I am thinking of buying a new desktop computer for my office, or a new portable computer. Both of my current models are Dells, and I've been happy with them, except that they are five years old, and getting slow. The portable (a subnotebook with an 11 inch screen) is slow on booting, and on opening programs. The desktop gets slow whenever it's required to do something CPU-intensive in the background--e.g., an antivirus scan, playing an episode of bloggingheads.tv, etc.
I've been happy with Dell, but the customer comments I see on CNET.com and on Amazon.com about Dell's current quality control and customer service are horrific.
My plan is to buy a fairly powerful machine, so that I don't need to upgrade in a couple years. My home computer is a one-year old Gateway, which has worked great. Unfortunately, Gateway no longer sells directly, and only offers pre-configured machines from selected vendors. Its most powerful desktops appear to be available only from TigerDirect, with which some of my friends have had customer service problems.
I certainly don't want to buy from HP. I bought a multifunction printer from them a few years ago. When it broke (bad circuit board), they refused to sell me a replacement circuit board; instead they offered me a "discount" on a new printer; the "discounted" price was actually higher than the regular price available from several retail vendors.
I don't want to buy from Apple. Too many compatability issues with the Windows-based systems in my office and home.
So...should I go back to Dell? Or buy from somebody else? Who makes high-quality, reliable computers these days? I don't need a system with superfast video for gaming, nor do I expect that I need something with strong video editing powers. (But who knows what will be important in 3-4 years?) I do want something with a fast CPU, and lots of RAM. So what should I do?
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My suggestion would be, for a desktop at least, to skip retail computers and just build your own. You avoid all the crappy shovel-ware that comes pre-loaded on retail models, and you'll save anywhere from 1/3 to 1/2 of the price.
If you have no experience building your own, there are plenty of websites like www.tomshardware.com that can help, and you probably know somebody who is experienced at building computers, whether you realize it or not.
As far as brands go, avoid HP/Compaq at all costs. I would also stay away from Toshiba - my last laptop was a Toshiba and despite taking care with it, I had to bring it back to Best Buy for repairs 6 times in the year I owned it. Major stuff, too - the screen completely died twice, as did the hard drive connector.
I've had two Dells (one laptop, one desktop) and a Dell desktop at work.
The desktop (purchased c. 2002) was a work-horse and I got years of service from it -- very happy with it, never had to use customer service. The laptop (purchased c. 2005) died after a year and a half -- it was out of warranty so I didn't bother with Dell customer service.
The Dell at work was a mess and I had an absolutely miserable time with their corporate customer service. I spent hours and hours on hold, they did very stupid things like make me repeat every step that the last customer service guy tried when I called again. (I remember coming in on a holiday so I could sit on hold with Dell because it took so long.) Many problems with that computer and many problems with Dell customer service. I kept thinking "if this is how they treat their CORPORATE customers, how must they treat everyone else?"
So anyway, after the Dell laptop died and after the miserable experience I had at work with them, I decided to go Thinkpad for the replacement laptop. I had to deal with Lenovo tech support on one matter and they were fast and efficient. I have no complaints about them and would urge you to take a look at their products. Vista is another story however...
Now that Apple uses an Intel processor, it is fully capable of running Windows. You really can have the best of both worlds.
Overall, Apple is the better product, in my opinion. I used Windows for years, but now I am a Mac addict.
I have been told that they do much better with their business grade computers, but the HP/Compaq consumer grade computers are highly suspect as far as reliability, and when they fail, service is lousy.
My former desktops have been stripped of Windows and now run Ubuntu and MythTV and operate as a networked DVR. Next project is to upgrade these to HD...
I've also had very good experiences with Sony - just make sure to wipe most of the "extra" programs that come pre-loaded.
Otherwise, an Apple MacBook running Windows XP (through BootCamp) is actually a very good solution...
While in law school, the top 2 lines were HP and Dell, with about the same reliability (I was the "computer guy" among my friends, so when issues cropped up, I was often asked about them). HP laptops are surprisingly good, but if you don't want to buy HP, that doesn't matter.
I suggest, if you are going to buy a laptop, go with Dell. They make good machines at good prices and I have never had any issues with their support.
If you are going to buy a desktop, strongly consider assembling your own from parts. It is not difficult, and can be a lot of fun if you're into tinkering at all. If you don't want to do that, Dell is a good choice.
If you want to run OS/X, buy Apple. If you are going to run Windows, then don't buy Apple: the price premium is not worth it.
FWIW, Vista does not have many problems at this time (32-bit, ymmv on 64-bit, but XP64 has issues too). Most people who gripe about it have not used it and are telling war stories (I do use it on my gaming rig). Dell does offer the XP downgrade option if this is an issue for you.
Laptop: For Windows, we our most recent good results were with Sony. Reliability and customer service can be very dicey with Dell, HP, Gateway (brought me to tears), etc. Vista sucks. Going Mac is good.
Where I disagree with Snarky, however, is I would make sure the machine uses the Socratic method.
Does this stop the fanboys? Heck no. It only encourages them.
This is why they are rightly derided as fanatics who cannot be trusted to be remotely impartial judges of the relative worth of the respective operating systems.
Since I do all my own support for my comps, I couldn't tell you which company has better tech support. Sorry.
Or get a Mac. I too was a skeptic at first, but when I finally switched (only a week ago) I quickly realized that it was a far more enjoyable computing experience than any Windows machine could possibly offer.
Compatibility problems? What compatibility problems? As a longtime Windows user, I have had none. If anything, my switch to a Mac was predicated partly on Vista's compatibility problems with devices on its own platform! And Apple's operating system frankly beats the bejesus out of anything on Windows now. Stick with XP? You get a last generation platform. Go with Vista? You're bummed because it's turd and we all know how Windows machines eat memory like nobody's business. On a Mac, you get stunning, buttery smooth visuals and usability at no pain. Go with the MacBook Pros (I'm typing on one right now) or the iMacs (which are stunning).
2. Don't buy too much computer. Carrying costs on computers are about 50% per year, so buying more now so you don't have to replace it in three years is silly.
3. I don't think build your own makes sense any more. It used to, but it is hard to build a desktop with Windows for less than $500, and you can get a pretty good Dell for that.
I've never bought a Mac. My next computer will be a Mac. I got a nice framed placard from my local dealer when I bought my last Windows computer from him a few months ago, stating that it was the last Windows XP license sold by him.
I will certainly pay a premium with my next computer purchase because, among other things, I'll have to replace most of my applications programs. But I will be free of Microsoft.
But I would recommend lots of RAM and a dual processor if someone were to ask.
Ryan, I think people are suggesting Macs because Kopel appears to be basing his opinion of them on old myths that are no longer true -- like "compatibility." Unless you're running very specialized software, everything a non-geek uses on Windows is available on a Mac. Even Microsoft Office has its latest version -- 2008 -- on a Mac. MO for Windows? Still in 2007.
Seconded. Or pay a systems integrator a few more bucks to do it. The quality is much better and the cost of upgrades is much less -- e.g. the base Apple system might be cheaper, but they charge such exorbitant prices for extra RAM or larger hard drives, for instance ($300 for a 2GB stick of DDR that costs $35 on NewEgg), that it's cheaper to get a powerful machine from Newegg.
If "getting slow" just means "is slower than newer machines", then that's another proposition altogether.
Correct at the $500 mark, incorrect at the $1000 mark due to absurdly over-priced upgrades at the majors. For instance, Dell charges $210 for 2x2GB upgrade of laptop RAM. Newegg has it for $57. Apple is even worse.
Seconded. If you are really adventurous, use a program called nlite or vlite (giyf) to pare down the Windows XP installation.
As for the Mac: They make good hardware, for which you'll pay a premium, and you can run XP on it without a hitch. Probably the most reliable hardware out there right now for a laptop. I'm not a mac fanboy by any stretch, but the OS has come a long way in the compatibility department. I don't personally like it, but it's worth a second look.
/General ubuntu suggestion, which I know isn't appropriate here :D
For a desktop replacement, get the CF-52.
For thin-and-light, look at the CF-T7, CF-Y7, or CF-W7.
You'll be spending between $1500 and $2000, but you get a built-in three-year warranty (expandable to 5 years) and 48-hour turnaround (they'll pay for overnight both ways if something goes wrong), and you get to enjoy an annual failure rate between a third and a fifth of Dell's, Lenovo's, and Apple's.
I also use a Dell at home. I had an issue a couple of years ago with a worn-out power supply but it was easy and not too expensive to replace.
One thing to bear in mind about product review sites, as I am sure you are aware, is that the incentives for commenters are all on the negative side. Even people that are spectacularly pleased with their purchases are often not motivated to seek out such sites and of course one doesn't even think about service issues that never come up.
Lenovo has the best build quality of the PC laptops I've seen, but they also tend to be as expensive as Apple for a similar machine, and sometimes more so.
Compatibility is no longer a significant reason to avoid the Mac platform. Not when you can get virtualization software that lets you run Windows applications side-by-side with Mac ones. If that doesn't work, one can run Windows directly through Boot Camp.
Mac hardware is only slightly more expensive than *equivalent* PC hardware, and you get what you pay for. If you're close to an Apple Store, you can take your laptop in for service and have it done right there. There's nothing like that kind of service with Dell, HP, or Lenovo.
As for larger hard drives, the ones they come with are pretty huge. The upgrades (e.g., an extra 50GB for a 300 GB drive on the MacBook Pro) are inexpensive at $50 a pop.
I have many times taken the PC of a friend or family member, and simply reinstalled Windows and amazed them with the performance. I'm using the same Dell latitude for 7 years now.
Repartition the drive with Partition Magic or similar program so you have three partitions:
1- 20gb
2- 20gb
3- THE REST OF THE SPACE.
Install Windows on #1. Install a second copy of Windows on #2. Save all your data to #3.
Normally, you boot #1 and install the apps you are using. After a year, you swap, and start booting #2, and install whatever apps you are then using. In a year, you reinstall #1, and swap back to booting #1
I do the swap each year, around Xmas holidays. Takes about a a little time to reinstall XP and a dozen applications, but it is worth it.... particularly since this setup lets me go back to the old booting system anytime, in case I forgot something.
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I have owned at least 3 Dell Workstations-- top-of-the-line models built with better components than the others. They even had a special help line for work station owners. But Dell has changed since then and I wouldn't touch them. My daughter's law school laptop did not hold up well.
I also have experience with Mac G4, G5 and Mac Notebooks. Much superior to Windows. Just the "Time Machine" backup utility alone makes it worth it. You can still run all the Windows stuff now that Macs are Intel machines. You have three choices on how to run Windows: 1. Bootcamp, 2. Parallels, 3. Fusion. Don't use Parallels as it is a security risk. Use Fusion. Now you have it all. You can transfer Word documents to and from Windows machines without even running the Windows emulator. You can plug a USBkey into a Windows machine and your Mac will read PDFs, Word Docs, Excel spreadsheets directly.
One more piece of advise. If you buy a Mac, buy it with minimum memory. Then replace it with more memory from Other World Computing and you will save a bundle.
Another issue to bear in mind is 32 bit versus 64 bit computing. If you go with the ordinary, 32 bit, version of either Windows XP or Windows Vista as the operating system it is not worth getting more than 4Gb of RAM. 4Gb is the limit of 32 bit computers as 4Gb is equal to 2^32. That said 4Gb is definitely the mainstream amount of RAM for computers at the moment.
Overall Windows Vista is the better operating system to go for with a new PC. A new machine will have the muscle to run Vista and the kinks have been ironed out over the last 18 months. If you do go for the 64 bit version then bear in mind that there are some issues with that still. However those issues are minor and with a new machine they are extremely unlikely to crop up.
The reality is that computers are now a commodity product so what sets apart vendors is not really the hardware they offer but the after-sales service. Bearing in mind the points about the CPU, RAM and 32 vs 64 bit operating systems I would say go with the vendor with the best reputation for after-sale services, unless that vendor has cripplingly high prices in comparison with others.
Dell Vostro
pick a Vostro, and configure with these options.
Vostro 200:
Intel® Core™2 Duo Proc E7200 (2.53GHZ, 3MB L2 Cache, 1066FSB) 720 1 [224-0046] 1
Operating System:
Genuine Windows Vista® Home Basic, Service Pack 1 VHB31E 1 [313-5467][420-6581][420-7293][420-7658][420-8547][420-9054] 11
Office Productivity Software (Pre-installed):
No Pre-installed Productivity Software NOSFW 1 [420-7281] 22
Warranty &Service:
1 Year Basic Limited Warranty and 1 Year NBD On-Site Service Q1YOS 1 [983-4250][986-5280][988-7347][989-5897][991-2878] 29
Monitor:
Dell 22 inch Widescreen E228WFP Analog Flat Panel Display E228WFP 1 [320-5667] 5
Memory:
3GB DDR2 SDRAM 667MHZ - 2X1GB+2X512MB 3GB667 1 [311-7406] 3
Optical Drives:
Single Drive: 16X DVD+/-RW Drive 16XDVDR 1 [313-5456][420-7241] 16
Primary Hard Drive:
250GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/DataBurst Cache™ 250G72K 1 [341-4990] 8
Energy Smart:
Dell Energy Smart Enabled ESMART 1 [330-1095] 26
Video Card:
256MB ATI Radeon HD 3650 3650HD 1 [320-6980] 6
Floppy Drive and Media Reader:
No Floppy Drive NOFD 1 [341-4742] 10
Modem and Wireless:
No Modem Option NOMODEM 1 [313-5469] 14
Sound:
Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio INAUDIO 1 [313-5672] 17
Labels:
Windows Vista™ Basic VBD 1 [310-8625] 750
Keyboard:
Dell USB Keyboard USBKYBD 1 [310-9322] 4
Mouse:
Dell Scroll Mouse SCRLMSE 1 [310-9326] 12
Speakers:
No speakers (Speakers are required to hear audio from your system) NOSPKRS 1 [313-5461] 18
Network Interface:
Integrated 10/100 Ethernet INT 1 [430-2501] 13
For a very portable laptop, the Dell xps M1330 is quite nice. Thin and light (under 4 lbs) with a 13.3" screen, it's gotten excellent reviews.
XPS M1330
If you want something even more portable, I would suggest the Macbook Air (you can install Windows on it, and then it's as compatible as any other Windows system)
For the absolute latest and greatest, very thin and light laptop, the Thinkpad x301 is completely cutting edge, and will start going on sale Aug. 26.
Would you like a screenshot? I didn't just make the figure up you know -- I went to Dell's webpage and looked at the cost to upgrade from 2x512 to 2x2GB.
Actually, my buddy bought a Macbook PRO with 2GB only to be dismayed that it was 2x1GB instead of 1x2GB.
My adviser (quite a tech-savvy guy) complains non-stop about Parallels slowing his Macbook to a crawl when trying to run XP and OSX side-by-side. Virtualization is great on the desktop where you have 4 cores and 8GB of RAM (or on servers that run on a cluster of hardware) but computing power is not yet there for the average hardware.
I also have had positive experiences with compaq presario, but here's the problem: compaq was bought by HP. HP is not a good brand. So have they managed to keep their "compaqness?" beats me.
But do not buy dell. i still have a $4,000 doorstop from when i bought from them. they were once great. now they stink out loud.
1. If you go namebrand, don't buy Home/Home-Office models. Doesn't matter what brand I've dealt with over the years, the Home/Home-Office models tend to have more problems. My guess has always been cheaper components.
2. Building your own can be fun, but unless you have a good friend to bounce ideas off of, it can be a headache.
3. Vista is much improved, but I still prefer XP.
4. I have always liked Macs as well. MacOS is a strong operating system. I don't recommend it for someone who wants to play games. I assume you want it so you can do work. If you just want a computer to be reliable and not have to think about it a lot, MacOS is a good choice.
5. Some people will try to talk you into some flavor of Linux. Linux is a strong stable OS, but IMHO, it still requires the end user to have a better understanding of the OS than say MacOS
Dual Processors with 2GB of RAM are basic hardware recommendations.
I strongly encourage my friends and family to consider mirrored hard drives. Most home users don't do sufficient backups. Mirrored hard drives help protect you from dataloss for a reasonable price.
One reason Windows slows down as time goes by is because of the gradual and perpetual accumulation of bloatware. No such worries on a Mac. Everything is kept clean and stays clean.
I ordered all the parts from various online sellers such as NewEgg etc and had a friend bolt it together...or as I said use a local comp. store in your area.
Get a lot more horsepower for the buck.
An advantage that Sony and Apple have is they have local stores, if you end up needing service. (Well, maybe not where you live, David. Aren't you off somewhere in the boonies? Colorado?) Drop your machine off at a Sony store or Apple store and you can describe your problem to an actual person who will probably be tech savvy and you can make sure he writes down the correct stuff, then you get it back in a few days or a week at most. Did this with my wife's Sony Vaio - a good machine - and was quite happy with the service.
By the way - a new (and currently expensive) trend in laptops is for a solid state "disk" (SSD) to replace the standard lots-o-moving-parts disk. The storage capacity is lower but it probably improves the machine's reliability A LOT.
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Parallels did slow my old MacBook to a crawl too - but that thing only had 1GB of memory. Slapping in 2GB made an enormous difference.
So, last month I bought myself a Macbook Pro. There are several windows applications I want to continue using, so I run a Windows OS seperately on the Mac (as a previous commenter mentioned, since Macs now use Intel processors, they can run Windows).
Software is definitely more expensive for the Mac, but the lack of crashes, updates, security issues, network compatibility issues, etc make it worth it.
As for a Mac, you would have to go with the MacBook Air to get an ultraportable. It just has two many limitations in my opinion: no optical drive, no ethernet, one USB port.
Here is a review comparing the X300 to the MacBook Air:
Review
The only problem with the six year old workstation is video card speed. It's PCI bus and I can't get a fast card any more. JMP, a stat program, uses video card hardware acceleration heavily and the latest version drags on the display.
Try to get the processor frequency a low integer multiple of the RAM frequency. 2.66 GHz vs 667 MHz, for instance, 4:1. This isn't a big deal unless you run code which overwhelms on-chip cache. If you do, integer multiples are most cost effective. Ditto filling up all your DRAM slots.
If you go this route get their 3-year AppleCare warranty. If you ever have any problems you get overnight round-trip and when you're ready to sell it they'll basically refurbish the thing for free, which recovers all the cost of AppleCare.
Apple also has automatic backups (Time Machine) which are super handy. No doubt somebody in your school already has a setup like this you can try.
Indeed, to make the transition easier, the Apple stores are now offering to transfer all of your data from your present PC to the Mac that you purchase free of charge.
I cannot praise the Time Machine automatic backup system which comes as part of the Leopard OS highly enough. The system automatically mirrors your entire hard drive onto a separate hard drive on a regular basis in the background as you work on the computer. If you lose or have some vital data corrupted, you can literally go back in time to a prior version of your hard drive and retrieve it again.
My MS Entourage (the Mac version of outlook) ended up erasing my entire calendar in a sync snafu and I was able to recover the data in short order.
Seriously, you would do well to go to an Apple Store or a computer store which specializes in Mac (not a box store like Best Buy) and let them show you what they have to offer. I promise you, the hour or two you spend will be well worth it.
Dell is from H*ll.
I have a MacPro with 4 gigs of Ram and two 20" Apple Cinema displays. I run Vista on one and MacOs on the other. To my surprise, Vista in emulation is actually faster than the XP box I used at my last job.
Apple has the best hardware in the industry, and the Intel processor allows you to run natively whatever software you need or want. Why choose one over the other when you can have both and never have to worry about compatibility issues again?
If you're in the laptop market, Lenovo does.
I've also said this before (on this blog, no less) and I'll say it again: Whether laptop or desktop, investigate the "business" lines of machines, not the "home" lines. The bargain-basement consumer-targeted desktops are cheap flaky garbage; you'll be much happier buying a business-line PC (especially since, as you say, you're looking for a reliable machine you can use for a long time).
For a desktop, give PC Club a try if you have any of their stores nearby. The store I frequent in Vegas has friendly knowledgeable geeks for employees, and a good workshop onsite. I haven't bought a complete system from them yet, but am seriously considering them for my next purchase of a desktop, probably sometime after the back to school rush settles down (I suspect prices will drop shortly thereafter). Talk to them, and explain your needs.
A few other thoughts: stay away from the newest bleeding-edge chipsets, and look at the 2nd-wave top of the line instead. Less likely to run into unforeseen problems that way. Load up on the RAM, with diligence, and pay for sticks from dependable manufacturers. If you can afford it, think about purchasing an external disk drive that is a the same as your main desktop drive. Keep the external ghosted to your main (software does this automatically). That way if you ever have a disk drive failure, you can simply switch it out, no pain.
1) Don't buy a home model, or even "home office:" Buy a business-grade model. My Dell Vostro is running fine in my son's graduate school environment. Important factor: the Vostro (as in the proposed configuration cited above) has a separate graphics card. On a laptop, this is more important than many realize, but also requires a solid internal cooling system. So get the business version. There's a sales cycle on all such machines: my fully-equipped Vostro cost $589. It might not be powerful enough for your needs, however, since upcoming software will require "big iron." You will likely do more video work in the future than you now know, since more and more material involves imbedding CPU-intensive tasks. My PowerPoints to government agencies or public presentations, for example, routinely involve imbedded animation or video to be effective; you can't just read the slides any more. Bottom line: even if you're not a gamer, power will be important.
2) Homebuilt machines are fine and don't require much expertise. If you want, you can get books on how to build your own, but these days, most of what you get just snaps together. But don't expect to save money; you just get a better performing machine, plus bragging rights. And, you don't want to build your own laptop, though customizing one your way is fairly easy these days.
3) Alternatively, you can find some companies that will build you a machine to your specifications. That, believe it or not, is what Dell does (disclaimer: Dell used to be a client). I use Velocity Microcomputers of Richmond, Virginia, which also sells through Best Buy now. Tech support is first-rate.
4) I have had major problems with NewEgg quality control, including endless shipments of bad memory sticks. And you will have to pay return shipping. I have not had a problem with TigerDirect; they do have a LOT of e-mail ads, though no worse than say MicroCenter. MicroCenter, by the way, has lost my business entirely, after a miserable sale and return of a defective house-brand laptop. It's like Fry's, without the personal touch.
5) HP has improved tremendously in the last couple of years. Carly Fiorina was forced out as CEO, but left a legacy of improvement behind. My most recent purchase was a HP laptop "special edition" open box, with no problems (other than a remote control which attacks fingernails). And my experience with HP customer support on a defective HP all-in-one was annoying, but they replaced the whole thing quickly and without cost or complaint. They also explained, in appropriately substantiated detail, the problem: on startup, the machine wants to draw full power, so being behind an UPS or even some control centers/surge protectors may confuse the internal processors. Since then, no problems with the machine.
YMMV.
My desktop is a Systemax and have NEVER had a problem with it. I have also heard great things about their laptops. You can find them at Tiger Direct or Systemaxpc.com. Solid PC, customizable, and great customer support.
If he's using a current MacBook, he's got a Core 2 Duo processor but if it's an older machine, it might be the older Core Duo chip.
The Core 2 Duo offered a good performance boost over its predecessor but the old chip was no slouch either.
Perhaps your adviser should contact tech support at Parallels and ask them to step through his configuration. It could be something as simple as not having enough RAM allocated to XP.
Insofar as "average hardware" - even entry level Macs have Core 2 Duo chips running at 2+ GHz. That's more than enough computing power to run multiple OS's.
In addition to a custom AMD 5600 machine running XP, I use a MacBook Pro with a 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo processor. The laptop runs OS X and XP and it's a fast, stable combination.