -- how public opinion has changed in response to the same question will outweigh the desire to replace it with a more precise one.
3.28.2008 1:58pm
RV:
This is like parsing ala Clinton and "it depends on the definition of is". Are you in favor of the death penaly for murders? PERIOD! What part about "is" don't you understand?

No, because this question is actually very ambiguous, as Orin pointed out. The only thinking people who can answer the question with a simple yes or no are those who believe the death penalty should be given to all murderers and those who think the death penalty should never be given. Fortunately, I fall into one of those categories, but most people hold a more nuanced view.
3.28.2008 2:01pm
AF:
With opinion polls, neutral tone is as important as precision. The use of the word "heinous" would probably skew the results.

That said, it probably would be better to specify that the question is only referring to "some people who are convicted of murder."
3.28.2008 2:07pm
Chuck C (mail):
Dave N: I am too young to remember 1972 all that clearly, but for those with long memories, what changed in 8 months [to cause a ][7 point jump in capital punishment support in between March and December, 1972]

Furman v. Georgia [death penalty is cruel and unusual] was decided on June 29, 1972
3.28.2008 2:10pm
Matt P (mail):
Ah finally a reason to use my sociology undergrad...

The problem is that the question is phrased more for a Lickert scale type answer (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likert_scale ) but the respondent is given only a minimal nominal scale to answer on (i.e. yes, no). The result is not only a less valid indicator of support for the death penalty but a statistically less valuable answer. (I'd suspect the lack of specificity also would hurt reliability, but that's another issue).

This is the biggest problem with Gallup and most other polls used in popular politics -- they usually use statistical measures that offer very little insight into the topic studied. Its not as important that x% of y believe z -- what is meaningful is that there is x correlation between believers of z and the level of y. The best you can usually do with nominal measures is to control for some other factor, but its still not something that groups like Gallup usually do for anything other than gender, party, or race.
3.28.2008 2:26pm
PLR:
I don't find the question ambiguous at all -- it asks whether people who're convicted of murder should be executed.

That was my reaction also. The question seems designed to identify those who are philosophically opposed to the death penalty, such as myself, and those who are not.

I can easily answer no, and the number of people who answer no should generate a meaningful statistic.
3.28.2008 2:36pm
r78:
I think the most interesting result of the survey is how the "No Opinion" category has decreased fairly steadily over time?

Are people now just so much better informed on the issue than they were 50 years ago? Or do people no longer feel comfortable not having an opinion on something?
3.28.2008 2:38pm
Soronel Haetir (mail):
Dave N,

I would have to disagree with you on the appropriatness of disallowingexecution in your second example. Revenge seems like an entirely appropriate factor.

IOf course I would also say the first isn't even murder in the sense of unjustified killing. To use an even more extreme example in this vein I use the German cannibal case. The 'victim' volunteered to be killed and eaten, I cannot see even that as murder.
3.28.2008 2:39pm
Curious Passerby (mail):
But one reason (I think) that Americans reinstated the death penalty is because they had no confidence that these criminals would otherwise stay in jail forever

The biggest problem with life in prison being the maximum penalty, is what's to stop an inmate who's in fro life from killing another prisoner or a guard?
3.28.2008 2:51pm
Norman Yarvin (www):
The question doesn't seem ambiguous to me, if taken completely literally. It asks about "a person". So if the respondent thinks there is any one person convicted of murder who deserves death, he should answer yes. Of course common usage is much more slovenly than that; and questions in opinion polls should be framed in accordance with common usage, not according to the sort of strict parsing that only a computer programmer is likely to do. But even if the question were to be taken literally, this wouldn't be a bad way to ask it: if you think there is one person convicted of murder who deserves death, you almost certainly think there are more. Conversely, if it's not to be taken literally, then fine distinctions in the wording don't much matter: most people will ignore them and just assume that the question is the usual one of whether to eliminate capital punishment entirely. (Several commenters here have agreed that the question is ambiguous, but there hasn't been any debate about what the question really is intended to get at, so it's not that ambiguous.)
3.28.2008 2:54pm
c.f.w. (mail):
Another approach would be to mirror the common choice when all is said and done, after years of diligent and skillful habeas and appeals work - LWOPP (life without possibility of parole) versus death, given: (a) mentally defective defendant; (b) ineffective defense counsel; (c) prosecutor engaged in misconduct; (d) judge engaged in misconduct; (e) jury engaged in misconduct; (f) prosecutorial discretion was used in favor of capital proceedings based on nature of victim (eg white); and (g) police engaged in misconduct.

Given the procedural and substantive due process problems connected with the typical DP case, LWOPP is often a fine compromise.

LWOPP questions should be included in any DP attitudes survey that purports to be useful.
3.28.2008 2:55pm
Smokey:
What's the problem with the death penalty? It's not like the murderer is going to live forever, right? The State is simply readjusting his time remaining.

Also, the Catholic church [and many other churches] believe that it's wrong to execute even the most vile murderers. But why? If they believe what they teach, then someone on death row is in the best possible position: plenty of time for remorse and confession, then the fast track straight to heaven. Win-win. It's all good!
3.28.2008 3:00pm
DCP:
The ambiguity of the question is balanced out by its consistency. We may not get the most reliable data in a given year, but since it is the exact same question we get useful information for comparative purposes. In that aspect it is a useful baramoter of death penalty attitudes over time, whereas asking a different, and more nuanced, question each year would skew the data.

I think there are really two issues involved in this - one philosophical, the other practical. The first: do you believe imposing death as a punishment for the most serious crimes is morally justifiable? The second: do you trust the present government machinery to implement this policy fairly and effectively?

There's definitely some wiggle room for people who philosophically support the notion of capital punishment but do not like what they see in terms of its application.

I think the late 1972 spike mentioned by a previous poster illustrates this point. It was a backlash against the Supreme Court declaring the death penalty unconstitutional. While some polled may have had problems with the death penalty pre-1972, they were displeased with the Court's reaction.
3.28.2008 3:06pm
Dave N (mail):
Chuck C,

Thank you. For some reason I didn't think of the most obvious.
3.28.2008 3:31pm
PLR:
Ah finally a reason to use my sociology undergrad... The problem is that the question is phrased more for a Lickert scale type answer (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likert_scale ) but the respondent is given only a minimal nominal scale to answer on (i.e. yes, no). The result is not only a less valid indicator of support for the death penalty but a statistically less valuable answer. (I'd suspect the lack of specificity also would hurt reliability, but that's another issue).

Love the wonky stuff.

To elaborate on my previous post, I do think that the number of people who answer "no" generates a meaningful result. I agree with you that for people who respond with any answer other than no, little can be discerned from their responses given the nature of the question.
3.28.2008 3:50pm
WHOI Jacket:
And this is why I seriously distrust poll results of all kinds....
3.28.2008 4:20pm
BU2L:
The biggest problem with life in prison being the maximum penalty, is what's to stop an inmate who's in fro life from killing another prisoner or a guard?

The biggest problem with the death penalty being the maximum penalty, is what's to stop a murderer from going on a killing spree? What are you going to do, kill him twice?

The problem that exists with any maximum sentence is that once you give it out, you can't do anything more, regardless whether that sentence is death or life imprisonment.

I am pro-capital punishment, but only if it could be exercised without error. Seeing as that is unlikely, I think the state necessarily needs to err on the side of caution for any close capital case and opt for life imprisonment.

Just like cooking, if you add too little, you can add more later. If you kill right away, you can't correct that mistake if DNA reveals that you've killed the wrong guy.
3.28.2008 4:36pm
John Burgess (mail) (www):
Andrew Janssen: You statement presupposes that European laws actually reflect popular opinion.

In the UK--which has abolished the death penalty--surveys at least as recent as 1999 shows 70% in favor of reinstituting capital punishment.

That European law makers do not wish to create laws to reflect popular opinion may or may not be a good thing in this case. In the general case, I find that situation to be a good excuse to avoid reliance on European or European-based laws for the interpretation of US law.
3.28.2008 5:08pm
Cornellian (mail):
I doubt whether one could conduct a meaningful public opinion poll along the parsed, nuanced lines described in this post. People just don't have the time or patience to devote to a stranger phoning them up with questions that detailed. I'd rather have the simple, ambiguous question answered by nearly everone than a 5% response rate for the more detailed survey from a group that won't be representative anyway because only students and retirees have that kind of time on their hands.
3.28.2008 7:11pm
Catholic guy:
At 3.28.2008 2:00pm Smokey wrote:


Also, the Catholic church [and many other churches] believe that it's wrong to execute even the most vile murderers.


That's not quite right. I won't go into all the nuances, but basically, the Catholic Church still says that the death penalty is legitimate when necessary and when the bad doesn't outweigh the good. Then it goes on to say, with various qualifications, that the situation in the modern West is such that no case meets the test. But the death penalty is not taught as per se bad, and is not excluded for other places and other times. (In particular, the "other times" angle ensures that the Church can keep his teaching consistent with the last 2000 years of defending capital punishment -- the principle is still the same, but the application has changed.)

Also, the above are generally Catechism, i.e., binding teachings, but some of the stronger anti-penalty rhetoric came from John Paul II's personal (non-binding) writings.

Because the application of general principles to the American situation today is a matter of prudential judgment, Catholics may undoubtedly disagree with the conclusion as a matter of American policy, and still remain in good standing. So those who say that the Catholic Church is totally anti-death penalty, or that pro-death-penalty Catholics are defying their Church, are mistaken.
3.28.2008 7:12pm
hattio1:
I'm curious about the spike in support of 1972. Does anyone remember when Charlie Manson was active and/or going to trial?
3.28.2008 7:27pm
TechieLaw (mail) (www):
Here's another question:

How would the average American's interpretation of that question have changed since 1937? Would it have been understood to mean something different by most people back then?
3.28.2008 7:44pm
TechieLaw (mail) (www):
Dave N:

Unfortunately, because of the workings of the Internet, there's really no way for me to confirm that you are who and what you say you are.

However, assuming that you are in fact a prosecutor who has been involved in death penalty cases, well said.
3.28.2008 7:51pm
hattio1:
Looks like investigation and trial opf charles Manson were 1969 and 1970, from a quick look at Wikipedia. Strike that theory.
3.28.2008 7:52pm
Kent Scheidegger (mail) (www):
Andrew Janssen writes, "In my home state, Wisconsin, we abolished the death penalty over 150 years ago, and haven't seen much reason to bring it back since."

Excuse me, but didn't a referendum on that very question win quite handily in Wisconsin? Who is the "we" who don't see much reason to bring it back?

Gallup's base question is useful only for measuring relative changes in death penalty support over time, simply because they have been asking it so long. A much better question for measuring the position of people relevant to current controversy is one they have asked for only a few years -- whether the death penalty is used too often, not often enough, or about right.

The sum of not often enough and about right -- people who support the death penalty in its present extent or want it tougher -- has run consistently close to 75%.

More on public opinion is here at C&C.
3.28.2008 8:42pm
Sam Hall (mail):
In WWII, around 60% of the men in the U.S. Army were drafted. Some of those men died. We justified that by saying it was for the good of the country. I agree.

We should try very hard to see that people we put to death are guilty, but when a mistake happens, and it will, it can be justified the same way.

But, to be real value, it needs to be done quickly.
Thomas Jefferson had the right of it:

Whenever sentence of death shall have been pronounced against any person for treason or murder, execution shall be done on the next day but one after such sentence, unless it be Sunday, and then on the Monday following.

3.28.2008 9:42pm
Bryan Cornelius:
"We should try very hard to see that people we put to death are guilty, but when a mistake happens, and it will, it can be justified the same way."

That would be true if, in fact, there was some societal benefit to the death penalty.

(Which, there isn't.)

Here is a careful, nuanced analysis of public opinion towards the death penalty in the U.S. over the last two generations.

(And no, I am not the author(s)).
3.29.2008 12:16am
c0nst1tutional pr0n:
Of course, as Orin noted in an earlier post:

"Second, as a matter of constitutional law, a majority of readers think such a law [imposing the death penalty for the rape of a child] is constitutional. Specifically, 54% of readers think such laws are constitutional, 20% thinks they are unconstitutional, and 25% doesn't know. Of course, it's not quite clear what this measures, as I didn't specify if I was asking for views on constitutionality that are normative (what the Justices should do), descriptive (what existing law requires), or predictive (what the Justices will do)."

So he's obviously well aware of the difficulties with conducting opinion polls...
3.29.2008 12:26am
Elliot Reed (mail):
This question does is ambiguous, but ambiguity (and vagueness) is inevitable in human language. The more detail you add to a question in an effort to reduce ambiguity, the greater your chances of producing a highly slanted question by introducing unintended implications or connotations. It's usually better to stick to a simpler question anyway.
3.29.2008 1:43am
Dave N (mail):
TechieLaw:
Unfortunately, because of the workings of the Internet, there's really no way for me to confirm that you are who and what you say you are.
I fully respect that—though I do take people at their word. For example, Anderson claims to be a liberal attorney in Mississippi. I had always thought that "Mississippi" and "liberal" could not be used in the same sentence, let alone used to describe somone. For the most part, I still believe that "liberal Mississippian" is an oxymoron. But I believe he is what he he says he is.

Seriously, I blog semi-anonymously because the positions I take are my own—and do not necessarily reflect the views of the elected official who has the power to fire me without cause since I am exempt from civil service.

That said, I post here enough—and give enough "clues"— that someone without a life could probably unmask me. I have never lied on the VC even as I have masked, but I understand and respect your skepticism.

However, I would ask that you trust me. I am exactly who I say I am. Oh, and thanks for the compliment.
3.29.2008 1:57am
Litigator-London (mail):
On the subject of the death penalty in Europe:-

1. It is correct that the death penalty in Europe has been progressively eliminated from all states subscribing to the European Convention on Human Rights. Indeed the observer status of states such as the USA is only tolerated by way of waivers which are under attack.

2. It is equally true that European democracies are generally representative democracies where the legislators are ahead of public opinion. It is relatively easy to whip up public opinion to call for a return to executions - particularly after some particularly gruesome case -usually on the basis that incarceration is a "soft" option: "Prison is too good for these people" say blue-rinsed Tory matrons at party conference - also calling for a return to birching for juvenile delinquents.

3. In the UK we presently have a prescribed life sentence for murder. The judge fixes a minimum term 10-15-30 years and in extreme cases can be whole of life. Release on licence cannot be considered until that minimum terms is completed.

4. There is also a defence of "diminished responsibility" which, if successful, removes the need for any mandatory life sentence.

5. What has always struck me is that the appeals process regularly results in convictions being overturned - as does the subsequent fall back safeguard of our Criminal Cases Review Commission. For so long as there is the possibility of wrongful conviction, I do not see how the death penalty can ever be justified.
3.29.2008 3:17am
Public_Defender (mail):
Not every poll has to answer every question about an issue. As others have pointed out, this poll gives a measure of the strength of support for the death penalty over time. That's enough to justify its existence.

The public is dramatically ignorant of how death penalty cases really work. For example, I remember seeing surveys that asked what they think might mitigate against imposing the death penalty for any given murder. "Self defense" was the top answer. The lawyers reading this know that if you kill someone in self defense, it's not even a crime.
3.29.2008 7:58am
Elliot Reed (mail):
Public Defender—people really are distressingly ignorant of how government works in general. I remember a survey from a while back that listed five federal programs—defense, social security, medicare, food stamps, and foreign aid— and asked them to pick the two largest. If you know anything at all about the federal budget, you know that defense, social security, and medicare together comprise a large majority of the budget while food stamps and foreign aid are minuscule. Even if you weren't sure how big those three programs are relative to each other you should know that food stamps and foreign aid are wrong. My lexis skills are clearly In Need Of Improvement because I can't find the exact numbers now, but something around 30% picked food stamps and foreign aid anyway.
3.29.2008 11:58am
Dave N (mail):
It is equally true that European democracies are generally representative democracies where the legislators are ahead of public opinion.
In other words, elitists out of touch with their constituents. We Americans might, at times, think our elected representatives out of touch. Europeans like Litigator-London are actually proud of that fact.
3.29.2008 12:08pm
Elliot Reed (mail):
DaveN—thanks for making yourself a brilliant example of the way most people feel about how politicians should react public opinion. When a politician goes against public opinion to do something you approve of, that's taking a bold stand on principle. But when a politician goes against public opinion to do something you disapprove of, that shows they're an elitist who's out of touch with what their constituents think.
3.29.2008 12:28pm
Dave N (mail):
Elliot Reed,

Actually, I agree with Edmund Burke, "Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays instead of serving you if he sacrifices it to your opinion."

However, Burke is also quoted as saying, "In effect, to follow, not to force the public inclination; to give a direction, a form, a technical dress, and a specific sanction, to the general sense of the community, is the true end of legislature."

I tend to agree with the former more than the latter. That said, the arrogance of presuming that legislators are necessarily "ahead of public opinion" is astounding.
3.29.2008 1:43pm
Brian G (mail) (www):
What's so unclear about it? Perhaps you just don't like the results.

our hypos remind me of a B.C. comic strip I once saw, that was something close to this:

- "I'd like you to do a Presidential poll"
- "What results do you want?"
- "Huh?"
- I need to know so I can ask the right questions"
3.29.2008 4:44pm
Litigator-London (mail):
Dave N: I do not think our legislators are unaware of what the public thinks - we have public opinion polls and a free press,you know, as well as more informative TV than the USA enjoys. Most spend at last a day a week in their constituencies (districts). But they are elected and paid to exercise good judgment on such issues.

Quite apart from anything else public opinion can be manipulated - how else did George W. Bush get re-elected ?
3.29.2008 5:13pm
JunkYardLawDog (mail):
Maybe Gallop could get this poll published in some foreign legal treatise so some members of the Supreme Court might pay attention to it when looking for trends in thinking about the majority of USA citizens.

Says the "Dog"
3.29.2008 10:39pm
Bob in SeaTac (mail):
Litigator-London Quite apart from anything else public opinion can be manipulated - how else did George W. Bush get re-elected?

Don't you remember whom he ran against? Sometimes that makes re-election much easier.
3.29.2008 10:56pm
Don Meaker (mail):
"It is better for 10 innocents to be punished, than for one guilty man to go free."

Gene will recall that from his paper on 'n'.

I once explained to a friend why murderers should be put to death, while unborn lives should be protected. Murderers are guilty, while the unborn are innocent. This seemed to come as a revelation to him.
3.30.2008 12:01am
Richard Aubrey (mail):
"unusually unclear"?
I got a call asking if I trusted General Motors.

Trusted them to do what? For what? About what? No, said the caller, just, "do you trust them?"
I eventually declined to answer, it being a dumb question.

However, it is absolutely certain that the number of answers one way or another were used to demonstrate some absolute something or other.

Nuts.

How many polls on the public's view of Bush's conduct of the war ask if the individual being asked thinks it should be conducted far more actively and aggressively? Nope. Any answer other than "I think it's great!" is taken to mean opposition to the war.

I'd like to see a clear poll question, but my guess is that those commissioning the poll wouldn't want it.
3.31.2008 10:21am
David Schwartz (mail):
Several people have made comments like the following:
My advice to clients is that the data is usually only meaningful when comparing responses-over time, across brands, across demographic groups, etc.
I think this is largely, unfortunately, incorrect. If you monitor answers to the same vague question across groups, you may just see how different groups interpret a vague question. If you track answers over time, you may just see how people's understanding of a vague question has changed over time.

That is, the vagueness of the question inserts a variable that can correspond with, or not correspond with, how people feel about the thing you are trying to measure. At a minimum, it odds noise. At worst, it adds noise that correlates with or against the thing measured.
3.31.2008 8:46pm