Thanks to Eugene for inviting me to join this blog. Let me start with a prediction. When historians write about the post-cold war era, which began in 1989, the date of its termination will not be 9/11/2001, as has been frequently claimed, but 8/7/2008, when Georgian forces attacked separatists in South Ossetia and Russia responded with an invasion. August 7 marks the end of American sole-superpowerdom, or hyperpowerness, or hegemony, or whatever you want to call it, an interval somewhat longer than but still very similar to the periods of global preeminence the United States enjoyed for a few years after World War I and World War II.
There are other notable similarities. In all three of these periods, Americans and others believed that an era of the rule of international law had begun, and in all of these periods, the United States was initially lauded for its leadership and then criticized for putting its interests first.
There are some differences, however. In the great powers era that ended with the world wars, national governments derived their authority from unembarrassed chauvinism — their peoples’ instinctive belief in their own ethnic, racial, or national superiority. With the cold war, the conflict was not between competing nationalisms but between competing ideologies — democracy versus socialism, capitalism versus communism. Today, the conflict is shaping up as one between an ideology, on the one hand, and a bunch of different nationalisms, on the other. On one side, we have American/European commitment to democracy and rights. On the other side, we have Russian and Chinese nationalism, and who knows what other countries with similar agendas will emerge over the next few decades.
These differences play out in many ways. Americans believe that every country should have our system or at least a constitutional democracy; Europeans similarly believe that every country should respect human rights. The Chinese and Russians, by contrast, are preoccupied with restoring or promoting national greatness — something that few Europeans and even Americans would say about their own countries. The Americans and the Europeans – well, the west, I guess – are willing, at cost to themselves, to pressure states (like Sudan) that violate western values. Russia’s main concern is protecting – Russians, those who live in neighboring countries. China seeks to do deals with other countries, not to convert them to the Chinese system.
Of course, America’s ideological goals serve its interests; they are just the goals that American governments believe that Americans ultimately support. It will be hard for future historians to see the post-Cold War period as anything other than a series of steps that the United States took to expand its sphere of influence, in Africa, in the Middle East, in Eastern Europe, and in Central Asia, into the vacuum left by the collapse of the Soviet Union. But each step was accompanied by a consistent ideological agenda: we are doing this for your own good! China’s rise has slowed down this agenda in Africa, and Russia’s recovery will almost certainly defeat it in Central Asia. The United States won the battle of ideologies in 1989, but its global power was only a temporary thing, as is becoming clearer every day.
The implication for international law is troubling. The busy international legal activity that occurred during the post-Cold War era – the establishment of international courts, the involvement of the Security Council, the advance of international trade law – will slow down and perhaps even reenter the deep freeze into which it was shunted during the Cold War. The irony is that liberal internationalism could advance only as long as the United States was the sole superpower and in the mood to advance it.
Our military power remains unchanged; we continue to have the most powerful, most effective military in the world. What's changed is the willingness of Russia (and others) to risk that power, and to thwart it by taking advantage of our greater distaste for risk and our greater regard for innocent lives. Russia can get away with invading a sovereign nation (and make no mistake, that's exactly what it did) because they know full well that the "international community" remains as toothless now as it was during the Cuban Missile Crisis... only this time, the U.S. is far less politically prepared to risk military action against them, particularly over "just" one little region of a former Soviet country.
Yes, there was a lot of "busy international law activity" during the post-Cold War era, but how much of that actually accomplished anything? How much actually deterred dictators and rebel groups from slaughtering innocents? U.N. "peacekeeping" forces were utterly unable to stop either the Hezbollah attacks from Lebanon into Israel or the Israeli retaliation. Neither party will be hauled before any international tribunal for such activities. I'm sorry, but I just don't see any actual "law" there. Just much ado about, ultimately, nothing.
I do agree with your analysis of the Western ideology versus Chinese and Russian nationalism, though of course I would add that we also are combating the radical Islamic ideology as well, which is hostile to both us and the Russians and the Chinese.
Georgia is our client. It should have been made plain that we were NOT going to go to war on its behalf. They should have been happy to cede those two territories if it came to that.
Heh. Yeah, sure. Russia is aborting itself into oblivion. They're losing tons of people every year, and there's no equivilent gain. At least Europe is replacing its population with Muslims, who are smart enough to have kids to ensure the survival of society. Russians haven't figured that out yet, and no one is moving to Russia to replace them.
Well, this statement is only correct if we elide the Chinese "near-abroad": China apparently takes the (classically nationalistic) view that anyplace that was ever even close to being part of "greater China" should be so, now and forever. See, e.g., Tibet, Taiwan, Chinese Turkmenistan, and others too numerous to mention.
Similarly, the argument that "Russia’s main concern is protecting – Russians, those who live in neighboring countries" can only be taken at face value if we recognize that Russia's view of this is, ahem, rather more expansive that the statement suggests at face value. It would perhaps be more accurate to say that the Russians have reverted to their Pan-Slav antecedents, and are more than willing to expand into places that are not very Russian, or indeed not Russian at all, in support of this agenda: Georgia, Ukraine, the Baltics, perhaps presently Poland and other central European nations. Certainly Russia has taken up the cudgels on behalf of Serbia more than once.
Finally, I think it is a mistake to conflate the post-nationalist European and "Davos Man" agenda with that of ordinary Americans. Liberal internationalism--which I happen to support--isn't what ordinary Americans want: it's perfectly clear that they want to be left alone and not to be bothered with the world at large. There's virtually no support among ordinary Americans for a long-term mission of spreading democracy abroad, as current public opinion on, e.g., Iraq should make manifestly clear.
Except, you know, for the guy inching into the lead for President of the latter. Pay no attention to the man in front of the curtain...
"There's virtually no support among ordinary Americans for a long-term mission of spreading democracy abroad, as current public opinion on, e.g., Iraq should make manifestly clear."
Again, except for those ordinary Americans on the front lines risking their lives to do just that. What is their approval rating again?
If liberal internationalism is rightly integrated into a nationalism that celebrates the unique contributions - past, present, and future - of the one nation constituted alone by liberal ideals it can be confident of wide appeal on these shores.
On the elite side, this goes back to the Project for a New American Century, which explicitly called for renewed American nationalism as a force in world politics. On the popular side, look no further than the flag-waving, the adhesion of popular religion to politics, and the elevation of a soldier to a major political candidate on a war-hero footing. (I'm not saying McCain wasn't a war hero. I'm saying that looking to soldiers rather than diplomats, legislators, or other groups for political leadership is a sign of nationalism.)
Another example of American nationalism is the broad acceptance of the eradication of other nations' sovereignty for the purpose of securing America: the "magnet" justification for the Iraq war, known also as "fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here". This is an explicitly America-First position: no, Iraq wasn't our enemy, they didn't have WMDs, and they weren't arming the terrorists, but it's morally right to convert Iraq into a war zone in order to draw fire away from America's cities.
Anyhow international law sucks! It's all biased against us, even though we wrote it. I blame the UN.
I would be worried about the corrupt broken infrastructure country that is Russia, but abortion is totally going to cause serious infrastructure and corruption problems there!
And China would be scary, what with it's being totally Communist and not needing out dollars at all, but gay marriage will somehow bring it down!
International anarchy of countries seizing neighbors' territory (and citizens) is worse than war. War should be used to put a stop to that.
What pacifists never realize is that appeasement just leads to more death and loss of innocent lives than war does.
A quick smackdown of Hitler in 1938 would have prevented WWII. And if Russia is allowed to start seizing neighboring territories it will just lead to WWIII.
Of course Saddam claimed (a claim that turned out to be true) that he had destroyed his WMD. Our invasion was based on deeply flawed intelligence (if you are credulous and kind).
Iraq certainly did have WMDs into the early 1990s--and gave us reason to think that they still did. We now know that their motivation was to bluff their neighbors--but it wasn't like Iraq didn't have a long history of using WMDs on its neighbors, and its own population.
Iraq was cleary supporting terrorists, providing funding to families of suicide bombers in Israel. These weren't the 9/11 terrorists, but they were supporting terrorists.
How many more errors can you make in one comment?
It isn't "nationalism" that drives the support for McCain. My wife is, I suspect, pretty typical of many of those who grudgingly support McCain. She wants someone who is perceived as a warrior in charge--not someone who terrorists are going to perceive as a wimp. The perception of weakness encourages more attacks--as Osama bin Laden has made clear, when he explained that the Blackhawk Down incident demonstrated that Americans would not fight to protect their interests.
He also resisted efforts to verify that Iraq had indeed destroyed their WMD programs and assets (which claim, it turned out, was only partly true), while at the same time assuring his own government and military leadership that Iraq still possessed WMD warmaking capability.
Even as the Iraqi Army was in collapse, division leadership believed that the weapons would be brought into play at any time... But that it was some other division that had the weapons, just not their own.
With all the shellgames going on inside Iraq, and their demonstrated ability and willingness to employ chemical weapons against internal and external opponents, not to mention invading neighbors multiple times over a period of several decades, why in the world would expect any result other than that reached by several nations' intelligence services; Iraq probably had WMD, and if they did, they'd probably use them.
20-20 hindsight and all that; something you don't have the luxury of bathing in until after the event.
Unfortunately, the J.F. Thomas's of of the 1930s had become dominant forces in most Western nations. "Goodness, what has war ever accomplished?"
Like, say, George Washington. Or would you prefer we had remained under the Articles of Confederation.
There is a fascinating account in Winston Churchill's The Gathering Storm of the run up to Munich. According to Churchill the German general staff had finally concluded that Hitler was mad (based on his plan to invade Czechoslovakia, leaving the western front nearly bare to a French invasion), and had ordered a division near Berlin to arrest him. Two hours before it arrived, Hitler received a phone call. It was Chamberlain caving to his demands.
And today Russia is making unpleasant noises about "non-diplomatic" retaliation if Poland and the Czech Republic permit installation of U.S. missile defense systems. As fellow NATO members, we have an obligation to come to their defense if Russia decides on a more violent self-help remedy (not to mention avenging the probable death of U.S. personnel if Russia acts militarily to take out the systems), in addition to whatever bilateral defense obligations the U.S. just assumed as part of today's Polish agreement.
Entangling Alliances, here we come...
I have to confess, I'm thinking of re-writing that old Prince dance tune with a modified title: "Party Like It's 1914." And that's even without also humming a more ominous version of "Georgia On My Mind."
Sorry to go all Metternich on you, but IMO his system worked a whole lot better than the UN and "international law".
Honestly Clayton, where you get the idea I am a pacifist is beyond me. Just because I think the war in Iraq was foolish, unnecessary, and based on deliberate misreading of the intelligence (if not outright lying) doesn't mean that I don't think war is ever necessary. As for Hitler, I don't know where you ever got the idea that I thought appeasement was a good idea. Your credulousness in believing the word of a bunch of self-serving German generals who were trying to save their own skins after the war by claiming they never liked Hitler and if only the French and British had saved them from themselves in 1936 everything would have been hunky dory displays a naivety that is sweet.
Oh yeah, it worked wonderfully in propping up the oppressive dying empires of Central Europe and aided Prussian expansionism, which of course led to the deaths of 100 million or so Europeans in the first half of the twentieth century.
Yeah, the system of international law since World War II really sucks. It was so much better before.
Not all places are Munich; neither are all years 1938.
And you thought there was no good news.
One thing about our German colleagues - they keep meticulous records. The records show that the generals despised (i.e. both hated and looked down on) but used Hitler for their own purposes until exactly the moment they realized his mad plan was working exactly as he had foreseen (i.e. the conquest of Czechoslavakia and the crucial Skoda works following Munich). At that point, the generals followed the German people in swinging wildly behind Hitler. Strong horse and all that.
The relevance to the thread being the copious opportunities for the Allies to prevent this from happening before this point.
If you have records showing otherwise, I'd be happy to see them.
Sigh. Another silly ass.
I suggest you ask the survivors of Janos Kadar, the Russian Revolution, the Cambodian Intelligensia (defined as anyone who wore glasses), the Founding Fathers, the French Revolutionaries, the French Resistance, die Weiße Rose, Freemasons in Fascist Spain, or most anyone with a number tattooed on the forearm whether there are in fact things worse than war.
And come back when you grow up.
Ah, there's the rub, isn't there? We can't ever seem to find anyone to take our side who is sufficiently pure.
But somehow that always works out that there is no one sufficiently impure to be against.
Yes, we have gotten into bed with a lot of smelly characters, too: it was FDR who famously said of Trujillo that he was an S.O.B. but that he was *our* S.O.B. In most if not all instances, this represented--like it or not--a prudential judgment that the bad person we were supporting was preferable to the worse one who might replace him. Instances where we chose to follow a more "idealistic" approach include our abandonment of Batista in Cuba, Somoza in Nicaragua, the Shah in Iran, and the Muzorewa-Smith government in Rhodesia: in every instance, I think it safe to assert that the replacement was worse than the original.
Distinguishing good from bad is easy: what's harder is to distinguish bad from worse. This is, however, the essence of statesmanship.
And not a day too soon. Sorry professor, sophisticates in faculty lounge will have to find other toys.
And not a day too soon. Sorry professor, sophisticates in faculty lounge will have to find other toys.
What's ironic about that?
Chapter five is devoted to the efforts of the plotters on the German General Staff to get Britain to not give in at Munich, in the hopes that it would allow a successful overthrow of Hitler. Of course, count on the pacifists to make that impossible.
J.F., one of these days, you really ought to read something more than The Nation. You will be amazed how much knowledge there is, once you get past your ideological blinders.
I don't see Alan Colmes on that list . . . ?
If ever there was a quote that revealed the utter bankruptcy of what passes for sober foreign policy analysis in this country this is it.
[Important Note to Helpful Readers: If we have confusing typos and especially ugly formatting errors, such as an unclosed underline or bold tag, we'd love to hear from you about them -- but please e-mail the author about this, rather than leaving a comment. We often won't read the comments for a while after the post, and if there's a glaring formatting error, we'd see it quickly when we revisit the post, even without the comment; and in any event the comment likely isn't going to be that helpful to your fellow comment readers. So please e-mail us directly about glitches like this. Thanks!]
Comment Policy: We'd like the posts to be civil, of course (no profanity, personal insults, and the like), but we're also hoping that people try to be as calm, reasoned, and substantive as possible. So please, also avoid rants, invective, substantial and repeated exaggeration, and radical departures from the topic of the thread. Sticking with substance -- and staying on-topic -- will make the comments more helpful to other readers, and more pleasant.
As editors, we reserve the right to delete posts, and even to kick out posters, though we hope that both of these will be exceptional events. (We also reserve the right to be busy with other things, and therefore (1) not remove all the posts that might merit removal, and (2) ignore demands such as "You should remove A's posts, because they're just as bad as B's!")
Here's a tip: Reread your post, and think of what people would think if you said this over dinner. If you think people would view you as a crank, a blowhard, or as someone who vastly overdoes it on the hyperbole, rewrite your post before hitting enter.
And if you think this is the other people's fault -- you're one of the few who sees the world clearly, but fools wrongly view you as a crank, a blowhard, or as someone who overdoes it on the hyperbole -- then you should still rewrite your post before hitting enter. After all, if you're one of the few who sees the world clearly, then surely it's especially important that you frame your arguments in a way that is persuasive and as unalienating as possible, even to fools.
Our goal is to provide an interesting and pleasant environment that can help inform readers. To do that, we'll occasionally have to exercise our editorial discretion. Think of this as an in-person discussion group, where having different voices is critical to a great conversation -- but where sometimes the leader has to deal with cranks who sour the conversation more than they enliven it.
Naturally, there's always a risk that this discretion will be used erroneously, no matter how well-intentioned the editor. But discussion groups (especially on the Internet, but also off it) generally need an editor who'll occasionally make such judgments.
And, remember, it's a big Internet. If you think we were mistaken in removing your post (or, in extreme cases, in removing you) -- or if you prefer a more free-for-all approach -- there are surely plenty of ways you can still get your views out.