Interesting Then, and Now:
I was surfing about the Interweb recently and I came across this 2002 article by my colleague Jeffrey Rosen about the failed DC Circuit nominations of Allen Snyder in 1999 and John Roberts in 1992. I remember reading the article when it came out, but it's still pretty interesting to read six years later (in part because Roberts ended up in a relatively high-profile position in the end). Too bad Snyder was never confirmed, though: I thought he would have been an outstanding judge.
corneille1640 (mail):
One quotation from the article:

This strategy makes no sense. Unlike Supreme Court justices, lower-court judges are required to apply Supreme Court precedents, rather than second-guess them. By treating every appellate-court nomination as a dress rehearsal for a

Supreme Court battle to come, the Senate and the interest groups have created the misleading impression that lower-court judges are more polarized and less constrained than they actually are.

Is this necessarily accurate of appellate courts? Can't an appellate court, at least in theory, "distinguish" the cases that come before it in such a way as to make "new law"? Of course, even if I am right about what an appellate court can "theoretically" do, that does not necessarily mean that appellate courts are in the habit of doing so.
6.17.2008 8:51am
slasher:
I was surfing about the Interweb recently [...]


do0d,

WTF are you saying “Interweb”?

This year, we call it the “interwebtubes”!

Get with the progam, man. Geez.
6.17.2008 9:10am
Soronel Haetir (mail):
As a sort-of response to Cornel I recall a discussion here a few weeks ago about a 9th circuit judge (don't recall whether district or court of appeals) who was quoted as saying "they can't catch them all"
6.17.2008 10:06am
andy (mail) (www):

(in part because Roberts ended up in a relatively high-profile position in the end)


"relatively" high-profile position? relative to what? being the Pope?
6.17.2008 10:49am
Terrivus:
This article is depressing. Six years later, nothing Rosen descibes has changed.
6.17.2008 11:06am
No One:
Soronel, that judge was the infamous Reinhardt himself.

What's also interesting is how Rosen's tune has changed about Roberts now that Roberts has been confirmed to the Supreme Court.

Finally, let me say that I hope the obstruction continues under the Obama Administration. I hope the GOP has the guts to retaliate, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, Pickering for Kagan, ___ for Keisler, because you don't win wars by surrender.
6.17.2008 11:31am
krs:
because you don't win wars by surrender

That's a useless thing to say.
6.17.2008 12:52pm
Anon21:
Don't forget, No One...best case, the GOP has no means of resistance or obstruction. 10 seats is a long shot, but it's by no means out of reach. I really relish the thought of the court-packing that will go on if President Obama has a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.
6.17.2008 1:54pm
Kevin Lomax:
No One:

How has Rosen's tune changed about Roberts? I had Rosen for Crim Pro last fall, and he jokingly copped to having a John Roberts man-crush on several occassions. He also speaks glowingly about Roberts in his most recent book.
6.17.2008 3:03pm
one of many:
Anon 21, don't you mean the end to the Republican's indefensible and outrageous partisan logjam in judicial confirmations? Court-packing is a loaded term with negative connotations, you should use neutral terms.
6.17.2008 5:39pm
Dave N (mail):
Anon21--

I think the Republicans will lose seats (New Mexico, Colorado, and Virginia, in particular). Other seats will likely remain Republican, though a very outlier case can be made that Republicans in Alaska, Kentucky, Maine, Mississippi (Wicker), New Hampsire, and Oregon might lose. However, the Democratic incumbent in Louisiana is just as, if not weaker than, any of those three named. Additionally the Democratic incumbent in New Jersey is also polling very anemically at this juncture.

The Democrats had high hopes for Minnesota, but Al Franken is an extremely damaged candidate.

So to have a filibuster proof Senate, Democrats would a) have to run the table, including Minnesota--and many of the Republicans mentioned above are running ahead of their Democratic opponent--as well as win both Louisiana and New Jersey. And, even if that happened, b) Democrats have to hope that Joe Liberman plays along with them.

It is possible--but my guess in the end is that Wicker will beat Musgrave (following the long tradition of southern Democratic governors who cannot make it to the U.S. Senate) along with McConnell (Kentucky), Collins (Maine). and Smith (Oregon). I also predict that Stevens is ousted in the primary. With Stevens gone, Alaska is uncompetitive for the Democrats.

Sununu may still lose--and is the likeliest incumbent Republican to be beaten in the general this year.

Realistically, a Senate that is 55 or 56 Democratic, counting Lieberman as a Democrat. 61 Democrats (where Lieberman's vote is unnecessary) is Kos-fantasyland.
6.17.2008 5:46pm
Dave N (mail):
correction before we end up in a battle of what the polls say.

The sentence that now reads: "However, the Democratic incumbent in Louisiana is just as, if not weaker than, any of those three named" should read, "However, the Democratic incumbent in Louisiana is just as weak as, if not weaker than, many of those Republican seats named."
6.17.2008 5:52pm
corneille1640 (mail):
A "filibuster proof" presence in the senate depends on any given vote. It would be naive, I think, to say that if either party had 60 senators, all 60 would always vote for cloture. It would depend on the issue and on the particular judge the president names. Additionally, if a given party has close to 60 votes, on any given issue that party might be able to get enough defectors from the other side to vote for cloture. In a single-member district presentation system such as we have, it is quite difficult to enforce party discipline, the apparently extreme partisanship of the last 16 years or so notwithstanding.
6.17.2008 6:06pm
Anon21:
Dave N, as I say, it's a long shot. But the number of seriously endangered Republican incumbents suggests that it's within the realm of possibility, subject to evolving polling information as the election season unfolds. Another factor is the top of the ticket--ticket splitting is less common than the coattails effect, and if the dynamics of the Presidential contest shift noticeably after the conventions, we may also see rapid movement in the Senate races, or candidates from a party whose Presidential nominee is surging in the polls outperforming their polling margins on Election Day.

Finally, as corneille notes, there's no exact magic number to arrive at a functionally filibuster proof majority situation in which Senate consideration is not a factor that plays much of a role in a President's judicial nomination choices. I don't know why you assume Lieberman has departed from the Democratic coalition entirely--unless we assume he's completely opportunistic, it seems more realistic to take him at his word that his dissatisfaction with the Democrats mostly stems from foreign policy (and especially Iraq), and expect him to vote for cloture on and in favor of liberal judicial nominees. Along with the prospects of Snowe, Collins (assuming she is re-elected), Specter, and even Voinovich defecting on any given cloture vote, Republicans could avoid electoral disaster and still be helpless to prevent some very liberal appeals court judges from being rammed through the Senate.
6.17.2008 6:59pm
Dave N (mail):
If Obama is elected (not a sure thing but something I will assume for the sake of argument), of course there will be some liberal appeals court judges named. A Republican Senate confirmed both Richard Paez and Sidney Thomas, to name two of President Clinton's more liberal nominees.

However, I suspect that if a nominee is "too liberal", the first sign will be in the Senate Judiciary Committee, where I am led to believe that Senator Specter has been less than thrilled with the Democrats game playing on judicial nominations. And someone who is "too liberal" will not get the votes to ensure cloture.
6.17.2008 7:13pm
apparently not in the know:
Orin,
What is the "Interweb"? Is it your internal web system at GW Law ... privy only to the GW community?
6.17.2008 7:33pm
krs:
I think it's like the "Internets"
6.17.2008 8:30pm
OrinKerr:
apparently not in the know:

Wikipedia has the story here.
6.17.2008 9:15pm
BZ (mail):
Sigh, the sainted J. Michael Straczynski, the force behind Babylon 5, stikes again.

I am reminded of a story Joe related. You must first know that he is and has been for many years virulently anti-Bush. But for some reason he was in a White House meeting when Karl Rove came in to speak with him. Rove pointed out that the President loved the show, as did Rove. Straczynski was, he reported, quite shaken.

And one should point out that Babylon 5 explored many interesting legal and libertarian issues in great detail and with much thought.
6.18.2008 9:45am
BZ (mail):
should have been "strikes"
6.18.2008 9:46am