The Austin American-Statesman reports:
A judge in Travis County has ordered a woman to stop having children as a condition of her probation in her case of injury to a child by omission, an extraordinary measure that legal experts say could be unconstitutional.
The order was for Felicia Salazar, 20, who admitted to failing to provide protection and medical care to her then-19-month-old daughter last year. The girl suffered broken bones and other injuries when she was beaten by her father, Roberto Alvarado, 25, who was sentenced to 15 years in prison. Alvarado and Salazar relinquished their parental rights, and the child, who has recovered, was placed in foster care.
On Sept. 5, state District Judge Charlie Baird sentenced Salazar, who had no criminal history, to 10 years of probation after she reached a plea bargain with prosecutors.... In addition to requiring Salazar to perform 100 hours of community service and to undergo a mental health assessment and setting other typical conditions, Baird told Salazar not to have any more children.
In an interview Wednesday, Baird said Texas law gives judges the discretion to set any conditions of probation deemed reasonable. He also said that neither Salazar nor her lawyer, Kent Anschutz, objected....
Conditions of probation are enforced by putting a defendant in jail or prison when they are violated.
I can't speak to Texas law, but generally probation conditions are constitutional -- even when they restrict constitutional rights such as the freedom of speech or the freedom of association -- whenever they are "reasonably related to legitimate penological interests," a test that is easy to meet. The theory is that if the defendant is imprisoned, she would lose a great many of her constitutional rights, under the same standard, and the rule should be the same if the judge gives her probation instead of a prison sentence. And this theory would seem to apply to the right to have children as well: If you're imprisoned, you have no constitutional right to have children or even to have sex, so a court should likewise be able to impose a similar restriction if you're put on probation. Such "the greater power [here, imprisonment, which would generally prevent having children] includes the lesser [here, a probation condition that imposes a similar prohibition]" arguments don't always work -- but they do work in many situations.
To quote an earlier Wisconsin Supreme Court case that's alluded to in the article, State v. Oakley (2001):
[A]s a condition of probation, a father of nine children, who has intentionally refused to pay child support, can be required to avoid having another child, unless he shows that he can support that child and his current children.... [I]n light of Oakley's ongoing victimization of his nine children and extraordinarily troubling record manifesting his disregard for the law, this anomalous condition -- imposed on a convicted felon facing the far more restrictive and punitive sanction of prison -- is not overly broad and is reasonably related to Oakley's rehabilitation. Simply put, because Oakley was convicted of intentionally refusing to pay child support -- a felony in Wisconsin -- and could have been imprisoned for six years, which would have eliminated his right to procreate altogether during those six years, this probation condition, which infringes on his right to procreate during his term of probation, is not invalid under these facts.
Some might ask whether a judge could likewise restrict probationers from having sex. The answer, I think, is that the same general rule would apply, but it would usually yield a different result as to probationers' sexual relations than as to prisoners' sexual relations, since there's not much of a legitimate penological interest served by a "no sex even when you're outside prison" rule.
On the other hand, judges do often impose rules limiting a probationer's association with particular people who are seen as bad for the probationer's rehabilitation, such as fellow gang members; such a rule would indeed end up limiting sexual contact between the probationer and those people, as well as other kinds of contact. And at least one case I saw, State v. Henriksen, 690 N.W.2d 885 (Wisc. App. 2004) (unpublished), upheld an order -- aimed chiefly at preventing the probationer, who was also convicted for failing to pay child support, from having more children -- prohibiting a probationer "from having any sexual relations unless he has the explicit permission of his probation agent": "[Henriksen] may not have sexual intercourse with a woman until ... the probation agent is convinced that Mr. Henriksen is ready to either accept responsibility for any offspring, [or] is ready to prevent conception, and, secondly, that the probation officer is satisfied that any potential partner of Mr. Henriksen knows of his failure to support in the past and knows of the need to protect herself."
So I'm not sure that this sort of restriction is particularly likely to be wise or effective; but my tentative sense is that under current law it is indeed constitutional. On the other hand, Doug Laycock, a very knowledgeable constitutional law scholar whose work I much respect, takes a different view (quoted in the article).
While the medicine/mechanics/technology for complying with this sort of order are far less onerous than they were one hundred years or so ago (Hey, if I'd been Mr. Oakley's lawyer I'd would have gotten him vasectomized before he blinked...) as noted, they aren't completely fool-proof, and it often seems that these pillars of society, (rather than the long-married, two-income couple who've been trying to have a child for years) are inevitably those for whom multi-means contraception seems to manage to fail.
205.83(a) and (b) to impose the condition. For the Fourth Department's decision seek the following link.
QUESTION: Professor, given the fact that urban crime is 1 of the most troubling aspects of our society, do you agree with the proposition that the biologic perpetrators of urban crime (the parents) should be held partially responsible for the crimes of their children? Should not the same rules that got the lawyer 15 years in San Francisco (see the pit bull attack that killed a woman) obtain for humans?
Thanks for the consideration.
An epilogue: Mr. Henriksen was later caught by his probation officer receiving oral sex from a girlfriend without advance permission. In his defense, he said "I did not have sexual relations with that woman".
I was thinking: WTF? Fualaau wasn't a party to this case -- how can he possibly be stripped of his right to see whomever he wants? In the actual event, Faulaau successfully applied to the court to have the ban lifted; but whether the judge considered it a matter of right or a matter of compassion, I have no idea.
Onerous? Look all she has to do is never have sexual intercourse again. In the grand scheme of things, that's not all that onerous.
There are some folks who just shouldn't be having kids. Period.
Right. The question is, to whom do we delegate power to make such a ruling?
Look all she has to do is never have sexual intercourse again. In the grand scheme of things, that's not all that onerous.
Dude, *your* grand scheme of things does not much resemble *my* grand scheme of things.
I don't see why it is unconstitutional - if the judge throws her in prison, she won't be having sex (legally, I am not counting prison abuse) and definitely not having babies, so stipulating that as a condition of probation she shouldn't have babies doesn't seem wrong.
The folks going on about rape, pls chill.
Is your criminal suspect on probation and you want to search his house? Grab his probation officer because the 4th Amendment probably doesn't apply.
Want a blood or urine test to see if he is on dope? Same thing.
Worried he might either contact your victim or hang out with fellow miscreants? Probabtion means his first amendment association rights are gone.
This requirement likewise seems Constitutional because it has a relationship to the charged offense: the court doesn't want her giving birth to other babies who would stand a higher risk (based on her past conduct) of being mistreated.
On a separate note, I was trying to picture (without laughing too hard) a probationer calling his officer to ask, "She is really hot but on the pill. Can I have sex with her tonight?"
If I trust anyone's views on sex, it's a man named Laycock.
I agree entirely. However, the enslavement-as-punishment argument is hurt a bit by the fact that the Thirteenth Amendment comes close to expressly authorizing that. There's no parallel provision re no-sex-as-punishment, but I think your logic still stands.
Any sane judge would exercise commonsense discretion in the case she got raped.
If "having children" means "becoming pregnant and giving birth", then there's certainly a lot of room for arguments on constitutional, civil rights, or simple humanitarian grounds. Depending on, for example, the religious beliefs of the mother, a requirement to terminate a pregnancy or prevent one by the use of contraception could be a clear violation of the right of religious freedom. And while it may be reasonable to restrict contact to a person or a limited group of persons (such as fellow gang members stated above), it is (I would argue) unreasonable to impose blanket restrictions on a primary biological function.
However, if "having children" is defined as "raising and being responsible for children", that's a different story. If the woman gets pregnant and gives birth, that's fine. However, based on her previous criminal behavior towards her children, any new children would be taken from her custody and given up for adoption. Child Services routinely removes children from harmful environments and places them under the care of others. It's not a significant leap to extend that practice into a preventative one in cases where the parent has already been afforded due process and has been convicted of crimes directly related to the injury of her children.
Jeez guys, it's really not that hard not to get pregnant.
Sure, I can understand the sentiment. The problem is that the concept of the government telling people whether they can have kids or not is something we'd expect from China, not the United States.
To my way of thinking, getting to make your own decision about whether to have kids is an extremely basic freedom. Now, it's true, when unfit parents have kids they impose costs on all of us. But just because we've chosen to create a welfare state where we don't stand by and let kids starve or get abused or what-not, I don't think we get to use our own decision to create a welfare state as an excuse to start taking away people's freedom to procreate, with the excuse that "sorry, if you have that kid it will impose burdens on society."
Enslavement as punishment is both cruel and unusual. See, e.g. Weems v. US (1912).
Of course, there is a Federal issue since the 14A was written specifically to prevent states from carrying out C&U punishment. John Bingham (who ought to know what the 14A means, since he wrote it) was adament that States not be allowed to violate the 8A
Wearing a rubber (or chosing from the half-dozen other effective BC methods) is not unreasonable in these circumstances.
No one is going to force her to have an abortion, the restriction is on getting pregnant -- if she gets pregnant, she goes to jail (and presumably the child, when born, goes into foster care).
You're right, he needs his own radio show. "We're back with Doctor Laycock ...."
Additionally, Travis County is one of the most liberal parts of Texas--home of UT and all that means. Baird is also a former judge on the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals, so I suspect he has a good idea of what probationary terms would be upheld.
After reading this profile, I was actually impressed.
Given the fact that vasectomy's not terribly intrusive, medically, would it be unconstitutional, at this point, to offer vasectomy and probation as an alternative to a much longer prison sentence where the defendant's convictions are for repeated misconduct towards his own kids? Since a court can impose restrictions on a defendant's subsequent contacts with victims as a condition of parole/probation, can the court in effect keep defendant from churning himself out some more potential victims?
There is little to know evidence of babies being born addicted to crack. While a mother's crack use during pregnancy might lead to developmental problems, the jury's still out about whether those problems are directly caused by crack. The fact that smoking crack while pregnant is an instant ground for having one's child taken away generally keeps women from seeking prenatal care. Another contributing factor is that women who smoke crack don't always maintain balanced nutritional programs.
And for the record, I'm not arguing with your point, or saying that smoking crack while pregnant is a good thing. Rather, I only point out that loaded terms like "crack-addicted babies" have little, if any, basis in fact and no value other than as pure rhetoric
Not previewing leads to sheepishness.
This fails the vomit test. It's treating people like dogs, making them crawl. Either put her in prison, or don't. Forcing people to make hideous and demeaning choices through your complete power over their person is the act of a gang warlord, not a human or humane judge.
Well, again, if we were to offer her a choice between a prison term and sterilization, some might see that as doing her a favor compared to simply sending her to prison with no option, but it still leaves me very uncomfortable.
Even if she were sent to prison, the fact that she couldn't have babies in prison would merely be a function of the sort of visitation restrictions that apply to all prisoners, as opposed to a government determination that she simply shouldn't be allowed to have kids any more.
I think the court does a lot better to simply offer "no-kids" and let the defendant decide whether snipping, abstaining or wearing a rubber is the best method for him.
If she doesn't like it, there's always prison.
(BTW, I have one and do highly recommend it to those who may need such things.)
This is wrong. There is a real dispute about whether being born addicted to crack leads to long-term problems (over and above the other problems of having a mom like that). Some of the early horror stories about permanent and severe lifetime impairment were wild exaggerations. But everyone who works with these kids knows that crack babies go through severe withdrawal symptoms, which involve screaming and an extreme aversion to being touched.
What's the "hideous and demeaning" choice? "Instead of going to jail, don't have more kids for a while, 'cause you've just been convicted of not taking minimal care of the last one you had"?
Eh, I'm married, I work, my wife works, I've got no criminal convictions, let alone any for child abuse or neglect, and I decided to stop after one kid. Permanently.
Many other people have decided never to have any kids. Ever. Most of them that I know did not regard the decision as the single most momentous decision in their lives. None of them regarded it as a reason to vomit, or as comparable to shooting themselves.
In Ms. Salazar's case, maybe she should consider the single most momentous decision in her life to have been her decision, or series of decisions, to stand around and do nothing while Mr. Alvarado pounded on their 19 month old kid hard enough to break bones. THAT's vomit-worthy. It was certainly momentous for the child.
BTW, anyone know if they offered to reduce HIS sentence if he had a quick snippy-snippy?
13th Amendment: Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted...
Oren said: "Of course, there is a Federal issue since the 14A was written specifically to prevent states from carrying out C&U punishment. John Bingham (who ought to know what the 14A means, since he wrote it) was adament that States not be allowed to violate the 8A"
Notice he says he is talking about "guarantied privileges of citizens of the United States," i.e., he is referring to the privileges and immunities under Article IV which he incorporated. Congress attempted to pass a cruel and unusual punishment bill in 1868 but didn't have the authority under the 14th amendment to do it. Bingham said judges would be prevented from sentencing blacks to cruel punishment by the equal protection clause. The idea is whites would never enact cruel or unusual punishments for themselves and the 14th would make sure no one would be subjected to different degrees of punishments.
If we follow the idiotic logic of the lower courts (and bad supreme court justices), certain Constitutional rights are forefit when you are imprisoned. What does that mean? It means there SHOULDN'T BE A STANDARD AT ALL if that is really the case - the government should win EVERY TIME. The truth is: it isn't the case.
Following your stupid and idiotic logic, we could discriminate against minorities once they are in jail by using lessor standards such as the rationality standard: "reasonably related to legitimate penological interests." Who is to decide which fundamental rights are magically 'forefit' when you go to jail. NO, RESPECT the CONSTITUTION and USE THE RIGHT STANDARD!
The government must demonstrate that the action is Narrowly Tailored to a Compelling Governmental Interest to deprive a person of the Fundamental Parentage Right or the Fundamental Right to have Sex (Lawrence v. Texas). These idiot courts make a mockery of the Constitution. Instead of making the hard decision that it IS narrowly tailored to the compelling interest of protecting children from harm, they apply the wrong standard to make their jobs easier.
It's wonderful that a generation of lawyers, and now judges have been corrupted by "interpreting" CLEAR Strict Scrutiny Standards to be 'rational basis' when it suits them.
Imprisoning somebody is Narrowly Tailored to a Compelling Governmental Interest, as required by the fundamental right to inter-state travel. The compelling governmental interest in rehabilitation and deterrence, when combined with due process, satisfies this test, as imprisonment is narrowly tailored to those goals. Even the Death Penalty can be Narrowly Tailored to a Compelling Interest if the crime is such that it requires extreme deterrence.
However, the Constitution and various Fundamental Rights should not become toilet paper the second you are thrown in Jail. Any person who changes a Fundamental Right into a Rational Basis standard Deserves to lose those fundamental rights, whether it be a person on the Supreme Court, some State judge, or some law professor who thinks they know better than the learned men and women who gave them the right to express Garbage Content, absent a compelling interest.
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Alan Gunn:
The problem with this is that almost all crack babies are also alcohol babies and exposed to other drugs of abuse. No one doubts the children of crack addicts are fucked up the question is whether it was the crack that did it or the alcohol or something else.
While I think China went too far I certainly see no problem with creating tax penalties for having more than a certain number of children (not that I see any need for this now). In particular how could it be constitutional to penalize those who don't have children by giving a tax break to those who do while not acceptable to do the reverse? (if it makes you feel better call it a tax break for having less than a certain number of children).
Welcome to the US Justice System where 95%+ of cases are plead and maximum statutory penalties are stratospheric. We grant judges the power to do the greater (send the woman to jail for a long time) and so the lesser (giving her the option of avoiding it) is clearly included.
Is your problem with the greater power itself or with the (IMO, obvious) conclusion that the lesser follows from the greater?
if one is a convicted felon, and one's spouse is also convicted of the same (or even a different) felony, is there an automatic exception to a probation condition "Don't associate with known convicted felons" for one's felon spouse? Does it matter when, relative to crime/arrest/conviction/sentence, you got married?
The point is that without the option to make an offer contingent on sterilization the judge might assign a sentence of 5 years even though the maximum was 10. However, for the same crime the judge would see the sentence of "get sterilized and take probation or go to prison for 10 years" as a comparitively lighter sentence and likely assign that sentence instead of the sentence of "get sterilized or do 5 years."
In short the 'or else' the judge uses as a threat may be within the statutory allowances but will likely be beyond what the crime 'deserves' (even under that judge's personal sentencing inclinations). Thus in a certain sense the judge doesn't really have the power to assign the longer sentence because the judge's power to sentence is predicated on the idea that the judge is endeavoring to choose the appropriate sentence for that crime.
In other words the 'or else' isn't really what the judge thinks this crime deserves but a hammer to make the convict take the other option.
The point is that the judge is not a monarch. They are charged to use their discretion to impose the correct sentence not to offer whatever sentence they feel like giving within the statutorily allowed range.
For instance I think we would all agree that it would be inappropriate for a judge who gives light sentences in similar cases to throw the book at some female defendant because she looked like his ex-wife. Equally we would find it objectionable if the judge assigned sentences to defendants by rolling dice even though we would accept the same judge's deciscion to simply give the maximum sentence to all offenders. In the background the theory is that there is some 'correct' sentence for the particular crime/situation and the judge has the responsibility of trying to discern this sentence.
For example suppose I'm a young man who gets arrested purchasing heroin for my drug addicted fiance. Now if the only real choice the judge has is how many years to put me in prison for he might decide that I'm a good kid who made a mistake and give me 5 years of probation.
However, suppose the judge can put these kind of invasive requirements on his sentence. He might take a look at my life and decide for me that I would be much better off if I didn't marry my fiance. Then, 'for my own good' he would probably offer a sentence of 5 years of probation on the condition that I not marry my fiance or 10 years in prison. However, the judge only thinks this is a reasonable sentence because he has decided for me that it's not important for me to marry this girl.
If you disagree would you still agree if the condition was "get an abortion"? If not why not?
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