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It also does suggest this will go to trial and the jury will have to decide whether registering a fake profile is a felony.
But just once I'd like to have something ruled on when it is briefed and argued, rather than pushed off for some future date.
This is one of those cases where I'd almost like to see both sides lose. But it's ultimately better for everybody that the government lose.
If using a false name to register at a website is a felony by law, then the law truly is an ass, along with some prosecutors and judges.
Not to mention that most of the commenters here would be felons.
The CFAA truly is an ass. The wording is far too overbroad.
Also, I don't see how this ruling actually does anything practical. Excluding the 'world would be better off without her' messages would be extreme overreach, and that evidence plus the fact that there won't be any testimony from the victim (and the lawyers circumlocute around her status throughout the trial) will be enough for any jurors with two brain cells to rub together to figure out. [And, of course, admonitions from the judge not to reach any such conclusions will only make things worse.]
IANAL, but I presume that instructions from bench are limited to the possible. At least for myself, I don't think I could do otherwise but to conclude that the victim snuffed it.
If a simple "the world would be better off without you," delivered via the internet, can constitute "psychological terrorism" . . . we may as well all lock ourselves up.
The only potential justification for the government's move can be tactical -- their case is weak, so they are going to gamble they can hoodwink a jury. That think kind of behaviour is ethical speaks to the problems of the jury system.
(Maybe we need a political historian for that.)
What do you mean? MySpace is the victim of these specific crimes right?
Or are you alleging that Lori broke into the teenager's computer?
Should read:
MySpace is the victim of these specific alleged crimes right?
Probably by statute. The defendant doesn't have a constitutional right to trial by judge.
The whole pattern of statements over months was psychological terrorism. No individual statement can be considered that alone without the context of the rest of the statements.
Fortunately even after a trial by jury, that is an issue that judges can and should decide.
Indeed. But just because the right is not explicitly mentioned doesn't mean that it should be taken away.
In any case, I think a more interesting question for the experts here is the following: does the government have to justify to the court its preference for trial by jury, or is it enough that they ask, just like the defendant?
I believe at common law, the defendant was required to have a jury trial; he could not have had a bench trial even if he wanted one. Thus, there was no issue of what to do if the defendant wanted a bench trial but the Government didn't. As far as I know, as long as the defendant has had the option of electing a bench trial in federal court in this country, the Government has had veto power.
In many state courts the defendant in a criminal trial can waive a jury and it results in a bench trial. In Federal Courts, the defendant must waive AND both the prosecution and the court itself must agree. I don't believe the prosecution has to justify or ask. They pretty much have veto power :)
More: For what?
Wife: He's dangerous!
Roper: For all we know he's a spy!
Daughter: Father, that man's bad!
More: There's no law against that!
Roper: There is, God's law!
More: Then let God arrest him!
Wife: While you talk he's gone!
More: And go he should, if he were the Devil himself, until he broke the law!
Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!
More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?
Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!
More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat?
This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down (and you're just the man to do it!), do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!
If the crime charged is giving a false name when registering for a myspace account, why is the content of the email(s) probative?
Who's "we", paleface?
It makes me sad for you Orin that you have to defend such a terrible waste of humanity for all the right reasons.
To the contrary, that's the highest calling of an advocate.
Since evidence of Megan's suicide is excluded, the emails are the evidence which by which they hope to convince a jury that defendant's As I understand it, that's the statute under which the crime is charged.
I am not a lawyer, so I could be reading the law wrong. However the section you quote could only really apply to sentencing. I.e. 18 USC 1030(c) only occurs when conditions in 18 USC 1030(a) and 18 USC 1030(b) are met. It seems more plausible that the controversy is over whether 18 USC 1030(a)(5)(B)(iii) is at issue. I.e. whether the access to the computer caused physical injury to someone.
It seems reasonable to conclude that, for the purposes of this law, that Megan caused physical injury to herself, and that this doesn't apply here. The reason why I say this is that the other elements deal specifically with financial and other tangible harms, and so I am not sure that hurt feelings necessarily count. In essence, the difference is that Megan decided to cause herself physical injury, while the law seems to my mind to be written to only apply to cases where the violator causes injury by something more than mere persuasion.
It was Singer v. U.S. (308 U.S. 24) when heard by the Court.
On another topic: why is this case being tried in California, when all the persons concerned lived in Missouri? Or does it have something to do with where FaceBook is based?
It was Singer v. U.S. (308 U.S. 24) when heard by the Court.
Yes, my memory failed me after 43 years. But now my turn to correct you. It's volume 380 of the U.S. Reports, not 308.
The Drew case and the Gloucester pregnancy pact case, in a rather interesting conflation. Thence it is clear that Orin, et al., have been pursuing the wrong defense here; they need only prove that Jesse McCartney strangled MM.