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Hints of a Republican Bounce.

Last week, while everyone was saying that the Democrats were not getting a bounce from their convention, I was one of the first people to note that there were hints of a big 8-10% bounce toward Obama, based on changes in the last day of one 3-day tracking poll.

Now I'm seeing the same thing for the same reasons in the Republican direction (though because of a CBS poll conducted before Palin's speech but released yesterday showing a dead heat, I am far from the first to note a probable Republican bounce).

Today, both the Gallup and the Rasmussen tracking polls are showing a 3% move in McCain's direction from the day before. That means that respondents polled on Thursday were 8-10% more favorable for the Republicans than those polled on Monday. If polling on Friday and Saturday continues in the same direction, that would point to a dead heat or insignificant lead for McCain by the 3-day tracking polls released on Sunday.

As I noted before, this might well not happen. There is a reason that the polling agencies use three-day averages.

JK:
It's pretty sad that up to 10% of the (voting!) population can be convinced one way or the other by an extended, and in both cases nearly content-free, infomercial.
9.5.2008 4:02pm
PLR:
Sixty-one more days of this, but who's counting?

OT, I understand there are quite a few lawyers around these parts voting for McCain, not because he utters anything remotely coherent, but because they are fans of divided government. Presumably, that means they voted for John Kerry in 2004.

So if your politically minded friends ask how it is possible that Kerry supporters might vote for McCain, you can just give the URL for this site.
9.5.2008 4:05pm
lawboy312:
I can't imagine what it must be like for people living in the various liberal bubbles right now., when faced with the reality: McCain outdraws Obama on TV; Palin and Obama are in a dead-heat regarding who is more experienced, and by the end of the weekend, McCain might have a lead in the national polls.

The crazy part is that it is becoming increasingly more clear that Obama is acting as a drag on the Democrats this cycle. Hillary might not be 15 ahead, but there's no way that Generic White Male Democratic Senator is not double digits up on McCain right now nationally. No way. For Christ's sake, Kerry, Gore, and the Duke all had double digit leads at this point. Obama is a sensation, undoubtedly. He has lit a fire under a lot of people. But it seems like he's lit a fire under former Kerry voters. That may be enough given turnout effects, and he may yet close the deal with conservative dems and independents, but for a prez candidate to be running this far behind the generic congressional poll is just wierd.

Surely, racial/ethnic/muslim/urban/harvard/funny name issues are a big part of it. But it can't help that people are split on whether he's more experienced than Palin. That's disturbing! Bad move of the week was the dems defending "community organizing"; regardless of the actual nature of that job (which isn't that impressive when you get down to it), it sounds way too much like a condescending elite bullshit racket. They'd be better off just calling him a labor leader or political ground game operative.
9.5.2008 4:06pm
Anderson (mail):
I would be very surprised if there *weren't* a GOP bounce -- there always is after a convention.

The news would be if no bounce occurred.
9.5.2008 4:06pm
smitty1e:
JK:
Why should pretty heads be bothered?
Neither conference of the political football league addresses one of the more significant points, in any case:
http://perotcharts.com/category/challenges-charts/page/14
9.5.2008 4:08pm
EH (mail):
I'm still waiting for an "Inevitable President Palin" survey.

But aren't we still in the realm of polling people as to the best TV show ever right after the season finale of American Idol? That is, I've been seeing polls that say all kinds of things for the past week, which tells me that there really isn't any settled methodology, or at least anything I can base an opinion on (besides "gut").
9.5.2008 4:08pm
EH (mail):
That's a good one, smitty.
9.5.2008 4:10pm
PLR:
I can't imagine what it must be like for people living in the various liberal bubbles right now., when faced with the reality: McCain outdraws Obama on TV; Palin and Obama are in a dead-heat regarding who is more experienced, and by the end of the weekend, McCain might have a lead in the national polls.

Lack of imagination is symptomatic of conservatives in general. I'll help you out though: liberals tend to be realists who don't fret about early September opinion polls, because historically they don't correlate with the final outcome.

Liberals also do not condescend, but then I never claimed to be a liberal.
9.5.2008 4:36pm
Asher (mail):
According to fivethirtyeight.com, the Thursday, post-Palin samples were +1-2 for Obama. Maybe today's samples will slightly favor McCain.
9.5.2008 4:40pm
Per Son:
I said that I would not ever respond again based on some flame wars (arguments regarding Dems being happy with every aborted fetus, and another responding by saying he likes to eat them). Alas, I am back.

I find the Gallup poll interesting as it finds much more support for Palin from men than women. So if it is women they are after, yeesh. On the other hand, the first poll since her speech hardly represents a trend in any direction. Those polls are also not always informative since I would rate Palin very highly, and she seems like a perfectly decent person and politician, that I disagree with on so many levels - but decent nonetheless.
9.5.2008 4:41pm
PC:
Can we refer to the Republican Bounce as the Republican Toe Tap? No? I'll get my coat...
9.5.2008 4:44pm
Per Son:
Also, McCain, I think, needs to hide away from Palin's positions. I have met more than a few women in Virginia who were considering that McCain just might be the guy after Palin's speech. That ended when my wife and I let them know of Palin's extreme pro-life, prayer in school, creationism, and probably the biggest stopper - no man-made global warming.
9.5.2008 4:44pm
When I read this, I laughed so hard I spit my coffee out.:
"Liberals also do not condescend"
9.5.2008 4:53pm
cboldt (mail):
-- McCain, I think, needs to hide away from Palin's positions. ... extreme pro-life, prayer in school, creationism, and probably the biggest stopper - no man-made global warming. --
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I think McCain has the same positions, except the one that you flag as "probably the biggest stopper." And even there, the difference plays out not so much in whether they believe global warming [exists, or is man made] as in the energy policies they advocate. I believe both McCain and Palin advocate "drill drill drill" and increased use of US minerals as sources of energy.
9.5.2008 4:57pm
Angus:
Well, to be fair Palin is much more extremist on abortion than McCain. Palin favors outlawing abortion without any provision for rape, incest, or the health of the mother (only the very narrower "life of the mother").

And I don't really think McCain believes the "drill, drill, drill" refrain, but he has to parrot it to have a shot at winning.
9.5.2008 5:02pm
Soronel Haetir (mail):
I still have yet to see anything backing up the claims with regard to Palin's position on abortion in the case of rape/incest. The only quote I've seen on this issue is personal advocacy, not any claim that such a position should be forced on others.
9.5.2008 5:13pm
Virginian:

liberals tend to be realists who don't fret about early September opinion polls, because historically they don't correlate with the final outcome.


Yeah, the liberal usually (at least in recent history) ends up losing despite the big lead in the September opinion polls.
9.5.2008 5:16pm
Skip Kent (mail):
"Liberals also do not condescend"

Wow, and I mean WOW! THIS is comedy!
9.5.2008 5:18pm
Palin & Abortion:
IN response to the following question on a questionnaire preceding the gubernatorial election:
1. Complete the sentence by checking the applicable phrases (you can check more than one).
Abortion should be:
Banned throughout entire pregnancy.
__ Legal to save the life of the mother.
__ Legal in case of rape and incest.
__ Legal if the baby is handicapped.
__ Legal if the baby has a genetic defect.
__ Legal in the first trimester.
__ Legal in the second trimester.
__ Legal in the third trimester.
__ Other:__________________

Palin replied:
"I am pro-life. With the exception of a doctor's determination that the mother's life would end if the pregnancy continued. I believe that no matter what mistakes we make as a society, we cannot condone ending an innocent's life."

She pretty much rejected the option for rape/incest electing only the first.
9.5.2008 5:19pm
EIDE_Interface (mail):
I'm so glad McCain didn't mention "global warming". The less said about that lie the better. No need to legitimize it!
9.5.2008 5:22pm
Angus:
The questionnaire Palin filled out in 2006 with her answers:
PALIN: I am pro-life. With the exception of a doctor's determination that the mother's life would end if the pregnancy continued. I believe that no matter what mistakes we make as a society, we cannot condone ending an innocent's life.
Link
9.5.2008 5:23pm
Justin (mail):
"Skip Kent (mail):
"Liberals also do not condescend"

Wow, and I mean WOW! THIS is comedy!"

Skip, did you consider the irony in your post before making said post?
9.5.2008 5:24pm
JRL:

Skip, did you consider the irony in your post before making said post?

Ah, you fell for the trap. I imagine Skip is not a liberal, but you are!
9.5.2008 5:34pm
The Ace (mail):
liberals tend to be realists

Really?
How does the inability to credit "the surge" and the US successes in Iraq fit into that meme?
9.5.2008 5:34pm
Per Son:
Dude, I am totally liberal and laughed at the "liberals don't condescend comment." That is like saying conservatives aren't ever stiff and starchy.
9.5.2008 5:36pm
Per Son:
I have two Republican friends that live in Maryland and I make fun of them, because no matter who they vote for it is going blue. I said it could only be worse for you if you moved to where I live - DC.

They have been refraining from voting recently, because they are the "taxes suck" Republicans - I'd say Goldwater types, not the social conservative type.
9.5.2008 5:41pm
XXX:
Please tell me the relevance of a potential presidents position on abortion on the details you are talking about. The President would never have the3 power to decide about rape or incest exceptions. If Roe is overturned, the people of the various states would make the law.
9.5.2008 5:43pm
TCO:
Drill, baby, drill! Say it like a mantra. It carries and intimidates. We will buttfuck the Democrats yet. Oh...I was so going to vote for Barr, but now with freestate Palin, I'm ready for making Democraps unhappy.
9.5.2008 5:45pm
Per Son:
XXX:

Well, the abortion issue is kind of important to a lot of voters now, as is health care, Iraq, and other issues. So it is relevant.
9.5.2008 5:46pm
TCO:
Drill, baby, drill has this sort of menace to it. I just fucking love it. Next the lawyers cab debate if its assualt.
9.5.2008 5:47pm
PC:
Please tell me the relevance of a potential presidents position on abortion on the details you are talking about. The President would never have the3 power to decide about rape or incest exceptions.


It's not relevant to being a mayor either, but apparently it was a position Gov. Palin ran on.
9.5.2008 5:47pm
Spitzer:
Right now we're seeing the "Palin bounce" more than anything - what's impressive is that it is in the 8-10 point range. In fact, Obama only received an 8-10 point bounce overall, so in a way, Palin's bounce (if it holds!) would equal that of the Dem Convention.

However, we won't have 3 post-Palin speech polling days until Sunday, and by then we might see a small McCain lead (+2-4 range) if the 8-10 "Palin bounce" holds. By Monday, we'll be able to measure that against the "McCain bounce".

If the Palin bounce holds, and if McCain is at least not a drag on that bounce, we'll see a dead-even race tomorrow from Gallup and Rasmussen (probably even in Ras and +1 Obama in Gallup).
9.5.2008 5:49pm
Soronel Haetir (mail):
Angus,

Thanks, I had previously only seen a question about what she would want her own daughter to do in such circumstances.
9.5.2008 5:55pm
Anderson (mail):
We will buttfuck the Democrats yet.

Doesn't that violate the GOP platform?

Though the party's commitment to "drilling" in *that* sense has a fair amount of empirical support -- Larry Craig, that intern-texting guy, ....
9.5.2008 5:56pm
CB55 (mail):
Sorry McCain boosters, but this is not a case about Libs vs Cons. The question of the day is do people want another 4 more years of GOP rule. If people trust and like GOP White House rule, McCain is their man, but if the GOP failed it's job review then Obama is their man. McCain can and does talk the talk that he is not Bush, but at the end of the day he is joined at the hip because he is of the same party and he takes many of the same positions on the issues. Frank Luntz gave the GOP his best advice and the GOP took off with it - be vague on the real issues, and do not talk about the real things Cons and the GOP believe in such as abortion, sex education, birth control and domestic policy such as health care. Cons and the GOP will talk tax cuts but they have not figured out how we are going to pay for both domestic spending and the War with out asking China to write the check or OPEC to lower oil prices. As David Cay Johnston and Kevin Philips has put it the GOP knows that when the free market fails the rich can always ask the middle class to bail them out, but the end of days is near and soon there will be no middle class, but then I guess the rich will ask the needy to take out the trash
9.5.2008 5:58pm
cboldt (mail):
-- It's not relevant to being a mayor either, but apparently it was a position Gov. Palin ran on. --
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She was asked about it ... I have no idea if it was a substantive issue in the gubernatorial race, and even if it was, she won.
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I have to admit seeing a difference between her position and that of McCain on this point. I personally don't see much difference in the position (at least not so that I think McCain has to distance himself from Palin's position), and figure there are very few people whose vote hinges on PRECISELY that single point. I.e., a candidate's stated position on the "rape or incest" exception.
9.5.2008 6:02pm
JK:
People always jump on this stuff so fast, variation by a few points happens all the time in these tracking polls, and it's not always the result of the pet news item of the person looking at the poll. We'll see next week the result of this last news cycle, there's no reason to start making wild predictions.
9.5.2008 6:04pm
CB55 (mail):
The GOP and the DNC both know that the only poll that matters now thru Oct is the electoral vote and the movements of the swing states. Voters are fickle and soon their honeymoon will be over with Palin and they will decide if they wanna keep her or send her back to a moose hunt
9.5.2008 6:06pm
PC:
cboldt: Apparently she ran on it as mayor, which was extremely odd since it's not really an issue mayors deal with.

JK: I'm going with Barr by 20 points. I'm a maverick!
9.5.2008 6:08pm
TCO:
CB55: I was with you. Was going to throw my vote away on Barr. I think we actually do better as a party in opposition. But Palin has my motor running.
9.5.2008 6:09pm
TCO:
CB55: I was with you. Was going to throw my vote away on Barr. I think we actually do better as a party in opposition. But Palin has my motor running.
9.5.2008 6:09pm
TCO:
If you think it's a person, than why kill it because it origninated from rape. Or incest (that seems to be advocating abortion of possible deformities also?...or is it just exploiting the taboo? As the child could be adopted, no?)

Note, I'm not saying I think it's a person.

Also, I really thought Palin was composed and honest and looked things in the eye when asked about this position in 2006 debates. She knows a weasely position would help her more, but she doesn't think it makes intellectual sense. Good girl. Volokh-heads should appreciate that. Y'all are so damn logical and all.
9.5.2008 6:15pm
PC:
If you think it's a person, than why kill it because it origninated from rape.


If you think it's a person the logical conclusion would be to charge any woman that gets an abortion for capital murder...
9.5.2008 6:19pm
TCO:
John Brown's body lies a mouldering in the grave...
9.5.2008 6:22pm
cboldt (mail):
-- If you think it's a person, than why kill it because it origninated from rape. Or incest ... --
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My sense of the calculus pertaining to the rape/incest exception is that the pregnant woman didn't have a choice (to get laid) in the cases of incest and rape, hence, she shouldn't be accountable or responsible to carry out the burden of pregnancy.

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But, as you point out, when the rock bottom isn't accountability of the mother, but the care that ought to be given to "nature" in the form of a potential human, then the line must be drawn in a different place.
9.5.2008 6:28pm
CB55 (mail):
Palin had better speech writers, she is good for the camera and she can act. McCain is well old, ugly and yes he looks like a cripple. The GOP hopes that the DNC makes the race about Palin so they can pay the gender bias and anti Liberal press card, or antihero Mccain card. The honeymoon is over in 2 weeks and no one will see much of the soccer mom but iron witch woman of the west
9.5.2008 6:32pm
PersonFromPorlock:
PLR:
"[L]iberals tend to be realists", meet "Liberals also do not condescend."

Actually, Liberals give policy to God and are outraged when He doesn't comply.
9.5.2008 6:33pm
Syd Henderson (mail):


-- McCain, I think, needs to hide away from Palin's positions. ... extreme pro-life, prayer in school, creationism, and probably the biggest stopper - no man-made global warming. --
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I think McCain has the same positions, except the one that you flag as "probably the biggest stopper."


McCain's a creationist?
9.5.2008 6:38pm
PLR:
Actually, Liberals give policy to God and are outraged when He doesn't comply.

That's a good line too.

Somehow I had a feeling that a mocking, dissonant phrase like "liberals don't condescend" would draw reactions, while the direct insult of "conservatives lack imagination" would go unremarked.

Have a good weekend all. And for God's sake watch those polls, you don't want to miss anything.
9.5.2008 6:41pm
CB55 (mail):
Palin is wife #3 - compassionate conservatism with an iron face that can smile and that says a lot about a small woman from a big state
9.5.2008 6:42pm
cboldt (mail):
-- McCain's a creationist? --
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Beats me. The political question is whether creationism should appear in a child's education.

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John McCain: I think that there has to be all points of view presented. But they've got to be thoroughly presented. So to say that you can only teach one line of thinking I don't think is - or one belief on how people and the world was created - I think there's nothing wrong with teaching different schools of thought.
Transcript of John McCain's roundtable discussion with Star editors - 2005
Hat tip to: McCain To Deliver Keynote Speech For Creationists
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[Cindy] McCain: I think both sides should be taught in schools.
CBS Evening News Anchor Katie Couric Interviews Cindy McCain - Sept 3, 2008
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Palin: creationism (should be discussed in schools)
Sarah Palin on faith, life and creation
9.5.2008 7:01pm
CB55 (mail):
Life moves very slow in Alaska so slow that people like Palin is not aware that sex subject data and information is available 24/7 to adults and kids alike and there is not much her or McCain office can do about it unless they both enjoy a police state. The underground black market for chemical abortions is waiting to take off if Roe vs Wade is reversed. Just how long have we been at war with gambling, alcohol, the adult sex trade, Mexican organic gold, and cocaine.
9.5.2008 7:05pm
CB55 (mail):
Cboldt:

You gotta remember they did some awful things to McCain in Nam, they treated him like a monkey. LOL. Now when a man like McCain fell that low in a cage he had to survive the best he could. He had to deny his cousins - the other primates he shared his cell with. "I'm a human being damit.", he protested as the Cong poked him with a stick.

After dumping wife #1 he went to being a real man and every one knew that a man that married a woman that was good looking and rich knows something about money and the world and is smarter than most no matter his career record or class rank.
9.5.2008 7:15pm
CB55 (mail):
I keep coming back to it. The GOP keeps talking about the wisdom and experience of McCain and military record. He sits on the Senate Armed Services Comm. He votes for the war. We go into war with out a plan for exit or occupation. Men write home for armor or at the dump. They buy boots on eBay. McCain thinks a handshake and a smile is enough for the wounded and if the family must they should apply for welfare and food stamps. He sits on the rock of shame. We know the surge is working because we bribe both sides, but when the money stops things fall apart.
9.5.2008 7:30pm
Anderson (mail):
Men write home for armor or at the dump. They buy boots on eBay.

Every now &then I have a moment of clarity, &wonder why stuff like that hasn't resulted in Bush's being lynched. By his GOP faithful, no less.
9.5.2008 7:43pm
Railroad Gin:
Just in terms of the political dynamics (not the correctness or the position) -- Why is Palin's far-right pro-life position any worse than Obama far-left pro-choice position that supports some forms of post-birth infanticide. This one is a wash.

These cultural issues really are where liberals are in a bubble. They think everyone thinks like them and decide to attack the Republicans on these issues. Then it blows up in their face. Time and time again, polls and election results show that as to those voters who actuaally vote on abortion, guns, etc. more of them support the conservative position.

With the nomination of Palin the GOP is saying "Please don't make abortion an issue, please don't makes guns an issue and please don't through me in that briar patch." I can't believe the libs will fall into this trap.
9.5.2008 7:54pm
CB55 (mail):
Anderson:

Cheney said it best. He said it on TV news. He said that our military are all volunteers. In another point he said, "So what!?" It's all so sad, funny and tragic at the same time.

My wife does workers comp. She can tell you how much an arm or part of a finger is worth. She works it out by age, income, career etc. She even does it for the dead. Corporate America talks about wounded vets, but they do not hire many except for window dress. Most they claim are ill prepared for the real world so they get juiced on drugs, booze and all of the wicked things of the mind. Some exit with suicide or kill their wives, or just simmer with Depression.

This is what you get when Bush demands that we go shopping and not worry about war.
9.5.2008 7:55pm
CB55 (mail):
Railroad Gin:

The media and the GOP does not want the sheep to know that McCain does not want to talk about social issues and that means the economy and abortion too. If he opens his mouth he must talk about Enron, the S&L scandal and Phil Gramm, Palin must address her failure as a mama and a leader as to sex education, and she must talk about public censorship by the state.
9.5.2008 8:02pm
TCO:
1. The war is a mistake.

2. McCain is a bottom of the class type.

3. His resistance to torture was brave.

4. The boots and kerfuffle about Veterans Admin and stuff is a misdirection. The troops are relatively well supplied. There have always been issues. Always been people buying things on their own. As someone with many years service (up to 2007), I hated the whole veterans crap. It is such a money hole. Such a meme sink. War is about killing the enemy. Not about GI Bills. And definitely not about Family Service Centers.

5. Given that the War is a mistake, strategically, the thing that makes me sad is the lives and limbs we are spending inefficiently. Really wish that we could end this Bushian Feithian silliness. This refusal to face facts. It's disgusting. Makes me want to (literally) klop heads.
9.5.2008 8:07pm
CB55 (mail):
Railroad Gin:

I can not speak for Libs, but if you ask me I think if the government wants to get into the birth control and abortion biz they gotta play Big Daddy and start being a more active parent. Provide for day care, early education, latch key kid help, early medical help and prenatal care. How about better family leave and home care. How about helping foster kids, orphans and their families. How about special programs for special needs kids and their families. It's easy to ban abortion and birth control, but the consequences takes more work
9.5.2008 8:12pm
CB55 (mail):
TCO:

It is a fact that the National Guard and the Reserves (our Other military) operate in a different universe from the regular Army and they do not have the same equipment. When we entered the war it is a fact that our Other army/marines was ill prepared and equipped for the the initial fight or occupation. Most folks do not know that the Other military do not enjoy the same benefits in many areas as the regular army. Since this is not a Declared War even the death benefits are not the same.
9.5.2008 8:24pm
TCO:
Active parent? Screw that. Get a gun and kill moose. Take care of yourself.
9.5.2008 8:29pm
andrejsv:
Regarding: "Sorry McCain boosters, but this is not a case about Libs vs Cons. The question of the day is do people want another 4 more years of GOP rule."

I thought that both Houses are currently under democratic control. The questions is: Do we want another 4 years of Democratic rule? I say no.

Without a line item veto the President is pretty much powerless under this situation. I say give Palin (and McCain) a line item veto.
9.5.2008 8:58pm
CB55 (mail):
You and I know who has had the magic pen in the White House for the past 8 years and you and I know what party that can not over come a veto because they need the help of the GOP. You and I know who has corrupted bills with Executive Signing statements.

Bush has been the president for the past 8 years. While Democrats have a slight majority in both houses they can not muster to over come a single veto because they need a super majority. Thus they alone can not impeach Bush or pass any bill that Bush does not like.
9.5.2008 9:18pm
Hoosier:
Per Son: "I have two Republican friends that live in Maryland"

BOTH of MD's Republicans are your friends?! Now THAT'S reaching across the aisle.
9.5.2008 9:19pm
Hoosier:
" The underground black market for chemical abortions is waiting to take off if Roe vs Wade is reversed. Just how long have we been at war with gambling, alcohol, the adult sex trade, Mexican organic gold, and cocaine."

(Alcohol is illegal? When the f*** did that happen?)
9.5.2008 9:23pm
CB55 (mail):
andrejsv:

It is the case that the Democrats became congressional majorities only in 2005, but they are not super majorities and that means by law they alone can that overcome an executive veto. In the USA congress, one needs a two thirds vote in both the House and Senate to override a Presidential veto of legislation.
9.5.2008 9:29pm
Hoosier:
"In the USA congress, one needs a two thirds vote in both the House and Senate to override a Presidential veto of legislation."

(The Constitution has been amended again? When the f*** did that happen?)
9.5.2008 9:35pm
CB55 (mail):
Hoosier:

It is still illegal for you to make and sell booze with out a permit and you can face sever penalties from your state as well as the USA government, and if you ask any wine maker he'll tell you that booze is also overly regulated product. You can not buy mass quantities of booze with out a permit. There is a fire wall between beer, wine and liquor sales, marketing and distribution.
9.5.2008 9:37pm
CB55 (mail):
Hooser:

The word "veto" does not appear in the United States Constitution. Per U.S. Const., Article I, Section 7 all legislation passed by both houses of Congress must be presented to the President. This presentation is in the President's capacity as head of state.

If the President approves of the legislation, he signs it (sign into law). If he does not approve, he must return the bill, unsigned, within ten days, excluding Sundays, to the house of the United States Congress in which it originated, while the Congress is in session. The President is constitutionally required to state his objections to the legislation in writing, and the Congress is constitutionally required to consider them, and to reconsider the legislation. This action, in effect, is a veto.

If the Congress overrides the veto by a two-thirds majority in each house, it becomes law without the President's signature. Otherwise, the bill fails to become law unless it is presented to the President again and he chooses to sign it.
9.5.2008 9:47pm
Angus:
Ugh. I watched McCain today give the most dishonest 5 minute speech I think I have every witnessed. I've lost my respect for him and am now ashamed to have supported him in the 2000 primaries. In the course of 5 minutes, he repeated the following untruths:

1. Palin stopped the bridge to nowhere
2. Palin sold the jet on Ebay for a profit (she didn't manage to sell it on Ebay, and it wasn't at a profit when she finally did)

-and-

then McCain uncorked a new one I hadn't heard before. He said that Obama had never reached across party lines to pass bipartisan legislation. Maybe McCain is senile or something, but I guess he doesn't remember the 2006 "Transparency Act" co-authored by Tom Coburn, Tom Carper, Barack Obama, and...John McCain.
9.5.2008 10:06pm
CB55 (mail):
The game plan is simple. The GOP would rather you not focus on the past 8 years, and not talk about the the McCain record. Many folks came or tuned in to the RNC for a new GOP but they got the old one with added cup holders for more bull shi$. Stop counting the empty seats - the none-White head count was lower than it was 4 years ago. Believe it or not lots of Republicans are being hurt by this economy and they stayed home.

Note that the GOP this year has no vision or mission and no one wants to talk about the record, bt they do want to talk about hope, faith, touchy things of metaphysics.

I cringe when they say no taxes because that means more debt and asking China to write a check. Drilling for more oil means a long wait for it and melting ice
9.5.2008 11:47pm
Smokey:
Apropos of all of CB55's comments on this thread is this one, which assumes the election is in October [hint: it's always the 2nd Tues. in November, but who's counting?]

CB55:
The GOP and the DNC both know that the only poll that matters now thru Oct is the electoral vote and the movements of the swing states. Voters are fickle and soon their honeymoon will be over with Palin and they will decide if they wanna keep her or send her back to a moose hunt.
But let's have some compassion for poor CB55. He's fighting an uphill battle against this irresistible force.
9.6.2008 12:04am
Hoosier:
Smokey--I'm sure that picture is Photoshopped. And I don't care.
9.6.2008 12:06am
Smokey:
Hoosier:

Juicy, isn't it?

Like a peach.
9.6.2008 12:07am
Hoosier:
"Like a peach."

Do I dare to . . . ?

(No. Todd looks like he could kick my arse.)
9.6.2008 12:19am
CB55 (mail):
Smokey:

Unlike McCain I'm not into Pumas.
9.6.2008 12:21am
Hoosier:
CB55--Yeah. I was just kidding on the second one. You know, the parallelism and all.

Ah, forget about it.
9.6.2008 12:21am
CB55 (mail):
Hoosier:

You nailed me. Ouch!
9.6.2008 12:24am
CB55 (mail):
Hoosier:


I wish I knew and understood the American attitude toward drugs (of any kind) and alcohol. To me it's a study of a dysfunctional personality.
9.6.2008 12:35am
CB55 (mail):
Smokey:

The head does not match the body - the execution was done well
9.6.2008 12:37am
Hoosier:
"The head does not match the body"

But does the carpet match the curtains?
9.6.2008 12:48am
CB55 (mail):
Hoosier: Who cares about the carpets or curtains?
9.6.2008 12:57am
CB55 (mail):
One of many questions facing organizers of the Republican National Convention was this: In an election about change, how would the GOP reconcile the toxic unpopularity of the president without bashing George W. Bush? The resounding answer: Pretend he's not there.

George Bush's name was uttered once—once!—throughout the entire RNC in speeches reviewed by Slate.

slate.com
9.6.2008 1:24am
Hoosier:
"The head does not match the body - the execution was done well"

Funny. That's exactly the opposite of what they said about Mary Queen of Scots.
9.6.2008 7:15am