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A Buckley for Obama:

Christopher Buckley endorses Barack Obama (and prays that his father cannot spank him from beyond the grave).

I've read Obama's books, and they are first-rate. He is that rara avis, the politician who writes his own books. Imagine. He is also a lefty. I am not. I am a small-government conservative who clings tenaciously and old-fashionedly to the idea that one ought to have balanced budgets. On abortion, gay marriage, et al, I'm libertarian. I believe with my sage and epigrammatic friend P.J. O'Rourke that a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take it all away.

But having a first-class temperament and a first-class intellect, President Obama will (I pray, secularly) surely understand that traditional left-politics aren't going to get us out of this pit we've dug for ourselves. If he raises taxes and throws up tariff walls and opens the coffers of the DNC to bribe-money from the special interest groups against whom he has (somewhat disingenuously) railed during the campaign trail, then he will almost certainly reap a whirlwind that will make Katrina look like a balmy summer zephyr.

Obama has in him—I think, despite his sometimes airy-fairy "We are the people we have been waiting for" silly rhetoric—the potential to be a good, perhaps even great leader. He is, it seems clear enough, what the historical moment seems to be calling for.

So, I wish him all the best. We are all in this together. Necessity is the mother of bipartisanship. And so, for the first time in my life, I'll be pulling the Democratic lever in November. As the saying goes, God save the United States of America.

Plastic:

President Obama will (I pray, secularly) surely understand that traditional left-politics aren't going to get us out of this pit we've dug for ourselves.

If there was any evidence of this or I had some faith this was true I could vote for him as well, but such is not the case.
10.10.2008 6:52pm
Bad English:
"I've read Obama's books,"


Imagine the additional serial autobiographies he'll produce.
10.10.2008 6:56pm
davod (mail):
Buckley = Usefull idiot.

Did Obama really write his own books?
10.10.2008 6:58pm
gab:
I believe Buckley is totally wrong on the above count. It's going to take (has already taken) big government intervention into the US economy to get us through the morass. It will take nationalization of some businesses, as well as huge injections of funds into various markets.

Large deficits will be needed to stimulate the economy. This used to be the province of the left, but has been usurped, unfortunaely during the good times, by the right.

Think depression, and what the Fed and gov't should have done at that time, and apply those remedies now.
10.10.2008 7:01pm
PersonalResponsibility:
Wow! Talk about the triumph of 'hope' over experience...

Obama has NEVER demonstrated one ounce of behavior that what you are praying (secularly) for is remotely possible...

You may as well play Russian Roulette with a semi-auto.
10.10.2008 7:10pm
wm13:
Yeah, well, a lot of people in 1976 thought that a deeply moral man, who would never lie to us, and who was a reformist Southern governor, and of course a Democrat, was just what we needed to heal the traumas of Vietnam and Watergate and resolve America's racial problems too. Didn't work out that great.

For myself, I can't imagine putting Christopher Buckley's kind of faith in another human being. Just goes to show, as Chesterton said, that when people stop believing in God, they don't then believe in nothing, they believe in anything.
10.10.2008 7:11pm
Franklin Drackman:
Whats an Avis? Whats epigrammatical mean? What kind of Animal is a Zephyr, and can you fry them?
10.10.2008 7:12pm
DonP (mail):
It seems the apple has not only fallen far from the tree, it has actually rolled into an entirely different county.
10.10.2008 7:13pm
Kent Scheidegger (mail) (www):
"President Obama will (I pray, secularly) surely understand that traditional left-politics aren't going to get us out of this pit we've dug for ourselves."

That's not a prayer; it's a delusion.
10.10.2008 7:26pm
matt b (mail):
confusing. intellect to beat ideology? i have yet to see that out of obama.

but i must say that i chalk this endorsement up to the younger generations' obsession with identity politics. this time it's the profession of the written word.
10.10.2008 7:26pm
Thales (mail) (www):
"Did Obama really write his own books?"

Do you have any reason whatsoever to doubt that he did?

I have drifted from libertarian to liberal-with-libertarian-leanings over the years, and I have to say that Obama is the first Democrat I've found truly inspiring, as opposed to just marginally better than the ignoramus on the other side. I don't agree with him on every issue, but have contributed to his campaign monetarily and otherwise. I can understand all of Buckley's sentiments, and I think his cantankerous father would forgive him (and maybe even cross over).
10.10.2008 7:29pm
Just Another Pin Head (mail):
He must take after his mother's side, since he is whistling past the graveyard.
10.10.2008 7:33pm
richard cabeza:
Do you have any reason whatsoever to doubt that he did?

Besides the change in tone and nautical references in his second autobiography? No, none at all.
10.10.2008 7:39pm
Margaret Martin (mail) (www):
Give me a break. Chris Buckley, like David Brooks seems to be swayed by the fact that Obama appears to be an elite, with his radical professor friends, his Columbia education. This is fallout from Palin Derangement syndrome. Buckley's dad who skillfully skewered college radicals and soft leftist knew the difference between elite and elitism. And he could see beyond mere packaging to the actual ideas. Buckley is right, his dad must be spinning.
10.10.2008 7:41pm
commontheme (mail):
Why does Buckley hate America?

Does he associate with terrorists, like Barack HUSSEIN Obama does?

Fox news (and some VC readers, apparently) want to know!
10.10.2008 7:41pm
Federal Dog:
Buckley's a satirist. The middle two paragraphs are a tell.
10.10.2008 7:41pm
PersonFromPorlock:
PersonalResponsibility:

You may as well play Russian Roulette with a semi-auto.

Technically, it's then called "Polish Roulette."

Franklin Drackman:

What kind of Animal is a Zephyr, and can you fry them?

Almost anything can be fried, especially in the South. For the rest, there's barbecue.
10.10.2008 7:42pm
Huan (www):
10.10.2008 7:44pm
pluribus:
Buckley's sentiments closely resemble my own. I will be pulling the Democratic lever for the second, not the first time. The first was a long time ago, when I knew the Democrat (McGovern) had no chance of winning and I wanted to rebuke the Republican (Nixon). This time the Democrat has a chance of winning, but I still want to rebuke the Republican. This time, not so much the one Republican--but the party generally.
10.10.2008 7:44pm
pluribus:
Franklin Drackman:

Whats an Avis? Whats epigrammatical mean? What kind of Animal is a Zephyr, and can you fry them?

Can you afford a dictionary? Trust me, those words are all in the dictionary, and have been for a long, long time.
10.10.2008 7:46pm
John (mail):
"But having a first-class temperament and a first-class intellect, President Obama will (I pray, secularly) surely understand that traditional left-politics aren't going to get us out of this pit we've dug for ourselves."

People need to realize what a non-sequitur is. Just because you are smart does not mean you will do the right thing. Much less the Right thing. Lenin was smart. FDR was smart. I wouldn't want either helping us out here.
10.10.2008 7:48pm
sputnik (mail):
good for him, his father would have been proud.
Any honest conservative should leave the republican party which is becoming very fast the hate inciting desperate lying organisation playing with fire in the Weimar republic times...

we need De-Republicanization.
Like they did with communists in Eastern Europe...
10.10.2008 7:49pm
MadHatChemist:
Anyone who thinks that Obama will be anything but a hard left "true believer" is a fool. The left see this election as their best chance to elect a hard left socialist. They will do anything to win...and even more to keep control.
10.10.2008 7:56pm
Alan Gunn (mail):
While I'm not convinced by Mr. Buckley's argument, it certainly deserves more than ridicule. Choosing hope over John McCain, whose response to the financial crisis seems to be to socialize housing and denounce greed, is far from absurd. Sometimes it's comforting to know that ones vote will not actually determine the outcome of a national election.
10.10.2008 8:01pm
LN (mail):
The left see this election as their best chance to elect a hard left socialist.

You guys are delusional morons. Like virtually every other prominent Democrat, Obama is a cautious centrist who differs from Republicans by believing that the government should take some actions to benefit the middle class.

Remember the last Democrat President? The one whose big accomplishments were welfare reform, a free-trade agreement, and a government surplus? I bet you thought he was a scary socialist too.
10.10.2008 8:01pm
Hmmm (www):
Does libertarian on abortion mean for or against?
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Christopher Buckley has never laid eyes on his out-of-wedlock son - and has demanded that the boy's mother never contact him.

Little Jonathan, 8, whose mother, Irina Woelfle, was a Random House publicist in New York when she hooked up with the writer Buckley, regularly asks his mother why his father has rejected him.
10.10.2008 8:01pm
not affiliated:

Does libertarian on abortion mean for or against?

Libertarians for Life
10.10.2008 8:04pm
AntonK (mail):
Indeed, Buckley's argument is that of the typical Obama supporter: all HOPE without an iota of evidence or substance to back it up.

Kool-Aid table over here folks, drink up!
10.10.2008 8:04pm
24AheadDotCom (mail) (www):
Buckley's confusing having a "first-class intellect" with "appearing to have a first-class intellect because no one's ever challenged you." BHO is a serial liar who pushes policies that are incredibly flawed, but no one dares call him on it to his face.

If I ever got to challenge BHO on the issue I mainly cover, he'd probably take his "first-class intellect" and run crying off the stage after five minutes.

Examples: link, link.

P.S. So far I've seen at least Julian Sanchez and DavidBrooks pushing the same line as Buckley does.
10.10.2008 8:04pm
Angus:

did Obama write his books?
Wow, concluding that Ayers wrote Obama's books because....of a couple of cliched nautical references? The person who wrote that should have his Ph.D. revoked for excessive stupidity. Here's an example of his "analysis"
Not surprisingly, Ayers uses "ship" as a metaphor with some frequency. Early in the book he tells us that his mother is "the captain of her own ship," not a substantial one either but "a ragged thing with fatal leaks" launched into a "sea of carelessness."

Obama too finds himself "feeling like the first mate on a sinking ship." He also makes a metaphorical reference to "a tranquil sea." More intriguing is Obama's use of the word "ragged" as an adjective as in the highly poetic "ragged air" or "ragged laughter."

Both books use "storms" and "horizons" both as metaphor and as reality. Ayers writes poetically of an "unbounded horizon," and Obama writes of "boundless prairie storms" and poetic horizons-"violet horizon," "eastern horizon," "western horizon."
Is this guy writing for The Onion? My God, those are standard English references used millions of times I'd wager. They are hardly signs of advanced naval technical knowledge.
10.10.2008 8:11pm
richard cabeza:
Reading the comments on the original article's site, and the "satire columnist" moniker on his other article there, makes me wonder whether it is a joke. What does it say when having no good argument to vote for somebody, and a campaign that seems like a parody itself, is so accepted that we can't tell whether this is serious?
10.10.2008 8:13pm
Fury:
C. Buckley needs to be more on the mark with the facts when we writes:

As for Senator Obama: He has exhibited throughout a "first-class temperament," pace Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.'s famous comment about FDR.

No, he did not say that about FDR, but Theodore Roosevelt. From The Essential Homes:

"Holmes did not say Franklin Delano Roosevelt, 'A second class mind, but a first class temperament'. As many letters make clear, this was Holme's opinion of Theodore Roosevelt, though it is not clear he ever stated it so pithily."

- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., The Essential Holmes: Selections from the Letters, Speeches, Judicial Opinions and Other Writings of Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., ed. Richard A. Posner (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1997), xiv--xv.

h/t to Jonah Goldberg, NRO (n.b. read this book some years ago, totally forgot about Posner's statement)
10.10.2008 8:28pm
MarkField (mail):
Thomas Jefferson was very fond of nautical metaphors. I strongly suspect he wrote Obama's books.

Or maybe it was Herman Melville. Or Herman Wouk.
10.10.2008 8:36pm
p. rich (mail) (www):
I understand that W. F. Buckley's dog, several trees and a dumpster named Herb will also be voting for Obama. This is equally indicative of, well, whatever, is it not?
10.10.2008 8:38pm
Rod Blaine (mail):
Well, apparently a "libertarian on lynching" can be for it - or at least against the federal government legislating morality on the issue.
10.10.2008 8:44pm
sputnik (mail):
Conservatives have been dry-humping the corpse of Buckley almost as fervently as they've been groping the coffin of Ronnie Reagan . His son will get a deluge of hate mail and promptly be forgotten in the next round of hate orgies scheduled for next week.

No one gives a flying f* about founding conservative principles anymore. Not that founding liberal principles have fared much better. The only two ideologies still standing in American politics are "hang together" or "hang separately".

Oh and AntonK, you can choke on that kool aid yourself, being utterly brainwashed and what not, or just choke on the healthy dose of Vodka, idiot....
10.10.2008 9:01pm
David Larsomn (mail):
Obama is an empty suit with no achievements whatsoever to his credit beyond his incredible ability to advance his own personal interests by way of pathological lying. Oh and that poem about the apes and the figs....
10.10.2008 9:06pm
sputnik (mail):
empty is the cavity in your skull, David Larsomn, completely devoid of any grey matter, just like the same cavity in S. Palin's head...
10.10.2008 9:16pm
not an enforcement agent:
sputnik please read the comment guidelines under the comment form
10.10.2008 9:18pm
The River Temoc (mail):
Remember the last Democrat President? The one whose big accomplishments were welfare reform, a free-trade agreement, and a government surplus? I bet you thought he was a scary socialist too.

In fairness we don't know that Obama shares Bill Clinton's centrism on issues such as free trade or deficit reduction. There are things to like about both Obama and McCain -- and things to be worried about. I've concluded that Obama is the better bet. His level-headedness is a positive trait during times of crisis, and he showed good judgment in his vice presidential pick, unlike McCain's disastrous choice of Sarah Palin. I would be lying, however, if I said that I was a *certain* about the wisdom of electing Obama as I was about (either) Clinton.

Finally, I agree with Ilya's implication that the election is over. McCain was, IMO, on track to win until the financial crisis broke -- but the crisis was the financial equivalent of 9/11 for the Republicans.
10.10.2008 9:23pm
richard cabeza:
unlike McCain's disastrous choice of Sarah Palin

Stalin forbid a conservative be in the running.
10.10.2008 9:40pm
sbron:
At this point, I hope the Republican elites feel like real idiots for not nominating Romney.
10.10.2008 9:54pm
Brooks Lyman (mail):
If Buckley is serious, then his last sentence definitely applies: As the saying goes, God save the United States of America.

If Buckley is having us on, I think it also applies. At this point, we need all the help we can get....
10.10.2008 10:07pm
wm13:
Wow. I didn't know about Christopher Buckley's illegitimate son until now. If I had been his father, I would have disinherited Christopher and left it all to the illegitimate child. Also, that's what Jesus would have done, if he had had a will or any descendants or any property.
10.10.2008 10:16pm
Sam Draper (mail):
I think Jonah Goldberg has some good thoughts on this: Christopher Buckley &Obama. Buckley's reasons just do not make much sense. Likewise David Brooks' column, which has similar themes.

What is the real reason these guys are defecting? I can't quite put my finger on it, but it seems to be a combination of a reluctance to be affiliated with the populist politics of the great unwashed and a desire to fit in with their real peer group.

It is quite disconcerting as a conservative to see some of our leading lights abandon principle and be seduced by what seems like a desire to be loved by the left. I thought that only happened with our judges!
10.10.2008 10:25pm
Rod Blaine (mail):
> "I hope the Republican elites feel like real idiots for not nominating Romney."

Well, apparently the GOP's Christian Right vetoed him because he's a Mormon and they believe Mormons have weird beliefs.

Democrats/ liberals, of course, would never even think such bigotries.
10.10.2008 10:37pm
jim47:
I consider myself firmly committed to both conservative principles and a conservative temperament, and I find much to sympathize with in Buckley's essay. I won't go as far as Buckley and actually vote Democrat, but I won't be voting for McCain in a swing state on much the reasoning as Buckley's.
10.10.2008 10:39pm
just me (mail):
Remember the last Democrat President? The one whose big accomplishments were welfare reform, a free-trade agreement, and a government surplus? I bet you thought he was a scary socialist too.

Bill Clinton has always had a record as a center/right democrat, and while many a republican loathes him even as president he mostly governed as a center right democrat-even if some of him accused him of being a scary socialist.

Bill Clinton also had a GOP congress for the majority of his years in office.

Obama doesn't have anything close to a track record of governing from the center or right/center of his party. He doesn't have any real history for bucking his own party either-he strikes me as a left democrat who mostly plays along to get along if it helps his career. If he came into office with a GOP congress, I suspect we might see some centrism from him, but he will have a democratic congress and possibly a veto proof majority in one or both houses of congress-he is going to govern from the left.

But given the crap that is currently our economy, I doubt Obama will keep both houses for the four years of his presidency and I strongly suspect that whether Obama wins or by some miracle McCain does that the next president is going to be in office for only one term. I think the economy is likely to tank further-and while we may not see a depression, I think we are going to see a serious recession, and I am not convinced either man running for office in conjunction with a democratic controlled congress are going to do much to help and will likely do a lot to make it worse.
10.10.2008 10:43pm
Francis Marion (mail):
Spare the rod, spoil the child.
10.10.2008 11:09pm
Randy R. (mail):
madhatchemist: "Anyone who thinks that Obama will be anything but a hard left "true believer" is a fool. The left see this election as their best chance to elect a hard left socialist"

Let's see now -- Obama doesn't have any track record in the Senate, and we don't know anything that he stands for, and anything he says is a lie.

But on the other hand, we *know* that he is a hard leftist.

Anyone care to reconcile these two statements?
10.10.2008 11:17pm
Hoosier:
The Buckley with a tattoo will vote for a very liberal Democrat?

Color me shocked.
10.10.2008 11:18pm
Hoosier:
Randy R.:

"
Let's see now -- Obama doesn't have any track record in the Senate, and we don't know anything that he stands for, and anything he says is a lie.

But on the other hand, we *know* that he is a hard leftist.

Anyone care to reconcile these two statements?"

I wish I could. But your guys claim that mentioning his mentors and associates is dirty politics, and probably racist. So what's a right-wing nut-job illiterate like me supposed to do?
10.10.2008 11:20pm
MarkField (mail):

So what's a right-wing nut-job illiterate like me supposed to do?


Vote for Ron Paul, of course. Geez, do I have to spell it out for you in public like this?
10.10.2008 11:26pm
Hoosier:
MarkField: Again you tease me. I'd need to write him in. And I'm illiterate, as I just stated.
10.10.2008 11:28pm
just me (mail):
Actually Obama's voting record in the state senate is pretty hard left. I think his record there is fairly telling.

A lot of Obama's statements are pretty hard left, but when called on them, he will nuance them away and the media leaves him unchallenged.
10.10.2008 11:32pm
David Warner:
MarkField,

"Thomas Jefferson was very fond of nautical metaphors. I strongly suspect he wrote Obama's books."

I'm guessing Oscar Wilde. See classic Wilde story at bottom of page 21.

I'm actually with Buckley, and it can't be blamed on Palin hate, since I like her too and look forward to campaigning for her in 2012/16 as need be. Worst case, Obama is Harding (well, worst case is Ayers as Cheney with widespread military mutiny, but that's low probability). Best case the KGB propaganda ghost is finally exorcised and we can get on with the American experiment again.
10.10.2008 11:36pm
TCO:
I think there is a sort of "only Nixon could go to China" which in it's reverse might be "Clinton could NOT socialize healthcare" and has morphed into Bush and McCain trying to out-liberal the Democrats.

So we might actually do better under an Obama-Democrat dominated system, with R's taking the right and sniping at them, rather than the do anything liberal to maintain share attitude of Bush and R Congressional leaders
10.11.2008 12:02am
peter jackson (mail) (www):


Obama doesn't have anything close to a track record of governing from the center or right/center of his party.


Which wouldn't be so bad if he had a track record of governing, period. But he doesn't. It would also help if he had, like, a single original idea regarding governance or reform, but he doesn't have one of those either, much less an actual accomplishment aside from his education, but he doesn't have any of those either. Seriously, has anyone ever heard him articulate a single innovative idea? That's not a rhetorical question.

yours/
peter.
10.11.2008 12:23am
MarkField (mail):

I'm guessing Oscar Wilde. See classic Wilde story at bottom of page 21.


Wilde is good. He was gay. It's all coming together now.
10.11.2008 12:45am
Darleen Click (mail) (www):
The purty words did seduce him.

Too bad a hardleft, united Democrat government will radically change government until close to the end of the century.
10.11.2008 1:21am
Vinegar Hill:
As I wrote in another blog (I hadn't read P/R's similar use of Dr. Johnson's mot @ 6:10, honest.)

In the spirit of Joe Six Pack (&for that matter Chris who steals from Krauthammer without credit; &yes I know Holmes said that FDR had a second-class intellect), may I plagiarize from Dr. Johnson here? Chris B is exhibiting a first-class case of hope over experience.

Wonder how he'll feel with the appointees in an Obama Administration? Hint: Not all of them will have a first class intellect or a first class temperament.

And strangely, Chris B doesn't even have the grace to note, as does Krauthammer that:

"Obama has shown that he is a man of limited experience, questionable convictions, deeply troubling associations (Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers, Tony Rezko) and an alarming lack of self- definition - do you really know who he is and what he believes?"

BTW, Chris B did a wonderful send up of Joe Biden in his (Chris's) most recent book. Don't think that Chris thinks that Joe Six Pack is first-class in anything except in logorrhea. Wonder how he'll feel pulling the lever for old Joe.

For goodness sakes what's with Libertarians like Buckley fils or Brooks or Conservatives like Will or Noonan, as well as with some independents/centrists/beyondists? Can't they grasp that a quantum leap in government power by those who cry havoc, even criers with a first rate temperament &intellect, means a quantum leap in government power? Except Military power, I suppose.
10.11.2008 1:21am
Perseus (mail):
I am a small-government conservative who clings tenaciously and old-fashionedly to the idea that one ought to have balanced budgets. On abortion, gay marriage, et al, I'm libertarian. I believe with my sage and epigrammatic friend P.J. O'Rourke that a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take it all away.

I find it odd and troubling that Christopher Buckley has virtually nothing to say about his own foreign policy views or those of Senator Obama's (other than mentioning that having an Ivy League pedigree doesn't guarantee success in foreign policy). Does he really think that there's no substantial difference between how Senator McCain and Senator Obama will conduct foreign policy?
10.11.2008 1:50am
PC:
A ten trillion dollar debt and an executive that is nationalizing the financial industry and people are worried about the democrats? Really?
10.11.2008 1:54am
David Warner:
Vinegar Hill,

"Except Military power, I suppose."

And 99% of the guns. That's the fall-back. Imagine for a moment you were a lefty. And you think you're scared.
10.11.2008 2:07am
Psalm91 (mail):
What do you mean when you use the term "hard left" or "lefty"? Is there commonly understood definition? Is it just a Prager-speak pejorative term for something you don't like, or is there some foundation for it?
10.11.2008 2:24am
David Warner:
Psalm91,

If I had to, I'd say someone who values equality over liberty, but the whole bipolar thing is often little more than gussied-up tribalism. In that case, someone on your team, and not Vinegar Hill's.
10.11.2008 4:08am
EIDE_Interface (mail):
Well another useful idiot of the "right-wing". Well I'm under no illusions about what Obama will do, my only hope is that the GOP+Blue Dogs will keep him in check along with American public opinion. Left wingers are deluding themselves if they think that this election win is a mandate for vast government expansion and roll back of capitalism.
10.11.2008 4:59am
Fury:
Regarding my earlier post, Goldberg has an e-mailer that disputes Posner's assertion concerning FDR, so will order this book ILL and read. Interesting...
10.11.2008 7:10am
Ryan Waxx (mail):

But having a first-class temperament and a first-class intellect, President Obama will (I pray, secularly) surely understand that traditional left-politics aren't going to get us out of this pit we've dug for ourselves.


Another victim lost to the "I'm going to paint my hopes and dreams on the man, not because of any actual, you know... evidence but because he's given so little information about himself that I can dream up what I want him to do." mindset.

How sad.
10.11.2008 8:34am
davod (mail):
"A ten trillion dollar debt and an executive that is nationalizing the financial industry and people are worried about the democrats? Really?"

Paulson is a Democrat, one of Bush's attempts to placate the Dems. No wonder his every word speak to government control.
10.11.2008 8:37am
Ryan Waxx (mail):

Necessity is the mother of bipartisanship.


Um, what bipartisanship? You're voting in a one-party government. Maybe even a filibuster-proof one. During a crisis. If you have a surer recipe for the OPPOSITE of bipartisanship, I wish you would share it with us.
10.11.2008 8:40am
Ryan Waxx (mail):

A ten trillion dollar debt and an executive that is nationalizing the financial industry and people are worried about the democrats? Really?


I can see why you want to pretend that the president is the only person behind this. But it does make people back here in reality wonder what all the hooplah was about in getting a bill passed through the democrat-controlled congress, if GWB was doing this all by his lonesome.

Secondly, nationalizing large parts of the economy is a democrat strategy, and always has been...

Question: Are you seriously contenting that Nancy Peloci and/or Harry Ried are upset at the idea of government control of the financial sector?

... and if you recall, GWB portrayed himself as a "compassionate conservative" during his initial election campaign, and has governed as one since. A compassionate conservative is a democrat on social issues and a conservative on national policy. So its no surprise that Pelosi and GWB are getting along like thieves on this issue... the only true points of disagreement appear to be who gets to loot what, and who gets the blame.
10.11.2008 8:52am
just me (mail):
Um, what bipartisanship? You're voting in a one-party government. Maybe even a filibuster-proof one.

And this is what scares me about Obama winning this election.

It is unlikely the democratic congress will have to even try to be bipartisan, they can tell the GOP to go suck eggs in a corner and pass all the crap they want to.

Keeping in mind that Pelosi scheduled a bipartisan meeting to deal with the financial crisis and forgot to invite the republicans-I am pretty sure we will see a lot of this after obama wins.

They may play at bipartisanship here and there, but they likely aren't going to even have to try.

I think the GOP is going to suffer a blood bath come November, at least in the house and it isn't looking so good in the senate. If the democrats don't end up with 60 votes they will come close enough that it isn't going to matter much.
10.11.2008 8:52am
Ryan Waxx (mail):
And even that is assuming they don't just take the nuclear option. With a crisis to blame it on and a historic opportunity to get ALL the goodies they want... do you seriously think they'd tolerate interference?
10.11.2008 9:27am
Angus:

Chris B is exhibiting a first-class case of hope over experience.
Not really the choice as he (or I) see it. Here's the choice, and I think CB and I agree on it.

McCain: You know 100% what you are going to get, and it's bloody horrible.

Obama: You're not quite sure what you are going to get, but there's hope that it will be better than bloody horrible.
10.11.2008 10:13am
PersonFromPorlock:
Angus:

McCain: You know 100% what you are going to get, and it's bloody horrible.

Obama: You're not quite sure what you are going to get, but there's hope that it will be better than bloody horrible.




Yes, but McCain's "bloody horrible" will be unpopular, whereas Obama's "bloody horrible," should it eventuate, will have the uncritical support of the Congress, the MSM and some fair-sized chunk of the electorate; and the hope "that it will be better than bloody horrible" entails a risk that it won't.
10.11.2008 10:29am
Seamus (mail):
I believe with my sage and epigrammatic friend P.J. O'Rourke that a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take it all away.

Damn! I never realized that when Barry Goldwater said that, he was plagiarizing from P.J. O'Rourke.
10.11.2008 10:42am
Jon Rowe (mail) (www):

Wow. I didn't know about Christopher Buckley's illegitimate son until now. If I had been his father, I would have disinherited Christopher and left it all to the illegitimate child. Also, that's what Jesus would have done, if he had had a will or any descendants or any property.


Did you read on and see WHAT WFB ACTUALLY DID?
10.11.2008 10:53am
Jerry F:
"But having a first-class temperament and a first-class intellect, President Obama will (I pray, secularly) surely understand that traditional left-politics aren't going to get us out of this pit we've dug for ourselves."

What a horribly (and dangerously) naive statement. I also cannot understand how or why intelligent people can be dogmatic Leftists, but the fact of the matter is that lots of intelligent people are dogmatic Leftists. To say that someone who has been an extreme Leftist throughout is career would cease to be so as President just because that person is smart is astonishing.
10.11.2008 1:44pm
David Warner:
"Paulson is a Democrat, one of Bush's attempts to placate the Dems. No wonder his every word speak to government control."

So does that statement depend on what the meaning of is is?
10.11.2008 2:56pm
David Warner:
"Secondly, nationalizing large parts of the economy is a democrat strategy, and always has been..."

Always is a long time.

Nationalization was a leftist strategy for large chunks of the previous two centuries. It was a rightist strategy in various guises for long before that. Liberals have never been big on it, and still aren't.

Perhaps more importantly, the Jacksonians with the guns aren't either.
10.11.2008 3:01pm
Kirk:
Jeez, Buckley is coming across as a contemptible idiot:
But having a first-class temperament and a first-class intellect, President Obama will (I pray, secularly) surely understand that traditional left-politics aren't going to get us out of this pit we've dug for ourselves.
And what in all of Obama's meager officeholding history give you the slightest hope of that?
If he raises taxes and throws up tariff walls and opens the coffers of the DNC to bribe-money from the special interest groups against whom he has (somewhat disingenuously) railed during the campaign trail, then he will almost certainly reap a whirlwind that will make Katrina look like a balmy summer zephyr
No, it's we, all of us, who will reap that whirlwind, you pathetic fool.

pluribus,

Why to you hate us? ("Us" being "Americans in general", not "Republicans", since I'm definitely not one of the latter.)

Alan Gunn,

The fact that McCain's response is bad has absolutely no bearing on the question of whether Obama's will be worse.

sbron,

Aren't you confusing the parties? I see no evidence that the "elites" manipulated the Republican nomination process, but if you've got some by all means bring it out here.
10.11.2008 5:00pm
Waldensian (mail):

Well, apparently the GOP's Christian Right vetoed him because he's a Mormon and they believe Mormons have weird beliefs.

Democrats/ liberals, of course, would never even think such bigotries.

Are you saying that I am a bigot if I think that Mormons have weird beliefs? Why is that bigotry? Mormon beliefs ARE weird. In fact they are incredibly inane.

Although, objectively, I must concede they are no stranger than the beliefs of the Christian Right, or any other group of theists.
10.11.2008 5:07pm
pluribus:
davod:

Did Obama really write his own books?

He sure as hell didn't write McCain's books. (Of course, McCain did write those either. Mark Salter did.)
10.11.2008 7:56pm
Mark Bahner (www):

And so, for the first time in my life, I'll be pulling the Democratic lever in November.


I don't understand the logic (or lack thereof). He claims to be a libertarian. Why not vote Libertarian?

Or does he want to be sure to be on record as welcoming his new insect overlords? (Just a Simpsons joke, Democratic overlords! I'm really psyched, too!)
10.12.2008 12:36am
David Warner:
Mark Bahner,

After 8 years of Bush/Cheney, a lot of people are convinced that Obama is the more libertarian choice...

Shoot me if you like, but that's the vibe I'm getting, especially from those under 30. If the big O lets them down, then you've got a new base. After the R convention of the dead, its clear they need one.
10.12.2008 1:55am
Mark Bahner (www):
<blockquote>
After 8 years of Bush/Cheney, a lot of people are convinced that Obama is the more libertarian choice...
</blockquote>

More libertarian than whom??? There's not a libertarian bone in Barack Obama's (or John McCain's) body. In contrast, Bob Barr was nominated by the Libertarian Party.

I do not understand people who claim to be libertarians, but vote for people who aren't even remotely libertarians, when there are actual Libertarians running for office.

Your vote is not going to swing the election. So vote for the person who best represents your views. If you're really a libertarian, that person would be the Libertarian.
10.12.2008 2:55am
TokyoTom (mail):
Mark, I can freely vote Libertarian because I cast my ballot in a state that will certainly go to Obama. But for those libertarians who simply believe that Republicans need to be firmly spanked and can't stomach the thought of another four years of Republicans in the White House, I sympathize with those who feel they should vote for Obama.
10.12.2008 4:50am
rkroof (mail):
Bill Buckley was the most logical thinker I have ever encountered. It's unfortunate that his progeny (at least one) didn't inherit his gift.
10.12.2008 11:16am
Mark Rockwell (mail):

Buckley = Usefull idiot.

Did Obama really write his own books?



No. I think it was Lenin.

Or Stalin.

Wait. Who do we hate more? It was that guy.
10.12.2008 1:31pm
Mark Bahner (www):
"Mark, I can freely vote Libertarian because I cast my ballot in a state that will certainly go to Obama. But for those libertarians who simply believe that Republicans need to be firmly spanked and can't stomach the thought of another four years of Republicans in the White House, I sympathize with those who feel they should vote for Obama."

I will give $1000 to the first person who can show that his or her one vote in the Presidential election made the difference between Barack Obama or John McCain getting elected in the coming election.

Even the in the 2000 election, which is the closest election we've had in 100 years, and is closer than we'll likely have in another 100 years, the difference in Florida was 500 votes.

Your single vote will NEVER change the outcome of Presidential election, in the sense that one candidate will get chosen or not chosen because of your one vote.

So unless you're getting some sort of prize for betting on the winner, you should vote for the candidate who best represents your views, regardless of his or her chances of winning.
10.12.2008 9:32pm