Co-blogger Eric Posner writes:
Ilya, citing a column by Steven Landsburg, asks why a bailout is necessary. In Landsburg’s words, “Just because the banks disappear doesn't mean the lenders will. Borrowers will still want to borrow and lenders will still want to lend. The only question is whether they'll be able to find each other.” That’s the question and the problem with answering the question is that no one knows the answer. History suggests, however, that the probability they won’t “find each other” is not zero; let’s call it one percent. If there is a one percent chance that the current financial meltdown causes a catastrophic outcome—not just people out of work and the reduction in the standard of living, but predictable bursts of xenophobia, beggar-thy-neighbor policies, global political instability, and all the rest—how much should the government do to prevent that from happening and at what cost?
Let's assume there is a small chance that, absent a bailout, there will be a "catastrophic outcome" of the sort Eric describes. That possibility is not by itself sufficient to justify the bailout. One also has to consider the risks of the bailout itself. Some of these are highly likely to happen, such as hundreds of billions of dollars of expenses borne by taxpayers, the creation of moral hazard for industries who will expect to be bailed out in the future, and the economic inefficiency caused by government control of a large part of the economy. In addition, there is a small but probably nonzero risk that the bailout itself might lead to a "catastrophic outcome" thatt goes beyond the onerous costs described above.
For example, despite the two year sunset provision in the draft legislation, that legislation might end up getting extended, leading to permanent government control of the finance industry, and an eventual monopolization of finance by government; a future administration could claim that the government cannot manage its massive portfolio of finance firms efficiently unless it has a monopoly of lending, and future, economically illiterate public opinion, might buy the claim. That in turn might lead to a severe permanent decline in our standard of living, as we spiral into quasi-socialism. By transferring enormous resources from successful businesses to failing ones, the bailout could also damage the economy enough to cause a deep recession, which in turn could lead to "predictable bursts of xenophobia, beggar-thy-neighbor policies, global political instability, and all the rest."
I don't consider these scenarios to be likely. But if we are going to justify the bailout by weighing low-probability catastrophic risks, we have to consider both sides of the equation. We can't defend the bailout by claiming that it might stop a low-probability catastrophic event without considering the possibility that it might itself become the cause of such a catastrophe.
There are low-probability catastrophic risks on both sides. When you consider the fact that the bailout also has severe non-catastrophic costs that have a very high probability of occurring, the case for it still hasn't been made.
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Your imagined catastrophic risks + possible severe non-catastrophic risks outweigh Eric's imagined catastrophic risks + possible severe non-catastrophic risks?
Welcome to the new math!
(perhaps it would be best to give a little money to delay a complete meltdown and save the big check until we can, y'know, analyze the situation a little?)
"Based on such safety concerns, US federal judge Richard Posner and Future of Humanity Institute research associate Toby Ord have argued that the LHC experiments are too risky to undertake."
See the Relevant Wikipedia Entry.
But one of the risks that you enumerate is
"the economic inefficiency caused by government control of a large part of the economy."
In light of the performance of AIG and Lehman and so on as private firms, and theimpact on the economy, perhaps the reflexive dig at government is a touch out of place here. I'm not going to argue that the govt should run these firms long term, or will do a spectacular job, but shouldn't you ease up just a bit on the whole "govt bad - private good" slogan?
1) loans would still be available because "retail" banks would still issue loans.
2) New companies would immediately emerge that could perform the same functions that the collapsed investment banks were doing -- its not as if there would be a whole lot of people who knew how to put together an IPO looking for work.
Any "bailout" has to pay for itself.... first, higher income tax rates on upper income individuals, second, no tax rate preference for unearned (ie capital gains) income, and (possibly) a temporary "wealth tax" on those with assets over $10,000,000.
The robber barons who built this house of cards are the ones who should be hit with the burden of fixing things --and if they don't like it, too bad.
In light of the performance of AIG and Lehman and so on as private firms, and theimpact on the economy, perhaps the reflexive dig at government is a touch out of place here. I'm not going to argue that the govt should run these firms long term, or will do a spectacular job, but shouldn't you ease up just a bit on the whole "govt bad - private good" slogan?
The difference is that AIG and Lehman will, absent a bailout, be forced to shut down and their capital transferred to other, more efficient firms. If the government makes bad decisions, it won't be similarly punished or lose its powers.
I don't see a good argument that the bailout prevents "severe non-catastrophic risks" that would otherwise occur with a high probability.
Maybe the bailout is the equivalent of going to Mexico for cancer treatment.
I think Mahan Atma at 11:57 is on the right track. I don't worry too much about 1% scenarios, but last year I asked myself whether I should drastically adjust my (boring long-term) investment strategy if I thought there was a 25% chance of a meltdown in the dollar and in the U.S. financial system, recognizing that the U.S. has a knack for dragging others down with it.
The question answered itself.
Paulson Testimony on Turmoil in U.S. Credit Markets
The following is testimony by Secretary Henry M. Paulson before the Senate Banking Committee today:
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I have heard some people write that we narrowly avoided a "collapse" of some sort. As if the stock market falling 20 to 40% and housing prices by a similar amount would be a catastrophe. Can we artificially prop up these things forever? That has to be paid for from somewhere else. Our resources are finite.
1. What capital? That argument makes some sense for firms whose capital is hard physical assets or valuable intellectual property. I don't think it applies when the capital in question is financial assets of dubious value.
2.Well. It's true the "govt" in general won't lose its power in the short term by making bad decisions, though some specific individuals will.
3. The bad decisions made by the AIG's and Lehmans affect those of us who have no involvement in the firms. They are able, as we are all learning, to impose substantial social risk for private gain. That doesn't strike me as an ideal situation either.
So, as I said, even though govt operation here is not ideal, the easy libertarian dig is really not justified.
Eventually. Maybe. Grocery store shelves would empty and gas stations would dry up first.