A look Back at Obama's Days as an Organizer.--

This fascinating New Republic story about Barack Obama’s days as a community organizer came out over a year ago:

Chicago pastors still remember Obama making the rounds of local churches and conducting interviews—in organizing lingo, "one-on-ones"—where he would probe for self-interest. The Reverend Alvin Love, the Baptist minister of a modest brick church amid the clapboard bungalows of the South Side, was one of Obama's first one-on-ones. During a recent visit to his church, Love told me, "I remember he said this to me: There ought to be some way for us to help you meet your self-interest while at the same time meeting the real interests and the needs of the community.'" . . .

He was sometimes more interested in connecting with folks on the South Side than organizing them. He studied the characters he encountered so closely that [fellow organizer Mike] Kruglik says Obama turned his field reports into short stories about the hopes and struggles of the local pastors and congregants with whom he was trying to commune.

It is interesting that both Barack and Hillary were serious students of Saul Alinsky's methods.

J. Aldridge:
What I cannot understand is why it took Obama so many years to finally become "outraged" with Wright's "world view" and why hadn't he become offended much earlier?

I don't think it would take the common man more than 20 mins to determine Wright was a racist crackpot. And if Obama claims he was fooled not sure I care to see another easily fooled fool in the WH.
6.3.2008 2:21am
Asher (mail):
Was this posted to discredit Obama in some way? Because, as much as I'd like to see him be discredited, I don't see how it does that.
6.3.2008 2:35am
Cornellian (mail):
Who is Saul Alinsky?

So according to this story, Obama is really interested in individuals, is irritated at the prejudice he encountered against Jews, Catholics and white people and notes that if he were really a naive babe in the woods as some have suggested, he could hardly have risen in Chicago politics so quickly after arriving in the city without knowing anyone.

All entirely consistent with what we already know about him.
6.3.2008 2:41am
James Lindgren (mail):
Asher:

Was this posted to discredit Obama in some way?


No. It's a very positive story.

Like many of us, I'm trying to understand Obama better, since I expect him to be President.

I've read his second book -- haven't read the first one yet.

Jim Lindgren
6.3.2008 2:43am
Regina Srout (mail):
“We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK”
~ Barack Hussein Obama
6.3.2008 2:52am
Ricardo (mail):
Barack Hussein Obama

I cannot imagine there is a single person who even casually peruses the comments at VC who is unaware of what Barack Obama's middle name is. Unless you are prepared to start referring to the presumptive Republican nominee as John Sidney McCain III (bet you didn't even know his middle name before now) and Obama's rival as Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton (or her middle name), can you please stop engaging in such idiotic propaganda?
6.3.2008 3:41am
ithaqua (mail):
Who is John Galt Saul Alinsky?

He is, in fact, the archetype of the anti-American leftist academic, and the guiding light of the Communist-inspired union movement that crippled American industry. From this site:

"Alinsky was born in Chicago in 1909. Hillary Rodham’s thesis is very revealing of Alinsky’s view of American life. It says, “…after graduating from the University of Chicago, Alinsky received a fellowship in criminology with a first assignment to get a look at crime from the inside of gangs. He attached himself to the Capone gang, attaining a perspective from which he viewed the gang as a huge quasi-public utility serving the people of Chicago.” Alinsky -- in that and other experiences -- became an academic-turned-radical, a personality type first found among the press covering the Russian revolution of 1917-18 and that became much more common five decades later, forming the basis of the Vietnam anti-war movement. He and others like him would find America’s adversaries -- within and outside the law -- more attractive than America itself.

Saul Alinsky’s radicalism was expressed in his 1971 book, “Rules for Radicals: A Pragmatic Primer for Realistic Radicals.” In that book, Alinsky said, “Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins -- or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom -- Lucifer.”"

Yes. "All entirely consistent with what we already know about [Hussein]." Indeed.
6.3.2008 8:10am
GV:
People, please stop responding to people like ithaqua and Regina Srout (assuming they're not the same person). They're pretty clearly here as trolls, and they make the mostly unbearable political discussion on volokh even more unbearable. I think it’s a pretty good idea to ignore anyone who says things like “Barack Hussein Obama.” Stop fanning the flames.
6.3.2008 8:20am
ithaqua (mail):
"I think it’s a pretty good idea to ignore anyone who says things like “Barack Hussein Obama.”"

/me recursively ignores GV :)
6.3.2008 8:41am
dearieme:
He's not a Kennedy, a Clinton or a John Kerry. Rejoice!
6.3.2008 9:00am
bornyesterday (mail) (www):
You forgot that he's not a Gore.
6.3.2008 9:44am
Aultimer:

James Lindgren (mail):
No. It's a very positive story.

Like many of us, I'm trying to understand Obama better, since I expect him to be President.

This may be the first time Conspirator copped to the motivation for a post. Thanks for the transparency, Prof Lindgren.
6.3.2008 9:59am
LTEC (mail) (www):
There is a great deal of talk here about "organizing" and about "change" but very little discussion about the goals of the organizing and the nature of the desired change. In a long article, all we see is a mysterious reference here to "asbestos", there to "making the streets safer". Obama engaged with beggars, but it's not clear why: was he going to improve their lives (and if so, exactly how?), or was he going to use them as part of his "organizing".

I find the article frightening. Something is being Organized, but we don't know what.
6.3.2008 10:12am
Cold Warrior:
It is an interesting article, and does provide some insight.

I'm just curious: why the seemingly random, pointless use of boldface? Lindgren obviously wants us to stop and say, "oooh, now I see," but I'm underwhelmed.

Hey, none of these folks got where they are today without being good at politics ...
6.3.2008 10:46am
Woodrow Jarvis Hill (mail) (www):
Something is being Organized, but we don't know what.
As someone who's been involved in the campaign as a volunteer, and has had a number of discussions with people who've known Obama for nearly 2 decades, let me say what I've observed and heard.

Obama is not organizing the overthrow of America for either the "Communists" or the "Islamicists". We're not a cult, nor do we follow him mindlessly. I came to support him, first off, more because of his mindset on how to rebuild and redirect the military after pulling out of Iraq, for one point, and a number of other supporters think his plans in that regard are crazy.

What he is doing, what he learned in part from the Organization, is giving his supporters encouragement to work in their communities for whatever cause they choose. This is not hyperbole, this is something I've heard from more than one staffer, on more than one occasion. Yes, they would be primarily Democrats, but there are more GOPers working for Obama than is obvious. And he's passed down the signal for them to take what they are learning from working in his campaign, and to apply it for their causes.

And the article's simply not about that, because it's not about what he did -- which can be found with 15 minutes on Google, if you wish to know -- but what he learned. The article's about process, not ideology, and looking for that in it is like looking for Aaron's batting secrets in the box scores.

If you really are concerned that Obama's some sort of crypto-...whatever, try poking around and looking at his voting and legislative record on THOMAS. Or, if you want a summary, check out this '06 blog post on his record.
6.3.2008 11:10am
dre (mail):
The Community Organizer™: all hat no cattle.
6.3.2008 11:34am
CJColucci:
Just about anybody who wants to organize anything outside the world of well-heeled lobbyists uses methods popularized by Alinsky -- often for ends that would make him turn over in his grave.
6.3.2008 12:37pm
LTEC (mail) (www):
Woodrow Jarvis Hill --

Thanks for clearing that up!
6.3.2008 12:41pm
Jiminy (mail):
dre, I prefer this sort of organization to the current leader: all stick no carrot
6.3.2008 1:43pm
Jim Rhoads (mail):
What CJC just said.

Be you left or right in your politics, if you are in the organizing business and don't study Alinsky, you are committing malpractice.

This article sheds some light on BHO's skills and originality.

It also shows that he is a pragmatic political animal. That is a good sign, for not many would want a political naif for President. I voted for Carter. One of those was enough.
6.3.2008 3:38pm
Tony Tutins (mail):
Who is Saul Alinsky? For one thing, he's the man who trained Fred Ross how to organize. And who is Fred Ross? He's the man who trained Cesar Chavez how to organize. And Cesar Chavez organized the farmworkers, and got schools and streets and a state holiday named for him. But nobody knows who Fred is, and few have even heard of Saul.
6.3.2008 5:01pm
Gester (mail):
Turning specific anecdotes into human interest stories for the purposes of convincing others to take some action is a technique that's been around since time immemorial. Not sure why Alinksy specifically is credited with this?
6.3.2008 5:18pm
FredR (mail):
"It is interesting that both Barack and Hillary were serious students of Saul Alinsky's methods."

Fredrick Hayek was the ideological mentor of Reagan and Thatcher; Alinsky the mentor of Clinton and Obama.

Enough said.
6.3.2008 9:59pm
Tony Tutins (mail):
FredR: Alinsky's methods for organizing people are no more ideological than Toastmasters' methods for developing public speakers are. Think Clausewitz or Sun Tzu, not Hayek or Keynes.
6.4.2008 3:14am
Layedback (mail):
"Obama is not organizing the overthrow of America for either the "Communists" or the "Islamicists". We're not a cult, nor do we follow him mindlessly...What he is doing, what he learned in part from the Organization, is giving his supporters encouragement to work in their communities for whatever cause they choose. This is not hyperbole, this is something I've heard from more than one staffer, on more than one occasion."

If anyone has read Alinsky one realizes that one of the major "rules" for radicals is to assess one's position within the current political zeitgeist, and plan accordingly. I think one of the most politically adroit moves Obama has made is his ambiguity. He has realized the current trend of an uneducated and uninformed voter base, combined it with a highly motivated and vehimently LEFTIST group of "organizers" (read staffers), and has taken the country by storm. Of course he allows his supporters to advocate whatever cause they choose, because, due to his ambiguity, that is the cause posit as the "change" Obama will bring. As long as they pull that lever who cares.
I think perhaps the most illuminating fact in this article is Rev. Wright's apparent conversion from Islam to a more socially acceptable "Black Liberation Theology" Christianity. I'll bet Alinsky is smiling in approval as the flames of hell lick at his feet. Obama and Wright have recognized the current political climate and have veiled their political (and I would posit religious, but would not want to offend objectives Woodrow, Ricardo, and their ilk) objectives appropriately. They are masters of the Alinsky way,"Winning at all cost." Subsequently, the questions about the ambiguity of the Obama platform, are ones that will only be answered from the oval office. So, perhaps it would be better to have a Lefty we know, like those listed above, than to have an unknown entity as the most powerful man in the now-free world. But it's too late for that now.
6.4.2008 9:39am
Proud to be a liberal :
Barack Obama discusses his community organizing work in his first book. He meet with people to see how he could help identify their needs &then figure out something that could be done. One example he gives in his book is learning that there was no employment center for workers who needed retraining, etc. in the community that he was working in. After identifying a feasible goal that was useful, he was able to assist the community in obtaining the goal.

Thus, the basic idea of community organizing is to help people help themselves. Anyone who has organized a letter writing campaign in a community has done some community organizing.

Obama's book makes clear that he is pragmatic and not ideologically driven. What works? What is effective?

In fact, Barak's political campaign is community organizing on a grander scale -- organizing communities of voters to come together to get people to the voting booths &to help him get elected. He certainly has been very effective in organizing his political campaign. And those skills will help him become a great President.
6.4.2008 8:07pm